is there anyone left who likes vista?

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August 31, 200717 yr

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in news:e#

> "So what exactly should be different between..."

> If you have used Windows Vista you already know there are differences.

> Like any product, not just technology, the differences need to be

> learned if the maximum use is desired.

> Only the user can decide what that user needs to learn for their

> situation.

>

I guess every time you get a new car you have to 'learn to drive' again.

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August 31, 200717 yr

Adam Albright wrote:

> On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:01:22 -0500, DanS

> <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote:

>

>> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in

>> news:OoJ7TT16HHA.3624@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl:

>>

>>> Some have made a little effort to learn how to use Windows Vista, just

>>> as is necessary with almost any new product, not just technology.

>> So what exactly should be different between using an earlier version of

>> Windows and Vista that would require learning 'how' to use Vista?

>

> Good question. You learn how to use Windows once, then you've learned

> Windows. Period. <wink>

>

> It find it hilarious that MVPs and of course fanboys in particular try

> to make a big deal about all that's to "learn" in Vista. Sure, some

> things have changed, been moved, renamed, altered, hidden, replaced,

> screwed-up. What else is new. Microsoft does that with every new

> version of Windows.

>

It is interesting that the only thing to learn is what is the same but

rearranged, it other words the "New" system is not really new, or

better, just different. There is absolutely nothing to "Learn" except

why they moved it, so there is a form of "Learning" but it's much the

same as a rat might learn in an adjustable maze experiment. Can the rat

find the food - can the user find "Add / Remove Programs". The rat may

think it's in a whole new world. In the end though the food is just the

same.

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August 31, 200717 yr

I never said that.

But every time I had a new vehicle, I have had to learn the new

placement of different items such as the placement of the light

control, cruise control, radio etc.

Even then some of the controls are completely different.

Those types of changes need to be learned with every new vehicle if

those features are to be used.

The same applies when a new vehicle comes with a feature not

previously on vehicles.

There obviously is a learning curve with a different car.

--

Jupiter Jones [MVP]

"DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote in message

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> I guess every time you get a new car you have to 'learn to drive'

> again.

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August 31, 200717 yr

"So you have no answer."

I answered and it seems you read my answer.

If that does not answer, rephrase your question.

--

Jupiter Jones [MVP]

"DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote in message

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> So you have no answer.

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August 31, 200717 yr

On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:01:37 +0300, vista terminal ator wrote:

> I remember when vista first came out people were saying how great it

> was.. then slowly but steadily they started backpedaling...

>

> now most of those same people are saying that they are waiting for SP1

> to save them... LOL

Steve Embalmer still likes it. I doubt he uses it, though. You can bet he

wants everybody else to use it.

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August 31, 200717 yr

I like Vista ok. When I had to get a new computer early this year, I would have preferred XP, but Vista was all that was available locally.

I have had very few problems with it.

<here@home.again> wrote in message news:OThkBjx6HHA.4584@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> "vista terminal ator" challenged...

>>I remember when vista first came out people were saying how great it was..

>>then slowly but steadily they started backpedaling...

>>

>> now most of those same people are saying that they are waiting for SP1 to

>> save them... LOL

>>

> Sure, I still think it's a really good system for home users, but I told my

> boss we shouldn't jump into it, because what we have already is doing the

> job. Mainly, though, it's because most of my co-workers would choke on the

> learning curve, as they call it. -)

>

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August 31, 200717 yr

On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 19:21:21 -0600, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"

<jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote:

>I never said that.

>But every time I had a new vehicle, I have had to learn the new

>placement of different items such as the placement of the light

>control, cruise control, radio etc.

>Even then some of the controls are completely different.

>Those types of changes need to be learned with every new vehicle if

>those features are to be used.

>The same applies when a new vehicle comes with a feature not

>previously on vehicles.

>There obviously is a learning curve with a different car.

Actually no. The critical things are standardized. The brake pedal is

always left of the gas pedal. In the states the steering wheel is

always on the left side. Tires take air. It says P for park, D for

drive.

Yes bells and whistles change. That's all that changes in Windows

version to version. There's a new opening and closing "tune", wow, I'm

impressed I had to "learn" that. The desktop is prettier, but most

people still keep their popular shortcuts there and shortcuts still

start applications like they always have.

That's why I don't get what people are saying they have to "learn"

Vista. Click on File to open a file. It's been like that from the

beginning. Files are still displayed in Windows Explorer. The

structure is still two window panes, you still can expand and collapse

folders. You still click on Start to exit as dumb as it is. -)

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August 31, 200717 yr

It sure would be nice if Microsoft would allow the MVP's to moderate these

newsgroups.

--------------------

Falling is harmless. The abrupt stop at the end is not.

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

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> On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:26:22 -0600, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"

> <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote:

>

>>"for some perverted reason"

>>Some have made a little effort to learn how to use Windows Vista, just

>>as is necessary with almost any new product, not just technology.

>>Shame you consider learning as "perverted".

>

> You're starting to stink up the newsgroup again with your silly high

> and mighty pontificating routine.

>

> Point of observation: The less posts from MVPs, the less noise there

> is in this newsgroup.

>

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August 31, 200717 yr

oh so then we would have only stinky malformed delerious opinions about how

great the worse edition of windows ever really is!

"David A. Spicer" <vista_ultimate_fan@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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> It sure would be nice if Microsoft would allow the MVP's to moderate these

> newsgroups.

> --------------------

> Falling is harmless. The abrupt stop at the end is not.

>

> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

> news:95jed3hssrkj27ugamrgpahvi98h3qg4lb@4ax.com...

>> On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:26:22 -0600, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"

>> <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote:

>>

>>>"for some perverted reason"

>>>Some have made a little effort to learn how to use Windows Vista, just

>>>as is necessary with almost any new product, not just technology.

>>>Shame you consider learning as "perverted".

>>

>> You're starting to stink up the newsgroup again with your silly high

>> and mighty pontificating routine.

>>

>> Point of observation: The less posts from MVPs, the less noise there

>> is in this newsgroup.

>>

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August 31, 200717 yr

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in

news:O7mv5826HHA.5184@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:

> "So you have no answer."

> I answered and it seems you read my answer.

> If that does not answer, rephrase your question.

>

No you didn't.

The question was: So what exactly should be different between using an

earlier version of Windows and Vista that would require learning 'how' to

use Vista?

Your answer was: If you have used Windows Vista you already know there

are differences. Like any product, not just technology, the differences

need to be learned if the maximum use is desired. Only the user can

decide what that user needs to learn for their situation.

The last time I heard an 'answer' like that it was from GeorgeW.

Nonsense. Politico speak.

Oh wait. I guess it's my fault that I don't understand your answer.

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August 31, 200717 yr

"Oh wait. I guess it's my fault that I don't understand your answer"

This time very much so since you IGNORED my request to rephrase.

Your irrelevant political statements also do NOTHING for your

statements.

I asked for you to rephrase the question and you IGNORED it.

Do not complain about an answer when you deliberately avoid the

request.

Can you rephrase the question?

Or are you simply going to add more irrelevant comments to screen your

real issue?

"So what exactly should be different..."

Or perhaps you are playing with words "should".

Whether something "should" be different is irrelevant since Vista is

here.

What is different is what each user needs to deal with and how depends

on their specific needs.

Have you used Windows Vista?

Have you used an earlier version of Windows?

Do you notice any difference?

If not, you have nothing to learn.

If you do, you may need to learn how those particular differences

affect what you need the computer to do.

Just like any other product purchased when replacing another.

--

Jupiter Jones [MVP]

"DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote in message

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> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in

> news:O7mv5826HHA.5184@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:

> No you didn't.

>

> The question was: So what exactly should be different between using

> an

> earlier version of Windows and Vista that would require learning

> 'how' to

> use Vista?

>

> Your answer was: If you have used Windows Vista you already know

> there

> are differences. Like any product, not just technology, the

> differences

> need to be learned if the maximum use is desired. Only the user can

> decide what that user needs to learn for their situation.

>

> The last time I heard an 'answer' like that it was from GeorgeW.

> Nonsense. Politico speak.

>

> Oh wait. I guess it's my fault that I don't understand your answer.

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August 31, 200717 yr

Absolutely not.

And whenever that very subject comes up privately or publically, the

same STRONG answer of NO comes up.

The MVPs do NOT want that.

--

Jupiter Jones [MVP]

"David A. Spicer" <vista_ultimate_fan@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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> It sure would be nice if Microsoft would allow the MVP's to moderate

> these newsgroups.

> --------------------

> Falling is harmless. The abrupt stop at the end is not.

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August 31, 200717 yr

i do, it gave me some problems but it learn to respect me ha ha

"David" <david@invalid.com> wrote in message

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>

>>

>> Fair enough :) Took me some time to get used to it, I admit, longer than

>> a month for sure.

>>

>> I know a lot of people who blanked it on the basis of screenshots, and

>> whatever side of the "debate" you fall on about the ribbon I'm sure you'd

>> agree that you can't evaluate it from still pictures.

>>

> I agree and I gave it more than a fair trial. It's the first version of

> Office that I have rejected for an earlier one, since Office was first

> produced.

>

> Dave

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August 31, 200717 yr

On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 09:53:17 -0600, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"

<jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote:

>"Oh wait. I guess it's my fault that I don't understand your answer"

>This time very much so since you IGNORED my request to rephrase.

>

>Your irrelevant political statements also do NOTHING for your

>statements.

What do you think you always getting down on your knees and kissing

Microsoft butt does for your creditability?

If you want to have a competition if you or Frank is the biggest

newsgroup clown, you're well on your way to getting people to vote for

you with these constant outbursts and your endless pontificating but

your going to make Frank insanely jealous. He loves being number one

idiot in this newsgroup. The question really is do you want that title

more than him?

Hint: It is an established FACT that Vista has many faults. Jerks that

blindly defend it come off looking awfully stupid. Of course if that's

what you want, go for it.

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August 31, 200717 yr

On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 09:55:37 -0600, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"

<jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote:

>Absolutely not.

>And whenever that very subject comes up privately or publically, the

>same STRONG answer of NO comes up.

>The MVPs do NOT want that.

For someone that keeps saying you don't want that, you have an odd

habit of trying to act like you are in charge. I guess once you're

seen as just some pompous ass, you got to play that role.

Curious, when did other MVPs vote and elect you their spokesperson?

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August 31, 200717 yr

but if i could change it i would but right now and so far my system running

good

"jonathan perreault" <jonperreault@verizon.net> wrote in message

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>i do, it gave me some problems but it learn to respect me ha ha

> "David" <david@invalid.com> wrote in message

> news:t_idnSJfKceep0rbnZ2dnUVZ_tXinZ2d@comcast.com...

>>

>>>

>>> Fair enough :) Took me some time to get used to it, I admit, longer than

>>> a month for sure.

>>>

>>> I know a lot of people who blanked it on the basis of screenshots, and

>>> whatever side of the "debate" you fall on about the ribbon I'm sure

>>> you'd agree that you can't evaluate it from still pictures.

>>>

>> I agree and I gave it more than a fair trial. It's the first version of

>> Office that I have rejected for an earlier one, since Office was first

>> produced.

>>

>> Dave

>

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August 31, 200717 yr

On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 08:41:14 -0500, DanS

<t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote:

>"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in

>news:O7mv5826HHA.5184@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:

>

>> "So you have no answer."

>> I answered and it seems you read my answer.

>> If that does not answer, rephrase your question.

>>

>

>No you didn't.

>

>The question was: So what exactly should be different between using an

>earlier version of Windows and Vista that would require learning 'how' to

>use Vista?

>

>Your answer was: If you have used Windows Vista you already know there

>are differences. Like any product, not just technology, the differences

>need to be learned if the maximum use is desired. Only the user can

>decide what that user needs to learn for their situation.

>

>The last time I heard an 'answer' like that it was from GeorgeW.

>Nonsense. Politico speak.

>

>Oh wait. I guess it's my fault that I don't understand your answer.

Differences that you should learn:

Click on an endless stream of UAC prompts

Wait forever for the new file manager to do tasks that XP does in a

fraction of the time.

Play with the new cool gadgets.......oops they aren't any

Play with the new cool Ultimate features......hmmmmmmm poker is

"ultimate"?

Buy more memory, Vista needs it.

If you have a home network prepare to pull your hair out.

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August 31, 200717 yr

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message

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> Absolutely not.

> And whenever that very subject comes up privately or publically, the same

> STRONG answer of NO comes up.

> The MVPs do NOT want that.

I don't want to try to speak for all MVPs, but I'll speak for myself and

agree with you completely. I certainly don't want it.

> "David A. Spicer" <vista_ultimate_fan@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> news:uLbOSH66HHA.4660@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> It sure would be nice if Microsoft would allow the MVP's to moderate

>> these newsgroups.

>> --------------------

>> Falling is harmless. The abrupt stop at the end is not.

>

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August 31, 200717 yr

Adam Albright wrote:

>

> What do you think you always getting down on your knees and kissing

> Microsoft butt does for your creditability?

You really got this thing for "butts" don't you? You're not hanging

around airport bathrooms again are you?

>

> If you want to have a competition if you or Frank is the biggest

> newsgroup clown, you're well on your way to getting people to vote for

> you with these constant outbursts and your endless pontificating but

> your going to make Frank insanely jealous. He loves being number one

> idiot in this newsgroup. The question really is do you want that title

> more than him?

>

> Hint: It is an established FACT that Vista has many faults. Jerks that

> blindly defend it come off looking awfully stupid. Of course if that's

> what you want, go for it.

hehehe...ever get that one lousy upgraded (only moron idiots like you do

still do in place upgrades) install of Vista business to work correctly?

Oh, I forgot mr genius blames everything on MS...hahaha...lol!

Frank

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August 31, 200717 yr

Adam Albright wrote:

> On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 09:55:37 -0600, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"

> <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote:

>

>>Absolutely not.

>>And whenever that very subject comes up privately or publically, the

>>same STRONG answer of NO comes up.

>>The MVPs do NOT want that.

>

Very funny words coming form the biggest pompous ass in this ng! Do you

find it difficult to spew your crap diatribes with both feet shoved down

your throat and your pointy head shoved up your arse?

BTW, how's china looking mr computer expert?

Frank

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August 31, 200717 yr

Ken

I probably should have worded this differently since I also do not

speak for all MVPs:

"The MVPs do NOT want that."

However past experience shows me at least the vast majority of MVPs do

not want it.

--

Jupiter Jones [MVP]

"Ken Blake" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message

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> I don't want to try to speak for all MVPs, but I'll speak for myself

> and agree with you completely. I certainly don't want it.

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August 31, 200717 yr

Adam Albright wrote:

> On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 09:55:37 -0600, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"

> <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote:

>

>> Absolutely not.

>> And whenever that very subject comes up privately or publically, the

>> same STRONG answer of NO comes up.

>> The MVPs do NOT want that.

>

> For someone that keeps saying you don't want that, you have an odd

> habit of trying to act like you are in charge. I guess once you're

> seen as just some pompous ass, you got to play that role.

>

> Curious, when did other MVPs vote and elect you their spokesperson?

>

<Who made you the senile old fool that won't leave the house and find

some thing else to do other than you continuous nonsense, trolling and

sitting on this NG like some kind of a crazed *clown/fool*.>

<The person is no more paying attention to what you're saying or posting

than the man in the Moon, which he is doing the correct thing to ignore

you in the hopes that you will stop *clown slobbering* at the mouth.>

<It goes to show just how sick you really are and that no one should pay

any attention to you. With your mindset and sickness of your mind, no

one should be taking you seriously about anything. You post like a

gabbing at the mouth old *woman* that can't shut the hack up.>

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August 31, 200717 yr

On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 11:10:37 -0600, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"

<jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote:

>Ken

>I probably should have worded this differently since I also do not

>speak for all MVPs:

>"The MVPs do NOT want that."

>However past experience shows me at least the vast majority of MVPs do

>not want it.

The less speaking MVPs like Jupiter do the better this newsgroup

becomes.

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August 31, 200717 yr

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in

news:e5qeXc#6HHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:

> "Oh wait. I guess it's my fault that I don't understand your answer"

> This time very much so since you IGNORED my request to rephrase.

>

> Your irrelevant political statements also do NOTHING for your

> statements.

Of course not, they described the content of your reply, and not meant to

add or describe any content of my post.

> I asked for you to rephrase the question and you IGNORED it.

> Do not complain about an answer when you deliberately avoid the

> request.

Did I deliberately ignored your request, or did YOU (accented and spoken

stretched) deliberately not answer MY question.

> Can you rephrase the question?

> Or are you simply going to add more irrelevant comments to screen your

> real issue?

What is there to re-phrase ?

OK. (Slowly this time, with more specific detail.)

1. People come here having problems with Vista.

2. They post a question.

3. Many times they are told they need to 'learn how to use' Vista.

So in the case of turning on the PC, how is Vista different than older

version of Windows ? Not, you push the button.

How is logging in different ? Not.

How is starting program different ? Not. You dbl click an icon on the

desktop usually.

How is installing programs different ? OK, this one is, as you usually

need to run at an elevated priviledge.

I know locations of standard windows things are changed, but that is a

far cry from 'learning to use Vista properly'.

What I've been trying to say I guess, is that I know it's a new OS, and

some things have changed, but the phrase:

'learn how to use Vista properly'

is just stupid, for anyone that's already familiar with previous MS OS's.

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