Re: Registry Cleaner

 

I don't give a rat's rear end whether you believe me or not.

 

I'm not trying to sell anything.

 

So, it's not worth my time and effort to post elaborate results of the tests

I ran -- which will simply lead to a long thread of worthless back and forth

caterwauling.

 

I can use that time far better in other useful pursuits such as managing my

stock portfolio, working on the car, writing a historical post or email or

doing something nice for my wife -- not necessarily in that order. <g>

 

I ran controlled tests on nine different machines with various

configurations -- using the Registry Cleaner in CCleaner.

 

Performance was improved on all of them -- fewer hangs and pauses, faster

loading of applications, faster executions of commands and faster startups

and shutdowns.

 

No Glitches -- Removing Something That Should Not Have Been Removed -- No

FUD.

 

I have no experience of using other Registry Cleaners -- so I can't speak to

them.

 

I do, carefully, sometimes manually remove or make changes to the Registry.

So, I'm not a barefoot empiricist.

 

Your Mileage May Vary...

 

So, Run Your Own Tests.

 

Bonne Chance!

 

DSH

 

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Re: Registry Cleaner

 

he is a sly one and

was just baiting you.

 

if he had such an open

mind, he could download

the program and test it

himself.

 

 

 

--

 

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><)))º>·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. ><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º>

 

 

..

 

 

"D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message

news:OW29SL1HIHA.1316@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>I don't give a rat's rear end whether you believe me or not.

>

> I'm not trying to sell anything.

>

> So, it's not worth my time and effort to post elaborate results of the tests

> I ran -- which will simply lead to a long thread of worthless back and forth

> caterwauling.

>

> I can use that time far better in other useful pursuits such as managing my

> stock portfolio, working on the car, writing a historical post or email or

> doing something nice for my wife -- not necessarily in that order. <g>

>

> I ran controlled tests on nine different machines with various

> configurations -- using the Registry Cleaner in CCleaner.

>

> Performance was improved on all of them -- fewer hangs and pauses, faster

> loading of applications, faster executions of commands and faster startups

> and shutdowns.

>

> No Glitches -- Removing Something That Should Not Have Been Removed -- No

> FUD.

>

> I have no experience of using other Registry Cleaners -- so I can't speak to

> them.

>

> I do, carefully, sometimes manually remove or make changes to the Registry.

> So, I'm not a barefoot empiricist.

>

> Your Mileage May Vary...

>

> So, Run Your Own Tests.

>

> Bonne Chance!

>

> DSH

>

> Lux et Veritas et Libertas

>

Re: Registry Cleaner

 

yeh, that's an excellent

one.

 

i remember chatting with

him on a couple of occassions

a few years ago - a humble

genuis; he is.

 

 

--

 

db ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º>¸.

><)))º>·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. ><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º>

 

 

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"HEMI-Powered" <none@none.en> wrote in message

news:Xns99DECAECE6330ReplyScoreID@140.99.99.130...

> D. Spencer Hines added these comments in the current discussion

> du jour ...

>

>> Twaddle...

>>

>> My experience proves otherwise.

>>

>> DSH

>

> I clean my Registry periodically with JV16 Powertools 100% only

> to get rid of unnessary clutter such as obsolete or invalid keys,

> leftover shortcuts and the like. Can't say I have ever seen a

> performance increase, though.

>

>> "John John" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message

>> news:%23KEtfzxHIHA.3916@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>

>>> That is an absurd claim, cleaning the registry does not

>>> improve performance.

>>>

>>> John

>>>

>>> D. Spencer Hines wrote:

>>>

>>>> Nope...

>>>>

>>>> Bollixed Thinking...

>>>>

>>>> I've run tests on several machines and CCleaner's Registry

>>>> Cleaner has improved performance on nine of them -- as

>>>> compared to exactly identical machines without CCleaner.

>>>>

>>>> DSH

>>>>

>>>> "Bruce Chambers" <bchambers@cable0ne.n3t> wrote in message

>>>> news:ONYK4ZxHIHA.5544@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>>

>>>>>D. Spencer Hines wrote:

>>>>

>>>>>>Nonsense...

>>>>>>

>>>>>>CCleaner is safe as a Registry Cleaner....

>>>>>

>>>>> CCleaner's registry scanner seems relatively benign, as

>>>>> long as you

>>>>> step through each detected "issue" one at a time, to

>>>>> determine if it really is an "issue" or not, and then

>>>>> decide whether or not to let the application "fix" it. In

>>>>> my testing, though, most of the reported "issues" won't be

>>>>> issues, at all. I tried the latest version on a brand-new

>>>>> OS installation with no additional applications installed,

>>>>> and certainly none installed and then uninstalled, and

>>>>> CCleaner still managed to "find" over a hundred allegedly

>>>>> orphaned registry entries and dozens of purportedly

>>>>> "suspicious" files.

>>>>>

>>>>> CCleaner's sole strength, and the only reason I use it,

>>>>> lies in its

>>>>> usefulness for cleaning up unused temporary files from the

>>>>> hard drive; as a registry "cleaner," it's not significantly

>>>>> better or worse than any other snake oil product of the

>>>>> same type.

>>>>>

>>>>>>And improves performance.

>>>>>>

>>>>>Utterly untrue. *NO* registry "cleaner" has ever been

>>>>>proven to improve performance; the actions they perform are

>>>>>not the sort that could have any affect on a computer's

>>>>>performance.

>>

>>

>>

>

>

>

> --

> HP, aka Jerry

Re: Registry Cleaner

 

Right!

 

He just wants someone else to do his work for him.

 

DSH

 

" db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. ." <databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com>

wrote in message news:%23duS%

 

23q7HIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> he is a sly one and

> was just baiting you.

>

> if he had such an open

> mind, he could download

> the program and test it

> himself.

> --

>

> db ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º>¸.

>><)))º>·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. ><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º>

>

> "D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message

> news:OW29SL1HIHA.1316@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>I don't give a rat's rear end whether you believe me or not.

>>

>> I'm not trying to sell anything.

>>

>> So, it's not worth my time and effort to post elaborate results of the

>> tests

>> I ran -- which will simply lead to a long thread of worthless back and

>> forth

>> caterwauling.

>>

>> I can use that time far better in other useful pursuits such as managing

>> my

>> stock portfolio, working on the car, writing a historical post or email

>> or

>> doing something nice for my wife -- not necessarily in that order. <g>

>>

>> I ran controlled tests on nine different machines with various

>> configurations -- using the Registry Cleaner in CCleaner.

>>

>> Performance was improved on all of them -- fewer hangs and pauses, faster

>> loading of applications, faster executions of commands and faster

>> startups

>> and shutdowns.

>>

>> No Glitches -- Removing Something That Should Not Have Been Removed -- No

>> FUD.

>>

>> I have no experience of using other Registry Cleaners -- so I can't speak

>> to

>> them.

>>

>> I do, carefully, sometimes manually remove or make changes to the

>> Registry. So, I'm not a barefoot empiricist.

>>

>> Your Mileage May Vary...

>>

>> So, Run Your Own Tests.

>>

>> Bonne Chance!

>>

>> DSH

>>

>> Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Re: Registry Cleaner

 

No bait. You're the one who made the claim. I've used Ccleaner and have

only found the clearing of temp files to be beneficial. If you've done

more extensive testing, good for you. But bear in mind that is was YOU

who made the claim in the first place! And I still find it interesting

you're unwilling to back it up.

 

Belief and knowledge are two different things...

 

 

"D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message

news:ePC1jw7HIHA.5544@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> Right!

>

> He just wants someone else to do his work for him.

>

> DSH

>

> " db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. ."

> <databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:%23duS%

>

> 23q7HIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>

>> he is a sly one and

>> was just baiting you.

>>

>> if he had such an open

>> mind, he could download

>> the program and test it

>> himself.

>> --

>>

>> db ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º>¸.

>>><)))º>·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. ><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º>

>>

>> "D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message

>> news:OW29SL1HIHA.1316@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>

>>>I don't give a rat's rear end whether you believe me or not.

>>>

>>> I'm not trying to sell anything.

>>>

>>> So, it's not worth my time and effort to post elaborate results of

>>> the tests

>>> I ran -- which will simply lead to a long thread of worthless back

>>> and forth

>>> caterwauling.

>>>

>>> I can use that time far better in other useful pursuits such as

>>> managing my

>>> stock portfolio, working on the car, writing a historical post or

>>> email or

>>> doing something nice for my wife -- not necessarily in that order.

>>> <g>

>>>

>>> I ran controlled tests on nine different machines with various

>>> configurations -- using the Registry Cleaner in CCleaner.

>>>

>>> Performance was improved on all of them -- fewer hangs and pauses,

>>> faster

>>> loading of applications, faster executions of commands and faster

>>> startups

>>> and shutdowns.

>>>

>>> No Glitches -- Removing Something That Should Not Have Been

>>> Removed -- No

>>> FUD.

>>>

>>> I have no experience of using other Registry Cleaners -- so I can't

>>> speak to

>>> them.

>>>

>>> I do, carefully, sometimes manually remove or make changes to the

>>> Registry. So, I'm not a barefoot empiricist.

>>>

>>> Your Mileage May Vary...

>>>

>>> So, Run Your Own Tests.

>>>

>>> Bonne Chance!

>>>

>>> DSH

>>>

>>> Lux et Veritas et Libertas

>

>

Re: Registry Cleaner

 

Will you and db be so kind as to give us any logical explanation of HOW a

register cleaner can improve performance?

Don't say by getting rid of unneeded data. Give a LOGICAL explanation.

"D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message

news:ePC1jw7HIHA.5544@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> Right!

>

> He just wants someone else to do his work for him.

>

> DSH

>

> " db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. ." <databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com>

> wrote in message news:%23duS%

>

> 23q7HIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>

>> he is a sly one and

>> was just baiting you.

>>

>> if he had such an open

>> mind, he could download

>> the program and test it

>> himself.

>> --

>>

>> db ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º>¸.

>>><)))º>·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. ><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º>

>>

>> "D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message

>> news:OW29SL1HIHA.1316@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>

>>>I don't give a rat's rear end whether you believe me or not.

>>>

>>> I'm not trying to sell anything.

>>>

>>> So, it's not worth my time and effort to post elaborate results of the

>>> tests

>>> I ran -- which will simply lead to a long thread of worthless back and

>>> forth

>>> caterwauling.

>>>

>>> I can use that time far better in other useful pursuits such as managing

>>> my

>>> stock portfolio, working on the car, writing a historical post or email

>>> or

>>> doing something nice for my wife -- not necessarily in that order. <g>

>>>

>>> I ran controlled tests on nine different machines with various

>>> configurations -- using the Registry Cleaner in CCleaner.

>>>

>>> Performance was improved on all of them -- fewer hangs and pauses,

>>> faster

>>> loading of applications, faster executions of commands and faster

>>> startups

>>> and shutdowns.

>>>

>>> No Glitches -- Removing Something That Should Not Have Been Removed --

>>> No

>>> FUD.

>>>

>>> I have no experience of using other Registry Cleaners -- so I can't

>>> speak to

>>> them.

>>>

>>> I do, carefully, sometimes manually remove or make changes to the

>>> Registry. So, I'm not a barefoot empiricist.

>>>

>>> Your Mileage May Vary...

>>>

>>> So, Run Your Own Tests.

>>>

>>> Bonne Chance!

>>>

>>> DSH

>>>

>>> Lux et Veritas et Libertas

>

>

Re: Registry Cleaner

 

oh..., back off.

 

it was he who was

providing a suggestion

and it wasn't provided

to you.

 

ps: you were baiting him

because you wanted to make

this discussion into an argument.

 

--

 

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><)))º>·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. ><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º>

 

 

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"Daave" <dcwashNOSPAM@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> wrote in message

news:eNBdiN8HIHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> No bait. You're the one who made the claim. I've used Ccleaner and have only

> found the clearing of temp files to be beneficial. If you've done more

> extensive testing, good for you. But bear in mind that is was YOU who made the

> claim in the first place! And I still find it interesting you're unwilling to

> back it up.

>

> Belief and knowledge are two different things...

>

>

> "D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message

> news:ePC1jw7HIHA.5544@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> Right!

>>

>> He just wants someone else to do his work for him.

>>

>> DSH

>>

>> " db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. ." <databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com> wrote

>> in message news:%23duS%

>>

>> 23q7HIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>

>>> he is a sly one and

>>> was just baiting you.

>>>

>>> if he had such an open

>>> mind, he could download

>>> the program and test it

>>> himself.

>>> --

>>>

>>> db ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º>¸.

>>>><)))º>·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. ><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º>

>>>

>>> "D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message

>>> news:OW29SL1HIHA.1316@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>

>>>>I don't give a rat's rear end whether you believe me or not.

>>>>

>>>> I'm not trying to sell anything.

>>>>

>>>> So, it's not worth my time and effort to post elaborate results of the

>>>> tests

>>>> I ran -- which will simply lead to a long thread of worthless back and

>>>> forth

>>>> caterwauling.

>>>>

>>>> I can use that time far better in other useful pursuits such as managing my

>>>> stock portfolio, working on the car, writing a historical post or email or

>>>> doing something nice for my wife -- not necessarily in that order. <g>

>>>>

>>>> I ran controlled tests on nine different machines with various

>>>> configurations -- using the Registry Cleaner in CCleaner.

>>>>

>>>> Performance was improved on all of them -- fewer hangs and pauses, faster

>>>> loading of applications, faster executions of commands and faster startups

>>>> and shutdowns.

>>>>

>>>> No Glitches -- Removing Something That Should Not Have Been Removed -- No

>>>> FUD.

>>>>

>>>> I have no experience of using other Registry Cleaners -- so I can't speak

>>>> to

>>>> them.

>>>>

>>>> I do, carefully, sometimes manually remove or make changes to the Registry.

>>>> So, I'm not a barefoot empiricist.

>>>>

>>>> Your Mileage May Vary...

>>>>

>>>> So, Run Your Own Tests.

>>>>

>>>> Bonne Chance!

>>>>

>>>> DSH

>>>>

>>>> Lux et Veritas et Libertas

>>

>>

>

Re: Registry Cleaner

 

absolutely....

 

in fact you can here

it directly from the

experts here:

 

http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/article/registry_cleaner_why.htm

 

the teams of code writers

and testers concur on

the above; according to

the chat i had with

a microsoft technician

several months ago.

 

--

 

db ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º>¸.

><)))º>·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. ><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º>

 

 

..

 

 

"Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message

news:2lHXi.41811$eY.7040@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net...

> Will you and db be so kind as to give us any logical explanation of HOW a

> register cleaner can improve performance?

> Don't say by getting rid of unneeded data. Give a LOGICAL explanation.

> "D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message

> news:ePC1jw7HIHA.5544@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> Right!

>>

>> He just wants someone else to do his work for him.

>>

>> DSH

>>

>> " db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. ." <databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com> wrote

>> in message news:%23duS%

>>

>> 23q7HIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>

>>> he is a sly one and

>>> was just baiting you.

>>>

>>> if he had such an open

>>> mind, he could download

>>> the program and test it

>>> himself.

>>> --

>>>

>>> db ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º>¸.

>>>><)))º>·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. ><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º>

>>>

>>> "D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message

>>> news:OW29SL1HIHA.1316@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>

>>>>I don't give a rat's rear end whether you believe me or not.

>>>>

>>>> I'm not trying to sell anything.

>>>>

>>>> So, it's not worth my time and effort to post elaborate results of the

>>>> tests

>>>> I ran -- which will simply lead to a long thread of worthless back and

>>>> forth

>>>> caterwauling.

>>>>

>>>> I can use that time far better in other useful pursuits such as managing my

>>>> stock portfolio, working on the car, writing a historical post or email or

>>>> doing something nice for my wife -- not necessarily in that order. <g>

>>>>

>>>> I ran controlled tests on nine different machines with various

>>>> configurations -- using the Registry Cleaner in CCleaner.

>>>>

>>>> Performance was improved on all of them -- fewer hangs and pauses, faster

>>>> loading of applications, faster executions of commands and faster startups

>>>> and shutdowns.

>>>>

>>>> No Glitches -- Removing Something That Should Not Have Been Removed -- No

>>>> FUD.

>>>>

>>>> I have no experience of using other Registry Cleaners -- so I can't speak

>>>> to

>>>> them.

>>>>

>>>> I do, carefully, sometimes manually remove or make changes to the Registry.

>>>> So, I'm not a barefoot empiricist.

>>>>

>>>> Your Mileage May Vary...

>>>>

>>>> So, Run Your Own Tests.

>>>>

>>>> Bonne Chance!

>>>>

>>>> DSH

>>>>

>>>> Lux et Veritas et Libertas

>>

>>

>

>

Re: Registry Cleaner

 

Unknown wrote:

> Will you and db be so kind as to give us any logical explanation of HOW a

> register cleaner can improve performance?

> Don't say by getting rid of unneeded data. Give a LOGICAL explanation.

 

I can think of one scenario where the use of a registry cleaner might improve

performance, but it would require the use of two additional programs. Here's the

four-step process:

 

1. use registry cleaner

2. defragment volume that contains registry

3. use registry compacter (eg, NTREGOPT)

4. reboot system

 

Using this process, NTREGOPT will create a new, smaller registry that will not

be fragmented. Defragmenting the registry in this fashion WILL have a positive

impact on performance, particularly during the boot process when large chunks of

the registry are manipulated.

 

Now, one can argue whether the performance boost was due to NTREGOPT or the

registry cleaner, but that's for others to debate. For what it's worth, I use

NTREGOPT every couple months, but I never use a registry cleaner. For many

reasons, I perform registry cleaning tasks manually...

Re: Registry Cleaner

 

You in no way accomplished my request. Give me a logical explanation not a

sales pitch. If you have games installed on your computer would you speed up

your computer if you deleted them? Get realistic.

" db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. ." <databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com>

wrote in message news:emHfNp8HIHA.1316@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> absolutely....

>

> in fact you can here

> it directly from the

> experts here:

>

> http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/article/registry_cleaner_why.htm

>

> the teams of code writers

> and testers concur on

> the above; according to

> the chat i had with

> a microsoft technician

> several months ago.

>

> --

>

> db ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º>¸.

>><)))º>·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. ><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º>

>

>

> .

>

>

> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message

> news:2lHXi.41811$eY.7040@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net...

>> Will you and db be so kind as to give us any logical explanation of HOW a

>> register cleaner can improve performance?

>> Don't say by getting rid of unneeded data. Give a LOGICAL explanation.

>> "D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message

>> news:ePC1jw7HIHA.5544@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>> Right!

>>>

>>> He just wants someone else to do his work for him.

>>>

>>> DSH

>>>

>>> " db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. ." <databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com>

>>> wrote in message news:%23duS%

>>>

>>> 23q7HIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>>

>>>> he is a sly one and

>>>> was just baiting you.

>>>>

>>>> if he had such an open

>>>> mind, he could download

>>>> the program and test it

>>>> himself.

>>>> --

>>>>

>>>> db ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º>¸.

>>>>><)))º>·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. ><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º>

>>>>

>>>> "D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:OW29SL1HIHA.1316@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>

>>>>>I don't give a rat's rear end whether you believe me or not.

>>>>>

>>>>> I'm not trying to sell anything.

>>>>>

>>>>> So, it's not worth my time and effort to post elaborate results of the

>>>>> tests

>>>>> I ran -- which will simply lead to a long thread of worthless back and

>>>>> forth

>>>>> caterwauling.

>>>>>

>>>>> I can use that time far better in other useful pursuits such as

>>>>> managing my

>>>>> stock portfolio, working on the car, writing a historical post or

>>>>> email or

>>>>> doing something nice for my wife -- not necessarily in that order.

>>>>> <g>

>>>>>

>>>>> I ran controlled tests on nine different machines with various

>>>>> configurations -- using the Registry Cleaner in CCleaner.

>>>>>

>>>>> Performance was improved on all of them -- fewer hangs and pauses,

>>>>> faster

>>>>> loading of applications, faster executions of commands and faster

>>>>> startups

>>>>> and shutdowns.

>>>>>

>>>>> No Glitches -- Removing Something That Should Not Have Been Removed --

>>>>> No

>>>>> FUD.

>>>>>

>>>>> I have no experience of using other Registry Cleaners -- so I can't

>>>>> speak to

>>>>> them.

>>>>>

>>>>> I do, carefully, sometimes manually remove or make changes to the

>>>>> Registry. So, I'm not a barefoot empiricist.

>>>>>

>>>>> Your Mileage May Vary...

>>>>>

>>>>> So, Run Your Own Tests.

>>>>>

>>>>> Bonne Chance!

>>>>>

>>>>> DSH

>>>>>

>>>>> Lux et Veritas et Libertas

>>>

>>>

>>

>>

>

Re: Registry Cleaner

 

If it is so great why haven't they (Microsoft OneCare) included a

registry cleaner in their product? Maybe it's because registry cleaning

provides too great risks of damages while doing nothing to improve

performance...

 

http://forums.microsoft.com/WindowsOneCare/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=1973886&SiteID=2

http://forums.microsoft.com/WindowsOneCare/Search/Search.aspx?words=registry+cleaner&localechoice=9&SiteID=2&searchscope=allforums

 

John

 

 

 

db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. . wrote:

> absolutely....

>

> in fact you can here

> it directly from the

> experts here:

>

> http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/article/registry_cleaner_why.htm

>

> the teams of code writers

> and testers concur on

> the above; according to

> the chat i had with

> a microsoft technician

> several months ago.

>

Re: Registry Cleaner

 

well,

it makes no difference

to me or microsoft or

the world.

 

unfortunate for you that

no one here owes you

any explanations about

anything.

 

--

 

db ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º>¸.

><)))º>·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. ><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º>

 

 

..

 

 

"Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message

news:nJIXi.2815$yV6.2025@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net...

> You in no way accomplished my request. Give me a logical explanation not a

> sales pitch. If you have games installed on your computer would you speed up

> your computer if you deleted them? Get realistic.

> " db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. ." <databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com> wrote

> in message news:emHfNp8HIHA.1316@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> absolutely....

>>

>> in fact you can here

>> it directly from the

>> experts here:

>>

>> http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/article/registry_cleaner_why.htm

>>

>> the teams of code writers

>> and testers concur on

>> the above; according to

>> the chat i had with

>> a microsoft technician

>> several months ago.

>>

>> --

>>

>> db ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º>¸.

>>><)))º>·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. ><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º>

>>

>>

>> .

>>

>>

>> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message

>> news:2lHXi.41811$eY.7040@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net...

>>> Will you and db be so kind as to give us any logical explanation of HOW a

>>> register cleaner can improve performance?

>>> Don't say by getting rid of unneeded data. Give a LOGICAL explanation.

>>> "D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message

>>> news:ePC1jw7HIHA.5544@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>> Right!

>>>>

>>>> He just wants someone else to do his work for him.

>>>>

>>>> DSH

>>>>

>>>> " db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. ." <databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com>

>>>> wrote in message news:%23duS%

>>>>

>>>> 23q7HIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>>>

>>>>> he is a sly one and

>>>>> was just baiting you.

>>>>>

>>>>> if he had such an open

>>>>> mind, he could download

>>>>> the program and test it

>>>>> himself.

>>>>> --

>>>>>

>>>>> db ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º>¸.

>>>>>><)))º>·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. ><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º>

>>>>>

>>>>> "D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message

>>>>> news:OW29SL1HIHA.1316@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>>

>>>>>>I don't give a rat's rear end whether you believe me or not.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I'm not trying to sell anything.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> So, it's not worth my time and effort to post elaborate results of the

>>>>>> tests

>>>>>> I ran -- which will simply lead to a long thread of worthless back and

>>>>>> forth

>>>>>> caterwauling.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I can use that time far better in other useful pursuits such as managing

>>>>>> my

>>>>>> stock portfolio, working on the car, writing a historical post or email

>>>>>> or

>>>>>> doing something nice for my wife -- not necessarily in that order. <g>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I ran controlled tests on nine different machines with various

>>>>>> configurations -- using the Registry Cleaner in CCleaner.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Performance was improved on all of them -- fewer hangs and pauses, faster

>>>>>> loading of applications, faster executions of commands and faster

>>>>>> startups

>>>>>> and shutdowns.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> No Glitches -- Removing Something That Should Not Have Been Removed --

>>>>>> No

>>>>>> FUD.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I have no experience of using other Registry Cleaners -- so I can't speak

>>>>>> to

>>>>>> them.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I do, carefully, sometimes manually remove or make changes to the

>>>>>> Registry. So, I'm not a barefoot empiricist.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Your Mileage May Vary...

>>>>>>

>>>>>> So, Run Your Own Tests.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Bonne Chance!

>>>>>>

>>>>>> DSH

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Lux et Veritas et Libertas

>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>>

>>

>

>

Re: Registry Cleaner

 

Unfortunate part is that they are neither safe or effective.

Post facts not your emotions.

"D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message

news:uMuRtJzHIHA.5360@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> <G>

>

> <http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/article/registry_cleaner_why.htm>

>

> Yes, they are not-too-smart, narrow-minded technicians who have seen

> pogues misuse Registry Cleaners and want to proscribe them for ALL of us.

>

> Bruce Chambers seems to be one of the worst of them.

>

> I would certainly concur that an unguided Registry Cleaner in the hands of

> a

> Naive Newbie is a dangerous weapon indeed.

>

> But I've found the Registry Cleaner in CCleaner to be BOTH safe and

> effective.

>

> 'Nuff Said.

>

> DSH

>

> " db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. ." <databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com>

> wrote in message news:enzH4zyHIHA.4808@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> you are correct

>> about the performance

>> of the registry database

>> file and thousands would

>> agree as well as Microsoft.

>>

>> in fact, microsoft invented

>> the first registry cleaner because

>> maintaining the database was

>> as critical then as it is now.

>>

>> now microsoft certified technicians

>> not only redeveloped their registry

>> cleaner but wrote a whole page on

>> the subject:

>>

>> http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/article/registry_cleaner_why.htm

>>

>> isn't humorous how

>> some believe that they are

>> more knowledgeable

>> on windows than

>> microsoft is???

>>

>> don't spend too much

>> time debating the issue.

>> some of these guys are

>> habitual antagonist and

>> disruptive and enjoy

>> manipulation and a reason

>> to use name calling.

>>

>> the facts are clear and

>> microsoft facts relating

>> to its registry is the final

>> word regarding this issue.

>>

>> (you know that they are

>> likely hypocrites because

>> they likely used registry

>> cleaners themselves)

>>

>> incidentally, you might

>> enjoy the newsgroup if

>> you use a killfile to filter

>> out the irritations.

>> --

>>

>> db ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º>¸.

>>><)))º>·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. ><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º>

>>

>>

>> .

>>

>>

>> "D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message

>> news:ue%23ZaJyHIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>

>>> Twaddle...

>>>

>>> My experience proves otherwise.

>>>

>>> DSH

>>>

>>> "John John" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message

>>> news:%23KEtfzxHIHA.3916@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>

>>>> That is an absurd claim, cleaning the registry does not improve

>>>> performance.

>>>>

>>>> John

>>>>

>>>> D. Spencer Hines wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Nope...

>>>>>

>>>>> Bollixed Thinking...

>>>>>

>>>>> I've run tests on several machines and CCleaner's Registry Cleaner has

>>>>> improved performance on nine of them -- as compared to exactly

>>>>> identical machines without CCleaner.

>>>>>

>>>>> DSH

>>>>>

>>>>> "Bruce Chambers" <bchambers@cable0ne.n3t> wrote in message

>>>>> news:ONYK4ZxHIHA.5544@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>>>

>>>>>>D. Spencer Hines wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>>>Nonsense...

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>CCleaner is safe as a Registry Cleaner....

>>>>>>

>>>>>> CCleaner's registry scanner seems relatively benign, as long as

>>>>>> you

>>>>>> step through each detected "issue" one at a time, to determine if it

>>>>>> really is an "issue" or not, and then decide whether or not to let

>>>>>> the

>>>>>> application "fix" it. In my testing, though, most of the reported

>>>>>> "issues" won't be issues, at all. I tried the latest version on a

>>>>>> brand-new OS installation with no additional applications installed,

>>>>>> and certainly none installed and then uninstalled, and CCleaner still

>>>>>> managed to "find" over a hundred allegedly orphaned registry entries

>>>>>> and dozens of purportedly "suspicious" files.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> CCleaner's sole strength, and the only reason I use it, lies in

>>>>>> its

>>>>>> usefulness for cleaning up unused temporary files from the hard

>>>>>> drive;

>>>>>> as a registry "cleaner," it's not significantly better or worse than

>>>>>> any other snake oil product of the same type.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>And improves performance.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>Utterly untrue. *NO* registry "cleaner" has ever been proven to

>>>>>>improve performance; the actions they perform are not the sort that

>>>>>>could have any affect on a computer's performance.

>

>

Re: Registry Cleaner

 

John John added these comments in the current discussion du jour

....

> If it is so great why haven't they (Microsoft OneCare)

> included a registry cleaner in their product? Maybe it's

> because registry cleaning provides too great risks of damages

> while doing nothing to improve performance...

 

For reasons known only to Bill Gates and God - is that the same

thing? - MS has eshewed all kinds of useful utilities and allowed

the 3rd party folks to take center stage. I've always wondered

what MS might've been able to do had they really tried.

Seriously, with no hint whatsoever about MS bashing, who better

to write competant utilities than the designer/builder of the

O/S?

> http://forums.microsoft.com/WindowsOneCare/ShowPost.aspx?PostID

> =1973886&SiteID=2

> http://forums.microsoft.com/WindowsOneCare/Search/Search.aspx?w

> ords=registry+cleaner&localechoice=9&SiteID=2&searchscope=allfo

> rums

>

> John

>

>

>

> db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. . wrote:

>

>> absolutely....

>>

>> in fact you can here

>> it directly from the

>> experts here:

>>

>> http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/article/registry_cleaner_wh

>> y.htm

>>

>> the teams of code writers

>> and testers concur on

>> the above; according to

>> the chat i had with

>> a microsoft technician

>> several months ago.

>>

>

 

 

 

--

HP, aka Jerry

Re: Registry Cleaner

 

I Agree.

 

BUT it's the damned COURTS and LEGISLATURES that have done that to

Microsoft.

 

DSH

 

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

 

"HEMI-Powered" <none@none.en> wrote in message

news:Xns99DFA24668A8BReplyScoreID@140.99.99.130...

> For reasons known only to Bill Gates and God - is that the same

> thing? - MS has eshewed all kinds of useful utilities and allowed

> the 3rd party folks to take center stage. I've always wondered

> what MS might've been able to do had they really tried.

> Seriously, with no hint whatsoever about MS bashing, who better

> to write competent utilities than the designer/builder of the

> O/S?

Re: Registry Cleaner

 

HEMI-Powered wrote:

> John John added these comments in the current discussion du jour

> ...

>

>

>>If it is so great why haven't they (Microsoft OneCare)

>>included a registry cleaner in their product? Maybe it's

>>because registry cleaning provides too great risks of damages

>>while doing nothing to improve performance...

>

>

> For reasons known only to Bill Gates and God - is that the same

> thing? - MS has eshewed all kinds of useful utilities and allowed

> the 3rd party folks to take center stage. I've always wondered

> what MS might've been able to do had they really tried.

> Seriously, with no hint whatsoever about MS bashing, who better

> to write competant utilities than the designer/builder of the

> O/S?

 

Microsoft didn't write the OneCare utilities, nor did they write the

registry cleaner that is mentioned on their web site, these utilities

were written by what was previously Giant Software, Microsoft bought

them out so that they could expand their business and get into the AV

business. If my memory serves me well the total AV business is pegged

at about 12 billion dollars a year and it is a market that Microsoft

would dearly love to get a share of.

 

Of course Microsoft is rewriting and reassessing the Giant/OneCare

utilities that it ships but the bulk of these utilities were not written

by Microsoft. Until Giant was bought out by Microsoft many people had

never even heard of them before.

 

John

Re: Registry Cleaner

 

You are quite correct---noone owes me any explanations. But your credibility

is so utterly non existent because

of the blatant idiotic notions you post without EVER documenting, proving or

explaining any of them.

" db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. ." <databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com>

wrote in message news:uYDC3G$HIHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> well,

> it makes no difference

> to me or microsoft or

> the world.

>

> unfortunate for you that

> no one here owes you

> any explanations about

> anything.

>

> --

>

> db ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º>¸.

>><)))º>·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. ><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º>

>

>

> .

>

>

> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message

> news:nJIXi.2815$yV6.2025@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net...

>> You in no way accomplished my request. Give me a logical explanation not

>> a sales pitch. If you have games installed on your computer would you

>> speed up your computer if you deleted them? Get realistic.

>> " db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. ." <databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com>

>> wrote in message news:emHfNp8HIHA.1316@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>> absolutely....

>>>

>>> in fact you can here

>>> it directly from the

>>> experts here:

>>>

>>> http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/article/registry_cleaner_why.htm

>>>

>>> the teams of code writers

>>> and testers concur on

>>> the above; according to

>>> the chat i had with

>>> a microsoft technician

>>> several months ago.

>>>

>>> --

>>>

>>> db ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º>¸.

>>>><)))º>·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. ><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º>

>>>

>>>

>>> .

>>>

>>>

>>> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message

>>> news:2lHXi.41811$eY.7040@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net...

>>>> Will you and db be so kind as to give us any logical explanation of HOW

>>>> a register cleaner can improve performance?

>>>> Don't say by getting rid of unneeded data. Give a LOGICAL explanation.

>>>> "D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:ePC1jw7HIHA.5544@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>>> Right!

>>>>>

>>>>> He just wants someone else to do his work for him.

>>>>>

>>>>> DSH

>>>>>

>>>>> " db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. ."

>>>>> <databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>>>>> news:%23duS%

>>>>>

>>>>> 23q7HIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>>>>

>>>>>> he is a sly one and

>>>>>> was just baiting you.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> if he had such an open

>>>>>> mind, he could download

>>>>>> the program and test it

>>>>>> himself.

>>>>>> --

>>>>>>

>>>>>> db ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º>¸.

>>>>>>><)))º>·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. ><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> "D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message

>>>>>> news:OW29SL1HIHA.1316@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>>>

>>>>>>>I don't give a rat's rear end whether you believe me or not.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I'm not trying to sell anything.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> So, it's not worth my time and effort to post elaborate results of

>>>>>>> the tests

>>>>>>> I ran -- which will simply lead to a long thread of worthless back

>>>>>>> and forth

>>>>>>> caterwauling.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I can use that time far better in other useful pursuits such as

>>>>>>> managing my

>>>>>>> stock portfolio, working on the car, writing a historical post or

>>>>>>> email or

>>>>>>> doing something nice for my wife -- not necessarily in that order.

>>>>>>> <g>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I ran controlled tests on nine different machines with various

>>>>>>> configurations -- using the Registry Cleaner in CCleaner.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Performance was improved on all of them -- fewer hangs and pauses,

>>>>>>> faster

>>>>>>> loading of applications, faster executions of commands and faster

>>>>>>> startups

>>>>>>> and shutdowns.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> No Glitches -- Removing Something That Should Not Have Been

>>>>>>> Removed -- No

>>>>>>> FUD.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I have no experience of using other Registry Cleaners -- so I can't

>>>>>>> speak to

>>>>>>> them.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I do, carefully, sometimes manually remove or make changes to the

>>>>>>> Registry. So, I'm not a barefoot empiricist.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Your Mileage May Vary...

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> So, Run Your Own Tests.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Bonne Chance!

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> DSH

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Lux et Veritas et Libertas

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>

>>

>

Re: Registry Cleaner

 

Mon, 05 Nov 2007 00:56:56 GMT from HEMI-Powered <none@none.en>:

> I clean my Registry periodically with JV16 Powertools 100% only

> to get rid of unnessary clutter such as obsolete or invalid keys,

> leftover shortcuts and the like. Can't say I have ever seen a

> performance increase, though.

 

So your philosophy is "if it ain't broke, fix it anyway"? :-)

 

--

Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA

http://OakRoadSystems.com/

"If there's one thing I know, it's men. I ought to: it's

been my life work." -- Marie Dressler, in /Dinner at Eight/

Re: Registry Cleaner

 

Stan Brown added these comments in the current discussion du

jour ...

> Mon, 05 Nov 2007 00:56:56 GMT from HEMI-Powered

> <none@none.en>:

>> I clean my Registry periodically with JV16 Powertools 100%

>> only to get rid of unnessary clutter such as obsolete or

>> invalid keys, leftover shortcuts and the like. Can't say I

>> have ever seen a performance increase, though.

>

> So your philosophy is "if it ain't broke, fix it anyway"? :-)

>

No, the exact opposite. I didn't say so in this thread, but a

Registry scan is part of my periodic malware extensve scans. That

makes sense, at least to me, to see if something may have slipped

by that I recognize as "bad" but in the process, I clear out the

obvious crap. I do NOT go looking just for the sake of looking,

ditto for cleaning ever, ditto for performance increases because I

don't feel there are any to be gained.

 

--

HP, aka Jerry

CCleaner was used on my recently rebuilt hard drive and disassociatd all file

extensions on my computer. No programs worked anymore because exe did not

work any more so another complete rebuild had to be done. I will not use it

again.

 

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote:

> Nonsense...

>

> CCleaner is safe as a Registry Cleaner....

>

> And improves performance.

>

> DSH

>

> "Bruce Chambers" <bchambers@cable0ne.n3t> wrote in message

> news:O5CmfAwHIHA.2268@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>

> > Why do you think you'd ever need to clean your registry? What specific

> > *problems* are you actually experiencing (not some program's bogus listing

> > of imaginary problems) that you think can be fixed by using a registry

> > cleaner?

> >

> > If you do have a problem that is rooted in the registry, it would be

> > far better to simply edit (after backing up, of course) only the specific

> > key(s) and/or value(s) that are causing the problem. After all, why use a

> > chainsaw when a scalpel will do the job? Additionally, the manually

> > changing of one or two registry entries is far less likely to have the

> > dire consequences of allowing an automated product to make multiple

> > changes simultaneously. The only thing needed to safely clean your

> > registry is knowledge and Regedit.exe.

> >

> > The registry contains all of the operating system's "knowledge" of the

> > computer's hardware devices, installed software, the location of the

> > device drivers, and the computer's configuration. A misstep in the

> > registry can have severe consequences. One should not even turning loose

> > a poorly understood automated "cleaner," unless he is fully confident that

> > he knows *exactly* what is going to happen as a result of each and every

> > change.

> >

> > Having repeatedly seen the results of inexperienced people using

> > automated registry "cleaners," I can only advise all but the most

> > experienced computer technicians (and/or hobbyists) to avoid them all.

> > Experience has shown me that such tools simply are not safe in the hands

> > of the inexperienced user. If you lack the knowledge and experience to

> > maintain your registry by yourself, then you also lack the knowledge and

> > experience to safely configure and use any automated registry cleaner, no

> > matter how safe they claim to be.

> >

> > More importantly, no one has ever demonstrated that the use of an

> > automated registry cleaner, particularly by an untrained, inexperienced

> > computer user, does any real good, whatsoever. There's certainly been no

> > empirical evidence offered to demonstrate that the use of such products to

> > "clean" WinXP's registry improves a computer's performance or stability.

> > Given the potential for harm, it's just not worth the risk.

> >

> > Granted, most registry "cleaners" won't cause problems each and every

> > time they're used, but the potential for harm is always there. And, since

> > no registry "cleaner" has ever been demonstrated to do any good (think of

> > them like treating the flu with chicken soup - there's no real medicinal

> > value, but it sometimes provides a warming placebo effect), I always tell

> > people that the risks far out-weigh the non-existent benefits.

> >

> > I will concede that a good registry *scanning* tool, in the hands of

> > an experienced and knowledgeable technician or hobbyist can be a useful

> > time-saving diagnostic tool, as long as it's not allowed to make any

> > changes automatically. But I really don't think that there are any

> > registry cleaners that are truly safe for the general public to use.

> > Experience has proven just the opposite: such tools simply are not safe in

> > the hands of the inexperienced user.

>

>

>

I`ve just looked at ccleaner , can`t see anything about disassociating

file extensions .( Use it all the time )

 

 

 

On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:08:01 -0800, Ron Ruys <Ron

Ruys@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>CCleaner was used on my recently rebuilt hard drive and disassociatd all file

>extensions on my computer. No programs worked anymore because exe did not

>work any more so another complete rebuild had to be done. I will not use it

>again.

>

>"D. Spencer Hines" wrote:

>

>> Nonsense...

>>

>> CCleaner is safe as a Registry Cleaner....

>>

>> And improves performance.

>>

>> DSH

>>

>> "Bruce Chambers" <bchambers@cable0ne.n3t> wrote in message

>> news:O5CmfAwHIHA.2268@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>

>> > Why do you think you'd ever need to clean your registry? What specific

>> > *problems* are you actually experiencing (not some program's bogus listing

>> > of imaginary problems) that you think can be fixed by using a registry

>> > cleaner?

>> >

>> > If you do have a problem that is rooted in the registry, it would be

>> > far better to simply edit (after backing up, of course) only the specific

>> > key(s) and/or value(s) that are causing the problem. After all, why use a

>> > chainsaw when a scalpel will do the job? Additionally, the manually

>> > changing of one or two registry entries is far less likely to have the

>> > dire consequences of allowing an automated product to make multiple

>> > changes simultaneously. The only thing needed to safely clean your

>> > registry is knowledge and Regedit.exe.

>> >

>> > The registry contains all of the operating system's "knowledge" of the

>> > computer's hardware devices, installed software, the location of the

>> > device drivers, and the computer's configuration. A misstep in the

>> > registry can have severe consequences. One should not even turning loose

>> > a poorly understood automated "cleaner," unless he is fully confident that

>> > he knows *exactly* what is going to happen as a result of each and every

>> > change.

>> >

>> > Having repeatedly seen the results of inexperienced people using

>> > automated registry "cleaners," I can only advise all but the most

>> > experienced computer technicians (and/or hobbyists) to avoid them all.

>> > Experience has shown me that such tools simply are not safe in the hands

>> > of the inexperienced user. If you lack the knowledge and experience to

>> > maintain your registry by yourself, then you also lack the knowledge and

>> > experience to safely configure and use any automated registry cleaner, no

>> > matter how safe they claim to be.

>> >

>> > More importantly, no one has ever demonstrated that the use of an

>> > automated registry cleaner, particularly by an untrained, inexperienced

>> > computer user, does any real good, whatsoever. There's certainly been no

>> > empirical evidence offered to demonstrate that the use of such products to

>> > "clean" WinXP's registry improves a computer's performance or stability.

>> > Given the potential for harm, it's just not worth the risk.

>> >

>> > Granted, most registry "cleaners" won't cause problems each and every

>> > time they're used, but the potential for harm is always there. And, since

>> > no registry "cleaner" has ever been demonstrated to do any good (think of

>> > them like treating the flu with chicken soup - there's no real medicinal

>> > value, but it sometimes provides a warming placebo effect), I always tell

>> > people that the risks far out-weigh the non-existent benefits.

>> >

>> > I will concede that a good registry *scanning* tool, in the hands of

>> > an experienced and knowledgeable technician or hobbyist can be a useful

>> > time-saving diagnostic tool, as long as it's not allowed to make any

>> > changes automatically. But I really don't think that there are any

>> > registry cleaners that are truly safe for the general public to use.

>> > Experience has proven just the opposite: such tools simply are not safe in

>> > the hands of the inexperienced user.

>>

>>

>>

<bojimbo26@aol.com> wrote in message

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> I`ve just looked at ccleaner , can`t see anything about disassociating

> file extensions .( Use it all the time )

>

>

>

> On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:08:01 -0800, Ron Ruys <Ron

> Ruys@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>

>>CCleaner was used on my recently rebuilt hard drive and disassociatd all

>>file

>>extensions on my computer. No programs worked anymore because exe did not

>>work any more so another complete rebuild had to be done. I will not use

>>it

>>again.

>>

 

I note the use of the passive tense: "CCleaner was used...". Call me

cynical, but it makes me wonder if Ron used it himself and, as a result,

found associations lost - or whether someone else did some work on his

machine for him and pointed the finger at CCleaner when things went

belly-up.

Re: CCleaner Registry Cleaner

 

> I note the use of the passive tense: "CCleaner was used...". Call me

> cynical, but it makes me wonder if Ron used it himself and, as a result,

> found associations lost - or whether someone else did some work on his

> machine for him and pointed the finger at CCleaner when things went

> belly-up.

 

Perceptive.

 

I'm a regular user of CCleaner and have not encountered any such problems.

 

Note the use of the active voice -- not the passive voice.

 

DSH

 

"Olórin" <someoneelse@microsoft.com> wrote in message

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> <bojimbo26@aol.com> wrote in message

> news:b83pk39k53lef4jkk2fkoc18p6i69hlpeu@4ax.com...

>> I`ve just looked at ccleaner , can`t see anything about disassociating

>> file extensions .( Use it all the time )

>>

>> On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:08:01 -0800, Ron Ruys <Ron

>> Ruys@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>>

>>>CCleaner was used on my recently rebuilt hard drive and disassociatd all

>>>file extensions on my computer. No programs worked anymore because

>>> exe did not work any more so another complete rebuild had to be done.

>>> I will not use it again.

>>>

>

> I note the use of the passive tense: "CCleaner was used...". Call me

> cynical, but it makes me wonder if Ron used it himself and, as a result,

> found associations lost - or whether someone else did some work on his

> machine for him and pointed the finger at CCleaner when things went

> belly-up.

Olórin wrote:

> <bojimbo26@aol.com> wrote in message

> news:b83pk39k53lef4jkk2fkoc18p6i69hlpeu@4ax.com...

>> I`ve just looked at ccleaner , can`t see anything about

>> disassociating file extensions .( Use it all the time )

>>

>>

>>

>> On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:08:01 -0800, Ron Ruys <Ron

>> Ruys@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>>

>>> CCleaner was used on my recently rebuilt hard drive and

>>> disassociatd all file

>>> extensions on my computer. No programs worked anymore because exe

>>> did not work any more so another complete rebuild had to be done. I

>>> will not use it

>>> again.

>>>

>

> I note the use of the passive tense: "CCleaner was used...". Call me

> cynical, but it makes me wonder if Ron used it himself and, as a

> result, found associations lost - or whether someone else did some

> work on his machine for him and pointed the finger at CCleaner when

> things went belly-up.

 

Quite possibly the case. It's like when a politician says, "Mistakes

were made." :-)

Re: CCleaner Registry Cleaner

 

"D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message

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>> I note the use of the passive tense: "CCleaner was used...". Call me

>> cynical, but it makes me wonder if Ron used it himself and, as a result,

>> found associations lost - or whether someone else did some work on his

>> machine for him and pointed the finger at CCleaner when things went

>> belly-up.

>

> Perceptive.

>

> I'm a regular user of CCleaner and have not encountered any such problems.

>

> Note the use of the active voice -- not the passive voice.

>

> DSH

>

 

Whoops, is it "voice"? (Hits the Web.) Ook. I hate getting that sort of

thing wrong!