What questions are deemed proper for the "General Newsgroup" I have posted

numerous times and always get rebuked and chastised for my postings. To me

and Webster and Cambridge "General means all encompassing. What does it mean

to the people on this Newsgroup? What kind of rule do you apply? James

This group is for general questions regarding the use of, operation of, and

problems with the Windows XP operating system. Problems that occur within

specific applications are typically directed towards the appropriate group,

if available. For example, receiving Windows system errors when booting,

having problems with display settings, etc, are asked here, while getting an

error when launching Outlook Express would be better asked in the Outlook

Express group, issues with Internet Explorer errors are better asked in the

Internet Explorer group, and so on.

 

Basically if you can narrow your problem down to a particular thing--such as

your .NET question, or knowing you installed IE7 when a problem

occurred--and there is a newsgroup for that thing, that's the first place

you should go. If there are no groups that seem to deal with your problem,

then you can try to fall back here. :)

 

Joe

 

"jamrs w. morgsn" <jamrswmorgsn@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:3345F04A-C1C8-494A-A8AC-C15BC1D02E9C@microsoft.com...

> What questions are deemed proper for the "General Newsgroup" I have posted

> numerous times and always get rebuked and chastised for my postings. To me

> and Webster and Cambridge "General means all encompassing. What does it

> mean

> to the people on this Newsgroup? What kind of rule do you apply? James

Hi James,

 

While I generally agree with you (and the rest) *my* definition of "general"

in this NG is slightly diferrent. AFAIK, general means any topic that does

*not* have a more specific newsgroup where a question might be posed

instead. A couple of examples would be questions about Windows Update

problems, or another one about Outlook Express. Many times there are

answers in both the specific and "general" NG's.

 

I don't believe anyone is intentionally chastising you, but rather just

trying to steer you somewhere you mind find help a little quicker, or

perhaps more experts on that subject a little faster.

 

--

HTH,

Curt

 

Windows Support Center

http://www.aumha.org

Practically Nerded,...

http://dundats.mvps.org/Index.htm

 

"jamrs w. morgsn" <jamrswmorgsn@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:3345F04A-C1C8-494A-A8AC-C15BC1D02E9C@microsoft.com...

| What questions are deemed proper for the "General Newsgroup" I have posted

| numerous times and always get rebuked and chastised for my postings. To me

| and Webster and Cambridge "General means all encompassing. What does it

mean

| to the people on this Newsgroup? What kind of rule do you apply? James

On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 10:02:05 -0700, jamrs w. morgsn

<jamrswmorgsn@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> What questions are deemed proper for the "General Newsgroup" I have posted

> numerous times and always get rebuked and chastised for my postings.

 

 

 

Nobody should rebuke or chastise you for posting to the wrong group

(although an occasional person here is rude), but people are likely to

point out a better place to ask.

 

> To me

> and Webster and Cambridge "General means all encompassing. What does it mean

> to the people on this Newsgroup? What kind of rule do you apply? James

 

 

"General" doesn't really mean "all-encompassing" here. It means "not

covered elsewhere."

 

Anything about Windows XP (not some application that runs beneath it)

where there isn't a more specific newsgroup to ask is appropriate

here. For example, even though Internet Explorer is part of Windows,

there is a separate Internet Explorer newsgroup. The IE experts tend

to hang out in the IE newsgroup, so if you ask such questions there

instead of here, you are likely to get better help.

 

--

Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User

Please Reply to the Newsgroup

jamrs w. morgsn wrote:

> What questions are deemed proper for the "General Newsgroup" I have posted

> numerous times and always get rebuked and chastised for my postings. To me

> and Webster and Cambridge "General means all encompassing. What does it mean

> to the people on this Newsgroup? What kind of rule do you apply? James

 

Hi James,

 

You ask a very good question. I have been chastised in other

groups for the same reason.

 

Here in m.s.w.g, the rule of thumb is that the question

should be 'directly' related to the WindowsXP operating system.

 

The problem of course is that for a lot of computer 'users',

they do not 'know' if the problem is OS related or

application related. Then of course there are problems that

are OS related but will effect specific applications.

 

What I tend to do is assume that the problem is application

related unless there is a compelling reason for me to

believe it must be OS related. For example if I have the

identical problem in a couple of different applications I

may then look at it being OS related.

 

What's funny though is that I consider Internet Explorer to

be a separate application. A lot of people here don't and

have no problem with questions about it.

 

As to the rude talk here. You have to realize how

frustrating it is to have the same questions asked over and

over again. Or people who DEMAND help but don't give them

enough information to make even an informed guess. As you

read through this group, you will see that there are about 2

dozen major contributors if you consider how much the

contribute, and little impatience and frustration should be

humored <LOL>.

 

Ciao . . . C.Joseph

 

"A promise is nothing more than an attempt,

to respond to an unreasonable request."

 

http://blog.tlerma.com/

(A Windows professional's view of entering the Linux world)

"jamrs w. morgsn" <jamrswmorgsn@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote

> What questions are deemed proper for the "General Newsgroup" I have posted

> numerous times and always get rebuked and chastised for my postings. To me

> and Webster and Cambridge "General means all encompassing. What does it

> mean

> to the people on this Newsgroup? What kind of rule do you apply? James

 

Out of curiosity I did a Google Groups search for posts by you in the

microsoft.public.windowsxp.general newsgroup, under your current posting

name, from 1/1/07 to the present. I found four threads, including this one

One was in May, reference a problem with IE7. You received one response

which resolved the issue. You weren't redirected to any other newsgroup.

 

You made another post just a few days ago about difficulty with installing

..Net Framework 1.1. Two folks replied. One gave you a link to an article to

look at. The other offered info on what the error you were getting normally

means, which can be taken as a direction to a solution, and suggested you

could try posting to some other appropriate newsgroups. He gave you a links

to two possible groups.

 

You made one post on June 1 about the same topic as this current thread. In

that you phrased things differently, just asking what questions are

appropriate for the general newsgroup. You received four replies providing

the same info that has again been presented in this thread.

 

Now you post the same thing again, but this time state you "always get

rebuked and chastised for my postings.".

 

Unless you are posting under a different name, this Google search doesn't

support that contention. Frankly, I don't see where you are coming from

with this post.

 

To add to what others have said, one can post a question in whatever

newsgroup you want. But it's worthwhile to post to a group that is

appropriate for the subject matter, and an important issue is where you are

most likely to receive the best help. Most posters in here, if they know

the answer, will give it to you along with possibly a suggestion on where to

post in the future for that topic. If the poster doesn't know they might be

very helpful and post an actual the link to a recommended location to look

for info, or they might just suggest you go to an "XYZ" newsgroup. All are

reasonable ways of answering what might be called an "off topic" or OT post.

 

Some can be more sharp than others in how they phrase this, but most try to

be helpful in directing the OP to the best place.

 

Certain apps are installed with the XP OS, for example Outlook Express and

Internet Explorer. So posting questions about them here is certainly

appropriate, and many such questions, as was the case with one of yours

about IE7, was answered here. But there are specific newsgroups for these

items, so if the person who replies doesn't know, they very well might refer

you to that specific newsgroup.

 

For IE, XP comes with version 6. IE7 is an update, so one could make the

argument that IE6 questions are ok here , but IE7 should go elsewhere.

That's hair splitting and not what these groups are about. It's about users

helping users resolve problems.

 

I think you might want to take a closer look at this issue, and not take

offense at attempts by users to help by redirecting an inquiry elsewhere

 

--

Rock [MS-MVP User/Shell]

"jamrs w. morgsn" <jamrswmorgsn@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:3345F04A-C1C8-494A-A8AC-C15BC1D02E9C@microsoft.com...

> What questions are deemed proper for the "General Newsgroup" I have posted

> numerous times and always get rebuked and chastised for my postings. To me

> and Webster and Cambridge "General means all encompassing. What does it

> mean

> to the people on this Newsgroup? What kind of rule do you apply? James

 

You have gotten good answers to this message both now and from the message

on about June 1. But I was also facinated by your call it the "General

Newsgroup". From my point of view, this is the USENET newsgroup

microsoft.public.windowsxp.general.

 

One can read the newsgroups through any nntp: protocol newsreader. One such

newsreader is included in Microsoft Outlook Express. This is the one I

happen to use, but my understanding is that there are better ones.

 

I realize there are several web-based interfaces to this group including

from Microsoft's site and Google groups. But I had not seen one that would

indicate this was "General Newsgroup". But then I discovered a web-based

interface on http://www.windowskb.com that when open up a message (for example your

thread), gives the title at the top "General Newsgroup". In also includes

higher on the page some indication that it is a Windows XP group.

 

My opinion is the same as one of the other responses: You post a message in

microsoft.public.windowsxp.general if you have a question about Windows XP

that does not belong in another microsoft.public.windowsxp.* group. As they

say in other messages, questions about other products should be in a group

that is appropriate to the product.

 

So this leads to my question back to you:

How do you interface to the USENET newsgroups including

nntp://microsoft.public.windowsxp.general?

 

Paul

Rock wrote:

> "jamrs w. morgsn" <jamrswmorgsn@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote

>> What questions are deemed proper for the "General Newsgroup" I have

>> posted

>> numerous times and always get rebuked and chastised for my postings. To

>> me

>> and Webster and Cambridge "General means all encompassing. What does it

>> mean

>> to the people on this Newsgroup? What kind of rule do you apply? James

>

> Out of curiosity I did a Google Groups search for posts by you in the

> microsoft.public.windowsxp.general newsgroup, under your current posting

> name, from 1/1/07 to the present. I found four threads, including this

> one

> One was in May, reference a problem with IE7. You received one response

> which resolved the issue. You weren't redirected to any other newsgroup.

>

> You made another post just a few days ago about difficulty with installing

> .Net Framework 1.1. Two folks replied. One gave you a link to an article

> to

> look at. The other offered info on what the error you were getting

> normally

> means, which can be taken as a direction to a solution, and suggested you

> could try posting to some other appropriate newsgroups. He gave you a

> links

> to two possible groups.

>

> You made one post on June 1 about the same topic as this current thread.

> In

> that you phrased things differently, just asking what questions are

> appropriate for the general newsgroup. You received four replies

> providing

> the same info that has again been presented in this thread.

>

> Now you post the same thing again, but this time state you "always get

> rebuked and chastised for my postings.".

>

> Unless you are posting under a different name, this Google search doesn't

> support that contention. Frankly, I don't see where you are coming from

> with this post.

>

> To add to what others have said, one can post a question in whatever

> newsgroup you want. But it's worthwhile to post to a group that is

> appropriate for the subject matter, and an important issue is where you

> are

> most likely to receive the best help. Most posters in here, if they know

> the answer, will give it to you along with possibly a suggestion on where

> to

> post in the future for that topic. If the poster doesn't know they might

> be

> very helpful and post an actual the link to a recommended location to look

> for info, or they might just suggest you go to an "XYZ" newsgroup. All

> are

> reasonable ways of answering what might be called an "off topic" or OT

> post.

>

> Some can be more sharp than others in how they phrase this, but most try

> to

> be helpful in directing the OP to the best place.

>

> Certain apps are installed with the XP OS, for example Outlook Express and

> Internet Explorer. So posting questions about them here is certainly

> appropriate, and many such questions, as was the case with one of yours

> about IE7, was answered here. But there are specific newsgroups for these

> items, so if the person who replies doesn't know, they very well might

> refer

> you to that specific newsgroup.

>

> For IE, XP comes with version 6. IE7 is an update, so one could make the

> argument that IE6 questions are ok here , but IE7 should go elsewhere.

> That's hair splitting and not what these groups are about. It's about

> users

> helping users resolve problems.

>

> I think you might want to take a closer look at this issue, and not take

> offense at attempts by users to help by redirecting an inquiry elsewhere.

 

<applause>

 

All newsgroup posts by this OP:

http://groups.google.com/groups/search?q=jamrswmorgsn&start=0&scoring=d&hl=en

--

~PA Bear

"jamrs w. morgsn" <jamrswmorgsn@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:3345F04A-C1C8-494A-A8AC-C15BC1D02E9C@microsoft.com...

> What questions are deemed proper for the "General Newsgroup" I have posted

> numerous times and always get rebuked and chastised for my postings. To me

> and Webster and Cambridge "General means all encompassing. What does it

> mean

> to the people on this Newsgroup? What kind of rule do you apply? James

 

Doesn't matter what anyone participating in the newsgroup thinks, its what

the administrator for this particular newsgroup thinks. He/she decides

whether your post can be allowed without deletion.

 

A redirect, by a respondent, to a more specialized newsgroup is not

considered a form of chastisement.

 

Some ask actual msdos specific questions.

Win98/ME questions.

Bios questions.

3rd party software questions.

MS application questions

MS programs integral to XP questions (Outlook Express for example).

Hardware specific questions.

Combination of any of the above questions.

 

I don't care. I just want specific detail enough for an appropriate and

specific response. Alot of responses I see to general such questions are

based on expected conditions of respondents's expections. Full of holes for

readers with similar but not same/identical conditions. Guess what the

nonparticipant readers are doing after reading such?

 

Dave

=?Utf-8?B?amFtcnMgdy4gbW9yZ3Nu?= wrote:

>

> What questions are deemed proper for the "General Newsgroup" I have posted

> numerous times and always get rebuked and chastised for my postings. To me

> and Webster and Cambridge "General means all encompassing. What does it mean

> to the people on this Newsgroup? What kind of rule do you apply? James

 

You have to read a newsgroup for time to see who really takes the hobby

seriously and those that just post in them just to make trouble for new

poster's questions. Personally, I take the hobby seriously but I am

often rude and curt but that's just my personality. Dont take any

responses you dont like seriously, it's just a newsgroup that ANYBODY

can post in, even me. With time, you will learn what people you can

trust that are really trying to help. In this group, the MS MVPs take

their hobby VERY seriously. And then people who are just have nothing

else to do with their life but cause trouble.

 

Personally, I use and visit USEnet groups because I can find lots of

potential answers to help me with my job to help me fix PCs on the

road/house visites, and find links to my webpages that will help

others.

 

 

--

http://www.bootdisk.com/

Lil' Dave wrote:

> "jamrs w. morgsn" <jamrswmorgsn@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

> message

> news:3345F04A-C1C8-494A-A8AC-C15BC1D02E9C@microsoft.com...

>> What questions are deemed proper for the "General Newsgroup" I have

>> posted

>> numerous times and always get rebuked and chastised for my postings. To

>> me

>> and Webster and Cambridge "General means all encompassing. What does it

>> mean

>> to the people on this Newsgroup? What kind of rule do you apply? James

>

> Doesn't matter what anyone participating in the newsgroup thinks, its what

> the administrator for this particular newsgroup thinks. He/she decides

> whether your post can be allowed without deletion.

 

Sorry, but this is not a Moderated newsgroup and there is no Admin here.

--

~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User)

AumHa VSOP & Admin; DTS-L.org

Bear, You didn't hear about my promotion?? <BG>

Talk about the "blind leading the blind....."

 

--

HTH,

Curt

 

Windows Support Center

http://www.aumha.org

Practically Nerded,...

http://dundats.mvps.org/Index.htm

 

"PA Bear" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:eQ2rSYuuHHA.4764@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

| Sorry, but this is not a Moderated newsgroup and there is no Admin here.

| --

| ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

| MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User)

| AumHa VSOP & Admin; DTS-L.org

|

<thwack>

 

Curt Christianson wrote:

> Bear, You didn't hear about my promotion?? <BG>

> Talk about the "blind leading the blind....."

>

>

> "PA Bear" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

> news:eQ2rSYuuHHA.4764@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> Sorry, but this is not a Moderated newsgroup and there is no Admin here.

>> --

>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

>> MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User)

>> AumHa VSOP & Admin; DTS-L.org

did our net nanny roxanne also check to see if diaper needed changing and whether burping was needed after feeding.

 

its amazing the amount of time people spend to try and appear smart.

 

 

 

mikeyhsd@comcast.net

 

 

 

"Rock" <Rock@nospam.net> wrote in message news:uNmi4pruHHA.2008@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

"jamrs w. morgsn" <jamrswmorgsn@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote

> What questions are deemed proper for the "General Newsgroup" I have posted

> numerous times and always get rebuked and chastised for my postings. To me

> and Webster and Cambridge "General means all encompassing. What does it

> mean

> to the people on this Newsgroup? What kind of rule do you apply? James

 

Out of curiosity I did a Google Groups search for posts by you in the

microsoft.public.windowsxp.general newsgroup, under your current posting

name, from 1/1/07 to the present. I found four threads, including this one

One was in May, reference a problem with IE7. You received one response

which resolved the issue. You weren't redirected to any other newsgroup.

 

You made another post just a few days ago about difficulty with installing

.Net Framework 1.1. Two folks replied. One gave you a link to an article to

look at. The other offered info on what the error you were getting normally

means, which can be taken as a direction to a solution, and suggested you

could try posting to some other appropriate newsgroups. He gave you a links

to two possible groups.

 

You made one post on June 1 about the same topic as this current thread. In

that you phrased things differently, just asking what questions are

appropriate for the general newsgroup. You received four replies providing

the same info that has again been presented in this thread.

 

Now you post the same thing again, but this time state you "always get

rebuked and chastised for my postings.".

 

Unless you are posting under a different name, this Google search doesn't

support that contention. Frankly, I don't see where you are coming from

with this post.

 

To add to what others have said, one can post a question in whatever

newsgroup you want. But it's worthwhile to post to a group that is

appropriate for the subject matter, and an important issue is where you are

most likely to receive the best help. Most posters in here, if they know

the answer, will give it to you along with possibly a suggestion on where to

post in the future for that topic. If the poster doesn't know they might be

very helpful and post an actual the link to a recommended location to look

for info, or they might just suggest you go to an "XYZ" newsgroup. All are

reasonable ways of answering what might be called an "off topic" or OT post.

 

Some can be more sharp than others in how they phrase this, but most try to

be helpful in directing the OP to the best place.

 

Certain apps are installed with the XP OS, for example Outlook Express and

Internet Explorer. So posting questions about them here is certainly

appropriate, and many such questions, as was the case with one of yours

about IE7, was answered here. But there are specific newsgroups for these

items, so if the person who replies doesn't know, they very well might refer

you to that specific newsgroup.

 

For IE, XP comes with version 6. IE7 is an update, so one could make the

argument that IE6 questions are ok here , but IE7 should go elsewhere.

That's hair splitting and not what these groups are about. It's about users

helping users resolve problems.

 

I think you might want to take a closer look at this issue, and not take

offense at attempts by users to help by redirecting an inquiry elsewhere

 

--

Rock [MS-MVP User/Shell]

On Jul 1, 7:11 am, "mikeyhsd" <mikey...@sport.rr.com> wrote:

> its amazing the amount of time people spend to try and appear smart.

>

> mikey...@comcast.net

 

It's amazing how little time others need to prove their stupidity.

 

I don't know about the others here, but I'm definitely questioning the

credibility of someone called "mikey". "Mikey" is either a kid, or an

adult who never grew up.

I can only speak for myself, but if it weren't for the MVP's, and that

includes Rock, and a lot of other knowledgable souls in these NG's, I'd

still be trying to find the power switch on this machine.

 

Give *all* the guys/gals a break here--they are only trying to help.

You appear to be a smart guy--wise up and start giving some *real* help

here, while keeping your mind open to the idea that some of our pet theories

or practices that we've carried around and nurtured for all these years may

be a bunch of *BUNK* !

 

--

HTH,

Curt

 

Windows Support Center

http://www.aumha.org

Practically Nerded,...

http://dundats.mvps.org/Index.htm

 

"mikeyhsd" <mikeyhsd@sport.rr.com> wrote in message

news:uUMtCk9uHHA.5028@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

did our net nanny roxanne also check to see if diaper needed changing and

whether burping was needed after feeding.

 

its amazing the amount of time people spend to try and appear smart.

 

 

 

mikeyhsd@comcast.net

 

 

 

"Rock" <Rock@nospam.net> wrote in message

news:uNmi4pruHHA.2008@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

"jamrs w. morgsn" <jamrswmorgsn@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote

> What questions are deemed proper for the "General Newsgroup" I have

posted

> numerous times and always get rebuked and chastised for my postings. To

me

> and Webster and Cambridge "General means all encompassing. What does it

> mean

> to the people on this Newsgroup? What kind of rule do you apply? James

 

Out of curiosity I did a Google Groups search for posts by you in the

microsoft.public.windowsxp.general newsgroup, under your current posting

name, from 1/1/07 to the present. I found four threads, including this

one

One was in May, reference a problem with IE7. You received one response

which resolved the issue. You weren't redirected to any other newsgroup.

 

You made another post just a few days ago about difficulty with installing

.Net Framework 1.1. Two folks replied. One gave you a link to an article

to

look at. The other offered info on what the error you were getting

normally

means, which can be taken as a direction to a solution, and suggested you

could try posting to some other appropriate newsgroups. He gave you a

links

to two possible groups.

 

You made one post on June 1 about the same topic as this current thread.

In

that you phrased things differently, just asking what questions are

appropriate for the general newsgroup. You received four replies

providing

the same info that has again been presented in this thread.

 

Now you post the same thing again, but this time state you "always get

rebuked and chastised for my postings.".

 

Unless you are posting under a different name, this Google search doesn't

support that contention. Frankly, I don't see where you are coming from

with this post.

 

To add to what others have said, one can post a question in whatever

newsgroup you want. But it's worthwhile to post to a group that is

appropriate for the subject matter, and an important issue is where you

are

most likely to receive the best help. Most posters in here, if they know

the answer, will give it to you along with possibly a suggestion on where

to

post in the future for that topic. If the poster doesn't know they might

be

very helpful and post an actual the link to a recommended location to look

for info, or they might just suggest you go to an "XYZ" newsgroup. All

are

reasonable ways of answering what might be called an "off topic" or OT

post.

 

Some can be more sharp than others in how they phrase this, but most try

to

be helpful in directing the OP to the best place.

 

Certain apps are installed with the XP OS, for example Outlook Express and

Internet Explorer. So posting questions about them here is certainly

appropriate, and many such questions, as was the case with one of yours

about IE7, was answered here. But there are specific newsgroups for these

items, so if the person who replies doesn't know, they very well might

refer

you to that specific newsgroup.

 

For IE, XP comes with version 6. IE7 is an update, so one could make the

argument that IE6 questions are ok here , but IE7 should go elsewhere.

That's hair splitting and not what these groups are about. It's about

users

helping users resolve problems.

 

I think you might want to take a closer look at this issue, and not take

offense at attempts by users to help by redirecting an inquiry elsewhere

 

--

Rock [MS-MVP User/Shell]