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July 3, 200717 yr

You too eh? UAC is a pain in the butt. LOL

Gary S. Terhune wrote:

> Enough for now, except to mention that UAC caused me to reboot to

> WinXP within 20 minutes of trying Vista. I've tried it a couple of

> times more, trying to wrap my head around it and learn to work with

> it, but...

> I suppose there's a way to totally disable UAC, but I get so

> disgusted that I lose patience and dump the whole project.

> "GO" <aa533@remove.this.chebucto.ns.ca> wrote in message

> news:ewD%23BLSvHHA.4328@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> I think we're sort of on the same wave length now. Windows can be a

>> secure OS when you have the proper mind-set/practices, but your

>> average user does not. And you can't fault them for that as they

>> just want a "box" that works, so ultimately it's Windows/MS's

>> responsibility to provide a safe/secure environment.

>> And you're right, switching back and forth is a PITA. MS should

>> have made better use of and a more robust "runas" feature. The

>> OS/applications also needs to be more limited account friendly too.

>> Things have improved considerably but there is still room for

>> improvment; games come to mind, as

>> there shouldn't be any reason you need to run as admin to play a

>> game.

>> As to what MS can do? An "in-your-face" greeting with a

>> tutorial/explaination about admin vs limited accounts would be a good

>> idea.

>> It liekly wouldn't solve all the problems but I'm sure it would

>> help. UAC (in Vista) is a step in the right direction although I

>> think it's fundamentally flawed. From what I've seen (so far) it

>> pops up far too often

>> and it's likely to create an environment where "Joe user" will

>> blindly start

>> pressing "Ok / Allow" to everything or just shut it off altogether.

>> This is

>> seen now with a lot of virus/malware infections. A lot of the time

>> the user

>> is actually prompted in IE, or has to physically double-click and

>> install/run something, before getting infected.

>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

>>> So you basically agree that it's not the OS that is faulty, it's bad

>>> practices and the fact that Windows is so friendly to apps that

>>> themselves are faulty. I'm always hearing people complain that

>>> Windows doesn't do this or that natively, and one of those things is

>>> malware protection. If Windows did all those things, MS would be hit

>>> with more anti-trust litigation than they already have been. I would

>>> think that even making Windows do some kind of quality control of

>>> apps would have similar results.

>>>

>>> As for the default admin account, I'm of two minds. Especially

>>> during initial setup, admin permissions are frequently required. I

>>> certainly wouldn't want the default to be a limited user account,

>>> but that's me -- I run as an admin all the time and don't have any

>>> resulting problems because I'm diligent about other good practices.

>>> With the way I use Windows, it would be a royal PITA to be

>>> switching back & forth. Only thing I can think of is to make a very

>>> strong, in-your-face greeting that would push you to create a

>>> limited user account and explain in detail why this is good

>>> practice, but not force it.

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July 4, 200717 yr

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> "M.I.5¾" <no.one@no.where.NO_SPAM.co.uk> wrote in message

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>> I would agree that running as an admin account is not a good thing to do.

>> Unfortunately, you don't have a great deal of option. Many applications

>> are written in a way that they won't run in anything other than an

>> administrator account. Have you any idea how many applications make an

>> alteration to the registry when starting up and another when closing

>> down? This can only happen when in administrator mode.

> And that's not really Windows' fault, is it? Blame the apps' developers.

It doesn't matter whose fault it is, it's a reality.

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