No longer have the program but can't get rid of these keys. I deleted them

from the registry but they return. They just show up in the start up menu.

so pose no problem but I don't understand why I can't eliminate them. Found

two DLLs in C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM zlcommdb and zlcomm but deletion did nothing.

Did everything listed on ZL web site but nada! I have to assume that a

program remnant is restoring them? Using w98se.

 

HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run\ | Zone Labs Client |

File

"C:\Program Files\Zone Labs\ZoneAlarm\zlclient.exe" does not exist.

 

HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunServices\ | TrueVector |

File

"C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\ZONELABS\VSMON.EXE" does not exist.

 

These appear in folders, Run > Run- > RunServices > RunServices- (unless

there are others I have not found?)

Sudy Nim wrote:

| No longer have the program but can't get rid of these keys. I deleted

| them from the registry but they return. They just show up in the

| start up menu. so pose no problem but I don't understand why I can't

| eliminate them. Found two DLLs in C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM zlcommdb and

| zlcomm but deletion did nothing. Did everything listed on ZL web site

| but nada! I have to assume that a program remnant is restoring them?

| Using w98se.

|

| HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run\ | Zone Labs

| Client | File

| "C:\Program Files\Zone Labs\ZoneAlarm\zlclient.exe" does not exist.

|

| HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunServices\ |

| TrueVector | File

| "C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\ZONELABS\VSMON.EXE" does not exist.

|

| These appear in folders, Run > Run- > RunServices > RunServices-

| (unless there are others I have not found?)

 

It's probably best to wait for someone who uses or has used ZoneAlarm.

But Registry keys that come back MIGHT be caused by an .inf in...

C:\Windows\Inf. You may need to set Folder Options to "view all files"

to see that folder.

 

Do you see an .inf in there with a ZoneAlarm kind of name? If so...

 

(a) Rename it.

(b) Look in the Registry for a mention of it too. Export, then delete

that key(s).

© Delete those mentionings in the Run & Run- & RunServices &

RunServices- Registry keys one final time.

"Sudy Nim" <pseudonym@noplace.com> wrote in message

news:a%chi.130883$Sa4.99913@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...

> No longer have the program but can't get rid of these keys. I deleted

them

> from the registry but they return. They just show up in the start up

menu.

> so pose no problem but I don't understand why I can't eliminate them.

Found

> two DLLs in C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM zlcommdb and zlcomm but deletion did

nothing.

> Did everything listed on ZL web site but nada! I have to assume that a

> program remnant is restoring them? Using w98se.

>

> HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run\ | Zone Labs Client

|

> File

> "C:\Program Files\Zone Labs\ZoneAlarm\zlclient.exe" does not exist.

>

> HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunServices\ |

TrueVector |

> File

> "C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\ZONELABS\VSMON.EXE" does not exist.

>

> These appear in folders, Run > Run- > RunServices > RunServices-

(unless

> there are others I have not found?)

 

Sudy,

 

First, empty your Recycle Bin.

 

Then to go to Start > Run > type in: regedit > OK > Edit > Find > type

in: ZoneAlarm > Find next. Delete everything applicable to ZoneAlarm,

but be careful if in doubt. Press F3 to continue your search.

 

Regards,

Emrys Davies.

"Sudy Nim" <pseudonym@noplace.com> wrote in message news:a%chi.130883$Sa4.99913@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...

> No longer have the program but can't get rid of these keys. I deleted them

> from the registry but they return. They just show up in the start up menu.

> so pose no problem but I don't understand why I can't eliminate them. Found

> two DLLs in C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM zlcommdb and zlcomm but deletion did nothing.

> Did everything listed on ZL web site but nada! I have to assume that a

> program remnant is restoring them? Using w98se.

>

> HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run\ | Zone Labs Client |

> File

> "C:\Program Files\Zone Labs\ZoneAlarm\zlclient.exe" does not exist.

>

> HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunServices\ | TrueVector |

> File

> "C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\ZONELABS\VSMON.EXE" does not exist.

>

> These appear in folders, Run > Run- > RunServices > RunServices- (unless

> there are others I have not found?)

 

Back up your registry, then start regedit and see if the following key exists. If so,

delete it.

 

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\VxD\VSDATA95

 

Ben

"Ben Myers" <benjmyers@mindR-e-m-o-v-Espring.com> wrote in message

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"Sudy Nim" <pseudonym@noplace.com> wrote in message

news:a%chi.130883$Sa4.99913@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...

> No longer have the program but can't get rid of these keys. I deleted them

> from the registry but they return. They just show up in the start up menu.

> so pose no problem but I don't understand why I can't eliminate them.

Found

> two DLLs in C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM zlcommdb and zlcomm but deletion did

nothing.

> Did everything listed on ZL web site but nada! I have to assume that a

> program remnant is restoring them? Using w98se.

>

> HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run\ | Zone Labs Client |

> File

> "C:\Program Files\Zone Labs\ZoneAlarm\zlclient.exe" does not exist.

>

> HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunServices\ | TrueVector |

> File

> "C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\ZONELABS\VSMON.EXE" does not exist.

>

> These appear in folders, Run > Run- > RunServices > RunServices- (unless

> there are others I have not found?)

 

Back up your registry, then start regedit and see if the following key

exists. If so,

delete it.

 

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\VxD\VSDATA95

 

Ben

 

PCR - nothing in C:\Windows\Inf that appears obviously connected to zone

alarm. Deleted Run & Run- & RunServices & RunServices- several times they

just keep returning.

---------------------------

Emrys Davies - go to Start > Run > type in: regedit > OK > Edit > Find >

type in: ZoneAlarm > Find next. Delete everything applicable to ZoneAlarm.

 

I tried Zone Alarm, ZoneAlarm, ZL, Zone Labs all the combinations I could

think of. Found about a dozen including the original four listed above but

no luck.

----------------------

Ben Myers - see if the following key exists. If so, delete it.

 

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\VxD\VSDATA95

 

It doesn't exist. :-(

-----------------------

Thanks PCR, Emerys Davies and Ben Myers, I tried all of the above without

success. I appreciate everyone taking time to suggest a cure. Should I find

something I'll post it here. It's a tricky little devil.

 

Sudy Nim

On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 19:23:50 GMT, "Sudy Nim" <pseudonym@noplace.com>

put finger to keyboard and composed:

>No longer have the program but can't get rid of these keys. I deleted them

>from the registry but they return. They just show up in the start up menu.

>so pose no problem but I don't understand why I can't eliminate them. Found

>two DLLs in C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM zlcommdb and zlcomm but deletion did nothing.

>Did everything listed on ZL web site but nada! I have to assume that a

>program remnant is restoring them? Using w98se.

>

>HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run\ | Zone Labs Client |

>File

> "C:\Program Files\Zone Labs\ZoneAlarm\zlclient.exe" does not exist.

>

>HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunServices\ | TrueVector |

>File

> "C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\ZONELABS\VSMON.EXE" does not exist.

>

>These appear in folders, Run > Run- > RunServices > RunServices- (unless

>there are others I have not found?)

 

Go to Start -> Run and type msinfo32.

 

Then look under Software Environment for likely suspects.

 

Or enable a C:\bootlog.txt file to record the modules that are loaded

during the boot process. You can do this by pressing F8 during bootup

and then choosing Logged mode from the startup menu.

 

- Franc Zabkar

--

Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

Sudy Nim wrote:

| "Ben Myers" <benjmyers@mindR-e-m-o-v-Espring.com> wrote in message

| news:Opwzd%231uHHA.4800@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

| "Sudy Nim" <pseudonym@noplace.com> wrote in message

| news:a%chi.130883$Sa4.99913@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...

|> No longer have the program but can't get rid of these keys. I

|> deleted them from the registry but they return. They just show up in

|> the start up menu. so pose no problem but I don't understand why I

|> can't eliminate them. Found two DLLs in C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM zlcommdb

|> and zlcomm but deletion did nothing. Did everything listed on ZL web

|> site but nada! I have to assume that a program remnant is restoring

|> them? Using w98se.

|>

|> HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run\ | Zone Labs

|> Client | File

|> "C:\Program Files\Zone Labs\ZoneAlarm\zlclient.exe" does not exist.

|>

|> HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunServices\ |

|> TrueVector | File

|> "C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\ZONELABS\VSMON.EXE" does not exist.

|>

|> These appear in folders, Run > Run- > RunServices > RunServices-

|> (unless there are others I have not found?)

|

| Back up your registry, then start regedit and see if the following key

| exists. If so,

| delete it.

|

| HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\VxD\VSDATA95

|

| Ben

|

| PCR - nothing in C:\Windows\Inf that appears obviously connected to

| zone alarm. Deleted Run & Run- & RunServices & RunServices- several

| times they just keep returning.

 

I'm trying to think. In the meantime, maybe show us the Startup Group...

 

"START button, Run, MSInfo32, Software Environment, Startup Programs", &

use the Edit menu to select all, copy.

 

| ---------------------------

| Emrys Davies - go to Start > Run > type in: regedit > OK > Edit >

| Find > type in: ZoneAlarm > Find next. Delete everything applicable

| to ZoneAlarm.

|

| I tried Zone Alarm, ZoneAlarm, ZL, Zone Labs all the combinations I

| could think of. Found about a dozen including the original four

| listed above but no luck.

| ----------------------

| Ben Myers - see if the following key exists. If so, delete it.

|

| HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\VxD\VSDATA95

|

| It doesn't exist. :-(

| -----------------------

| Thanks PCR, Emerys Davies and Ben Myers, I tried all of the above

| without success. I appreciate everyone taking time to suggest a cure.

| Should I find something I'll post it here. It's a tricky little devil.

|

| Sudy Nim

 

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

pcrrcp@netzero.net

Sudy Nim wrote:

> No longer have the program but can't get rid of these keys.

 

You don't need zone alarm or any firewall.

 

You should have a nat-router (or a modem with NAT functionality).

 

Firewall software is obsolete, a nuisance, and an unnecessary drain on

the performance of your system. Only those living in the past use

them.

"98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message news:4687BA93.82EC6487@Guy.com...

| Sudy Nim wrote:

|

| > No longer have the program but can't get rid of these keys.

|

| You don't need zone alarm or any firewall.

|

| You should have a nat-router (or a modem with NAT functionality).

|

| Firewall software is obsolete, a nuisance, and an unnecessary drain on

| the performance of your system. Only those living in the past use

| them.

 

As promised to the group;; I would bust 98 Guy everytime he spouted this

trash.....

 

 

Once again, I remind the world to ignore 98 Guy, he has no concern for your

security, and little knowledge of what security means or entails. He

suggests at times to review his postings in here for his various

presentations. I suggest all do.

NOTE specifically, that he NEVER fully tests ANYTHING he presents, and when

confronted with his failings, or what is necessary to proof his issue, he

DOES NOT do the test/proof.

 

This group has repeatedly advised him to stop these ignorant presentations,

but he persists.

 

Let's let another person, from another forum place comment [which reflect

every expert's comments across the world btw]

[microsoft.public.windowsXP.network_web]

NOTE: this discusses local network aspects as well.

 

From: "Vanguard" <no@mail.invalid>

Subject: Re: Do I need two firewalls

Date: Thursday, June 28, 2007 7:25 PM

 

"Maincat" wrote in message

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> I have a four machine network, all machines going through a router

> that has

> a SPI firewall. I also have a software firewall on each machine.

>

> My question is, do I need the software firewall on each machine?

 

 

The router's firewall cannot specify application rules as to whether or

not you want an application to have network access and, if so, just what

types of access that it gets (TCP, UDP, ports, time of access or denial,

etc.). The router's firewall doesn't know what application is

generating what network traffic. Only the software firewall running on

your host can do that. Do you trust everyone of your "normal"

applications won't connect without your permission or without telling

you they are connecting? Feel lucky if that is true.

 

Software firewalls are handy for regulating network access for

applications running on that host provided those applications aren't

smart malware programs trying to circumvent or disable the firewall

(your router's firewall can't handle malware, either, that makes

otherwise unauthorized and undeclared outbound connections). If you

want some application-centric regulation over software's OUTBOUND access

then you need a local firewall.

 

Don't expect your router's firewall to be much more useful that

Microsoft's software firewall. You may get some host-centric control

over Internet/network access but other than that then it won't know what

app is trying to get a connection. Routers have very simplistic

firewalls and are not equivalent to firewall appliances. Look at the

router's firewall like you look at Microsoft's software firewall: some

protection from unsolicited inbound connect attempts but nothing for

regulation of outbound connect attempts by applications (and only some

regulation based on hosts). What you get for protection depends

entirely on how potent a firewall is included in the router. Some

routers let you define rules on which hosts can connect to your

intranetwork, to other hosts and which ones on your intranetwork, which

ones get Internet (external) connects, during what times they can

connect, quotas on bandwidth, QOS, and so on, all of which is outbound

regulation (from a host to other hosts or the Internet).

 

Some routers' firewalls include inbound protection, like stateful packet

inspection, to protect you against unsolicited inbound connect attempts

and may even provide heuristics or rules to detect certain known type of

attacks, but all in all the router's firewall is pretty basic. It may

end up duplicating the inbound protection that your software firewall

provides but it lacks any outbound protection afforded by a software

firewall running on a local host. The inbound duplication isn't

hurtful. It just means that anything your router's firewall caught

doesn't have to be caught by your software firewall and then take CPU

cycles to handle.

---------- END

 

NOTE how important software firewalls are. Many Router manufacturers are

now INCLUDING them with their products. So that should pretty much tell

everyone [even 98 Guy] you STILL need them. The firewalls included with the

routers may or may NOT be sufficient though.

Note also, that myself and others in those prior discussions, have

repeatedly advised 98 Guy, that resource usage is not overly excessive, such

as mine [Kerio PFW] only takes 1.8 M [using memload] whereas MSIMN takes

16.7 [offline], AVG takes 10.6, DDHELP 3.3.

Now the Suites WILL consume much more, but they generally include Spyware,

Anti-v, firewall, email hooks, pop-up blockers, and proxy style servers

among other aspects. XP and Vista versions consume even more [duh]. They may

also be more troublesome to maintain.

 

 

http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ref/gen/support_end.htm

Maurice discusses continued use of Windows 98 and Millennium after

support end, and how to secure your computer.

 

http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ref/gen/security/firewalls.htm

FIREWALLS - WHY YOU NEED ONE AND WHAT TO DO

 

http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ref/gen/security/antivirus.htm

ANTI-VIRUS Programs as part of your Layered Security

 

http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ref/gen/security/spyware.htm

Anti-spyware programs as part of Layered Security

 

http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ref/gen/security/NETWORKING.htm

GENERAL WINDOWS NETWORKING DIAGNOSTICS AND SETUP - Part 3 of Layered

Security

 

http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ref/gen/security/certs_install.htm

INSTALLATION OF SIGNING AND TRUST CERTIFICATES - PART 4 of LAYERED SECURITY,

an essential part for local and Internet usage

 

http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ref/gen/sys_diagnos.htm

Diagnosing unknown problems or programs in Windows using tools by

Sysinternals and others

 

http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ref/gen/sys_diag2.htm

Diagnosing unknown problems or programs in Windows using tools by

Sysinternals - Part 2 - mainly for NT based systems, though useful for

others

 

So as usual, ignore the ramblings of 98 Guy... he is nowhere near an

expert, or even a competent computer user, an apparent fact he has displayed

in this group numerous times..

 

As for your persistent ZoneAlarm entries:

 

If you have followed the other suggestions [including creating a bootlog

and reviewing it; the inf check; AND check your *Send To* folder] and have

yet to get them removed you could try a registry search.

Regseeker by HoverDesk makes a complete review of your registry for old or

obsolete entries. It also has a search function which you could use to

locate the errant entries. Be extremely careful of what you remove, and make

sure you keep the *Make Backups* checked, just in case. DO NOT remove all of

the ActiveX entries it will find, they are place holders [disabled]... You

can also use Autoruns by sysinternals to review any potential Startup

entries...

 

--

MEB

http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

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