I apologize; I like Vista

September 7, 200717 yr

dennis@home [Fri, 7 Sep 2007 17:29:12 +0100] wrote:

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>"Marco Desloovere" <marco_desloovere@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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>

>> Dell and virtually all other computer vendors also still sell Windows XP

>> pre-installed on their machines.

>>

>> Has something similar ever happened before in the computer industry?

>

>Well I suppose that when NT came out you could still order machines with 98

>on them for about four years.

>I also remember being able to buy NT for two or three years after 2000 came

>out.

>Then you could buy 2000 for a couple of years after XP came out.

>I expect there will be corporate users buying XP next year and probably the

>year after.

>I know of one major (in European terms) network equipment manufacturer that

>only switched to XP a year and a half ago.

The reactions seem stronger this time.

See also my reply to Jupiter Jones.

Marco

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George Cannon wrote:

> On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:55:51 +0100, dennis@home wrote:

>

>> "George Cannon" <gcannon@sturdymail.biz> wrote in message

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>>> It would follow that if this sort of anecdotal evidence holds, millions

>>> and millions and millions and millions and millions and millions and

>>> millions and millions and millions and millions and millions and

>>> millions and millions of copies would have been sold by now. To users,

>>> no less. Even MS isn't dishonest enough to try that lie.

>>

>> Are you disputing that Vista is running on at least 18M computers as

>> claimed above?

>> Alias will verify it as he thinks hundreds of millions failed the wga

>> tests recently. -)

>

> I dispute that there were 18 million machines sold to users or businesses

> with Vista on them and/or copies sold to users from shelves. Furthermore,

> some percentage of those sold have been switched: back to XP, to linux,

> to 2000, become dual boot for a nearly unused Vista and an XP or an XP

> and a linux, or whatever other changes have been made.

>

> One can't even count all of the machines sold and expect that to be

> reliable, even if none of them were changed over to something else. This

> is because people have been able to order XP since Vista has turned out

> to be such a lead balloon to many people who have tried using it.

> Businesses have demanded XP in many cases, so sellers like Dell have been

> giving them what they want.

>

> The only semi-reliable number out there is from MS. That is only reliable

> if one considers what it really means. It means they sent out copies or

> licenses for a particular number. However, most of that particular number

> is sitting somewhere unused at the moment. At the rate things are going,

> most of that number will still be sitting somewhere unused several years

> from now unless they do some dramatic fixing real soon.

Funny you should say this. :-) I'm sitting now, in front of a friend's new

Acer laptop that came with Vista intalled. The FIRST thing he did, was

bootup a Feisty LiveCD, wipe the drive and install Ubuntu on his laptop.

Microsoft will record a sale of Vista, but in reality, Vista will never see

the light of day and this sale will be running Ubuntu.

Cheers.

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> George Cannon wrote:

>

>> On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:55:51 +0100, dennis@home wrote:

>>

>>> "George Cannon" <gcannon@sturdymail.biz> wrote in message

>>> news:46e0b27b$0$32524$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...

>>>

>>>> It would follow that if this sort of anecdotal evidence holds, millions

>>>> and millions and millions and millions and millions and millions and

>>>> millions and millions and millions and millions and millions and

>>>> millions and millions of copies would have been sold by now. To users,

>>>> no less. Even MS isn't dishonest enough to try that lie.

>>>

>>> Are you disputing that Vista is running on at least 18M computers as

>>> claimed above?

>>> Alias will verify it as he thinks hundreds of millions failed the wga

>>> tests recently. -)

>>

>> I dispute that there were 18 million machines sold to users or businesses

>> with Vista on them and/or copies sold to users from shelves. Furthermore,

>> some percentage of those sold have been switched: back to XP, to linux,

>> to 2000, become dual boot for a nearly unused Vista and an XP or an XP

>> and a linux, or whatever other changes have been made.

>>

>> One can't even count all of the machines sold and expect that to be

>> reliable, even if none of them were changed over to something else. This

>> is because people have been able to order XP since Vista has turned out

>> to be such a lead balloon to many people who have tried using it.

>> Businesses have demanded XP in many cases, so sellers like Dell have been

>> giving them what they want.

>>

>> The only semi-reliable number out there is from MS. That is only reliable

>> if one considers what it really means. It means they sent out copies or

>> licenses for a particular number. However, most of that particular number

>> is sitting somewhere unused at the moment. At the rate things are going,

>> most of that number will still be sitting somewhere unused several years

>> from now unless they do some dramatic fixing real soon.

>

> Funny you should say this. :-) I'm sitting now, in front of a friend's new

> Acer laptop that came with Vista intalled. The FIRST thing he did, was

> bootup a Feisty LiveCD, wipe the drive and install Ubuntu on his laptop.

> Microsoft will record a sale of Vista, but in reality, Vista will never

> see

> the light of day and this sale will be running Ubuntu.

>

> Cheers.

>

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>

> Do you use Linux? Everytime you "google", you're using Linux.

>

> Coming Soon! Ubuntu 7.10 ... New Features:

> http://lunapark6.com/ubuntu-gutsy-gibbon-710-new-features.html

>

So what?

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September 7, 200717 yr

No more Vista whining, please

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=287

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"Marco Desloovere" wrote:

Well, it seems to me that there is really hefty *serious* aversion

towards Windows Vista this time.

These are pretty strong assertions in the following article, I don't

recall having seen anything similar with previous Microsoft operating

systems: http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,134962-pg,1/article.html

Marco

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September 7, 200717 yr

It seems similar this time as last time.

There may seem like more noise but to get anything close to an

accurate idea you need a lot of statistics such as:

Number of computers used by the businesses then and now.

What operating systems they were using then and now.

As an example Windows 9x was less secure which almost forced many to

upgrade sooner. Windows XP is more secure.

Many businesses used Windows 98 at the time of Windows XP release.

How much proprietary software used by then then and now.

Etc.

Without that and much more and accurate comparison can not be made.

"Many business customers have specifically asked for Windows XP to be

installed on their new machines"

That is exactly what has happened in the past when previous operating

systems were released.

Many simply preferred Windows 98 possibly because their workers were

familiar with it as well as a variety of other reasons.

One of the major reasons has nothing to do with performance or

security.

Many of these companies use proprietary software and the software

manufacturers have not updated their software.

Also from a corporate point of view. Windows Vista is still relatively

new and some have not fully tested Windows Vista for their specific

situations which is essential before they make the complete move.

That applies to any major change, not just operating systems or

computers.

Find some sites with some good statistics which would need to take in

the above and much more, not just some of these sites that collect a

small base of information supporting one or the other.

With a small sampling, you can make the statistics look however you

want.

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> Jupiter Jones [MVP] [Fri, 7 Sep 2007 11:26:39 -0600] wrote:

>

>>Marco

>>Only every time Microsoft releases a new operating system.

>>So yes, this is regular and normal.

>

> Well, it seems to me that there is really hefty *serious* aversion

> towards Windows Vista this time.

> These are pretty strong assertions in the following article, I don't

> recall having seen anything similar with previous Microsoft

> operating

> systems: http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,134962-pg,1/article.html

>

> Marco

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Marco Desloovere444856 Wrote:

> Jupiter Jones [MVP] [Fri, 7 Sep 2007 11:26:39 -0600] wrote:

>

> Well, it seems to me that there is really hefty *serious* aversion

> towards Windows Vista this time.

> These are pretty strong assertions in the following article, I don't

> recall having seen anything similar with previous Microsoft operating

> systems: 'PC World - Acer: PC Industry 'Disappointed' with

> Vista' (http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,134962-pg,1/article.html)

>

> Marco

Good article post. I would have to agree. After tinkering with Vista

Ultimate x64 and Windows XP Professional SP2, I would have to agree that

XP runs games better, multimedia, & etc. If you are amused with bright

shiny object that capture your attention then get Vista. I had vista,

now I only use it as a backup on an older hard drive. Like anything

that comes out new especially OS there is always going to be problem

when it comes out, but I don't remember there being such a problem with

Windows XP coming out after Windows 2000, but then again XP was modeled

after 2000.

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September 8, 200717 yr

Jackson Brown wrote:

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> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

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>> On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 09:49:59 -0700, Frank <fb@nospan.crm> wrote:

>>

>>> Alias wrote:

>>>

>>>> Frank wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Frank found out that he lost his job, his wife, car and owed millions

>>>>>> to the IRS so he decided to kill himself. He went to a bridge and

>>>>>> just before he was going to make that fatal jump, a fat man with a

>>>>>> long white beard appeared and informed Frank that he was Santa Claus

>>>>>> and asked Frank what was wrong. Frank told him and "Santa" told Frank

>>>>>> he could grant him three wishes but there was a catch.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Frank asked what the catch was and "Santa" told him he had to give

>>>>>> him a blow job before getting his wishes fulfilled. Frank scratched

>>>>>> his head and did something unusual and used his brain to try and

>>>>>> think and old Frank said to himself, he said, "what do I have to

>>>>>> lose?" so he gave "Santa" a blow job. Frank then demanded his wishes

>>>>>> come true, to get his job, property and wife back and "Santa"

>>>>>> replied:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> "Ho, ho, ho, imagine a grown man like you believing in Santa Claus!"

>>>>>

>>>>> Better yet, imagine a grown man, claiming to have a college education,

>>>>> posting the above childishly ignorant diatribe and actually believing

>>>>> every word of it?

>>>>> Imagine that!

>>>>> Frank

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> I guess you need more wishes: asking for a sense of humor and the

>>>> ability to understand what is written and why.

>>>>

>>>

>>> Sorry pal (you are my pal, right?), I guess I'd have to be a Godless

>>> atheist as*hole like you to see any humor in that crap.

>>> Frank

>>

>> If an always raving, constantly lying foul mouth sh*t for brains

>> lunatic like you is an example of a Christian, you've done more to

>> convert people to becoming atheists then you realize.

>

> Actually, neither of those two represent the reality. Their propensity

> for child-like behaviour seems to rule them, as seems to be the case

> with several posters in this NG. The 'I know you are but what am I?"

> mentality seems to prevail here. The term 'grow up' comes to mind.

> Should I decide to spend time in this group, I suppose I'll have to

> employ my killfile on a regular basis...

I hear ya...I'm running a test to see how large a filter T-bird will

allow. It's getting huge!

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Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

> Since Windows Vista works for you, keep with it and it will probably

> support you well for years to come.

>

You forgot to add "Until the next time a Microsoft server goes down and

labels you a thief".

Why do you insist on labeling any justified criticism as "Blind Hatred"?

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> Didn't you sing "Running on Empty" way back when?

Yes. I have a very large tank.

Jack

> "Jackson Brown" <jb@att.net> wrote in message

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>>

>> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>> news:7v13e31eh1relodbkojmgui416r0dktr9n@4ax.com...

>>> On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 09:49:59 -0700, Frank <fb@nospan.crm> wrote:

>>>

>>>>Alias wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Frank wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Frank found out that he lost his job, his wife, car and owed

>>>>>>> millions

>>>>>>> to the IRS so he decided to kill himself. He went to a bridge and

>>>>>>> just before he was going to make that fatal jump, a fat man with a

>>>>>>> long white beard appeared and informed Frank that he was Santa Claus

>>>>>>> and asked Frank what was wrong. Frank told him and "Santa" told

>>>>>>> Frank

>>>>>>> he could grant him three wishes but there was a catch.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Frank asked what the catch was and "Santa" told him he had to give

>>>>>>> him a blow job before getting his wishes fulfilled. Frank scratched

>>>>>>> his head and did something unusual and used his brain to try and

>>>>>>> think and old Frank said to himself, he said, "what do I have to

>>>>>>> lose?" so he gave "Santa" a blow job. Frank then demanded his wishes

>>>>>>> come true, to get his job, property and wife back and "Santa"

>>>>>>> replied:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> "Ho, ho, ho, imagine a grown man like you believing in Santa Claus!"

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Better yet, imagine a grown man, claiming to have a college

>>>>>> education,

>>>>>> posting the above childishly ignorant diatribe and actually believing

>>>>>> every word of it?

>>>>>> Imagine that!

>>>>>> Frank

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> I guess you need more wishes: asking for a sense of humor and the

>>>>> ability to understand what is written and why.

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>Sorry pal (you are my pal, right?), I guess I'd have to be a Godless

>>>>atheist as*hole like you to see any humor in that crap.

>>>>Frank

>>>

>>> If an always raving, constantly lying foul mouth sh*t for brains

>>> lunatic like you is an example of a Christian, you've done more to

>>> convert people to becoming atheists then you realize.

>>

>> Actually, neither of those two represent the reality. Their propensity

>> for child-like behaviour seems to rule them, as seems to be the case with

>> several posters in this NG. The 'I know you are but what am I?" mentality

>> seems to prevail here. The term 'grow up' comes to mind. Should I decide

>> to spend time in this group, I suppose I'll have to employ my killfile on

>> a regular basis...

>

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Lang Murphy wrote:

> "La Poste" <jean.lavie@laposte.net> wrote in message

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>> Greetings from (old) Europe

>> It's in a way very strange from this side of the Atlantic ocean to see

>> how people are insulting each other (Kevin is an idiot, Bill is a

>> blockhead, Tom is a paranoiac of a kind or something else, and so on

>> Vista is a bucket of crap...)

>

> Vista is not problem-free, no doubt. Whether it deserves the derision it

> receives in this ng is a question I believe neither you or I can answer.

> (Although I'm sure those who deride it regularly will respond in the

> expected fashion.) I recently started reading the posts in

> comp.sys.mac.system because I plan on buying a Mac when Leopard is

> released, and there are plenty of flamewars in that ng too. Exactly the

> same type of back-and-forths as in this ng a small number of people who

> apparently hate each other. Lovely.

>

>> As far as I am concerned, I did not come across any serious issue with

>> Vista that could not find quickly a solution.

>

> Same here. The only serious issue I have with Vista is its ridiculously

> slow file copies. If that's not fixed with SP1, I will be seriously

> disenchanted. (Pun intended...)

>

>> My question is: why such a fuss against Vista? It may not be the best

>> OS in the world (which one is?) but it works.

>

> There are numerous reasons folks protest so loudly against Vista. They

> hate MS. They are either supremely bummed or gleeful over the fact that

> the Vista that was unleashed upon the public was missing some major

> pieces that MS claimed would be there and are not. They did upgrades

> instead of clean installs. They did no due diligence regarding whether

> their PC would run Vista acceptably. They bought a Home Basic system

> that came with 512MB RAM, the minimum amount of RAM claimed by MS (which

> is really unfortunate, because MS has always, and I do mean always,

> understated the minimum requirements for their OS's... those "in the

> know," IT professionals and savvy PC users, have known for years that

> the minimum reqs are BS. I think the same applies to Macs.). They

> purchased a Vista system from an OEM that shipped systems with device

> drivers and crapware that weren't really Vista ready. Not all 3rd party

> Vista device drivers are mature and do cause problems. They just like to

> bitch. I'm sure there are many more. And I'm sure we'll hear about it.

>

>> Do the guys yelling that Vista is a pile of crap, bother to tweak

>> around and fix their machines?

>

> Some do, some don't. There are folks in here that holler that Vista is a

> POS and they either don't use it or have never touched a PC running

> Vista. There are folks in here that holler about Vista and then turn

> around and admit they're not having any problems on their system. Go

> figure.

>

>> Honestly, it's a mystery to me.

>> I'm not a Bill G.'s fan, but to speak the truth, Vista works with no

>> problem on my machine.

>

> Bill Gates caught the Golden Ring on the Merry Go Round of computers.

> I'm ambivalient about the guy but I will say he's probably donated more

> money to charities than I would make in two or three or twenty

> lifetimes. It would be interesting, to me anyway, to know how much money

> Steve Jobs has donated to charities.

>

> Vista has worked, relatively problem free, for me on five different

> hardware platforms. I have PC's running XP Home, XP MCE, and Ubuntu here

> and I prefer Vista over those OS's. One can only assume that Vista will

> continue to improve and the complaints that XP is more stable will

> recede far sooner than the complaints about XP's stability prior to the

> release of XPSP2.

>

>> Shall I go and see a psy something?

>

> Only if you take to heart the forthcoming insults from those who

> disagree with you.

>

> Lang

>

There are some legitimate grievances about Vista, some of which you

state because they are fairly common to users of the OS and some you

have not mentioned but which are grievances to "Some" users because of

their own specific needs or preferences, however suggesting that "All"

criticism is blind hate is entirely incorrect and that is clearly the

impression that some here like to try and create. That suggestion is as

negative for the group as anything the so called "Haters" post. It

simply encourages argument and helps nobody.

I hope the file problem gets sorted out too, and quickly. I think it is

pretty silly for MS to release something as obviously flawed as part of

a "Flagship" OS.

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Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:

> No more Vista whining, please

> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=287

>

Funny coming from an MVP like you Carey, when you are really supposed to

be helping those posting problems they are having in vista. Interesting

also how you keep making OT posts in the vista group about linux.

You know, all of this whining about how vista sucks is really just the

public giving vista the attention it deserves.

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> Lang Murphy wrote:

>> "La Poste" <jean.lavie@laposte.net> wrote in message

>> news:eKBfydN8HHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>> Greetings from (old) Europe

>>> It's in a way very strange from this side of the Atlantic ocean to see

>>> how people are insulting each other (Kevin is an idiot, Bill is a

>>> blockhead, Tom is a paranoiac of a kind or something else, and so on

>>> Vista is a bucket of crap...)

>>

>> Vista is not problem-free, no doubt. Whether it deserves the derision it

>> receives in this ng is a question I believe neither you or I can answer.

>> (Although I'm sure those who deride it regularly will respond in the

>> expected fashion.) I recently started reading the posts in

>> comp.sys.mac.system because I plan on buying a Mac when Leopard is

>> released, and there are plenty of flamewars in that ng too. Exactly the

>> same type of back-and-forths as in this ng a small number of people who

>> apparently hate each other. Lovely.

>>

>>> As far as I am concerned, I did not come across any serious issue with

>>> Vista that could not find quickly a solution.

>>

>> Same here. The only serious issue I have with Vista is its ridiculously

>> slow file copies. If that's not fixed with SP1, I will be seriously

>> disenchanted. (Pun intended...)

>>

>>> My question is: why such a fuss against Vista? It may not be the best OS

>>> in the world (which one is?) but it works.

>>

>> There are numerous reasons folks protest so loudly against Vista. They

>> hate MS. They are either supremely bummed or gleeful over the fact that

>> the Vista that was unleashed upon the public was missing some major

>> pieces that MS claimed would be there and are not. They did upgrades

>> instead of clean installs. They did no due diligence regarding whether

>> their PC would run Vista acceptably. They bought a Home Basic system that

>> came with 512MB RAM, the minimum amount of RAM claimed by MS (which is

>> really unfortunate, because MS has always, and I do mean always,

>> understated the minimum requirements for their OS's... those "in the

>> know," IT professionals and savvy PC users, have known for years that the

>> minimum reqs are BS. I think the same applies to Macs.). They purchased a

>> Vista system from an OEM that shipped systems with device drivers and

>> crapware that weren't really Vista ready. Not all 3rd party Vista device

>> drivers are mature and do cause problems. They just like to bitch. I'm

>> sure there are many more. And I'm sure we'll hear about it.

>>

>>> Do the guys yelling that Vista is a pile of crap, bother to tweak around

>>> and fix their machines?

>>

>> Some do, some don't. There are folks in here that holler that Vista is a

>> POS and they either don't use it or have never touched a PC running

>> Vista. There are folks in here that holler about Vista and then turn

>> around and admit they're not having any problems on their system. Go

>> figure.

>>

>>> Honestly, it's a mystery to me.

>>> I'm not a Bill G.'s fan, but to speak the truth, Vista works with no

>>> problem on my machine.

>>

>> Bill Gates caught the Golden Ring on the Merry Go Round of computers. I'm

>> ambivalient about the guy but I will say he's probably donated more

>> money to charities than I would make in two or three or twenty lifetimes.

>> It would be interesting, to me anyway, to know how much money Steve Jobs

>> has donated to charities.

>>

>> Vista has worked, relatively problem free, for me on five different

>> hardware platforms. I have PC's running XP Home, XP MCE, and Ubuntu here

>> and I prefer Vista over those OS's. One can only assume that Vista will

>> continue to improve and the complaints that XP is more stable will recede

>> far sooner than the complaints about XP's stability prior to the release

>> of XPSP2.

>>

>>> Shall I go and see a psy something?

>>

>> Only if you take to heart the forthcoming insults from those who disagree

>> with you.

>>

>> Lang

>>

>

> There are some legitimate grievances about Vista, some of which you state

> because they are fairly common to users of the OS and some you have not

> mentioned but which are grievances to "Some" users because of their own

> specific needs or preferences, however suggesting that "All" criticism is

> blind hate is entirely incorrect and that is clearly the impression that

> some here like to try and create. That suggestion is as negative for the

> group as anything the so called "Haters" post. It simply encourages

> argument and helps nobody.

What you may be referring to are what I call 'broad brush' declarations, and

this problem exists on both sides. Just as there are legitimate greivances,

there are also legitimate praises. Broad brush declarations (BBDs) always

piss the other side off. It's the nature of things. Most likely, the BBDs

will continue. That's the nature of things too. This, of course, pisses me

off. Life can be quite pissy.

>

> I hope the file problem gets sorted out too, and quickly. I think it is

> pretty silly for MS to release something as obviously flawed as part of a

> "Flagship" OS.

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Jackson Brown wrote:

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> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

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>> There are some legitimate grievances about Vista, some of which you

>> state because they are fairly common to users of the OS and some you

>> have not mentioned but which are grievances to "Some" users because of

>> their own specific needs or preferences, however suggesting that "All"

>> criticism is blind hate is entirely incorrect and that is clearly the

>> impression that some here like to try and create. That suggestion is

>> as negative for the group as anything the so called "Haters" post. It

>> simply encourages argument and helps nobody.

>

> What you may be referring to are what I call 'broad brush' declarations,

> and this problem exists on both sides. Just as there are legitimate

> greivances, there are also legitimate praises. Broad brush declarations

> (BBDs) always piss the other side off. It's the nature of things. Most

> likely, the BBDs will continue. That's the nature of things too. This,

> of course, pisses me off. Life can be quite pissy.

Yes that is pretty much the case I think.

I don't mind joining in an argument occasionally but have a mental

killfile :)

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Again you exaggerate to suit your own agenda.

Obviously I do not label all "justified criticism" a blind hatred.

If I did, I would have to pos in all threads where criticism is

justified and clearly I do not.

You often seem to criticize others and sometimes insult others for no

other reason than their views are different than yours.

Expand your vision beyond your typical selective reading before you

make other FALSE statements.

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Jupiter Jones [MVP]

http://www3.telus.net/dandemar

http://www.dts-l.org

"Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

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> You forgot to add "Until the next time a Microsoft server goes down

> and labels you a thief".

>

> Why do you insist on labeling any justified criticism as "Blind

> Hatred"?