"Peter Köhlmann" . wrote in message

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> dennis@home wrote:

>

> < snip >

>

>>> I have Solaris thanks, not used it much as I have not had much spare

>>> time. I think I phrased the other comment ambiguously, I didn't mean the

>>> Apple OS and Solaris are literally "Like" Linux although as you said

>>> Solaris is somewhat similar, I meant they are both much different than

>>> Windows

>>

>> Windows, Solaris, OSes based on linux and FreeBSD are very much alike,

>> they are more alike than different, something people often forget when

>> arguing which is best.

>> They all have a kernel responsible for schedulling, etc. and a layer for

>> handling I/O, and another layer for running the applications.

>

> Solaris, OSes based on linux and FreeBSD are very much alike. In that they

> are *nixes.

> Windows is a tiny little bit like them in that it handles typical OS

> stuff,

> although it tries (and succeeds) being different from unix in whichever

> way

> possible.

> It it radically different from the *nixes in its ability to run all of

> those

> famous viruses and other assorted malware.

 

I don't remember the infamous Morris worm running on windows.. didn't it

predate it?

Unix and Linux are not free from threats except in the minds of some users.

So even that is a similarity shared with windows.

Adam Albright wrote:

> On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 11:08:59 -0700, Frank <fb@nospan.crm> wrote:

>

>

>>Alias wrote:

>>

>>

>>>Frank wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>>>Alias wrote:

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>Translation: Saucy just had his or her argument totally destroyed

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>Not by the likes of an idiot linux lovin loser like you!

>>>>Frank

>>>

>>>

>>>Sigh, more lies, insults and bluster. No imagination, eh?

>>>

>>

>>We like to keep it simple for idiots like you so you can clearly

>>understand the message.

>>Frank

>

>

>

> There is no "we" Frank. There is just one truly nuts raving lunatic in

> this newsgroup. Just look into any mirror to see who it is.

>

 

"We" my friend, are continually pulling your stings pushing your buttons

and kinkin your ignorant ass all over this ng.

Frank

NoStop wrote:

> Frank wrote:

>

>

>>Alias wrote:

>>

>

>

>>>Not a lie. You can use the GUI for almost everything in Ubuntu.

>>

>>"Almost" is the key word.

>

>

> Yep, sort of like Windoze Frankie Boy, where you can use a GUI for "almost"

> everything in Windoze, but certainly not all. There are times in Windoze

> that the commandline is required. Of course, you probably are too stupid to

> know this and if you can't clickety-clickety, you're lost.

>

> Cheers.

>

 

Don't bet your sweet cross-dressing ass on it doris!

Frank

On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 11:40:50 -0700, Frank <fb@nospan.crm> wrote:

>Charlie Tame wrote:

>

>> Frank wrote:

>>

>>> NoStop wrote:

>>>

>>>>

>>>> What are you billshitting about now? It's far easier to install

>>>> software in

>>>> Linux than it is in Windoze.

>>>

>>>

>>> That's a fukkin lie and you're full of sh*t!

>>>

>>> Far easier, because of the repositories Linux

>>>

>>>> distros provide and the GUI tools provided to do the package

>>>> installations.

>>>

>>>

>>> Wrong!

>>>

>>>> And no, again wrong ... with today's modern Linux distros, "simple

>>>> computer

>>>> commands" require clicking your mouse. You can master that, can't you?

>>>

>>>

>>> More lies from doris?

>>> How's that canadian bacon doing, huh?

>>> Frank

>>

>>

>>

>> What you afraid of Frank? :)

>

>You tell me? :-)

>Frank

 

Frank is afraid to look in a mirror.

<spike1@freenet.co.uk> wrote in message

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> Rich <r.green@comcast.net> did eloquently scribble:

>

>>> Comprehension problems eh?

>>> Try switching the thing around a little.

>>> "Could VIRUSES exist without windows?"

>>> Yes, MSDOS had full virus support too..

>>> Comprendo?

>

>> OH! *now* I get it

>> lets see, lets change it around a little bit )

>> Could Linux users exist without changing the subject?

>

> When the subject is meaningless (as the original post in this thread was)

> what would be the purpose of NOT changing it?

 

Lets see, too demonstrate you have an answer?

or is answering not important in your world? :)

Bingo .. there you go.

 

Rich

>>> You mean, like "thank goodness I don't have to put up with Windows

>>> anymore"?

>>

>> now YOU are telling me what I mean?

>

> Looked like a question to me. Can't you see the question mark at the end

> of the sentence?

 

Of course it did, thats my point

"You mean" notice that part? .. looks like he's telling me what I mean ..

or are words and their assembly in sentences hard to deal with? :)

 

Looks like he's still trying to tell me what I mean?

Know what I mean?

 

heh

>> I guess that is the only way you can make your OS politics work?

> I guess you can't read properly.

I guess you are trying to make YOUR OS politics work as well

hope you have unemployment insureance/compensation

 

Rich

In comp.os.linux.advocacy Rich <r.green@comcast.net> wrote:

>

> <spike1@freenet.co.uk> wrote in message

> news:8mudr4-7sf.ln1@ridcully.ntlworld.com...

>> Rich <r.green@comcast.net> did eloquently scribble:

>>

>>>> Comprehension problems eh?

>>>> Try switching the thing around a little.

>>>> "Could VIRUSES exist without windows?"

>>>> Yes, MSDOS had full virus support too..

>>>> Comprendo?

>>

>>> OH! *now* I get it

>>> lets see, lets change it around a little bit )

>>> Could Linux users exist without changing the subject?

>>

>> When the subject is meaningless (as the original post in this thread was)

>> what would be the purpose of NOT changing it?

>

> Lets see, too demonstrate you have an answer?

> or is answering not important in your world? :)

> Bingo .. there you go.

>

> Rich

>

 

Could gibberish exist without mush heads?

"Frank Kirk" <fwkirk@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

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> dont.pullout@yahoo.com wrote:

>> So why the hell is Linux's desktop useage hovering around 1 percent?

>> Why does Microsoft still have 95 to 98 percent of the market?

>

> Because 95 to 98 percent of the people are incapable of thinking for

> themselves?

 

I suppose you would rather have folks play with computers rather than use

them for constructive purposes such as business or communication. You want

to be able to get into the systems and play with that rather than use the

system for what it was intended.

 

Good luck and have a good time and let us get along with our work.

 

Regards,

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

<snips>

>

> It is only hobbyists and 'upgraders' who are badly affected by Vista

> pricing.. OEM system buyers are not, and they get a free printer..

>

<snippage>

 

From the mouth of an MVP...

I don't believe it!

Thanks for being honest Mike, but don't you mean price and WPA/WGA/N of

vista?

 

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dennis@home wrote:

>

> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

> news:Oo7zLYj8HHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>

>

>

>> The apple OS is much like Linux, Sun's Solaris is much like Linux, so

>> although they will not directly be about to support free Linux there

>> is a user base out there, which from a learning curve point of view is

>> not insignificant.

>

> The Apple OS is nothing like Linux.. its based on FreeBSD so there is no

> Linux in the Apple OS at all.

>

> Sun Solaris has a kernel similar to Linux.. not really surprising as

> Solaris is based on SVR5 and Linus copied its predecesor to make Linux.

> However the structure and resource management in Solaris is way ahead of

> Linux as is its security model, the kernel is compartmentalised as

> required by the DoD unlike Linux.

>

> BTW you can get Solaris free from

> http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/get.jsp if you want to see a Linux

> killer.

 

 

I tried solaris 10, and linux is much more user friendly I find.

 

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Saucy wrote:

> [Headers trimmed]

>

> It's because the Linux platform is mostly half baked junk. The platform

> is merely adequate for 3 things:

>

> 1. File serving

> 2. Web file serving

> 3. Sobbery at universities because is it overcomplicated and demands the

> use of arcane command line commands which the snobs think their

> referring to both establishes and proves their self-appointed

> "superiority".

>

> But the truth of the matter is that Linux can't even get drag 'n drop

> right.

>

> Saucy

 

Is this the voice of experience we hear in this post from you, Saucy?

 

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> Could gibberish exist without mush heads?

 

 

Good one. I guess you told me.

 

 

Rich

Sven Geier wrote:

> dont.pullout@yahoo.com wrote:

>

>> Linux is free.

>> Windows is not.

>> Linux has been free for a long time while Microsoft stagnated with

>> Windows XP.

>> Linux is free.

> [...]

>>

>> Why?

>

> 1) You may be mistaken with the "windows costs money" line of reasoning.

> See right here: http://articles.tlug.jp/Windows_Is_Free

>

> 2) The wife just bought a laptop. It came with Windows on it. It just

> works. Why would she go to the trouble of erasing a perfectly functioning

> OS just to install another one? The apps that she likes (like OpenOffice

> or Firefox) can be downloaded for Windows just as well as for Linux. What

> motivation would she have to "switch"?

>

>

> Just thinking out loud here...

 

What happens when she needs an upgrade of her hardware? Will Windows allow

her to do it without invalidating her install?

 

How long will her system run without an re-install or even a reboot?

 

Stability, security, freedom.

 

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"The poster formerly known as the poster formerly known as Nina DiBoy"

<nonee@none.not> wrote in message news:fc2fem$r4k$4@aioe.org...

> dennis@home wrote:

>>

>> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

>> news:Oo7zLYj8HHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>

>>

>>

>>> The apple OS is much like Linux, Sun's Solaris is much like Linux, so

>>> although they will not directly be about to support free Linux there is

>>> a user base out there, which from a learning curve point of view is not

>>> insignificant.

>>

>> The Apple OS is nothing like Linux.. its based on FreeBSD so there is no

>> Linux in the Apple OS at all.

>>

>> Sun Solaris has a kernel similar to Linux.. not really surprising as

>> Solaris is based on SVR5 and Linus copied its predecesor to make Linux.

>> However the structure and resource management in Solaris is way ahead of

>> Linux as is its security model, the kernel is compartmentalised as

>> required by the DoD unlike Linux.

>>

>> BTW you can get Solaris free from

>> http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/get.jsp if you want to see a Linux

>> killer.

>

>

> I tried solaris 10, and linux is much more user friendly I find.

>

 

If you already know Linux then it will be more user friendly.. you get that

with all sorts of things including Macs, windows, calculators, cars, web

sites, etc. The trouble is the users never look at it from the point of view

of a new user so they never actually know if its user friendly they just

assume, often wrongly, that it is. Unless the manufacturer is prepared to

run trials with new users they can never be sure its user friendly which is

where open source can fall down.. they get all their feedback from existing

users and not from people that are newbies. So while I accept that you think

Linux is user friendly I will reserve judgment on that until someone

demonstrates that it actually is. Certainly when I went from SVR5 to Linux I

didn't think it was user friendly as everything was different (ps produced

different output and had different modifiers for instance).

Aside from the recent problem with the WGA server, a problem which was

sorted very quickly but didn't appear so because reports of failure came in

over the period of a few days, can you find figures showing that the

majority of Vista/XP users have been adversely affected by WPA/WGA? I doubt

it somehow because, in all probability, the majority of users are not

affected.

 

I have had to use the WPA call on maybe four occasions in the course of my

work, all XP related, and have had to use it once for myself after a new

hard drive, freshly installed, failed after three days of use, forcing a

re-install onto another drive. How many times have you had to use the

service?

 

Did I see it as an affront to my honesty, or the honesty of my local

clients? Nope, just MS trying to protect themselves from the huge piracy

mess that was Win 'all versions up to and including 2000 Pro'.

 

I will readily admit that people who once distributed one CD and one product

code across an entire school, campus or sub-division may well be annoyed

that their bid to gain friends has been curtailed, but the rule has always

been one product code on one computer, and we all knew/know that.

 

The pricing of Vista is a little steep, but even if MS charged $1, there

would be some people trying to get around paying it. That is the nature of

some people.

 

We have no rights to expect Windows to be free, or for that matter anything

else unless it is clearly labeled as such. I think it is sad that we have to

go above and beyond to protect what is ours these days from certain members

of society, but I will be told 'get used to it'. The pirates are hearing an

echo now

 

The worst part of having to police in this way is that the occasional

innocent person is mistakenly targeted. The pirates see it as collateral

damage 'oh dear', but why should they care.They have what they want, and the

rest of us are left paying the price.

 

 

"The poster formerly known as the poster formerly known as Nina DiBoy"

<nonee@none.not> wrote in message news:fc2f47$r4k$1@aioe.org...

> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

> <snips>

>>

>> It is only hobbyists and 'upgraders' who are badly affected by Vista

>> pricing.. OEM system buyers are not, and they get a free printer..

>>

> <snippage>

>

> From the mouth of an MVP...

> I don't believe it!

> Thanks for being honest Mike, but don't you mean price and WPA/WGA/N of

> vista?

>

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> creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country. Consumer

> rights in the digital age are not frivolous."

> - Maura Corbett

 

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Bullwinkle wrote:

>"Frank Kirk" wrote:

>>

>> dont.pullout@yahoo.com wrote:

>>>

>>> So why the hell is Linux's desktop useage hovering around 1 percent?

>>> Why does Microsoft still have 95 to 98 percent of the market?

>>

>> Because 95 to 98 percent of the people are incapable of thinking for

>> themselves?

>

>I suppose you would rather have folks play with computers rather than use

>them for constructive purposes such as business or communication. You want

>to be able to get into the systems and play with that rather than use the

>system for what it was intended.

>

>Good luck and have a good time and let us get along with our work.

 

You've got the right attitude. "What, me worry?", as Micro$oft wraps

it's tentacles around your data and snuffs-out all potential

competitors...

"Gregory Shearman" <ZekeGregory@netscape.net> wrote in message

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> Sven Geier wrote:

>

>> dont.pullout@yahoo.com wrote:

>>

>>> Linux is free.

>>> Windows is not.

>>> Linux has been free for a long time while Microsoft stagnated with

>>> Windows XP.

>>> Linux is free.

>> [...]

>>>

>>> Why?

>>

>> 1) You may be mistaken with the "windows costs money" line of reasoning.

>> See right here: http://articles.tlug.jp/Windows_Is_Free

>>

>> 2) The wife just bought a laptop. It came with Windows on it. It just

>> works. Why would she go to the trouble of erasing a perfectly functioning

>> OS just to install another one? The apps that she likes (like OpenOffice

>> or Firefox) can be downloaded for Windows just as well as for Linux. What

>> motivation would she have to "switch"?

>>

>>

>> Just thinking out loud here...

>

> What happens when she needs an upgrade of her hardware? Will Windows allow

> her to do it without invalidating her install?

>

 

An install is not invalidated. The activation status is changed.

Reactivating fixes the problem.

> How long will her system run without an re-install or even a reboot?

 

I have two computers that have been running Vista since the RTM was released

with no re-installs. I have had many XP and Server 2000/2003 computers that

went many years with no re-installs. I don't see any reason that Vista will

be any different. In this day of everything and everyone going green I turn

off my computers when not in use so I'm not sure how long Vista can go

without a reboot. I have had servers that only need a reboot after an update

that requires one. I had one Windows 2003 server that was not connected to

the Internet that went well over a year without a reboot.

>

> Stability, security, freedom.

>

 

So far for me Vista has been both stable and secure. I don't know what

freedom means in the context of an OS. Maybe you could explain this.

 

--

Kerry Brown

Microsoft MVP - Shell/User

http://www.vistahelp.ca

chrisv wrote:

> Bullwinkle wrote:

>

>> "Frank Kirk" wrote:

>>>

>>> dont.pullout@yahoo.com wrote:

>>>>

>>>> So why the hell is Linux's desktop useage hovering around 1

>>>> percent? Why does Microsoft still have 95 to 98 percent of the

>>>> market?

>>>

>>> Because 95 to 98 percent of the people are incapable of thinking for

>>> themselves?

>>

>> I suppose you would rather have folks play with computers rather

>> than use them for constructive purposes such as business or

>> communication. You want to be able to get into the systems and play

>> with that rather than use the system for what it was intended.

>>

>> Good luck and have a good time and let us get along with our work.

>

> You've got the right attitude. "What, me worry?", as Micro$oft wraps

> it's tentacles around your data and snuffs-out all potential

> competitors...

 

That is utopia.

some idiot forging chrisv wrote:

>chrisv wrote:

>>

>> You've got the right attitude. "What, me worry?", as Micro$oft wraps

>> it's tentacles around your data and snuffs-out all potential

>> competitors...

>

>That is utopia.

 

Of course it is! After all, why would anyone want to option of using

an operating system other than what Micro$oft chooses to provide?

After all, the Micro$oft operating systems are perfect in every way,

for every PC user on the planet. They strike a perfect compromise

between power/flexability and ease-of-use. They provide the optimal

and indisputably fair balance between the rights of consumer and

protection of intellectual property. Upgrades and redesigns are

perfectly timed and executed. The security models are flawless. They

are even priced perfectly.

chrisv wrote:

> some idiot forging chrisv wrote:

>

>> chrisv wrote:

>>>

>>> You've got the right attitude. "What, me worry?", as Micro$oft

>>> wraps it's tentacles around your data and snuffs-out all potential

>>> competitors...

>>

>> That is utopia.

>

> Of course it is! After all, why would anyone want to option of using

> an operating system other than what Micro$oft chooses to provide?

> After all, the Micro$oft operating systems are perfect in every way,

> for every PC user on the planet. They strike a perfect compromise

> between power/flexability and ease-of-use. They provide the optimal

> and indisputably fair balance between the rights of consumer and

> protection of intellectual property. Upgrades and redesigns are

> perfectly timed and executed. The security models are flawless. They

> are even priced perfectly.

 

I don't think I could have said it better. Thanks for that insightful

opinion.

some idiot forging chrisv wrote:

>chrisv wrote:

>> some idiot forging chrisv wrote:

>>> chrisv wrote:

>>>>

>>>> You've got the right attitude. "What, me worry?", as Micro$oft

>>>> wraps it's tentacles around your data and snuffs-out all potential

>>>> competitors...

>>>

>>> That is utopia.

>>

>> Of course it is! After all, why would anyone want to option of using

>> an operating system other than what Micro$oft chooses to provide?

>> After all, the Micro$oft operating systems are perfect in every way,

>> for every PC user on the planet. They strike a perfect compromise

>> between power/flexability and ease-of-use. They provide the optimal

>> and indisputably fair balance between the rights of consumer and

>> protection of intellectual property. Upgrades and redesigns are

>> perfectly timed and executed. The security models are flawless. They

>> are even priced perfectly.

>

>I don't think I could have said it better.

 

Of course you couldn't. You're me.

>Thanks for that insightful opinion.

 

*plonk*

Charlie Tame wrote:

>

> I am a Microsoft MVP not a "Linux Person" but

<snip>

 

Wow, I never would have guessed! For how long now? :)

 

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dennis@home wrote:

>

> "The poster formerly known as the poster formerly known as Nina DiBoy"

> <nonee@none.not> wrote in message news:fc2fem$r4k$4@aioe.org...

>> dennis@home wrote:

>>>

>>> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

>>> news:Oo7zLYj8HHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>> The apple OS is much like Linux, Sun's Solaris is much like Linux,

>>>> so although they will not directly be about to support free Linux

>>>> there is a user base out there, which from a learning curve point of

>>>> view is not insignificant.

>>>

>>> The Apple OS is nothing like Linux.. its based on FreeBSD so there is

>>> no Linux in the Apple OS at all.

>>>

>>> Sun Solaris has a kernel similar to Linux.. not really surprising as

>>> Solaris is based on SVR5 and Linus copied its predecesor to make Linux.

>>> However the structure and resource management in Solaris is way ahead

>>> of Linux as is its security model, the kernel is compartmentalised as

>>> required by the DoD unlike Linux.

>>>

>>> BTW you can get Solaris free from

>>> http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/get.jsp if you want to see a

>>> Linux killer.

>>

>>

>> I tried solaris 10, and linux is much more user friendly I find.

>>

>

> If you already know Linux then it will be more user friendly.. you get

> that with all sorts of things including Macs, windows, calculators,

> cars, web sites, etc. The trouble is the users never look at it from the

> point of view of a new user so they never actually know if its user

> friendly they just assume, often wrongly, that it is. Unless the

> manufacturer is prepared to run trials with new users they can never be

> sure its user friendly which is where open source can fall down.. they

> get all their feedback from existing users and not from people that are

> newbies. So while I accept that you think Linux is user friendly I will

> reserve judgment on that until someone demonstrates that it actually is.

> Certainly when I went from SVR5 to Linux I didn't think it was user

> friendly as everything was different (ps produced different output and

> had different modifiers for instance).

 

Well, I use Fedora core which is not the most user-friendly distro out

there (ubuntu beats it hands down in gui ease of use, but I find fedora

infinately more 'unneutered' of features so to speak), but after

installing it, it boots to a gui (more like windows). When I installed

solaris 10 in a VM a few months ago, it boots to a command line in true

unix form and even though I tried directions from a number of sources

about how to get it to recognize commands, I had no luck what so ever,

so now I'm waiting for Sun to further the project of the more user

friendly open source solaris. I guess my point is that linux may not be

as user friendly as windows all the time, but it does excel in that area

compared to solaris and probably most other unixes.

 

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chrisv wrote:

> some idiot forging chrisv wrote:

>

>> chrisv wrote:

>>> some idiot forging chrisv wrote:

>>>> chrisv wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>> You've got the right attitude. "What, me worry?", as Micro$oft

>>>>> wraps it's tentacles around your data and snuffs-out all potential

>>>>> competitors...

>>>>

>>>> That is utopia.

>>>

>>> Of course it is! After all, why would anyone want to option of

>>> using an operating system other than what Micro$oft chooses to

>>> provide? After all, the Micro$oft operating systems are perfect in

>>> every way, for every PC user on the planet. They strike a perfect

>>> compromise between power/flexability and ease-of-use. They provide

>>> the optimal and indisputably fair balance between the rights of

>>> consumer and protection of intellectual property. Upgrades and

>>> redesigns are perfectly timed and executed. The security models

>>> are flawless. They are even priced perfectly.

>>

>> I don't think I could have said it better.

>

> Of course you couldn't. You're me.

 

Oh yeah, I forgot.

>

>> Thanks for that insightful opinion.

>

> *plonk*

 

*ouch*

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

> Aside from the recent problem with the WGA server, a problem which was

> sorted very quickly but didn't appear so because reports of failure came

> in over the period of a few days, can you find figures showing that the

> majority of Vista/XP users have been adversely affected by WPA/WGA? I

> doubt it somehow because, in all probability, the majority of users are

> not affected.

>

> I have had to use the WPA call on maybe four occasions in the course of

> my work, all XP related, and have had to use it once for myself after a

> new hard drive, freshly installed, failed after three days of use,

> forcing a re-install onto another drive. How many times have you had to

> use the service?

 

Wait until you start using Vista, I think you'll have alot more problems

with it.

>

> Did I see it as an affront to my honesty, or the honesty of my local

> clients? Nope, just MS trying to protect themselves from the huge piracy

> mess that was Win 'all versions up to and including 2000 Pro'.

>

> I will readily admit that people who once distributed one CD and one

> product code across an entire school, campus or sub-division may well be

> annoyed that their bid to gain friends has been curtailed, but the rule

> has always been one product code on one computer, and we all knew/know

> that.

>

> The pricing of Vista is a little steep,

 

Try very steep!

> but even if MS charged $1, there

> would be some people trying to get around paying it. That is the nature

> of some people.

>

> We have no rights to expect Windows to be free,

 

Agreed, never expected that.

> or for that matter

> anything else unless it is clearly labeled as such. I think it is sad

> that we have to go above and beyond to protect what is ours these days

> from certain members of society,

 

Me too, like paying customers protecting what they purchased (windows)

from MS's buggy DRM.

> but I will be told 'get used to it'.

 

Yes, and you will also be told to bend over like all the rest of the

paying customers.

> The pirates are hearing an echo now

>

> The worst part of having to police in this way is that the occasional

> innocent person is mistakenly targeted. The pirates see it as collateral

> damage 'oh dear', but why should they care.They have what they want, and

> the rest of us are left paying the price.

 

Right, and none of this DRM from MS for windows does crap to stop the

pirates.

>

> "The poster formerly known as the poster formerly known as Nina DiBoy"

> <nonee@none.not> wrote in message news:fc2f47$r4k$1@aioe.org...

>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>> <snips>

>>>

>>> It is only hobbyists and 'upgraders' who are badly affected by Vista

>>> pricing.. OEM system buyers are not, and they get a free printer..

>>>

>> <snippage>

>>

>> From the mouth of an MVP...

>> I don't believe it!

>> Thanks for being honest Mike, but don't you mean price and WPA/WGA/N

>> of vista?

>>

 

 

 

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free speech rights under the First Amendment and is a cornerstone of the

creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country. Consumer

rights in the digital age are not frivolous."

- Maura Corbett