Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

> Again you exaggerate to suit your own agenda.

> Obviously I do not label all "justified criticism" a blind hatred.

> If I did, I would have to pos in all threads where criticism is

> justified and clearly I do not.

> You often seem to criticize others and sometimes insult others for no

> other reason than their views are different than yours.

> Expand your vision beyond your typical selective reading before you make

> other FALSE statements.

>

 

 

Seriously, many of your responses come over in exactly that manner, just

as this one did. It is not at all obvious that you don't do as stated.

 

If you despise the "Hatred" banter so much why do you take part in it as

often as you do?

Lang Murphy wrote:

> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

> news:O81Kqrc8HHA.980@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> Lang Murphy wrote:

>>> "La Poste" <jean.lavie@laposte.net> wrote in message

>>> news:eKBfydN8HHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>>> Greetings from (old) Europe

>>>> It's in a way very strange from this side of the Atlantic ocean to

>>>> see how people are insulting each other (Kevin is an idiot, Bill is

>>>> a blockhead, Tom is a paranoiac of a kind or something else, and so

>>>> on Vista is a bucket of crap...)

>>>

>>> Vista is not problem-free, no doubt. Whether it deserves the derision

>>> it receives in this ng is a question I believe neither you or I can

>>> answer. (Although I'm sure those who deride it regularly will respond

>>> in the expected fashion.) I recently started reading the posts in

>>> comp.sys.mac.system because I plan on buying a Mac when Leopard is

>>> released, and there are plenty of flamewars in that ng too. Exactly

>>> the same type of back-and-forths as in this ng a small number of

>>> people who apparently hate each other. Lovely.

>>>

>>>> As far as I am concerned, I did not come across any serious issue

>>>> with Vista that could not find quickly a solution.

>>>

>>> Same here. The only serious issue I have with Vista is its

>>> ridiculously slow file copies. If that's not fixed with SP1, I will

>>> be seriously disenchanted. (Pun intended...)

>>>

>>>> My question is: why such a fuss against Vista? It may not be the

>>>> best OS in the world (which one is?) but it works.

>>>

>>> There are numerous reasons folks protest so loudly against Vista.

>>> They hate MS. They are either supremely bummed or gleeful over the

>>> fact that the Vista that was unleashed upon the public was missing

>>> some major pieces that MS claimed would be there and are not. They

>>> did upgrades instead of clean installs. They did no due diligence

>>> regarding whether their PC would run Vista acceptably. They bought a

>>> Home Basic system that came with 512MB RAM, the minimum amount of RAM

>>> claimed by MS (which is really unfortunate, because MS has always,

>>> and I do mean always, understated the minimum requirements for their

>>> OS's... those "in the know," IT professionals and savvy PC users,

>>> have known for years that the minimum reqs are BS. I think the same

>>> applies to Macs.). They purchased a Vista system from an OEM that

>>> shipped systems with device drivers and crapware that weren't really

>>> Vista ready. Not all 3rd party Vista device drivers are mature and do

>>> cause problems. They just like to bitch. I'm sure there are many

>>> more. And I'm sure we'll hear about it.

>>>

>>>> Do the guys yelling that Vista is a pile of crap, bother to tweak

>>>> around and fix their machines?

>>>

>>> Some do, some don't. There are folks in here that holler that Vista

>>> is a POS and they either don't use it or have never touched a PC

>>> running Vista. There are folks in here that holler about Vista and

>>> then turn around and admit they're not having any problems on their

>>> system. Go figure.

>>>

>>>> Honestly, it's a mystery to me.

>>>> I'm not a Bill G.'s fan, but to speak the truth, Vista works with no

>>>> problem on my machine.

>>>

>>> Bill Gates caught the Golden Ring on the Merry Go Round of computers.

>>> I'm ambivalient about the guy but I will say he's probably donated

>>> more money to charities than I would make in two or three or twenty

>>> lifetimes. It would be interesting, to me anyway, to know how much

>>> money Steve Jobs has donated to charities.

>>>

>>> Vista has worked, relatively problem free, for me on five different

>>> hardware platforms. I have PC's running XP Home, XP MCE, and Ubuntu

>>> here and I prefer Vista over those OS's. One can only assume that

>>> Vista will continue to improve and the complaints that XP is more

>>> stable will recede far sooner than the complaints about XP's

>>> stability prior to the release of XPSP2.

>>>

>>>> Shall I go and see a psy something?

>>>

>>> Only if you take to heart the forthcoming insults from those who

>>> disagree with you.

>>>

>>> Lang

>>>

>>

>>

>> There are some legitimate grievances about Vista, some of which you

>> state because they are fairly common to users of the OS and some you

>> have not mentioned but which are grievances to "Some" users because of

>> their own specific needs or preferences, however suggesting that "All"

>> criticism is blind hate is entirely incorrect and that is clearly the

>> impression that some here like to try and create. That suggestion is

>> as negative for the group as anything the so called "Haters" post. It

>> simply encourages argument and helps nobody.

>>

>> I hope the file problem gets sorted out too, and quickly. I think it

>> is pretty silly for MS to release something as obviously flawed as

>> part of a "Flagship" OS.

>

>

> Good points. This ng certainly does get it's share of the two extremes,

> although I do think the "haters" are the more disruptive group. And then

> there are the "hater-haters." LOL. I'm getting off that bus, i.e.,

> engaging those unproductive insult-a-thons by fanboi's and fantiboi's.

>

> Lang

 

 

Hehe, well there's a limit to how much time one has and frankly if any

of these people actually did anything with their machines except post in

newsgroups they might get a better perspective on the OS in question.

dennis@home wrote:

>

> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

> news:uhWyWkc8HHA.4712@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

>>

>>

>>> Since Windows Vista works for you, keep with it and it will probably

>>> support you well for years to come.

>>>

>>

>> You forgot to add "Until the next time a Microsoft server goes down

>> and labels you a thief".

>>

>> Why do you insist on labeling any justified criticism as "Blind Hatred"?

>

> Why do you come up with the "blind hatred" every time someone says they

> use or like Vista?

> Why can't you accept that like most things in life some people will like

> Vista and some will not.. there is no requirement to run those that do

> like it down as you do.

 

 

Dennis, I do not have anything against people who use MS operating

systems like Vista or any other MS products that isn't based upon some

legitimate and verifiable concern. I do have something against trolls on

either side and you can decide for yourself if that is a category you

fall into or not :)

 

A lot of people will "Like" Vista, some will not, but the fact is that

it is harder to deal with for a new user than expected and so people

will come looking for help and, as with all operating systems there are

situations where no help is possible due to hardware / software

problems. One of the key benefits of past MS systems was ease of use,

which is why the PC market is as big as it is today and why MS cornered

it. Unfortunately MS focused on ease of use to the point that developers

also focused on ease of use, and paid little attention to security. Unix

did pretty well the opposite but is now working to follow security with

ease of use.

 

There are many more computer literate people about these days so the

development of "Easy" unix is taking place at an increasing pace while

MS are trying to compromise by building security into an insecure

foundation without losing "Ease of use". They did well with W2000, they

did better with XP but with Vista they have done neither particularly

well, and the finished product does NOT look as polished or professional

as it should. It "Looks like" XP with the menus changed to make it look

different. The major differences such as Aero (and the supposed DirectX

10) and UAC are there but they are only accessible to users with

relatively new and better hardware.

 

I've put XP on everything here (And tried 2003 server on most) and

despite the crap hardware it ran. Maybe you had to be careful how much

you tried to run, but it ran, and additional memory made it run much

better, so at least a customer who "Upgraded" got a working system that

was "Better" than before. This is what people expected and mostly got.

 

Drivers that MS included were comprehensive, and that fixes most user

complaints before they even get made.

 

Vista, by contrast, despite your claims that "The same happened with XP)

is not like that at all. That by itself is not the issue, the

expectation that it would be "Like XP but much better" is the problem.

For many people is is NOT better, it is disappointing and expensive.

 

You can argue all you like whether this is MS's "Fault" or not, that's

not the issue either, the fact is that it IS and will remain MS's

problem and they need to get it under control.

 

Blaming the user for not doing research, not having brand new equipment

or not understanding the requirements is not good, it simply alienates

the user however true it may be. For 20 years MS software has grown by

it's "Ease of use" but it's getting more expensive and less "Easy" to

follow the MS trail. It's getting much "Easier" to can Vista and for

roughly the same learning curve install Ubuntu. The cost of trying this

is a CD or DVD which most people probably have lying around spare anyway.

 

But wait, when you try this you find in a great many cases that :-

 

1. Your hardware works without complaint.

2. You get an office package for free.

3. You get to read lots of easily available FAQ that reduces the

learning curve dramatically.

4. Your OS doesn't periodically demand that YOU prove you didn't steal it.

5. You don't need a phone call to reinstall it if you screw it up.

6. You don't need a phone call to install new hardware or do repairs.

 

The one thing Windows has that Linux does not yet have is games, but

gamers will "Expect" to keep abreast of latest hardware and drivers

etc... but wait, Vista runs slower in many cases than XP and drivers are

still problematic - some games are not compatible at all and never will

be - so serious gamers must also think twice.

 

If, for some reason, you think that MS do not need to be aware of these

concerns you are simply misleading yourself and MS. The industry needs

profitable giants just as other research needs Boeing and NASA. MS needs

ot keep pushing the envelope to inspire the industry in general, so if

you think I would like to seem MS fall on it's ass you are about as

completely wrong as it's possible to get, it is quite the opposite, but

that does NOT mean I would like to see others fail either. Together all

can move forward.

 

As I have said before even criticism that sounds derogatory can be heard

in a constructive manner.

Adam Albright wrote:

> On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 22:33:56 -0500, Charlie Tame <charlie@tames.net>

> wrote:

>

>> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

>>

>>

>>> Since Windows Vista works for you, keep with it and it will probably

>>> support you well for years to come.

>>>

>> You forgot to add "Until the next time a Microsoft server goes down and

>> labels you a thief".

>>

>> Why do you insist on labeling any justified criticism as "Blind Hatred"?

>

>

> Because dopes like Jupiter are blind to reality and hate their beloved

> Microsoft to be critiqued even when it is justified.

>

> I know... odd, and tragically incurable disease called

> Microsoftmyopia. This newsgroup's biggest sufferer obviously is Frank.

>

> Symptoms: Sufferer shows lack of foresight, poor perception and

> judgment, unable to discern facts from hallucinations, maintains

> narrow biased view in spite of overwhelming facts to the contrary.

> Unwilling to listen, overly defensive, has defective reasoning

> abilities, suffers from low self-esteem, will argue incessantly, often

> over minor points.

>

> In extreme cases will adopt Walter Mitty delusions of being all

> knowing, may claim to be expert in several disciplines, makes

> unfounded claims and engage in other unusual behavior including

> extreme loss of temper, denial of previous statements made, accusing

> others of being stupid and drunk and other anti social traits. Reports

> of near psychotic episodes at the mere mention of Linux, Mac or

> anything to do with Apple.

>

> Suggested treatment for acute attacks:

>

> To prevent further injury person should be held down on ground firmly

> and prevented from swallowing their tongue. Eyes may roll back in

> their head, can foam from mouth with low rumbling and snarling sounds

> heard which usually subside in a half hour or less. Symptoms have been

> shown to lessen if a glossy 8x10 or larger photo of Bill Gates or

> Steve Ballmer is shown to suffer. In lieu of same an unopened package

> of Vista can be offered or the DVD itself, allowing the victim to

> cling to it for comfort until paramedics arrive. Do not give anything

> by mouth, keep patient warm and as still as possible. Do not stand

> near victim's feet, they tend to kick and thrash and flail around like

> a fish out of water.

>

 

 

Hehe, it never does any good to keep denying that a problem exists,

sooner or later it will get you and you will be forced to fix it, so may

as well fix it sooner than later.

On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 10:12:29 -0500, Charlie Tame <charlie@tames.net>

wrote:

>Adam Albright wrote:

>> On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 22:33:56 -0500, Charlie Tame <charlie@tames.net>

>> wrote:

>>

>>> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>>> Since Windows Vista works for you, keep with it and it will probably

>>>> support you well for years to come.

>>>>

>>> You forgot to add "Until the next time a Microsoft server goes down and

>>> labels you a thief".

>>>

>>> Why do you insist on labeling any justified criticism as "Blind Hatred"?

>>

>>

>> Because dopes like Jupiter are blind to reality and hate their beloved

>> Microsoft to be critiqued even when it is justified.

>>

>> I know... odd, and tragically incurable disease called

>> Microsoftmyopia. This newsgroup's biggest sufferer obviously is Frank.

>>

>> Symptoms: Sufferer shows lack of foresight, poor perception and

>> judgment, unable to discern facts from hallucinations, maintains

>> narrow biased view in spite of overwhelming facts to the contrary.

>> Unwilling to listen, overly defensive, has defective reasoning

>> abilities, suffers from low self-esteem, will argue incessantly, often

>> over minor points.

>>

>> In extreme cases will adopt Walter Mitty delusions of being all

>> knowing, may claim to be expert in several disciplines, makes

>> unfounded claims and engage in other unusual behavior including

>> extreme loss of temper, denial of previous statements made, accusing

>> others of being stupid and drunk and other anti social traits. Reports

>> of near psychotic episodes at the mere mention of Linux, Mac or

>> anything to do with Apple.

>>

>> Suggested treatment for acute attacks:

>>

>> To prevent further injury person should be held down on ground firmly

>> and prevented from swallowing their tongue. Eyes may roll back in

>> their head, can foam from mouth with low rumbling and snarling sounds

>> heard which usually subside in a half hour or less. Symptoms have been

>> shown to lessen if a glossy 8x10 or larger photo of Bill Gates or

>> Steve Ballmer is shown to suffer. In lieu of same an unopened package

>> of Vista can be offered or the DVD itself, allowing the victim to

>> cling to it for comfort until paramedics arrive. Do not give anything

>> by mouth, keep patient warm and as still as possible. Do not stand

>> near victim's feet, they tend to kick and thrash and flail around like

>> a fish out of water.

>>

>

>

>Hehe, it never does any good to keep denying that a problem exists,

>sooner or later it will get you and you will be forced to fix it, so may

>as well fix it sooner than later.

 

It is sad that avid Microsoft supporters often simply refuse to admit

Vista has problems and take the low road attempting to discredit those

having real problems, many of which Microsoft has admitted to.

 

To be semi-serious for a minute I think a lot of the hostility coming

from the 'Microsoft is wonderful' camp is they know Vista like all

previous versions of Windows is flawed in it's initial release and it

won't be really ready for prime time till at least after SP1. That it

works "as-is" for some people is a limp excuse for all those suffering

because it clearly does NOT work properly for all users in it's

present form. That is not to suggest I expect Vista to 100% flawless,

that would be impossible. Still it should be way better than it is.

 

Such a sobering fact got to bug Microsoft supporters since Microsoft

seems incapable of releasing a "clean" version of Windows until after

the general public has found bloopers neither Microsoft or beta

testers could or if they did, left unfixed anyway. A curious way to do

business, but the Microsoft model from the beginning.

 

Part of the rumblings from long time Windows users is wondering when

or if Microsoft will ever get it's act together. I for one am sick of

being an unpaid beta tester. Vista shows all the classic signs of

being rushed out the door unfinished and not fully tested. Some here

are dumb enough to willingly line up to be brainwashed this is how

software is suppose to be released.

 

For a company as large as Microsoft who claims to have had Vista in

development for at least five years and still releases it with serious

bugs like the often fanboy denied calculating time remaining error

many suffer from is simply inexcusably sloppy and reckless on

Microsoft's part just like the glossed over incompetence marking

perfectly legal and activated copies of Vista as counterfeit simply

because Microsoft apparently doesn't know how to program or maintain

their validation servers. Laughable!

 

Such rank amateur misadventures coming from Redmond shouldn't happen

with the world's largest software company, but sadly they keep

happening so one does wonder who if anyone is really running the show

at Microsoft and if they really know what they're doing. The thing

that angers me more than anything is Microsoft never seems to learn

from it's mistakes and it obviously doesn't care about it's customers.

With Gates rapidly fading away preoccupied with giving away his vast

wealth, the focus at Microsoft now seems more than ever on just

fattening the bottom line and the hell with everything else. That's a

recipe for disaster.

"George Cannon" <gcannon@sturdymail.biz> wrote in message

news:46e278e8$0$17148$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...

> On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 08:30:31 +0100, dennis@home wrote:

>

>> "George Cannon" <gcannon@sturdymail.biz> wrote in message

>> news:46e1cd5b$0$6409$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...

>>> On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:55:51 +0100, dennis@home wrote:

>>>

>>>> "George Cannon" <gcannon@sturdymail.biz> wrote in message

>>>> news:46e0b27b$0$32524$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...

>>>>

>>>>> It would follow that if this sort of anecdotal evidence holds,

>>>>> millions and millions and millions and millions and millions and

>>>>> millions and millions and millions and millions and millions and

>>>>> millions and millions and millions and millions and millions and

>>>>> millions and millions and millions of copies would have been sold by

>>>>> now. To users, no less. Even MS isn't dishonest enough to try that

>>>>> lie.

>>>>

>>>> Are you disputing that Vista is running on at least 18M computers as

>>>> claimed above?

>>>> Alias will verify it as he thinks hundreds of millions failed the wga

>>>> tests recently. -)

>>>

>>> I dispute that there were 18 million machines sold to users or

>>> businesses with Vista on them and/or copies sold to users from shelves.

>>> Furthermore, some percentage of those sold have been switched: back to

>>> XP, to linux, to 2000, become dual boot for a nearly unused Vista and

>>> an XP or an XP and a linux, or whatever other changes have been made.

>>

>> So even though M$ issued figures that said they sold many more than that

>> in the first 30 days and most retail machines sold in the last half year

>> have had Vista on them you still think there are less than 18 million?

>

> Selling and in-use are different animals. OEMs bought licenses. That

> doesn't mean anybody bought them from the OEMs. MS "sold" copies to

> businesses who are in business to sell to consumers. That isn't the same

> thing as consumers raping the shelves of all of the copies, or even the

> same as saying that consumers have bought any from the businesses. I

> don't dispute that businesses have sold some. What I'm saying is quite

> different.

>

> You haven't been paying attention. So let's try this again, shall we?

>

> MS sells licenses and copies. They crow out some number like 40 million.

> At this point, nobody is using any of them. But the spin is that Vista is

> already a success.

>

> OEMs start shipping machines with the ones they bought. Consumers see

> that what they're getting is a pile of pig feces. They wipe it and put

> something else, either an older copy of Windows or another OS. How does

> MS spin it? As numbers sold. What's the reality? A far lower number in

> use.

>

> Word gets around about the problems in the new version, both by people

> who have tried it, and by the press, blogs and other sources who make

> their living getting the word out. People who read those things and talk

> to people they know who have tried it decide they don't want it. Along

> come the OEMs who are willing to accommodate. They don't make that

> accommodation obvious, but it's there. Some portion refuse to buy the new

> version that they've heard is so awful. Others, not knowing that the

> option to buy the older software exists, hold on to their licenses with

> the plan to bail out into XP if the going gets rough with the new one.

> They reluctantly buy, play with it, don't like it and install the older

> licensed version. Or they get linux. Or they do something else. In the

> case of newer machines being sold, how does MS spin it? As Vista users,

> although some of those will be people buying XP. MS will tout the numbers

> of new machines sold, and since they're new. extrapolate that into Vista

> users, without any evidence other than the fact that they sold licenses

> to OEMs and new machines were sold.

>

> Businesses (smart ones, anyway) are already reluctant to play with new

> things. They aren't going to rush out to buy the Vista. They're going to

> be the prime reason OEMs continue to offer XP. They're going to buy XP or

> nothing. But it's a case of new machines being sold. How would you expect

> MS to spin it?

>

> The only semi-reliable number presented so far is the one for how many

> licenses have gone from MS into the hands of someone else. That doesn't

> have any real bearing on how many people or businesses have purchased one

> or more licenses. It doesn't present any factual gauge of how many of the

> licenses that really have been sold to consumers are being used, or even

> how many were tested.

>

> Any representation of total users derived by using licenses shipped or

> machines sold is spin, which is a nicer way of saying the word "lie".

>

>> Has anyone told the stock market that M$, Intel, AMD, Dell, etc. are all

>> bankrupt yet?

>

> I'm not aware of anyone saying they were. Do you know something nobody

> else does?

 

You appear to be doing so.. you say M$ is way out but only have opinion to

back it up.

If I used the same method then there would be no linux users as I know most

people don't use the free magazine disks with linux on.

You really need to read my post again, possibly for the first time.

Notice the words "some"

Your need to expand on what I meant for some to all can only be

explained by your not reading or reading selectively selectively.

 

--

Jupiter Jones [MVP]

http://www3.telus.net/dandemar

http://www.dts-l.org

 

 

"Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

news:%23cGCQEi8HHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> Seriously, many of your responses come over in exactly that manner,

> just as this one did. It is not at all obvious that you don't do as

> stated.

>

> If you despise the "Hatred" banter so much why do you take part in

> it as often as you do?

Adam Albright wrote:

 

>

>

> If an always raving, constantly lying foul mouth sh*t for brains

> lunatic like you is an example of a Christian, you've done more to

> convert people to becoming atheists then you realize.

>

Great words of wisdom from someone who is an ignorant drunk, always

lying, extremely stupid, been brain dead a long time, as*hole like you

georgie-boy.

Frank

Frank wrote:

> Adam Albright wrote:

>

>

>>

>>

>> If an always raving, constantly lying foul mouth sh*t for brains

>> lunatic like you is an example of a Christian, you've done more to

>> convert people to becoming atheists then you realize.

> Great words of wisdom from someone who is an ignorant drunk, always

> lying, extremely stupid, been brain dead a long time, as*hole like you

> georgie-boy.

> Frank

 

What would Jesus say about your crass and classless language, Frankie Boy?

 

--

Alias

To email me, remove shoes

On Sat, 8 Sep 2007 17:16:46 +0100, "dennis@home"

<dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:

 

>>> Has anyone told the stock market that M$, Intel, AMD, Dell, etc. are all

>>> bankrupt yet?

>>

>> I'm not aware of anyone saying they were. Do you know something nobody

>> else does?

>

>You appear to be doing so.. you say M$ is way out but only have opinion to

>back it up.

>If I used the same method then there would be no linux users as I know most

>people don't use the free magazine disks with linux on.

 

Oh no, not the old "most people" BS again!

 

I'm always amused by self-anointed "experts" that base their supposed

"expertise" on something they've heard, just done themselves or their

little circle of friends does.

 

Let me know when you ready to enter the real world Bubba.

Who is denying it?

Certainly not me.

However you seem to deny many have few if any problems while using the

computers with Windows Vista.

You seem incapable of understanding some can use their computers with

Windows Vista and have few if any problems.

 

You really need to read your last few posts and you may see you are

doing exactly what you claim other do, just the other side.

Of course it is OK for the critics to falsely claim whatever is

necessary as long as it suits their agenda.

 

As I have suggested several times before...

Instead of believing those that have no problems are either not using

their computer fully or are blind to the problems, you would do better

if you really desire to help by trying to determine the difference in

the systems between those with success and those that have more

issues.

Of course you can continue to believe those with success are "denying

that a problem exists".

But that is an assumption and like many assumptions has major flaws.

 

It is easy for critics to fabricate reasons why some succeed because

it adds validity

to their own argument.

However like many things, once they justify ignoring specific facts in

a situation, much that follows is similarly flawed.

 

--

Jupiter Jones [MVP]

http://www3.telus.net/dandemar

http://www.dts-l.org

 

 

"Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

news:%239yVqqi8HHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> Hehe, it never does any good to keep denying that a problem exists,

> sooner or later it will get you and you will be forced to fix it, so

> may as well fix it sooner than later.

On Sat, 8 Sep 2007 10:26:02 -0600, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"

<jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote:

>You really need to read my post again, possibly for the first time.

>Notice the words "some"

>Your need to expand on what I meant for some to all can only be

>explained by your not reading or reading selectively selectively.

 

For someone that's been knocked off his pedestal as much as you have

you would think you would learn that your endless pontificating, chest

beating and failed attempts to come across as some "expert" on

everything is just laughed at. I guess not. You should notice the only

one that comes to your defense is the newsgroup clown Frank.

 

ROTFLAMO!

Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

 

More drivel...

> Who is denying it?

> Certainly not me.

> However you seem to deny many have few if any problems while using the

> computers with Windows Vista.

 

 

Nonsense of course, good luck to those who have no problems, they have

no reason to post here do they? Those that do however have a right to

expect some sort of help and guidance with acknowledgment that their

problem may be due to Vista.

 

> You seem incapable of understanding some can use their computers with

> Windows Vista and have few if any problems.

 

 

Repeating that was a bit of a waste of time don't you think?

 

 

> You really need to read your last few posts and you may see you are

> doing exactly what you claim other do, just the other side.

> Of course it is OK for the critics to falsely claim whatever is

> necessary as long as it suits their agenda.

 

 

Where did I make any false claims? You constantly assert by inference

that users who have problems are somehow deficient, either in their

knowledge or with their hardware and fail to make any constructive

observations about the possible nature of their problem. Your function

here seems to be to sit in pompous judgment of others whilst

contributing very little of anything useful. Vista has the potential yo

be great for a lot of people but claiming it to be great for those it

obviously isn't helps nobody.

 

 

> As I have suggested several times before...

> Instead of believing those that have no problems are either not using

> their computer fully or are blind to the problems, you would do better

> if you really desire to help by trying to determine the difference in

> the systems between those with success and those that have more issues.

 

 

How about doing some of that yourself?

 

> Of course you can continue to believe those with success are "denying

> that a problem exists".

> But that is an assumption and like many assumptions has major flaws.

 

 

It is not an assumption at all, some users DO have problems, you are the

one doing any denying.

 

 

> It is easy for critics to fabricate reasons why some succeed because it

> adds validity

> to their own argument.

 

 

What is fabricated?

 

 

> However like many things, once they justify ignoring specific facts in a

> situation, much that follows is similarly flawed.

 

 

Bit like snipping the factual content in other folks' post eh?

Adam Albright wrote:

> On Sat, 8 Sep 2007 10:26:02 -0600, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"

> <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote:

>

>> You really need to read my post again, possibly for the first time.

>> Notice the words "some"

>> Your need to expand on what I meant for some to all can only be

>> explained by your not reading or reading selectively selectively.

>

 

<snipped the garbage>

 

 

<Not so bright Albright, when are you going to wake-up and realize that

he had dumped you into the trash can where you belong and you should

stop posting to him like you're some kind of an insane old *clown*?>

Charlie Lame Brains wrote:

 

<snipped the CLB dribble>

 

<One suspects that most have killfiled you, because you are worthless.>

Adam Albright wrote:

> On Sat, 8 Sep 2007 10:26:02 -0600, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"

> <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote:

>

>> You really need to read my post again, possibly for the first time.

>> Notice the words "some"

>> Your need to expand on what I meant for some to all can only be

>> explained by your not reading or reading selectively selectively.

>

> For someone that's been knocked off his pedestal as much as you have

> you would think you would learn that your endless pontificating, chest

> beating and failed attempts to come across as some "expert" on

> everything is just laughed at. I guess not. You should notice the only

> one that comes to your defense is the newsgroup clown Frank.

>

> ROTFLAMO!

>

 

 

Pompous ass is hardly the right word. I don't agree with everything

"you" say but common sense suggests that your observations and

perceptions of any given situation will likely differ somewhat from

mine, just ask any cop taking statements about a traffic accident. That

does not mean I "Categorize" you into some "Group" or other, either as a

Linux fanatic or a "Windows / MS Hater", neither would I categorize

someone having success with and enjoying Vista as some kind of "MS

Fanatic", as I just said good luck to all who have that experience,

however in my opinion there are some "Issues" with Vista that need to be

addressed for the good of the community as a whole and also for

Microsoft's business. Simply arguing nonsense against that is neither

useful not productive, to say nothing of the fact that it doesn't help

any users.

 

One thing I won't do is get involved in silly slanging matches with

trolls about who is right and who is wrong, we are free to express and

opinion and that's that.

Re: LOL one Troll talking to another Troll.

 

Charlie Lame Brains wrote:

> Adam Albright wrote:

 

<snipped the garbage>

 

<LOL>

Alias wrote:

> Frank wrote:

>

>> Adam Albright wrote:

>>

>>

>>>

>>>

>>> If an always raving, constantly lying foul mouth sh*t for brains

>>> lunatic like you is an example of a Christian, you've done more to

>>> convert people to becoming atheists then you realize.

>>

>> Great words of wisdom from someone who is an ignorant drunk, always

>> lying, extremely stupid, been brain dead a long time, as*hole like you

>> georgie-boy.

>> Frank

>

>

> What would Jesus say about your crass and classless language, Frankie Boy?

>

 

hehehe...well wise guy, why don't you ask him, huh mr atheist?

Frank

Adam Albright wrote:

>

> For someone that's been knocked off his pedestal as much as you have

 

You're referring to yourself of course.

> you would think you would learn that your endless pontificating, chest

> beating and failed attempts to come across as some "expert" on

> everything is just laughed at.

 

Yet you still label yourself as "mr genius & mr computer expert"...lol!

 

I guess not.

You should notice the only

> one that comes to your defense is the newsgroup clown Frank.

>

 

I guess you haven't noticed that everyone in this ng has taken to using

you as their own personal punching bag huh, and deservedly so, you

fukkin idiot big mouth loser.

I guess in your pompous delusional drunken state you missed that one, huh?

 

ROTFLAMO!

 

Frank...the one georgie-boy likes having kick his fat loser arse all

over this ng!

"It's All Bash and not so Bright *Albright*"

<ItIsJustABashAlbright@Bash.net> wrote in message

news:OiL2mHk8HHA.4420@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> Charlie Lame Brains wrote:

>

> <snipped the CLB dribble>

>

> <One suspects that most have killfiled you, because you are worthless.>

 

 

I just kill filed him.

On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 13:00:17 -0500, Charlie Tame <charlie@tames.net>

wrote:

>Adam Albright wrote:

>> On Sat, 8 Sep 2007 10:26:02 -0600, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"

>> <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote:

>>

>>> You really need to read my post again, possibly for the first time.

>>> Notice the words "some"

>>> Your need to expand on what I meant for some to all can only be

>>> explained by your not reading or reading selectively selectively.

>>

>> For someone that's been knocked off his pedestal as much as you have

>> you would think you would learn that your endless pontificating, chest

>> beating and failed attempts to come across as some "expert" on

>> everything is just laughed at. I guess not. You should notice the only

>> one that comes to your defense is the newsgroup clown Frank.

>>

>> ROTFLAMO!

>Pompous ass is hardly the right word. I don't agree with everything

>"you" say but common sense suggests that your observations and

>perceptions of any given situation will likely differ somewhat from

>mine, just ask any cop taking statements about a traffic accident.

 

Well I've become quite adept at spotting the pompous ass types that

infest newsgroups like this. Jupiter is a prime example of such a

character and he stands out like a sore thumb. I don't claim any

special skills in spotting these jerks. Just normal observation of the

typical goings on in newsgroups like this for better than 20 years.

 

Almost without fail there is a small clique of blowhards that attempt

to pontificate to us mere mortals from their throne high up on Mt.

Olympus. I find it both amusing and revolting such screw-ups never

seem to "get" that rather than reducing the noise level which they

always claim is their intended purpose their non stop pontificating

and feeble attempts to inject themselves as some authority figure and

often implying they are somehow in change is counterproductive and

acts as a magnet to drawn more, not less noise.

Frank wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>

>> Frank wrote:

>>

>>> Adam Albright wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> If an always raving, constantly lying foul mouth sh*t for brains

>>>> lunatic like you is an example of a Christian, you've done more to

>>>> convert people to becoming atheists then you realize.

>>>

>>> Great words of wisdom from someone who is an ignorant drunk, always

>>> lying, extremely stupid, been brain dead a long time, as*hole like

>>> you georgie-boy.

>>> Frank

>>

>>

>> What would Jesus say about your crass and classless language, Frankie

>> Boy?

>>

>

> hehehe...well wise guy, why don't you ask him, huh mr atheist?

> Frank

 

You talk to Jesus? The bloody one on the cross or the Latino that lives

down the street from you? When, right after your rendezvous with Santa?

Or is while you're talking to extraterrestrial beings?

 

'Course, you who believe in xtrianity think it's OK to act like a crass

and classless human being without any eduction or sense of propriety

because you take Jeeeeeeeeeeesus into your heart and repent and

Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesus forgives all, right Frankie Boy?

 

--

Alias

To email me, remove shoes

"they have no reason to post here do they?"

But many do post here, we see them regularly.

Just not as often.

 

"You constantly assert..."

You need to look back.

That is more a claim by some critics, trolls and a stalker.

When that is all you wish to see...

 

"Your function here seems to be to sit in pompous judgment"

Interesting you posting this while you are judging.

 

"How about doing some..."

I do, however it can be missed with selective reading.

 

"either in their knowledge or with their hardware"

And that is a cause of many problems with anything not just computers

or technology.

 

"you are the one doing any denying."

Where?

I do not deny there are problems, but for most problems there is a

solution.

Just because you and the stalker say so, does not make it so.

Even if you and he constantly repeat it.

 

"Bit like snipping the factual content"

Certainly not me.

Unless I missed something, your ENTIRE post is quoted for clarity.

If you think as much, Selective reading is getting to you.

 

--

Jupiter Jones [MVP]

http://www3.telus.net/dandemar

http://www.dts-l.org

 

 

"Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

news:uHhErDk8HHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

>

> More drivel...

>

>> Who is denying it?

>> Certainly not me.

>> However you seem to deny many have few if any problems while using

>> the computers with Windows Vista.

>

>

> Nonsense of course, good luck to those who have no problems, they

> have no reason to post here do they? Those that do however have a

> right to expect some sort of help and guidance with acknowledgment

> that their problem may be due to Vista.

>

>

>> You seem incapable of understanding some can use their computers

>> with Windows Vista and have few if any problems.

>

>

> Repeating that was a bit of a waste of time don't you think?

>

>

>

>> You really need to read your last few posts and you may see you are

>> doing exactly what you claim other do, just the other side.

>> Of course it is OK for the critics to falsely claim whatever is

>> necessary as long as it suits their agenda.

>

>

> Where did I make any false claims? You constantly assert by

> inference that users who have problems are somehow deficient, either

> in their knowledge or with their hardware and fail to make any

> constructive observations about the possible nature of their

> problem. Your function here seems to be to sit in pompous judgment

> of others whilst contributing very little of anything useful. Vista

> has the potential yo be great for a lot of people but claiming it to

> be great for those it obviously isn't helps nobody.

>

>

>

>> As I have suggested several times before...

>> Instead of believing those that have no problems are either not

>> using their computer fully or are blind to the problems, you would

>> do better if you really desire to help by trying to determine the

>> difference in the systems between those with success and those that

>> have more issues.

>

>

> How about doing some of that yourself?

>

>

>> Of course you can continue to believe those with success are

>> "denying that a problem exists".

>> But that is an assumption and like many assumptions has major

>> flaws.

>

>

> It is not an assumption at all, some users DO have problems, you are

> the one doing any denying.

>

>

>

>> It is easy for critics to fabricate reasons why some succeed

>> because it adds validity

>> to their own argument.

>

>

> What is fabricated?

>

>

>

>> However like many things, once they justify ignoring specific facts

>> in a situation, much that follows is similarly flawed.

>

>

> Bit like snipping the factual content in other folks' post eh?

>

On Sat, 8 Sep 2007 14:43:00 -0400, "Saucy"

<saucy538347334873772.sjhdf@net.net.net> wrote:

>"It's All Bash and not so Bright *Albright*"

><ItIsJustABashAlbright@Bash.net> wrote in message

>news:OiL2mHk8HHA.4420@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> Charlie Lame Brains wrote:

>>

>> <snipped the CLB dribble>

>>

>> <One suspects that most have killfiled you, because you are worthless.>

>

>

>I just kill filed him.

 

So I guess you'll never know I added you to my Putz list.

You can talk good sense all day to him, Mr. Jones, but it falls on deaf

ears.

 

Saucy