On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 10:09:02 -0700, Frank <fb@nospan.crm> wrote:

>Adam Albright wrote:

>

>>

>> Based on following this group for nine months I KNOW how stupid some

>> of the posters are.

>

>You're at the top of that list.

> No doubt about it.

>>

>> BTW, the "most people" excuse is greatly over used by fanboys here. I

>> guess they don't like a taste of their own medicine.

>

>How do you like it?

>>

>> Based on you non stop whining since arriving here watch your mailbox.

>> I'm sure your official "I'm a Vista fanboy" membership card will be

>> arriving soon.

>

>You've completely worn out the "I'm a Vista fanboy" retort.

>Try something else, as that like (lie) ain't working.

>Frank

 

Me showing what a total ass, liar and fool you always are works fine.

Adam Albright wrote:

> On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 10:09:02 -0700, Frank <fb@nospan.crm> wrote:

>

>

>>Adam Albright wrote:

>>

>>

>>>Based on following this group for nine months I KNOW how stupid some

>>>of the posters are.

>>

>>You're at the top of that list.

>> No doubt about it.

>>

>>>BTW, the "most people" excuse is greatly over used by fanboys here. I

>>>guess they don't like a taste of their own medicine.

>>

>>How do you like it?

>>

>>>Based on you non stop whining since arriving here watch your mailbox.

>>>I'm sure your official "I'm a Vista fanboy" membership card will be

>>>arriving soon.

>>

>>You've completely worn out the "I'm a Vista fanboy" retort.

>>Try something else, as that like (lie) ain't working.

>>Frank

>

>

> Me showing what a total ass, liar and fool you always are works fine.

>

 

You're fukkin drunk again aren't you?

Idiot!

Frank

On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 11:24:14 -0700, Frank <fb@nospan.crm> wrote:

>Adam Albright wrote:

>

>> On Sun, 9 Sep 2007 09:19:09 -0500, "Jackson Brown" <jb@att.net> wrote:

>>

>>

>>

>>>Just how much difference do you think there is between those 'Vista fanboys'

>>>you seem so contemptous of and those 'anti-MS fanboys'

>>

>>

>> Night and day, black and white, right and wrong. Need more examples,

>> just ask.

>

>Bullsh*t! You're one arrogantly stupid big mouth lying as*hole!

 

You forgot to add "this is a recording".

 

You've posted the same crap hundreds of times. That proves one thing.

You're just some clueless idiot that can't even come up with original

insults. Frank the Putz. World class moron, liar and doofus.

 

Isn't time you try to sell you were an engineer and you build

hardware? Come on, I love to rub your nose in your lies.

On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 13:23:06 -0700, Frank <fb@nospan.crm> wrote:

>Adam Albright wrote:

>

>> On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 10:09:02 -0700, Frank <fb@nospan.crm> wrote:

>>

>>

>>>Adam Albright wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>>>Based on following this group for nine months I KNOW how stupid some

>>>>of the posters are.

>>>

>>>You're at the top of that list.

>>> No doubt about it.

>>>

>>>>BTW, the "most people" excuse is greatly over used by fanboys here. I

>>>>guess they don't like a taste of their own medicine.

>>>

>>>How do you like it?

>>>

>>>>Based on you non stop whining since arriving here watch your mailbox.

>>>>I'm sure your official "I'm a Vista fanboy" membership card will be

>>>>arriving soon.

>>>

>>>You've completely worn out the "I'm a Vista fanboy" retort.

>>>Try something else, as that like (lie) ain't working.

>>>Frank

>>

>>

>> Me showing what a total ass, liar and fool you always are works fine.

>>

>

>You're fukkin drunk again aren't you?

>Idiot!

>Frank

 

Frank's sexual partner:

 

http://www.euratlas.com/Atlas/greece/donkey.jpg

Adam Albright wrote:

> On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 11:24:14 -0700, Frank <fb@nospan.crm> wrote:

>

>

>>Adam Albright wrote:

>>

>>

>>>On Sun, 9 Sep 2007 09:19:09 -0500, "Jackson Brown" <jb@att.net> wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>>Just how much difference do you think there is between those 'Vista fanboys'

>>>>you seem so contemptous of and those 'anti-MS fanboys'

>>>

>>>

>>>Night and day, black and white, right and wrong. Need more examples,

>>>just ask.

>>

>>Bullsh*t! You're one arrogantly stupid big mouth lying as*hole!

>

>

> You forgot to add "this is a recording".

>

> You've posted the same crap hundreds of times. That proves one thing.

> You're just some clueless idiot that can't even come up with original

> insults. Frank the Putz. World class moron, liar and doofus.

>

> Isn't time you try to sell you were an engineer and you build

> hardware? Come on, I love to rub your nose in your lies.

>

 

You're beyond stupid, you ignorant lying drunk!

Frank

Adam Albright wrote:

> On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 13:23:06 -0700, Frank <fb@nospan.crm> wrote:

>

>

>>Adam Albright wrote:

>>

>>

>>>On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 10:09:02 -0700, Frank <fb@nospan.crm> wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>>Adam Albright wrote:

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>Based on following this group for nine months I KNOW how stupid some

>>>>>of the posters are.

>>>>

>>>>You're at the top of that list.

>>>>No doubt about it.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>BTW, the "most people" excuse is greatly over used by fanboys here. I

>>>>>guess they don't like a taste of their own medicine.

>>>>

>>>>How do you like it?

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>Based on you non stop whining since arriving here watch your mailbox.

>>>>>I'm sure your official "I'm a Vista fanboy" membership card will be

>>>>>arriving soon.

>>>>

>>>>You've completely worn out the "I'm a Vista fanboy" retort.

>>>>Try something else, as that like (lie) ain't working.

>>>>Frank

>>>

>>>

>>>Me showing what a total ass, liar and fool you always are works fine.

>>>

>>

>>You're fukkin drunk again aren't you?

>>Idiot!

>>Frank

>

>

> Frank's sexual partner:

>

> http://www.euratlas.com/Atlas/greece/donkey.jpg

>

 

hehehe...nice pic of your wife, right?

Frank

Jupiter Jones [MVP] [sat, 8 Sep 2007 16:32:33 -0600] wrote:

>Marco

>"but where are the *real* statistics"

>Many time there are specific statistics posted but no one has been

>able to give a source Other than their personal experience with

>themselves, family or businesses that is.

>And those experiences are to small to be statistically relevant.

 

Yes, like that self-professed expert, who came dancing into this group a

couple of days ago, expressing only his own opinions.

>"the fabricated ones"

>What some need when facts either do not exist or they contradict what

>is desired.

 

Well, there are so may different interest groups out there, which want

to catch other people using statistics that will favor only their own

personal causes.

What exactly does Microsoft mean, when they say that they have sold 40

Million Vista copies?

Does that mean that there are actually 40 Million end users enjoying the

use of the Vista OS?

 

Marco

On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 13:40:57 -0700, Frank <fb@nospan.crm> wrote:

>Adam Albright wrote:

>

>> On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 11:24:14 -0700, Frank <fb@nospan.crm> wrote:

>>

>>

>>>Adam Albright wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>>>On Sun, 9 Sep 2007 09:19:09 -0500, "Jackson Brown" <jb@att.net> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>Just how much difference do you think there is between those 'Vista fanboys'

>>>>>you seem so contemptous of and those 'anti-MS fanboys'

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>Night and day, black and white, right and wrong. Need more examples,

>>>>just ask.

>>>

>>>Bullsh*t! You're one arrogantly stupid big mouth lying as*hole!

>>

>>

>> You forgot to add "this is a recording".

>>

>> You've posted the same crap hundreds of times. That proves one thing.

>> You're just some clueless idiot that can't even come up with original

>> insults. Frank the Putz. World class moron, liar and doofus.

>>

>> Isn't time you try to sell you were an engineer and you build

>> hardware? Come on, I love to rub your nose in your lies.

>>

>

>You're beyond stupid, you ignorant lying drunk!

>Frank

 

LOL! All wound up again Frank? And you wonder why I call you a putz.

Marco

"...they say that they have sold 40 Million Vista copies?"

Exactly that, no more, no less.

Microsoft has sold, that says nothing about how many are in use.

That includes OEM and retail.

 

But then you can add the pirates which account for many users.

Perhaps there are more than "40 Million" satisfied user.

Very probably impossible to prove either way since some of those

statistics are virtually impossible to get.

 

I have no idea if that number includes TechNet or MSDN subscriptions.

If it does, is MSDN counted as one or ten since ten installations are

permitted under the Master EULA.

My guess is no, but that is just a guess.

 

There are almost certainly less than "40 Million" since some prefer

another operating system.

Numbers are used all over the place and Microsoft definitely has no

monopoly on using numbers to serve marketing.

 

There are more computer users now compared to 6 years ago when Windows

XP was released so that is another of many factors that need to be

considered if accurate estimates are to be found.

 

--

Jupiter Jones [MVP]

http://www3.telus.net/dandemar

http://www.dts-l.org

 

 

"Marco Desloovere" <marco_desloovere@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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> Jupiter Jones [MVP] [sat, 8 Sep 2007 16:32:33 -0600] wrote:

>

>>Marco

>>"but where are the *real* statistics"

>>Many time there are specific statistics posted but no one has been

>>able to give a source Other than their personal experience with

>>themselves, family or businesses that is.

>>And those experiences are to small to be statistically relevant.

>

> Yes, like that self-professed expert, who came dancing into this

> group a

> couple of days ago, expressing only his own opinions.

>

>>"the fabricated ones"

>>What some need when facts either do not exist or they contradict

>>what

>>is desired.

>

> Well, there are so may different interest groups out there, which

> want

> to catch other people using statistics that will favor only their

> own

> personal causes.

> What exactly does Microsoft mean, when they say that they have sold

> 40

> Million Vista copies?

> Does that mean that there are actually 40 Million end users enjoying

> the

> use of the Vista OS?

>

> Marco

"Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

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> Lang Murphy wrote:

>> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

>> news:uFN1TFi8HHA.600@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>> Lang Murphy wrote:

>>>> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

>>>> news:O81Kqrc8HHA.980@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>>> Lang Murphy wrote:

>>>>>> "La Poste" <jean.lavie@laposte.net> wrote in message

>>>>>> news:eKBfydN8HHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>>>>>> Greetings from (old) Europe

>>>>>>> It's in a way very strange from this side of the Atlantic ocean to

>>>>>>> see how people are insulting each other (Kevin is an idiot, Bill is

>>>>>>> a blockhead, Tom is a paranoiac of a kind or something else, and so

>>>>>>> on Vista is a bucket of crap...)

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Vista is not problem-free, no doubt. Whether it deserves the derision

>>>>>> it receives in this ng is a question I believe neither you or I can

>>>>>> answer. (Although I'm sure those who deride it regularly will respond

>>>>>> in the expected fashion.) I recently started reading the posts in

>>>>>> comp.sys.mac.system because I plan on buying a Mac when Leopard is

>>>>>> released, and there are plenty of flamewars in that ng too. Exactly

>>>>>> the same type of back-and-forths as in this ng a small number of

>>>>>> people who apparently hate each other. Lovely.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> As far as I am concerned, I did not come across any serious issue

>>>>>>> with Vista that could not find quickly a solution.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Same here. The only serious issue I have with Vista is its

>>>>>> ridiculously slow file copies. If that's not fixed with SP1, I will

>>>>>> be seriously disenchanted. (Pun intended...)

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> My question is: why such a fuss against Vista? It may not be the

>>>>>>> best OS in the world (which one is?) but it works.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> There are numerous reasons folks protest so loudly against Vista.

>>>>>> They hate MS. They are either supremely bummed or gleeful over the

>>>>>> fact that the Vista that was unleashed upon the public was missing

>>>>>> some major pieces that MS claimed would be there and are not. They

>>>>>> did upgrades instead of clean installs. They did no due diligence

>>>>>> regarding whether their PC would run Vista acceptably. They bought a

>>>>>> Home Basic system that came with 512MB RAM, the minimum amount of RAM

>>>>>> claimed by MS (which is really unfortunate, because MS has always,

>>>>>> and I do mean always, understated the minimum requirements for their

>>>>>> OS's... those "in the know," IT professionals and savvy PC users,

>>>>>> have known for years that the minimum reqs are BS. I think the same

>>>>>> applies to Macs.). They purchased a Vista system from an OEM that

>>>>>> shipped systems with device drivers and crapware that weren't really

>>>>>> Vista ready. Not all 3rd party Vista device drivers are mature and do

>>>>>> cause problems. They just like to bitch. I'm sure there are many

>>>>>> more. And I'm sure we'll hear about it.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Do the guys yelling that Vista is a pile of crap, bother to tweak

>>>>>>> around and fix their machines?

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Some do, some don't. There are folks in here that holler that Vista

>>>>>> is a POS and they either don't use it or have never touched a PC

>>>>>> running Vista. There are folks in here that holler about Vista and

>>>>>> then turn around and admit they're not having any problems on their

>>>>>> system. Go figure.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Honestly, it's a mystery to me.

>>>>>>> I'm not a Bill G.'s fan, but to speak the truth, Vista works with no

>>>>>>> problem on my machine.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Bill Gates caught the Golden Ring on the Merry Go Round of computers.

>>>>>> I'm ambivalient about the guy but I will say he's probably donated

>>>>>> more money to charities than I would make in two or three or twenty

>>>>>> lifetimes. It would be interesting, to me anyway, to know how much

>>>>>> money Steve Jobs has donated to charities.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Vista has worked, relatively problem free, for me on five different

>>>>>> hardware platforms. I have PC's running XP Home, XP MCE, and Ubuntu

>>>>>> here and I prefer Vista over those OS's. One can only assume that

>>>>>> Vista will continue to improve and the complaints that XP is more

>>>>>> stable will recede far sooner than the complaints about XP's

>>>>>> stability prior to the release of XPSP2.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Shall I go and see a psy something?

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Only if you take to heart the forthcoming insults from those who

>>>>>> disagree with you.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Lang

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> There are some legitimate grievances about Vista, some of which you

>>>>> state because they are fairly common to users of the OS and some you

>>>>> have not mentioned but which are grievances to "Some" users because of

>>>>> their own specific needs or preferences, however suggesting that "All"

>>>>> criticism is blind hate is entirely incorrect and that is clearly the

>>>>> impression that some here like to try and create. That suggestion is

>>>>> as negative for the group as anything the so called "Haters" post. It

>>>>> simply encourages argument and helps nobody.

>>>>>

>>>>> I hope the file problem gets sorted out too, and quickly. I think it

>>>>> is pretty silly for MS to release something as obviously flawed as

>>>>> part of a "Flagship" OS.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Good points. This ng certainly does get it's share of the two extremes,

>>>> although I do think the "haters" are the more disruptive group. And

>>>> then there are the "hater-haters." LOL. I'm getting off that bus, i.e.,

>>>> engaging those unproductive insult-a-thons by fanboi's and fantiboi's.

>>>>

>>>> Lang

>>>

>>>

>>> Hehe, well there's a limit to how much time one has and frankly if any

>>> of these people actually did anything with their machines except post in

>>> newsgroups they might get a better perspective on the OS in question.

>>

>>

>> Fully concur. It's just an OS, dammit! -)

>>

>> Lang

>

>

> Well unfortunately my time seems to evaporate too quickly to follow up any

> user questions properly, and I think it's worse in many cases to start a

> response and then vanish for a day or two which work sometimes causes me

> to do.

>

> I did have one useful experience tonight though, I generally recommend

> that NVidia drivers are installed separately from MS update because of the

> need (Used to be) to reboot twice blah blah blah...

>

> Anyway I was doing an overdue update session and was offered a network

> driver and Video driver (7600) so I thought what the hell and did the

> network driver first then the Video driver completely on it's one after a

> reboot. 100 succesful and it does actually seem to have improved

> performance. That a 64 bit Vista verson.

>

> So I thought okay and went to my other 64 bit Vista install and found a

> driver for 7950 card... same with that and it too seems to have done the

> trick, no nightmares and at first sight performance seems to have

> improved.

>

> So at least if nothing else is running it seems quite safe to let MS

> update do NVidia drivers now, or I was just lucky.

>

> That should help a lot of people if my initial observations are correct

> ... if :)

 

 

Well... always "if," right? Not just Vista but all OS's, methinks.

 

And as to your news on the vid driver updates... it's a shame that's buried

down in this thread... seems like top level material to me. Thanks for

posting it.

 

Lang

Jupiter Jones [MVP] [sun, 9 Sep 2007 17:53:07 -0600] wrote:

>Marco

>"...they say that they have sold 40 Million Vista copies?"

>Exactly that, no more, no less.

>Microsoft has sold, that says nothing about how many are in use.

>That includes OEM and retail.

 

Well, there you go. These are also statistics, and they are distorting

the truth, because they aim to give the impression that there are

actually 40 million real users implied.

>But then you can add the pirates which account for many users.

>Perhaps there are more than "40 Million" satisfied user.

>Very probably impossible to prove either way since some of those

>statistics are virtually impossible to get.

 

Thus, these "users" would certainly not be included in the 40 million

copies sold.

>There are almost certainly less than "40 Million" since some prefer

>another operating system.

>Numbers are used all over the place and Microsoft definitely has no

>monopoly on using numbers to serve marketing.

 

That's right, Microsoft can't fool their users anymore. -)

 

Marco

"Marco Desloovere" <marco_desloovere@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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> Jupiter Jones [MVP] [sun, 9 Sep 2007 17:53:07 -0600] wrote:

>

>

> That's right, Microsoft can't fool their users anymore. -)

>

> Marco

 

That's been the case for a long long time. And that's why people still use

Windows.

 

Saucy

Lang Murphy wrote:

> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

> news:O8fjb4r8HHA.4612@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>> Lang Murphy wrote:

>>> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

>>> news:uFN1TFi8HHA.600@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>> Lang Murphy wrote:

>>>>> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

>>>>> news:O81Kqrc8HHA.980@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>>>> Lang Murphy wrote:

>>>>>>> "La Poste" <jean.lavie@laposte.net> wrote in message

>>>>>>> news:eKBfydN8HHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>>>>>>> Greetings from (old) Europe

>>>>>>>> It's in a way very strange from this side of the Atlantic ocean

>>>>>>>> to see how people are insulting each other (Kevin is an idiot,

>>>>>>>> Bill is a blockhead, Tom is a paranoiac of a kind or something

>>>>>>>> else, and so on Vista is a bucket of crap...)

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Vista is not problem-free, no doubt. Whether it deserves the

>>>>>>> derision it receives in this ng is a question I believe neither

>>>>>>> you or I can answer. (Although I'm sure those who deride it

>>>>>>> regularly will respond in the expected fashion.) I recently

>>>>>>> started reading the posts in comp.sys.mac.system because I plan

>>>>>>> on buying a Mac when Leopard is released, and there are plenty of

>>>>>>> flamewars in that ng too. Exactly the same type of

>>>>>>> back-and-forths as in this ng a small number of people who

>>>>>>> apparently hate each other. Lovely.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> As far as I am concerned, I did not come across any serious

>>>>>>>> issue with Vista that could not find quickly a solution.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Same here. The only serious issue I have with Vista is its

>>>>>>> ridiculously slow file copies. If that's not fixed with SP1, I

>>>>>>> will be seriously disenchanted. (Pun intended...)

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> My question is: why such a fuss against Vista? It may not be the

>>>>>>>> best OS in the world (which one is?) but it works.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> There are numerous reasons folks protest so loudly against Vista.

>>>>>>> They hate MS. They are either supremely bummed or gleeful over

>>>>>>> the fact that the Vista that was unleashed upon the public was

>>>>>>> missing some major pieces that MS claimed would be there and are

>>>>>>> not. They did upgrades instead of clean installs. They did no due

>>>>>>> diligence regarding whether their PC would run Vista acceptably.

>>>>>>> They bought a Home Basic system that came with 512MB RAM, the

>>>>>>> minimum amount of RAM claimed by MS (which is really unfortunate,

>>>>>>> because MS has always, and I do mean always, understated the

>>>>>>> minimum requirements for their OS's... those "in the know," IT

>>>>>>> professionals and savvy PC users, have known for years that the

>>>>>>> minimum reqs are BS. I think the same applies to Macs.). They

>>>>>>> purchased a Vista system from an OEM that shipped systems with

>>>>>>> device drivers and crapware that weren't really Vista ready. Not

>>>>>>> all 3rd party Vista device drivers are mature and do cause

>>>>>>> problems. They just like to bitch. I'm sure there are many more.

>>>>>>> And I'm sure we'll hear about it.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Do the guys yelling that Vista is a pile of crap, bother to

>>>>>>>> tweak around and fix their machines?

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Some do, some don't. There are folks in here that holler that

>>>>>>> Vista is a POS and they either don't use it or have never touched

>>>>>>> a PC running Vista. There are folks in here that holler about

>>>>>>> Vista and then turn around and admit they're not having any

>>>>>>> problems on their system. Go figure.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Honestly, it's a mystery to me.

>>>>>>>> I'm not a Bill G.'s fan, but to speak the truth, Vista works

>>>>>>>> with no problem on my machine.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Bill Gates caught the Golden Ring on the Merry Go Round of

>>>>>>> computers. I'm ambivalient about the guy but I will say he's

>>>>>>> probably donated more money to charities than I would make in two

>>>>>>> or three or twenty lifetimes. It would be interesting, to me

>>>>>>> anyway, to know how much money Steve Jobs has donated to charities.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Vista has worked, relatively problem free, for me on five

>>>>>>> different hardware platforms. I have PC's running XP Home, XP

>>>>>>> MCE, and Ubuntu here and I prefer Vista over those OS's. One can

>>>>>>> only assume that Vista will continue to improve and the

>>>>>>> complaints that XP is more stable will recede far sooner than the

>>>>>>> complaints about XP's stability prior to the release of XPSP2.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Shall I go and see a psy something?

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Only if you take to heart the forthcoming insults from those who

>>>>>>> disagree with you.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Lang

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> There are some legitimate grievances about Vista, some of which

>>>>>> you state because they are fairly common to users of the OS and

>>>>>> some you have not mentioned but which are grievances to "Some"

>>>>>> users because of their own specific needs or preferences, however

>>>>>> suggesting that "All" criticism is blind hate is entirely

>>>>>> incorrect and that is clearly the impression that some here like

>>>>>> to try and create. That suggestion is as negative for the group as

>>>>>> anything the so called "Haters" post. It simply encourages

>>>>>> argument and helps nobody.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I hope the file problem gets sorted out too, and quickly. I think

>>>>>> it is pretty silly for MS to release something as obviously flawed

>>>>>> as part of a "Flagship" OS.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Good points. This ng certainly does get it's share of the two

>>>>> extremes, although I do think the "haters" are the more disruptive

>>>>> group. And then there are the "hater-haters." LOL. I'm getting off

>>>>> that bus, i.e., engaging those unproductive insult-a-thons by

>>>>> fanboi's and fantiboi's.

>>>>>

>>>>> Lang

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Hehe, well there's a limit to how much time one has and frankly if

>>>> any of these people actually did anything with their machines except

>>>> post in newsgroups they might get a better perspective on the OS in

>>>> question.

>>>

>>>

>>> Fully concur. It's just an OS, dammit! -)

>>>

>>> Lang

>>

>>

>> Well unfortunately my time seems to evaporate too quickly to follow up

>> any user questions properly, and I think it's worse in many cases to

>> start a response and then vanish for a day or two which work sometimes

>> causes me to do.

>>

>> I did have one useful experience tonight though, I generally recommend

>> that NVidia drivers are installed separately from MS update because of

>> the need (Used to be) to reboot twice blah blah blah...

>>

>> Anyway I was doing an overdue update session and was offered a network

>> driver and Video driver (7600) so I thought what the hell and did the

>> network driver first then the Video driver completely on it's one

>> after a reboot. 100 succesful and it does actually seem to have

>> improved performance. That a 64 bit Vista verson.

>>

>> So I thought okay and went to my other 64 bit Vista install and found

>> a driver for 7950 card... same with that and it too seems to have done

>> the trick, no nightmares and at first sight performance seems to have

>> improved.

>>

>> So at least if nothing else is running it seems quite safe to let MS

>> update do NVidia drivers now, or I was just lucky.

>>

>> That should help a lot of people if my initial observations are

>> correct ... if :)

>

>

> Well... always "if," right? Not just Vista but all OS's, methinks.

>

> And as to your news on the vid driver updates... it's a shame that's

> buried down in this thread... seems like top level material to me.

> Thanks for posting it.

>

> Lang

 

 

Feel free to post it somewhere if you can find anywhere it won't

immediately get swamped :)

 

I know the advice has always been to install NVidia drivers manually and

I have had problems even with that in the past, and that includes

removing the old drivers first, but this appears at least to have worked

as it should.

 

I still suggest remove old and install manually if you have the time but

oh well, maybe the did a new installer package for MS update site?

"Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

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> Lang Murphy wrote:

>> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

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>>> Lang Murphy wrote:

>>>> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

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>>>>> Lang Murphy wrote:

>>>>>> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

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>>>>>>> Lang Murphy wrote:

>>>>>>>> "La Poste" <jean.lavie@laposte.net> wrote in message

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>>>>>>>>> Greetings from (old) Europe

>>>>>>>>> It's in a way very strange from this side of the Atlantic ocean to

>>>>>>>>> see how people are insulting each other (Kevin is an idiot, Bill

>>>>>>>>> is a blockhead, Tom is a paranoiac of a kind or something else,

>>>>>>>>> and so on Vista is a bucket of crap...)

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Vista is not problem-free, no doubt. Whether it deserves the

>>>>>>>> derision it receives in this ng is a question I believe neither you

>>>>>>>> or I can answer. (Although I'm sure those who deride it regularly

>>>>>>>> will respond in the expected fashion.) I recently started reading

>>>>>>>> the posts in comp.sys.mac.system because I plan on buying a Mac

>>>>>>>> when Leopard is released, and there are plenty of flamewars in that

>>>>>>>> ng too. Exactly the same type of back-and-forths as in this ng a

>>>>>>>> small number of people who apparently hate each other. Lovely.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> As far as I am concerned, I did not come across any serious issue

>>>>>>>>> with Vista that could not find quickly a solution.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Same here. The only serious issue I have with Vista is its

>>>>>>>> ridiculously slow file copies. If that's not fixed with SP1, I will

>>>>>>>> be seriously disenchanted. (Pun intended...)

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> My question is: why such a fuss against Vista? It may not be the

>>>>>>>>> best OS in the world (which one is?) but it works.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> There are numerous reasons folks protest so loudly against Vista.

>>>>>>>> They hate MS. They are either supremely bummed or gleeful over the

>>>>>>>> fact that the Vista that was unleashed upon the public was missing

>>>>>>>> some major pieces that MS claimed would be there and are not. They

>>>>>>>> did upgrades instead of clean installs. They did no due diligence

>>>>>>>> regarding whether their PC would run Vista acceptably. They bought

>>>>>>>> a Home Basic system that came with 512MB RAM, the minimum amount of

>>>>>>>> RAM claimed by MS (which is really unfortunate, because MS has

>>>>>>>> always, and I do mean always, understated the minimum requirements

>>>>>>>> for their OS's... those "in the know," IT professionals and savvy

>>>>>>>> PC users, have known for years that the minimum reqs are BS. I

>>>>>>>> think the same applies to Macs.). They purchased a Vista system

>>>>>>>> from an OEM that shipped systems with device drivers and crapware

>>>>>>>> that weren't really Vista ready. Not all 3rd party Vista device

>>>>>>>> drivers are mature and do cause problems. They just like to bitch.

>>>>>>>> I'm sure there are many more. And I'm sure we'll hear about it.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Do the guys yelling that Vista is a pile of crap, bother to tweak

>>>>>>>>> around and fix their machines?

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Some do, some don't. There are folks in here that holler that Vista

>>>>>>>> is a POS and they either don't use it or have never touched a PC

>>>>>>>> running Vista. There are folks in here that holler about Vista and

>>>>>>>> then turn around and admit they're not having any problems on their

>>>>>>>> system. Go figure.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Honestly, it's a mystery to me.

>>>>>>>>> I'm not a Bill G.'s fan, but to speak the truth, Vista works with

>>>>>>>>> no problem on my machine.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Bill Gates caught the Golden Ring on the Merry Go Round of

>>>>>>>> computers. I'm ambivalient about the guy but I will say he's

>>>>>>>> probably donated more money to charities than I would make in two

>>>>>>>> or three or twenty lifetimes. It would be interesting, to me

>>>>>>>> anyway, to know how much money Steve Jobs has donated to charities.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Vista has worked, relatively problem free, for me on five different

>>>>>>>> hardware platforms. I have PC's running XP Home, XP MCE, and Ubuntu

>>>>>>>> here and I prefer Vista over those OS's. One can only assume that

>>>>>>>> Vista will continue to improve and the complaints that XP is more

>>>>>>>> stable will recede far sooner than the complaints about XP's

>>>>>>>> stability prior to the release of XPSP2.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Shall I go and see a psy something?

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Only if you take to heart the forthcoming insults from those who

>>>>>>>> disagree with you.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Lang

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> There are some legitimate grievances about Vista, some of which you

>>>>>>> state because they are fairly common to users of the OS and some you

>>>>>>> have not mentioned but which are grievances to "Some" users because

>>>>>>> of their own specific needs or preferences, however suggesting that

>>>>>>> "All" criticism is blind hate is entirely incorrect and that is

>>>>>>> clearly the impression that some here like to try and create. That

>>>>>>> suggestion is as negative for the group as anything the so called

>>>>>>> "Haters" post. It simply encourages argument and helps nobody.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I hope the file problem gets sorted out too, and quickly. I think it

>>>>>>> is pretty silly for MS to release something as obviously flawed as

>>>>>>> part of a "Flagship" OS.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Good points. This ng certainly does get it's share of the two

>>>>>> extremes, although I do think the "haters" are the more disruptive

>>>>>> group. And then there are the "hater-haters." LOL. I'm getting off

>>>>>> that bus, i.e., engaging those unproductive insult-a-thons by

>>>>>> fanboi's and fantiboi's.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Lang

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Hehe, well there's a limit to how much time one has and frankly if any

>>>>> of these people actually did anything with their machines except post

>>>>> in newsgroups they might get a better perspective on the OS in

>>>>> question.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Fully concur. It's just an OS, dammit! -)

>>>>

>>>> Lang

>>>

>>>

>>> Well unfortunately my time seems to evaporate too quickly to follow up

>>> any user questions properly, and I think it's worse in many cases to

>>> start a response and then vanish for a day or two which work sometimes

>>> causes me to do.

>>>

>>> I did have one useful experience tonight though, I generally recommend

>>> that NVidia drivers are installed separately from MS update because of

>>> the need (Used to be) to reboot twice blah blah blah...

>>>

>>> Anyway I was doing an overdue update session and was offered a network

>>> driver and Video driver (7600) so I thought what the hell and did the

>>> network driver first then the Video driver completely on it's one after

>>> a reboot. 100 succesful and it does actually seem to have improved

>>> performance. That a 64 bit Vista verson.

>>>

>>> So I thought okay and went to my other 64 bit Vista install and found a

>>> driver for 7950 card... same with that and it too seems to have done the

>>> trick, no nightmares and at first sight performance seems to have

>>> improved.

>>>

>>> So at least if nothing else is running it seems quite safe to let MS

>>> update do NVidia drivers now, or I was just lucky.

>>>

>>> That should help a lot of people if my initial observations are correct

>>> ... if :)

>>

>>

>> Well... always "if," right? Not just Vista but all OS's, methinks.

>>

>> And as to your news on the vid driver updates... it's a shame that's

>> buried down in this thread... seems like top level material to me. Thanks

>> for posting it.

>>

>> Lang

>

>

> Feel free to post it somewhere if you can find anywhere it won't

> immediately get swamped :)

>

> I know the advice has always been to install NVidia drivers manually and I

> have had problems even with that in the past, and that includes removing

> the old drivers first, but this appears at least to have worked as it

> should.

>

> I still suggest remove old and install manually if you have the time but

> oh well, maybe the did a new installer package for MS update site?

 

 

Heh, heh, heh... guess it'll remain buried in this thread! LOL!

 

Lang

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>> Lang Murphy wrote:

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>>>> Lang Murphy wrote:

>>>>> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

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>>>>>> Lang Murphy wrote:

>>>>>>> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

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>>>>>>>> Lang Murphy wrote:

>>>>>>>>> "La Poste" <jean.lavie@laposte.net> wrote in message

>>>>>>>>> news:eKBfydN8HHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>>>>>>>>> Greetings from (old) Europe

> Heh, heh, heh... guess it'll remain buried in this thread! LOL!

 

You guys realise no-one else is lisening any more ... right? :-)

 

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>> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

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>>> Lang Murphy wrote:

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>>>>> Lang Murphy wrote:

>>>>>> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

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>>>>>>> Lang Murphy wrote:

>>>>>>>> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

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>>>>>>>>> Lang Murphy wrote:

>>>>>>>>>> "La Poste" <jean.lavie@laposte.net> wrote in message

>>>>>>>>>> news:eKBfydN8HHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>>>>>>>>>> Greetings from (old) Europe

>> Heh, heh, heh... guess it'll remain buried in this thread! LOL!

>

> You guys realise no-one else is lisening any more ... right? :-)

>

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>

 

 

What? -)

 

Lang