Re: A foolish statistic

 

On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 12:36:52 -0500, Michael Jennings wrote:

> I see that you put "never" in quotes. I get no desktop effects in

> VirtualBox. I think I need to install Ubuntu unvirtualized to see its

> desktop effects.

 

Yea you do. No virtual machines have any significant 3D Acceleration

support at this point in time so the only way you can get effects such as

Compiz, or in Vista's case Aero, is by actually running it on the real

hardware.

 

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Re: Linux is FREE....Where are the users??????????????? LINUX isF

 

E. Barry Bruyea wrote:

> On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 08:55:37 -0400, "Mike Hall - MVP"

> <mikehall@mvps.com> wrote:

>

>> Buyer goes into major retail outlet to buy a computer. Picks a model running

>> Ubuntu. Wants a printer and scanner too. Will it work? The employee is not

>> sure but probably thinks that it will be ok. Wants some software for the

>> kids and maybe something for self. Will it work? No. Employee says that the

>> internet is the only place to get software. Buyer asks if any existing

>> software from the old computer will work. Employee says 'no, probably not'.

>> Buyer picks Windows computer. Everybody is happy.

>

>

> That doesn't make MS responsible for untrained/stupid sales clerks.

> The same situation is very present in Audio/Video stores, where they

> are hired, told to wear a tie and sent out on the floor. Everywhere

> you go, this is very common. Car salesmen are no different, I went to

> a dealer yesterday to have a look at some '08 models and stood there

> aghast as some idiot told me that 'All Wheel Drive' & 'Four Wheel

> Drive' is exactly the same thing, only they are 'marketed' different.

> These days, you have to do your own research on products and that is

> one very large benefit you get from the WWW.

>

AWD and 4WD are most definitely not the same... if you have one of these...

http://translift.com.au/Liebherr_LTM1160_heavy_lift_crane_hire.html

Re: A foolish statistic

 

caver1 wrote:

> Ricky wrote:

>> Gee. If Dell sold 10 computers with Linux last month, and 20 computers

>> this months, that's a 100% increase in sales - which means absolutely

>> ***NOTHING***!

>>

>> Conversely, if Dell sold 42,000 computers with Vista last month and

>> 50,400 this month, that is a 20% increase.

>> If you were Dell, which would you rather sell?

>>

>>

 

 

Look at the figures on the server side. Last year

Linux had a little over 9% of total server

growth. Linux now has a little over 19% of total

server growth.

So that is percentage of total out there not just

Linux sales.

caver1

Re: A foolish statistic

 

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

> Considering? There are a good few here who have already installed 7.10,

> MVPs included. You need to get a move on.

>

 

Well if you decide to try again I think I can "Confirm" that 2 drives

may confuse the installer, which is pretty sad when you think about it.

 

I have one IDE and 2 SATAs (only one in use at the time) and it appeared

to install on the SATA and did no harm to the IDE but comes up with

"File Not Found" on boot.

 

This of course may be peculiar to the machine in use. Just FYI (oops)

Re: Linux is FREE....Where are the users??????????????? LINUX isF

 

Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

> I think you are missing a major point.

> "most major applications used on Windows which do NOT require searching

> the internet"

> How is a new Linux user going to find these if they do not search, the

> internet or somewhere.

 

If I may just correct what may be a misconception here the repositories

contain choices as well as system stuff, so, unlike windows update you

can go to the search box in the package installer and search for CAD and

it will list numerous things which mention CAD in their info, this is

actually like Google but with far fewer red herrings.

 

Not entering a search is also possible, in which case you can click on

categories of software or simply browse a list of ALL.

 

Note I did not say that all the names make sense :)

Re: A foolish statistic

 

HeyBub wrote:

> Adam Albright wrote:

>>> Great idea! While you're at it try dl'ing some brains, some manners,

>>> some backbone and some balls!

>>> Frank

>> Frank is a strong believer in leading by example:

>>

>> 1. He doesn't know when to use your from you're, makes constant

>> spelling and grammatical errors, yet pretends he runs a

>> marketing/advertising business where a better than average

>> grasp of good English is mandatory.

>

> A good copywriter writes for the intended audience.

>

>> 2. Frank calls everybody a drunk, liar, troll, worse.

>

> He's never called ME that.

>

>> 3. Frank's manners: Says STFU, get out of here and don't come back.

>> Will repeat the same lies hundreds of times, accuses people

>> of being unethical, dishonest, in jail, criminals, crazy, etc..

>

> Eventually, even the biggest dullards will get the message - if it's

> repeated often enough. Don't you agree?

>

>> 4. Frank doesn't have the balls to list the name of his company

>> he pretends made him very wealthy, another of Frank's claims all

>> of which seem to be just figments of his imagination since he

>> always refuses to provide any proof on any of his claims.

>

> No need to do so. This is simply a tactic to change the terms of the debate.

> Might as well insist on knowing his mother's maiden name as far as

> relevancy.

>

>> In other words Frank is a real piece of work and never criticized by

>> any of his fellow fanboys. That speaks volumes who can be trusted and

>> who can't.

>

> Honor. Loyalty. Brotherhood. Values that count. They are everlasting. I may

> not agree with everything Frank says (although you'll never hear me say so),

> but he's family. It's us against the barbarians.

>

>

 

If you really believe that MS considers you a part of their "us", you

are phenomenally naive.

 

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To email me, remove shoes

Re: A foolish statistic

 

But.. but.. but.. Señor Ubuntu hasn't even gotten off of Frustrating Fawn

yet..

 

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"Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote in message

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> On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 15:56:50 -0400, Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>

>> Take too much longer and you might as well wait for 8.04 CDs..

>

> Hahaha very very true! Gutsy is already yesterday's news...I've already

> been running it for 2 months!

>

> Time for 8.04 =)

>

>

> --

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Re: A foolish statistic

 

On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 17:44:33 -0500, Charlie Tame wrote:

> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>> Considering? There are a good few here who have already installed 7.10,

>> MVPs included. You need to get a move on.

>>

>>

> Well if you decide to try again I think I can "Confirm" that 2 drives

> may confuse the installer, which is pretty sad when you think about it.

 

I have 3 drives and it is completely happy with it.

>

> I have one IDE and 2 SATAs (only one in use at the time) and it appeared

> to install on the SATA and did no harm to the IDE but comes up with

> "File Not Found" on boot.

 

Does Grub even start up? If so, what's the error code returned from Grub?

It should show an error number on the screen.

 

If Grub doesn't start up, then your machine is booting with who knows

what...and that is then the problem.

 

 

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Re: A foolish statistic

 

Stephan Rose wrote:

> On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 12:36:52 -0500, Michael Jennings wrote:

>

>> I see that you put "never" in quotes. I get no desktop effects in

>> VirtualBox. I think I need to install Ubuntu unvirtualized to see its

>> desktop effects.

>

> Yea you do. No virtual machines have any significant 3D Acceleration

> support at this point in time so the only way you can get effects such as

> Compiz, or in Vista's case Aero, is by actually running it on the real

> hardware.

>

 

 

No controls are installed for the graphics, one has to add gnome-compiz

controls or whatever... adds a menu item under preferences...

Re: A foolish statistic

 

Stephan Rose wrote:

> On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 17:44:33 -0500, Charlie Tame wrote:

>

>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>>> Considering? There are a good few here who have already installed 7.10,

>>> MVPs included. You need to get a move on.

>>>

>>>

>> Well if you decide to try again I think I can "Confirm" that 2 drives

>> may confuse the installer, which is pretty sad when you think about it.

>

> I have 3 drives and it is completely happy with it.

>

>> I have one IDE and 2 SATAs (only one in use at the time) and it appeared

>> to install on the SATA and did no harm to the IDE but comes up with

>> "File Not Found" on boot.

>

> Does Grub even start up? If so, what's the error code returned from Grub?

> It should show an error number on the screen.

>

> If Grub doesn't start up, then your machine is booting with who knows

> what...and that is then the problem.

>

>

 

 

Oh good, now we are posting in both threads :)

 

Well yes that could well be it, however booting with nothing except that

IDE drive in the machine shows error 21 from Grub...

 

Removing that drive and booting from the other drive works fine. With

that drive in the boot says "File not found", not a grub error.

 

If I install to the SATA drive with the IDE in place it appear to

install correctly but then no matter what I do (Even select boot drive

from BIOS) it is file not found.

 

Haven't had time to get this exactly figured out

Re: A foolish statistic

 

Charlie Tame wrote:

> Stephan Rose wrote:

>> On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 17:44:33 -0500, Charlie Tame wrote:

>>

>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>>>> Considering? There are a good few here who have already installed 7.10,

>>>> MVPs included. You need to get a move on.

>>>>

>>>>

>>> Well if you decide to try again I think I can "Confirm" that 2 drives

>>> may confuse the installer, which is pretty sad when you think about it.

>>

>> I have 3 drives and it is completely happy with it.

>>

>>> I have one IDE and 2 SATAs (only one in use at the time) and it appeared

>>> to install on the SATA and did no harm to the IDE but comes up with

>>> "File Not Found" on boot.

>>

>> Does Grub even start up? If so, what's the error code returned from

>> Grub? It should show an error number on the screen.

>>

>> If Grub doesn't start up, then your machine is booting with who knows

>> what...and that is then the problem.

>>

>>

>

>

> Oh good, now we are posting in both threads :)

>

> Well yes that could well be it, however booting with nothing except that

> IDE drive in the machine shows error 21 from Grub...

>

> Removing that drive and booting from the other drive works fine. With

> that drive in the boot says "File not found", not a grub error.

>

> If I install to the SATA drive with the IDE in place it appear to

> install correctly but then no matter what I do (Even select boot drive

> from BIOS) it is file not found.

>

> Haven't had time to get this exactly figured out

 

 

Hate to tell you this Charlie but you might get

the answer in an Ubuntu forum but not here. :)

caver1

Re: Linux is FREE....Where are the users??????????????? LINUX isFREE...Where are it's users???????????????????

 

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

> I can see why you like alt.os groups. I pulled out of helping in the

> alt.os. windows groups. The regulars acted like pigs, and the people

> going for help were insulted as a matter of course. There are a number

> of people trying to bring this group down to the same level. Very sad.

>

 

You are one of those people who contribute to this.

 

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free speech rights under the First Amendment and is a cornerstone of the

creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country. Consumer

rights in the digital age are not frivolous."

- Maura Corbett

Re: A foolish statistic

 

caver1 wrote:

> Charlie Tame wrote:

>> Stephan Rose wrote:

>>> On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 17:44:33 -0500, Charlie Tame wrote:

>>>

>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>>>>> Considering? There are a good few here who have already installed

>>>>> 7.10,

>>>>> MVPs included. You need to get a move on.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>> Well if you decide to try again I think I can "Confirm" that 2 drives

>>>> may confuse the installer, which is pretty sad when you think about it.

>>>

>>> I have 3 drives and it is completely happy with it.

>>>

>>>> I have one IDE and 2 SATAs (only one in use at the time) and it

>>>> appeared

>>>> to install on the SATA and did no harm to the IDE but comes up with

>>>> "File Not Found" on boot.

>>>

>>> Does Grub even start up? If so, what's the error code returned from

>>> Grub? It should show an error number on the screen.

>>>

>>> If Grub doesn't start up, then your machine is booting with who knows

>>> what...and that is then the problem.

>>>

>>>

>>

>>

>> Oh good, now we are posting in both threads :)

>>

>> Well yes that could well be it, however booting with nothing except

>> that IDE drive in the machine shows error 21 from Grub...

>>

>> Removing that drive and booting from the other drive works fine. With

>> that drive in the boot says "File not found", not a grub error.

>>

>> If I install to the SATA drive with the IDE in place it appear to

>> install correctly but then no matter what I do (Even select boot drive

>> from BIOS) it is file not found.

>>

>> Haven't had time to get this exactly figured out

>

>

> Hate to tell you this Charlie but you might get the answer in an Ubuntu

> forum but not here. :)

> caver1

 

 

I wasn't asking for one, just that a number seem to be installing,

trying, considering whatever and I figured my findings so far might

avoid a problem for somebody :)

Re: A foolish statistic

 

Charlie Tame wrote:

> caver1 wrote:

>> Charlie Tame wrote:

>>> Stephan Rose wrote:

>>>> On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 17:44:33 -0500, Charlie Tame wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>>>>>> Considering? There are a good few here who have already installed

>>>>>> 7.10,

>>>>>> MVPs included. You need to get a move on.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>> Well if you decide to try again I think I can "Confirm" that 2 drives

>>>>> may confuse the installer, which is pretty sad when you think about

>>>>> it.

>>>>

>>>> I have 3 drives and it is completely happy with it.

>>>>

>>>>> I have one IDE and 2 SATAs (only one in use at the time) and it

>>>>> appeared

>>>>> to install on the SATA and did no harm to the IDE but comes up with

>>>>> "File Not Found" on boot.

>>>>

>>>> Does Grub even start up? If so, what's the error code returned from

>>>> Grub? It should show an error number on the screen.

>>>>

>>>> If Grub doesn't start up, then your machine is booting with who

>>>> knows what...and that is then the problem.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Oh good, now we are posting in both threads :)

>>>

>>> Well yes that could well be it, however booting with nothing except

>>> that IDE drive in the machine shows error 21 from Grub...

>>>

>>> Removing that drive and booting from the other drive works fine. With

>>> that drive in the boot says "File not found", not a grub error.

>>>

>>> If I install to the SATA drive with the IDE in place it appear to

>>> install correctly but then no matter what I do (Even select boot

>>> drive from BIOS) it is file not found.

>>>

>>> Haven't had time to get this exactly figured out

>>

>>

>> Hate to tell you this Charlie but you might get the answer in an

>> Ubuntu forum but not here. :)

>> caver1

>

>

> I wasn't asking for one, just that a number seem to be installing,

> trying, considering whatever and I figured my findings so far might

> avoid a problem for somebody :)

 

 

I have found over the years that no matter the Os

it depends on the computer

how it is going to install. Even if they are the

same the install maybe different and

nobody knows why. And you are right.

caver1

Re: Linux is FREE....Where are the users??????????????? LINUX is FREE...Where are it's users???????????????????

 

I had a feeling that would bring you out of the wings.. :-)

 

Btw, you never did provide proof of your allegations.. just the usual 'I

don't have the time to waste' crap so often seen when people are unable to

back up what they say.. oh well..

 

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"The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'"

<none@none.not> wrote in message news:ffgt9g$mjt$1@aioe.org...

> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>> I can see why you like alt.os groups. I pulled out of helping in the

>> alt.os. windows groups. The regulars acted like pigs, and the people

>> going for help were insulted as a matter of course. There are a number of

>> people trying to bring this group down to the same level. Very sad.

>>

>

> You are one of those people who contribute to this.

>

> --

> Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group:

> http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/kick.html

>

> "Fair use is not merely a nice concept--it is a federal law based on free

> speech rights under the First Amendment and is a cornerstone of the

> creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country. Consumer

> rights in the digital age are not frivolous."

> - Maura Corbett

Re: A foolish statistic

 

"Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote in message

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> On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 12:36:52 -0500, Michael Jennings wrote:

>

>> I see that you put "never" in quotes. I get no desktop effects in

>> VirtualBox. I think I need to install Ubuntu unvirtualized to see its

>> desktop effects.

>

> Yea you do. No virtual machines have any significant 3D Acceleration

> support at this point in time so the only way you can get effects such as

> Compiz, or in Vista's case Aero, is by actually running it on the real

> hardware.

 

When I tried for effects running 7.1 live off the CD, Ubuntu downloaded an

nvidia driver, and said I'd get effects after the reboot it requested. This was

no so, of course. During the virtual install, I was never asked to set a Root

password - just a user password. It won't let me be root - I can't enable

VirtualBox extensions. Since during the real install, Ubuntu Install wouldn't

recognize the Promise RAID, I stopped (unvirtualized) Install before it wrote

anything (I hope). Fedora 7 suits me better than Ubuntu 7.1, I think - none of

these drawbacks. Ubuntu stays virtualized, as does olpc:

http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Home

Re: Linux is FREE....Where are the users??????????????? LINUX is F

 

What in heckla does Linux have to do with this NG? Linux is not

Windows XP. Jeez.

-

 

"Frank" <fb@spamm.nrz> wrote in message

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> dennis@home wrote:

>

>>

>> "Alias" <iamalias@gmailshoes.com> wrote in message

>> news:fffpui$m8g$1@aioe.org...

>>

>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>>>

>>>> Alias

>>>>

>>>> Your technical prowess seems only to extend to bandying

>>>> insults with others of your type. When anybody puts up any

>>>> decent discussion point, you either insult or become

>>>> uncharacteristically quiet. You quite clearly have shown

>>>> yourself to have no grasp of anything, and that includes

>>>> Ubuntu. Still waiting for a bug free 7.10? Wait on..

>>>>

>>>> Much as you bluster on about Ubuntu, it is by no means the

>>>> 'be all and end all' of the Linux scene, and is as all

>>>> other Linux desktops are, a niche market.

>>>>

>>>

>>> Insulting me rather than addressing the content again, eh?

>>> Why am I not surprised?

>>

>>

>> I'm surprised you saw an insult there, it was just a

>> statement of fact IMO.

>> If you thought that was an insult you should avoid using the

>> Internet as it is full of adults who may actually insult you

>> one day.

>

> That is alias's go to responds when he's caught like a deer in

> the headlights.

> He's just a know nothing, lying linux lovin loser.

> Frank

Re: A foolish statistic

 

Alias wrote:

> HeyBub wrote:

>

>> Adam Albright wrote:

>>

>>>> Great idea! While you're at it try dl'ing some brains, some manners,

>>>> some backbone and some balls!

>>>> Frank

>>>

>>> Frank is a strong believer in leading by example:

>>>

>>> 1. He doesn't know when to use your from you're, makes constant

>>> spelling and grammatical errors, yet pretends he runs a

>>> marketing/advertising business where a better than average

>>> grasp of good English is mandatory.

>>

>>

>> A good copywriter writes for the intended audience.

>>

>>> 2. Frank calls everybody a drunk, liar, troll, worse.

>>

>>

>> He's never called ME that.

>>

>>> 3. Frank's manners: Says STFU, get out of here and don't come back.

>>> Will repeat the same lies hundreds of times, accuses people

>>> of being unethical, dishonest, in jail, criminals, crazy, etc..

>>

>>

>> Eventually, even the biggest dullards will get the message - if it's

>> repeated often enough. Don't you agree?

>>

>>> 4. Frank doesn't have the balls to list the name of his company

>>> he pretends made him very wealthy, another of Frank's claims all

>>> of which seem to be just figments of his imagination since he

>>> always refuses to provide any proof on any of his claims.

>>

>>

>> No need to do so. This is simply a tactic to change the terms of the

>> debate. Might as well insist on knowing his mother's maiden name as

>> far as relevancy.

>>

>>> In other words Frank is a real piece of work and never criticized by

>>> any of his fellow fanboys. That speaks volumes who can be trusted and

>>> who can't.

>>

>>

>> Honor. Loyalty. Brotherhood. Values that count. They are everlasting.

>> I may not agree with everything Frank says (although you'll never hear

>> me say so), but he's family. It's us against the barbarians.

>>

>

> If you really believe that MS considers you a part of their "us", you

> are phenomenally naive.

>

 

Nah...not even close to your beliefs...or lack thereof.

Frank

Re: Linux is FREE....Where are the users??????????????? LINUX is F

 

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message

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>I think you are missing a major point.

> "most major applications used on Windows which do NOT require searching

> the internet"

 

 

Just shows you have not seen Linux installed - you go to Add Programs in the

"Start" menu (it's not actually called that) and there is a HUGE list of ALL

the programs that you can install from the Repositories. And when I say

huge, I mean tens of THOUSANDS.....It is VERY VERY unusual that a newbie

would need anything outside that HUGE list.....

 

I suggest you get a Live CD of the latest Ubuntu and just run it, purely for

your information of course...

Re: A foolish statistic

 

"Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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>I have been playing with every version of Ubuntu available for the past

>three years. I use them in a virtual machine.

>

> I would "never" install Ubuntu (or any Linux distribution) directly on a

> computer, nor would I ever purchase a computer that has Linux on it. That

> is, unless someone has a new computer using Linux that they just have to

> get rid of (at a ridiculously cheap price), because they have found that

> what they want to install on it doesn't work.

>

> Then I would buy the computer and wipe it clean, install Windows, and

> resell the computer.

 

And of course you gave some very cogent REASONS for that didn't you?

 

PLONKER!

Re: A foolish statistic

 

"Michael Jennings" <metarhyme@gmail.com> wrote in message

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> During the virtual install, I was never asked to set a Root

> password - just a user password. It won't let me be root

 

Ubuntu doesn't normally let you be root.

It has a similar thing to UAC where if the application needs to run as root

it will just do so after it has prompted for your normal user password.

Its not as secure as other Linux distros but it makes it easier for the

beginer.

(It can be a bit of a drag if you have a lot of things to change so you then

cheat and hack into root and change the files by hand. Just like people

disable UAC.).

> - I can't enable

> VirtualBox extensions.

 

You are probably using the wrong tool to do the config but don't ask me

which one you should use as I have not tried.

 

> Since during the real install, Ubuntu Install wouldn't

> recognize the Promise RAID, I stopped (unvirtualized) Install before it

> wrote

> anything (I hope). Fedora 7 suits me better than Ubuntu 7.1, I think -

> none of

> these drawbacks. Ubuntu stays virtualized, as does olpc:

> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Home

>

 

Ubuntu is a bit patchy on the drivers it includes.. it will work OK on many

machines but isn't worth the bother on others as you can install other

versions of Linux with less hassle, probably due to them being on DVD and

including more drivers.

Re: A foolish statistic

 

I don't believe I have to give reasons for a personal conviction.

 

But if you must know, I do not install Linux in any other than a virtual

machine. So far **MY** feeling is that it is just not ready as a true

desktop replacement - and I am allowed to have made this personal

determination, am I not?

 

--

 

Regards,

 

Richard Urban

Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User

(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

 

 

 

"Gordon" <gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote in message

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> "Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> news:OCnn8S$EIHA.1168@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>I have been playing with every version of Ubuntu available for the past

>>three years. I use them in a virtual machine.

>>

>> I would "never" install Ubuntu (or any Linux distribution) directly on a

>> computer, nor would I ever purchase a computer that has Linux on it. That

>> is, unless someone has a new computer using Linux that they just have to

>> get rid of (at a ridiculously cheap price), because they have found that

>> what they want to install on it doesn't work.

>>

>> Then I would buy the computer and wipe it clean, install Windows, and

>> resell the computer.

>

> And of course you gave some very cogent REASONS for that didn't you?

>

> PLONKER!

>

Re: A foolish statistic

 

"Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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>I don't believe I have to give reasons for a personal conviction.

 

then don't expect anyone to take your views seriously if you give no

REASON....

 

And I do NOT take your views seriously at all.

Re: A foolish statistic

 

Wow! Oh GOSH! You have just ruined my day! Boo! Hoo!

 

--

 

Regards,

 

Richard Urban

Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User

(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

 

 

 

"Gordon" <gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote in message

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> "Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> news:%23FHG4QKFIHA.1056@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>I don't believe I have to give reasons for a personal conviction.

>

> then don't expect anyone to take your views seriously if you give no

> REASON....

>

> And I do NOT take your views seriously at all.

>

Re: A foolish statistic

 

On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 19:30:11 -0500, Charlie Tame wrote:

> Stephan Rose wrote:

>> On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 17:44:33 -0500, Charlie Tame wrote:

>>

>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>>>> Considering? There are a good few here who have already installed

>>>> 7.10, MVPs included. You need to get a move on.

>>>>

>>>>

>>> Well if you decide to try again I think I can "Confirm" that 2 drives

>>> may confuse the installer, which is pretty sad when you think about

>>> it.

>>

>> I have 3 drives and it is completely happy with it.

>>

>>> I have one IDE and 2 SATAs (only one in use at the time) and it

>>> appeared to install on the SATA and did no harm to the IDE but comes

>>> up with "File Not Found" on boot.

>>

>> Does Grub even start up? If so, what's the error code returned from

>> Grub? It should show an error number on the screen.

>>

>> If Grub doesn't start up, then your machine is booting with who knows

>> what...and that is then the problem.

>>

>>

>>

>

> Oh good, now we are posting in both threads :)

>

> Well yes that could well be it, however booting with nothing except that

> IDE drive in the machine shows error 21 from Grub...

>

> Removing that drive and booting from the other drive works fine. With

> that drive in the boot says "File not found", not a grub error.

>

> If I install to the SATA drive with the IDE in place it appear to

> install correctly but then no matter what I do (Even select boot drive

> from BIOS) it is file not found.

>

> Haven't had time to get this exactly figured out

 

 

So it sounds to me that your IDE drive is your drive that the system is

bootingfrom, am I correct? Since you said you installed to the SATA

drive, it appears that your master boot record is on your IDE drive.

 

And if you then remove the SATA drive and only keep the IDE drive, you

would get error 21. So far so good, everything makes sense.

 

It sounds to me, that once you have both the IDE and SATA drive in place

though that the bios absolutely wants to boot from the SATA drive no

matter what and completely ignores the master boot sector on the IDE

drive. That's at least the impression I'm getting from this.

 

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Stephan

2003 Yamaha R6

 

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