In article <fbe7o3$hbp$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

> Leythos wrote:

> > In article <fbd8v0$3ht$1@aioe.org>, nonee@none.not says...

> >> Leythos wrote:

> >>> In article <fb8noc$rbd$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

> >>>> Leythos wrote:

> >>>>> In article <eXKO5u16HHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, a@b.com says...

> >>>>>> And yes, I have used Ubuntu, quite a lot actually. I find it most amusing

> >>>>>> that the default installation is that it erases Windows and installs itself

> >>>>>> over.

> >>>>> What's more amusing is that Alias keeps preaching Ubuntu as the solution

> >>>>> for the masses, but he keeps running XP for the same reason that other

> >>>>> people use Windows.

> >>>> I only use Windows for gaming and that's only because the people who

> >>>> make games don't make them for Ubuntu.

> >>>>

> >>>>> If he really believe in his preachings to the masses he would have got

> >>>>> rid of all MS products and lived his message instead of being such a

> >>>>> hypocrite.

> >>>> With the exception of gaming, I *am* living my message and I'm not being

> >>>> hypocritical at all.

> >>> No, you're telling lies, you keep preaching how Ubuntu is what people

> >>> need and that it's better than Windows, but you keep using Windows....

> >>>

> >>> You're exposed and a liar - If you're going to keep Windows, supporting

> >>> Microsoft, for any reason, then you don't need Ubuntu - Windows does all

> >>> that Ubuntu does, so there is no reason to have Ubuntu - there is no

> >>> reason to complicate things with having TWO O/S's two sets of

> >>> applications...

> >> Windows does not do all Ubuntu does, not in some cases. For example, I

> >> was able to purchase a $300 Dell server with No OS, load linux, and run

> >> apache off of it, sendmail, samba, and all of my other server type

> >> applications while spending only the money for the hardware as opposed

> >> to spending all of the other money that it would cost to do it on

> >> windows software.

> >

> > Ubuntu doesn't do all of that either, it's ADDED to the distro, same for

> > Windows, I can add all of that to my Windows machine for free also.

> >

> > Why have Ubuntu if you're going to have Windows for other things -

> > that's the point.

> >

> > Alias claimed that Ubuntu was the solution, but he still has Windows to

> > do things that Ubuntu won't do. Sounds like he's not living the truth he

> > preaches.

> >

>

> Only one thing: gaming and that is the fault of the game makers, not

> Ubuntu. Your reaching for straws (again).

 

No, that's the fault of your zealotry - You've posted that many games

are available for Linux, even kids games, the problem is that you keep

running Windows while preaching that Ubuntu is a great replacement for

it - but you keep running windows...

 

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Leythos wrote:

> In article <fbe7o3$hbp$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>> Leythos wrote:

>>> In article <fbd8v0$3ht$1@aioe.org>, nonee@none.not says...

>>>> Leythos wrote:

>>>>> In article <fb8noc$rbd$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>>>>>> Leythos wrote:

>>>>>>> In article <eXKO5u16HHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, a@b.com says...

>>>>>>>> And yes, I have used Ubuntu, quite a lot actually. I find it most amusing

>>>>>>>> that the default installation is that it erases Windows and installs itself

>>>>>>>> over.

>>>>>>> What's more amusing is that Alias keeps preaching Ubuntu as the solution

>>>>>>> for the masses, but he keeps running XP for the same reason that other

>>>>>>> people use Windows.

>>>>>> I only use Windows for gaming and that's only because the people who

>>>>>> make games don't make them for Ubuntu.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> If he really believe in his preachings to the masses he would have got

>>>>>>> rid of all MS products and lived his message instead of being such a

>>>>>>> hypocrite.

>>>>>> With the exception of gaming, I *am* living my message and I'm not being

>>>>>> hypocritical at all.

>>>>> No, you're telling lies, you keep preaching how Ubuntu is what people

>>>>> need and that it's better than Windows, but you keep using Windows....

>>>>>

>>>>> You're exposed and a liar - If you're going to keep Windows, supporting

>>>>> Microsoft, for any reason, then you don't need Ubuntu - Windows does all

>>>>> that Ubuntu does, so there is no reason to have Ubuntu - there is no

>>>>> reason to complicate things with having TWO O/S's two sets of

>>>>> applications...

>>>> Windows does not do all Ubuntu does, not in some cases. For example, I

>>>> was able to purchase a $300 Dell server with No OS, load linux, and run

>>>> apache off of it, sendmail, samba, and all of my other server type

>>>> applications while spending only the money for the hardware as opposed

>>>> to spending all of the other money that it would cost to do it on

>>>> windows software.

>>> Ubuntu doesn't do all of that either, it's ADDED to the distro, same for

>>> Windows, I can add all of that to my Windows machine for free also.

>>>

>>> Why have Ubuntu if you're going to have Windows for other things -

>>> that's the point.

>>>

>>> Alias claimed that Ubuntu was the solution, but he still has Windows to

>>> do things that Ubuntu won't do. Sounds like he's not living the truth he

>>> preaches.

>>>

>> Only one thing: gaming and that is the fault of the game makers, not

>> Ubuntu. Your reaching for straws (again).

>

> No, that's the fault of your zealotry - You've posted that many games

> are available for Linux, even kids games, the problem is that you keep

> running Windows while preaching that Ubuntu is a great replacement for

> it - but you keep running windows...

>

 

Sigh. Some games are made only for Windows and some games are made only

for Ubuntu. If you want to play the games that are only made for

Windows, you have to run Windows.

 

EXCEPT FOR SOME GAMES, Ubuntu can meet the needs of most people.

Nowadays, MOST PEOPLE play games on a console so Windows is needed much

less nowadays than before. Personally, I hate consoles so I have a

Windows box to play games MADE ONLY FOR WINDOWS.

 

Game, set, match, you lose. Admit it like a man or do what you usually

do, try to lamely get around it.

 

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Leythos wrote:

> In article <fbe7vd$i20$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>> Leythos wrote:

>>> In article <fbd97k$4eh$1@aioe.org>, nonee@none.not says...

>>>> Leythos wrote:

>>>>> In article <uCxHim86HHA.5984@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>, charlie@tames.net

>>>>> says...

>>>>>> Why do you always react with accusations of "Hate" like some mardy child

>>>>>> who just had his ball stolen. Pathetic and childish, both. You have no

>>>>>> logical argument, only accusations that at least in my case are nothing

>>>>>> more than lies.

>>>>> Keep trying - you're the one suggesting that MS makes you feel like a

>>>>> thief and pirate.... All you're doing is spreading hate that you feel.

>>>>>

>>>> He's not by far the only one who feels this 'hate' from MS.

>>> Dude, it's he that has the Hate, not MS.

>>>

>> Assuming all your paying customers to be running pirated copies of

>> Windows until they prove otherwise only shows the disdain that MS holds

>> for their paying customers. The hate is squarely on MS' shoulders.

>

> No, the hate is on your shoulders and those of the zealots of you that

> don't believe in a company protecting ITS PRODUCT.

 

I guess you failed logic in school.

>

> Fact is that not one single customer, not one single person I know, not

> even myself, feel that being asked to validate is an issue, not a

> problem, nothing, it's a fact of piracy protection and it works.

 

It's a fact that you are brainwashed to accept it, along with all of

your friends and associates. Most people voted for Bush but that didn't

make him a good president.

>

>> I have said this before and I will say it again: MS made BILLIONS with

>> DRM free Windows. Most people are honest and will buy Windows, otherwise

>> MS wouldn't have made BILLIONS with pre-XP Windows.

>

> And that doesn't change a thing - Windows is still a great product, runs

> more anything than Ubuntu, and you even continue to use it and you even

> have Vista now - why means that you are exposed as a Hypocrite and liar.

>

 

Sigh, Didn't they teach you in debate class that ad hominem attacks and

trotting out straw men arguments are really amateur tactics?

 

Fact: WPA and WGA does NOT stop piracy one iota and ONLY serves to

inconvenience paying customers. The fact that you accept it only reveals

what a sheep you really are.

 

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In article <fbehrt$d0o$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

> Leythos wrote:

> > In article <fbe7vd$i20$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

> >> Leythos wrote:

> >>> In article <fbd97k$4eh$1@aioe.org>, nonee@none.not says...

> >>>> Leythos wrote:

> >>>>> In article <uCxHim86HHA.5984@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>, charlie@tames.net

> >>>>> says...

> >>>>>> Why do you always react with accusations of "Hate" like some mardy child

> >>>>>> who just had his ball stolen. Pathetic and childish, both. You have no

> >>>>>> logical argument, only accusations that at least in my case are nothing

> >>>>>> more than lies.

> >>>>> Keep trying - you're the one suggesting that MS makes you feel like a

> >>>>> thief and pirate.... All you're doing is spreading hate that you feel.

> >>>>>

> >>>> He's not by far the only one who feels this 'hate' from MS.

> >>> Dude, it's he that has the Hate, not MS.

> >>>

> >> Assuming all your paying customers to be running pirated copies of

> >> Windows until they prove otherwise only shows the disdain that MS holds

> >> for their paying customers. The hate is squarely on MS' shoulders.

> >

> > No, the hate is on your shoulders and those of the zealots of you that

> > don't believe in a company protecting ITS PRODUCT.

>

> I guess you failed logic in school.

 

No, you guys are the ones spreading FUD and Hate.

> > Fact is that not one single customer, not one single person I know, not

> > even myself, feel that being asked to validate is an issue, not a

> > problem, nothing, it's a fact of piracy protection and it works.

>

> It's a fact that you are brainwashed to accept it, along with all of

> your friends and associates. Most people voted for Bush but that didn't

> make him a good president.

 

Maybe I just don't have a problem purchasing something that has known

activation, known to be protected, etc... Maybe if I was really

concerned I would not use their product, but there is nothing better on

the market at this time... Even you prove there is nothing better for

home users by your failing to be able to stop using Windows.

> >> I have said this before and I will say it again: MS made BILLIONS with

> >> DRM free Windows. Most people are honest and will buy Windows, otherwise

> >> MS wouldn't have made BILLIONS with pre-XP Windows.

> >

> > And that doesn't change a thing - Windows is still a great product, runs

> > more anything than Ubuntu, and you even continue to use it and you even

> > have Vista now - why means that you are exposed as a Hypocrite and liar.

> >

>

> Sigh, Didn't they teach you in debate class that ad hominem attacks and

> trotting out straw men arguments are really amateur tactics?

 

Amature - you mean that your constant mantra of Ubuntu is the savior for

most people is the truth while you still use XP and Vista? You mean that

you can't handle the truth when it exposes you for the fraud you really

are?

> Fact: WPA and WGA does NOT stop piracy one iota and ONLY serves to

> inconvenience paying customers. The fact that you accept it only reveals

> what a sheep you really are.

 

Fact, not only does it help stop piracy, it also exposes piracy - the

case posted in Usenet by a nice lady showed that a disreputable company

installing XP Prof on customers computers was held liable in court and

she got her money back - MS and the Piracy group was contacted and the

business was stopped.

 

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In article <fbehkn$cc0$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

> EXCEPT FOR SOME GAMES, Ubuntu can meet the needs of most people.

> Nowadays, MOST PEOPLE play games on a console so Windows is needed much

> less nowadays than before. Personally, I hate consoles so I have a

> Windows box to play games MADE ONLY FOR WINDOWS.

 

And except for nothing, Windows meets the needs of MOST PEOPLE NOWADAYS.

And the nice thing about Windows is that it doesn't require that you

have a hobby OS in order to pretend you don't need other things.

 

Face it, if Ubuntu was able to do the things that MOST people need, you

would not be running Windows - as most families have kids that play

GAMES, your logic fails you and proves that you are wrong.

 

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Leythos wrote:

> In article <fbehkn$cc0$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>> EXCEPT FOR SOME GAMES, Ubuntu can meet the needs of most people.

>> Nowadays, MOST PEOPLE play games on a console so Windows is needed much

>> less nowadays than before. Personally, I hate consoles so I have a

>> Windows box to play games MADE ONLY FOR WINDOWS.

>

> And except for nothing, Windows meets the needs of MOST PEOPLE NOWADAYS.

> And the nice thing about Windows is that it doesn't require that you

> have a hobby OS in order to pretend you don't need other things.

>

> Face it, if Ubuntu was able to do the things that MOST people need, you

> would not be running Windows - as most families have kids that play

> GAMES, your logic fails you and proves that you are wrong.

>

 

Another thing that Windows does much better than Ubuntu is acquiring

viruses and other malware. Those kids are now playing games with a

PS2/3, Wii or XBox. Where have you been?

 

Just curious, why do you object to my using both systems, other than

your obsession with trying to oneupmanship me? I may buy a Mac just to

see how it is. Would that bother you too?

 

I have never advised someone to switch to Ubuntu to play games. I have

advised it for safer surfing, no need for ninja hardware, etc,, but not

for gaming.

 

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Leythos wrote:

> In article <fbehkn$cc0$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>> EXCEPT FOR SOME GAMES, Ubuntu can meet the needs of most people.

>> Nowadays, MOST PEOPLE play games on a console so Windows is needed much

>> less nowadays than before. Personally, I hate consoles so I have a

>> Windows box to play games MADE ONLY FOR WINDOWS.

>

> And except for nothing, Windows meets the needs of MOST PEOPLE NOWADAYS.

> And the nice thing about Windows is that it doesn't require that you

> have a hobby OS in order to pretend you don't need other things.

 

It is much better at acquiring viruses and malware.

> Face it, if Ubuntu was able to do the things that MOST people need, you

> would not be running Windows - as most families have kids that play

> GAMES, your logic fails you and proves that you are wrong.

>

 

Most kids use PS2/3, Xbox or Wii for gaming. Where have you been, under

a rock?

 

I have never advised anyone to switch to Ubuntu for gaming. I have

advised it if they are tired of the "anti piracy" crap, being prone to

viruses and malware, the ease of install, etc. and that it will do MOST

things that MOST people need.

 

Just curious, why do you object to my running more than one OS? I may

buy a Mac. Will that bother you too?

 

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Leythos wrote:

> In article <fbehrt$d0o$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>> Leythos wrote:

>>> In article <fbe7vd$i20$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>>>> Leythos wrote:

>>>>> In article <fbd97k$4eh$1@aioe.org>, nonee@none.not says...

>>>>>> Leythos wrote:

>>>>>>> In article <uCxHim86HHA.5984@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>, charlie@tames.net

>>>>>>> says...

>>>>>>>> Why do you always react with accusations of "Hate" like some mardy child

>>>>>>>> who just had his ball stolen. Pathetic and childish, both. You have no

>>>>>>>> logical argument, only accusations that at least in my case are nothing

>>>>>>>> more than lies.

>>>>>>> Keep trying - you're the one suggesting that MS makes you feel like a

>>>>>>> thief and pirate.... All you're doing is spreading hate that you feel.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>> He's not by far the only one who feels this 'hate' from MS.

>>>>> Dude, it's he that has the Hate, not MS.

>>>>>

>>>> Assuming all your paying customers to be running pirated copies of

>>>> Windows until they prove otherwise only shows the disdain that MS holds

>>>> for their paying customers. The hate is squarely on MS' shoulders.

>>> No, the hate is on your shoulders and those of the zealots of you that

>>> don't believe in a company protecting ITS PRODUCT.

>> I guess you failed logic in school.

>

> No, you guys are the ones spreading FUD and Hate.

>

>>> Fact is that not one single customer, not one single person I know, not

>>> even myself, feel that being asked to validate is an issue, not a

>>> problem, nothing, it's a fact of piracy protection and it works.

>> It's a fact that you are brainwashed to accept it, along with all of

>> your friends and associates. Most people voted for Bush but that didn't

>> make him a good president.

>

> Maybe I just don't have a problem purchasing something that has known

> activation, known to be protected, etc... Maybe if I was really

> concerned I would not use their product, but there is nothing better on

> the market at this time... Even you prove there is nothing better for

> home users by your failing to be able to stop using Windows.

>

>>>> I have said this before and I will say it again: MS made BILLIONS with

>>>> DRM free Windows. Most people are honest and will buy Windows, otherwise

>>>> MS wouldn't have made BILLIONS with pre-XP Windows.

>>> And that doesn't change a thing - Windows is still a great product, runs

>>> more anything than Ubuntu, and you even continue to use it and you even

>>> have Vista now - why means that you are exposed as a Hypocrite and liar.

>>>

>> Sigh, Didn't they teach you in debate class that ad hominem attacks and

>> trotting out straw men arguments are really amateur tactics?

>

> Amature [sic] - you mean that your constant mantra of Ubuntu is the savior for

> most people is the truth while you still use XP and Vista? You mean that

> you can't handle the truth when it exposes you for the fraud you really

> are?

 

Using more than one OS does not a make me either a fraud or a hypocrite.

I have never referred to Ubuntu as any kind of savior. I don't use

Vista. I bought it out of curiosity only.

>

>> Fact: WPA and WGA does NOT stop piracy one iota and ONLY serves to

>> inconvenience paying customers. The fact that you accept it only reveals

>> what a sheep you really are.

>

> Fact, not only does it help stop piracy, it also exposes piracy - the

> case posted in Usenet by a nice lady showed that a disreputable company

> installing XP Prof on customers computers was held liable in court and

> she got her money back - MS and the Piracy group was contacted and the

> business was stopped.

>

 

That was a customer who didn't want a pirated copy and got fooled by a

stupid company. BFD. Most people who use pirated copies know they are

pirated copies and have been using them and getting security updates for

YEARS.

 

Fact is, without these "protections", MS made billions. Fact is most

people buy their computers with Windows preinstalled. So who is this

targeting? The real pirates? No. People who knowingly use pirated copies

of Windows? No. If you were to post your inanities on a non-MS Spanish

newsgroup, you would be laughed right off the group as an imbecile.

 

So, once again, it's a indisputable fact that WPA and WGA do NOTHING to

stop piracy and ONLY inconvenience paying customers. Live with it. Oh, I

forgot, you LIKE living with it :-)

 

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dennis@home wrote:

>

> "The poster formerly known as the poster formerly known as Nina DiBoy"

> <nonee@none.not> wrote in message news:fbd8v0$3ht$1@aioe.org...

>

>> Windows does not do all Ubuntu does, not in some cases. For example,

>> I was able to purchase a $300 Dell server with No OS, load linux, and

>> run apache off of it, sendmail, samba, and all of my other server type

>> applications while spending only the money for the hardware as opposed

>> to spending all of the other money that it would cost to do it on

>> windows software.

>

> What is all this "other money it would cost to do it on windows"?

> The same free applications run on windows to do your mail (not sendmail,

> I hope <spits>), etc. as those that are on linux so there is no extra

> cost if you have a windows system.

>

>

 

It just costs alot more to purchase a windows server OS, and with

windows, you are also more prone to security issues.

 

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Leythos wrote:

> In article <fbd8v0$3ht$1@aioe.org>, nonee@none.not says...

>> Leythos wrote:

>>> In article <fb8noc$rbd$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>>>> Leythos wrote:

>>>>> In article <eXKO5u16HHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, a@b.com says...

>>>>>> And yes, I have used Ubuntu, quite a lot actually. I find it most amusing

>>>>>> that the default installation is that it erases Windows and installs itself

>>>>>> over.

>>>>> What's more amusing is that Alias keeps preaching Ubuntu as the solution

>>>>> for the masses, but he keeps running XP for the same reason that other

>>>>> people use Windows.

>>>> I only use Windows for gaming and that's only because the people who

>>>> make games don't make them for Ubuntu.

>>>>

>>>>> If he really believe in his preachings to the masses he would have got

>>>>> rid of all MS products and lived his message instead of being such a

>>>>> hypocrite.

>>>> With the exception of gaming, I *am* living my message and I'm not being

>>>> hypocritical at all.

>>> No, you're telling lies, you keep preaching how Ubuntu is what people

>>> need and that it's better than Windows, but you keep using Windows....

>>>

>>> You're exposed and a liar - If you're going to keep Windows, supporting

>>> Microsoft, for any reason, then you don't need Ubuntu - Windows does all

>>> that Ubuntu does, so there is no reason to have Ubuntu - there is no

>>> reason to complicate things with having TWO O/S's two sets of

>>> applications...

>> Windows does not do all Ubuntu does, not in some cases. For example, I

>> was able to purchase a $300 Dell server with No OS, load linux, and run

>> apache off of it, sendmail, samba, and all of my other server type

>> applications while spending only the money for the hardware as opposed

>> to spending all of the other money that it would cost to do it on

>> windows software.

>

> Ubuntu doesn't do all of that either, it's ADDED to the distro, same for

> Windows, I can add all of that to my Windows machine for free also.

>

> Why have Ubuntu if you're going to have Windows for other things -

> that's the point.

>

> Alias claimed that Ubuntu was the solution, but he still has Windows to

> do things that Ubuntu won't do. Sounds like he's not living the truth he

> preaches.

>

 

I'm just saying that you can do it for alot less with linux because you

don't need to shell out lots of $ for the OS.

 

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Leythos wrote:

> In article <fbd97k$4eh$1@aioe.org>, nonee@none.not says...

>> Leythos wrote:

>>> In article <uCxHim86HHA.5984@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>, charlie@tames.net

>>> says...

>>>> Why do you always react with accusations of "Hate" like some mardy child

>>>> who just had his ball stolen. Pathetic and childish, both. You have no

>>>> logical argument, only accusations that at least in my case are nothing

>>>> more than lies.

>>> Keep trying - you're the one suggesting that MS makes you feel like a

>>> thief and pirate.... All you're doing is spreading hate that you feel.

>>>

>> He's not by far the only one who feels this 'hate' from MS.

>

> Dude, it's he that has the Hate, not MS.

>

 

I'm not a 'dude'. And I still disagree with you because of all of the

"you as a paying customer are guilty until proven innocent (IF our buggy

DRM doesn't screw up) until our checks indicate otherwise" treatment

from MS.

 

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Alias wrote:

> Leythos wrote:

>> In article <fbehkn$cc0$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>>> EXCEPT FOR SOME GAMES, Ubuntu can meet the needs of most people.

>>> Nowadays, MOST PEOPLE play games on a console so Windows is needed

>>> much less nowadays than before. Personally, I hate consoles so I have

>>> a Windows box to play games MADE ONLY FOR WINDOWS.

>>

>> And except for nothing, Windows meets the needs of MOST PEOPLE

>> NOWADAYS. And the nice thing about Windows is that it doesn't require

>> that you have a hobby OS in order to pretend you don't need other things.

>

> It is much better at acquiring viruses and malware.

>

>> Face it, if Ubuntu was able to do the things that MOST people need,

>> you would not be running Windows - as most families have kids that

>> play GAMES, your logic fails you and proves that you are wrong.

>>

>

> Most kids use PS2/3, Xbox or Wii for gaming. Where have you been, under

> a rock?

>

> I have never advised anyone to switch to Ubuntu for gaming. I have

> advised it if they are tired of the "anti piracy" crap, being prone to

> viruses and malware, the ease of install, etc. and that it will do MOST

> things that MOST people need.

>

> Just curious, why do you object to my running more than one OS? I may

> buy a Mac. Will that bother you too?

>

 

<Alias, why don't you just shut the he** up. You've been made to be a

*fool* and a *hypocrite*. Your mo is the mo of a *fool* and a

*hypocrite*. I am sure I am not the only one that is seeing this.>

Adam The Thread Destroyer Albright > wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>> Leythos wrote:

>>> In article <fbehkn$cc0$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>>>> EXCEPT FOR SOME GAMES, Ubuntu can meet the needs of most people.

>>>> Nowadays, MOST PEOPLE play games on a console so Windows is needed

>>>> much less nowadays than before. Personally, I hate consoles so I

>>>> have a Windows box to play games MADE ONLY FOR WINDOWS.

>>>

>>> And except for nothing, Windows meets the needs of MOST PEOPLE

>>> NOWADAYS. And the nice thing about Windows is that it doesn't require

>>> that you have a hobby OS in order to pretend you don't need other

>>> things.

>>

>> It is much better at acquiring viruses and malware.

>>

>>> Face it, if Ubuntu was able to do the things that MOST people need,

>>> you would not be running Windows - as most families have kids that

>>> play GAMES, your logic fails you and proves that you are wrong.

>>>

>>

>> Most kids use PS2/3, Xbox or Wii for gaming. Where have you been,

>> under a rock?

>>

>> I have never advised anyone to switch to Ubuntu for gaming. I have

>> advised it if they are tired of the "anti piracy" crap, being prone to

>> viruses and malware, the ease of install, etc. and that it will do

>> MOST things that MOST people need.

>>

>> Just curious, why do you object to my running more than one OS? I may

>> buy a Mac. Will that bother you too?

>>

>

> <Alias, why don't you just shut the he** up. You've been made to be a

> *fool* and a *hypocrite*. Your mo is the mo of a *fool* and a

> *hypocrite*. I am sure I am not the only one that is seeing this.>

 

Can you address the issues or merely try to shoot the messenger and miss

every single time?

 

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Stephan Rose wrote:

> On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 15:58:11 -0700, Frank wrote:

>

>

>>Stephan Rose wrote:

>>

>>

>>>>>Both WPA and WGA assume you are guilty of piracy until you prove otherwise.

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>Really, where does it say that?

>>>

>>>

>>>Actually frank, they do.

>>

>>Where is it written in the EULA or any other place that you are

>>considered to be illegally using Windows and that you're a thief until

>>you prove otherwise?

>>Now where does it say that.

>>Period!

>

>

> EULA has nothing to do with it.

 

If you read my question..."Really, where does it say that?"...I still

want to know where it says that as you've said it does say that...then

where is it written?

>

>

>> They have to, else they'd be rather ineffective

>>

>>>anti piracy measures.

>>>

>>>I mean think about it. How good would an anti piracy measure be that

>>>assumes that the software is legal?

>>

>>Nah...that's not even good garage logic. The assumption is it's legal

>>until proved illegal.

>>Activation verifies legality or illegality.

>>You and alias may think or feel otherwise but factually, you're both wrong.

>

>

> If it was legal until proven illegal than you would not need to

> activate. The *need* to activate means that it assumes the system is

> illegal.

 

Nah...not even close...only you and a few others assume that...most don't.

 

 

Of course they don't write "You are a thief" or anything

> equivalent on the screen. I never said that. Alias might say that, I don't

> nor ever have.

 

Good, cause it's not at all true.

>

> That still doesn't change the fact that internally, the anti-piracy

> measures *have* to assume the system is not legal.

 

Sorry, but that's just not true. That's only you're opinion.

 

THEREFORE the

> activation which checks *if* the system is legal and if so *activates* it.

 

Doesn't mean it assumes it illegal!

> But until it has been told that it is legal and is allowed to activate it,

> it assumes the system is not legal and after the timeout expires denies

> access to the system.

 

Nope!

 

Or are you now going to tell me that one can use

> Vista for as long as they want without activating it?

 

Get serious!

 

Proving that your

> copy is legal is EVERYTHING that Activation is all about for crying out

> loud.

 

Still doesn't mean it assumes that it's illegal until activated.

>

> How they display said information to the customer is frigging irrelevant.

>

> Man, how difficult can that be to understand?

 

You tell me as it's you who is not understanding it.

>

> And btw Frank, I've quite honestly forgotten more about anti-piracy

> measures than you will likely ever know. Remember what I do for a living,

> which is writing Software. I've implemented plenty of anti piracy measures

> for other software which work very similar to how Vista's WGA works.

 

I sure you're a brilliant software writer and have made a fortune doing

it. But you still have the wrong assumption about activation.

Frank

>

Frank wrote:

> Stephan Rose wrote:

>

>> On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 15:58:11 -0700, Frank wrote:

>>

>>

>>> Stephan Rose wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>>>>> Both WPA and WGA assume you are guilty of piracy until you prove

>>>>>> otherwise.

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Really, where does it say that?

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Actually frank, they do.

>>>

>>> Where is it written in the EULA or any other place that you are

>>> considered to be illegally using Windows and that you're a thief

>>> until you prove otherwise?

>>> Now where does it say that.

>>> Period!

>>

>>

>> EULA has nothing to do with it.

>

> If you read my question..."Really, where does it say that?"...I still

> want to know where it says that as you've said it does say that...then

> where is it written?

>>

>>

>>> They have to, else they'd be rather ineffective

>>>

>>>> anti piracy measures.

>>>>

>>>> I mean think about it. How good would an anti piracy measure be that

>>>> assumes that the software is legal?

>>>

>>> Nah...that's not even good garage logic. The assumption is it's legal

>>> until proved illegal.

>>> Activation verifies legality or illegality.

>>> You and alias may think or feel otherwise but factually, you're both

>>> wrong.

>>

>>

>> If it was legal until proven illegal than you would not need to

>> activate. The *need* to activate means that it assumes the system is

>> illegal.

>

> Nah...not even close...only you and a few others assume that...most don't.

>

>

> Of course they don't write "You are a thief" or anything

>> equivalent on the screen. I never said that. Alias might say that, I

>> don't

>> nor ever have.

>

> Good, cause it's not at all true.

>>

>> That still doesn't change the fact that internally, the anti-piracy

>> measures *have* to assume the system is not legal.

>

> Sorry, but that's just not true. That's only you're opinion.

>

> THEREFORE the

>> activation which checks *if* the system is legal and if so *activates*

>> it.

>

> Doesn't mean it assumes it illegal!

>

>> But until it has been told that it is legal and is allowed to activate

>> it,

>> it assumes the system is not legal and after the timeout expires denies

>> access to the system.

>

> Nope!

>

> Or are you now going to tell me that one can use

>> Vista for as long as they want without activating it?

>

> Get serious!

>

> Proving that your

>> copy is legal is EVERYTHING that Activation is all about for crying out

>> loud.

>

> Still doesn't mean it assumes that it's illegal until activated.

>>

>> How they display said information to the customer is frigging irrelevant.

>>

>> Man, how difficult can that be to understand?

>

> You tell me as it's you who is not understanding it.

>>

>> And btw Frank, I've quite honestly forgotten more about anti-piracy

>> measures than you will likely ever know. Remember what I do for a living,

>> which is writing Software. I've implemented plenty of anti piracy

>> measures

>> for other software which work very similar to how Vista's WGA works.

>

> I sure you're a brilliant software writer and have made a fortune doing

> it. But you still have the wrong assumption about activation.

> Frank

>

>>

 

Unbelievable how brainwashed Frank is and with no sense of logic at all.

The only replies you gave, Frank, were "not so!". LOL!

 

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Adam Albright wrote:

> On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 15:58:11 -0700, Frank <fb@nospan.crm> wrote:

>

>

>>Stephan Rose wrote:

>>

>>

>>>>>Both WPA and WGA assume you are guilty of piracy until you prove otherwise.

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>Really, where does it say that?

>>>

>>>

>>>Actually frank, they do.

>>

>>Where is it written in the EULA or any other place that you are

>>considered to be illegally using Windows and that you're a thief until

>>you prove otherwise?

>>Now where does it say that.

>>Period!

>

>

> Only Frank is stupid enough to not understand the impact of Microsoft

> foolishly marking legitimate copies of Vista as counterfeit resulting

> in pissing off at least thousands of customers. Human error, just

> stupidity, doesn't matter. Watershed event that gave Microsoft a black

> eye.

>

>> They have to, else they'd be rather ineffective

>>

>>>anti piracy measures.

>>>

>>>I mean think about it. How good would an anti piracy measure be that

>>>assumes that the software is legal?

>>

>>Nah...that's not even good garage logic. The assumption is it's legal

>>until proved illegal.

>

>

> You're just a world class idiot Frank. If Microsoft assumes the

> install was "legal" please tell why they marked ***** copies as

> counterfeit last weekend. Of course I don't expect any rational answer

> from a babbling baboon like you Frank. It's beyond you.

>

>

>>Activation verifies legality or illegality.

>

>

> Unless some stupid Microsoft computer marks it illegal when it is

> legal.

>

>

>>You and alias may think or feel otherwise but factually, you're both wrong.

>>Sorry!

>

>

> You're nothing but a fu*king idiot Frank. You'll never be anything

> else. I pity you.

>

hehehe...if you had half the brains and intelligence you think or want

to have you'd still be a half brained moron.

Did you even bother to read you own ignorant response to me? You who

told us all that you were a paid lying accountant of some blood sucking

attorneys...I guess you didn't retire but in reality you got fired for

your incompetence.

Find the part where you contradicted yourself and blew your own logic

out of the water.

I strongly suggest you pity only your own stupid idiotic self.

Frank

Alias wrote:

> Frank wrote:

>

>> Alias wrote:

>>

>>> Frank wrote:

>>>

>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> The fact that you're guilty until you prove otherwise over and over

>>>>> again makes you feel like what?

>>>>>

>>>> You know, I still get the idea that maybe you've got wants &

>>>> warrants out for your sorry ass in the good'o US of A. You can't use

>>>> your real name (or maybe you're ashamed of it?) and you feel like a

>>>> thief all the time according to your postings.

>>>> What is that all about? Are you a thief? I've never heard anyone

>>>> else except you say you feel like a thief concerning Windows.

>>>> I'm sure it's proly just a Freudian slip of sorts right?

>>>> You're not a thief right?

>>>> Just curious.

>>>> Frank

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Um, you're the one who continually brings up warrants and being

>>> wanted by the law. I'm sure it's proly just a Freudian slip of sorts

>>> right?

>>>

>>

>> Afraid to answer the question? I live in America. I promise not to

>> turn you in, ok?

>> Frank

>

>

> So, you're wanted in some other country and are hiding in LA LA Land. I

> have explained how it is impossible for me to be wanted but you,

> conveniently, ignored those posts. Besides, if I were wanted by the USA

> legal authorities, do you think I would be posting on Usenet?

>

 

hahaha...I seriously doubt very much that the USA authorities are

looking for anyone named "alias"...lol!

Oh, btw, "La La Land" is an LA (Los Angeles) reference.

Frank

Alias wrote:

> Assuming all your paying customers to be running pirated copies of

> Windows until they prove otherwise only shows the disdain that MS holds

> for their paying customers.

 

That's funny...seeing as how I can count on one hand those who feel that

way and still have fingers left over. Why is that? I've noticed that

you're always in the very small minority with your opinions.

 

The hate is squarely on MS' shoulders.

 

You're the one expressing hate, not MS.

Live with it!

>

> I have said this before and I will say it again: MS made BILLIONS with

> DRM free Windows. Most people are honest and will buy Windows, otherwise

> MS wouldn't have made BILLIONS with pre-XP Windows.

>

You actually believe MS invented DRM don't you?

Ridiculous!

Frank

On Sun, 2 Sep 2007 10:27:09 -0400, Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote:

 

>> Assuming all your paying customers to be running pirated copies of

>> Windows until they prove otherwise only shows the disdain that MS holds

>> for their paying customers. The hate is squarely on MS' shoulders.

>

>No, the hate is on your shoulders and those of the zealots of you that

>don't believe in a company protecting ITS PRODUCT.

 

You clueless putz, then explain why it is alright with Bill Gates that

not only looks the other way, he openly encourages the Chinese to

outright steal Windows in the hope at some time in the future they may

buy it. Ditto for Eastern Europe countries.

 

I don't have the exact figure handy, but if I recall correctly there

was a recent article in one of the trade magazines is something like

all of 200 copies of Vista are registered to Chinese mainland

owners... with who knows how many millions of pirated copies in use.

That sure doesn't sound like Microsoft is "protecting" it's product.

 

What Microsoft is really doing is trying to squeeze Joe Six Pack in

America to make up the difference for loss sales in poorer countries.

I guess you're one of the dopes that doesn't mind having his pocket

picketed by Microsoft while they give a wink and nod to someone doing

it on a grand scale offshore.

 

I really enjoy exposing loud mouth blowhards like you that never know

what the hell their blubbering about. I really, really do!

>

>Fact is that not one single customer, not one single person I know, not

>even myself, feel that being asked to validate is an issue, not a

>problem, nothing, it's a fact of piracy protection and it works.

 

You're full of crap as I just illustrated. The issue which you

conveniently ignore is last weekend's disaster when valid and fully

licensed and activated copies of Vista were marked as counterfeit by

Microsoft. There simply is no excuse for such reckless conduct.

Especially by the world's biggest software company. If they can't even

program a server right, what does that really say about how well they

wrote Vista?

>

>> I have said this before and I will say it again: MS made BILLIONS with

>> DRM free Windows. Most people are honest and will buy Windows, otherwise

>> MS wouldn't have made BILLIONS with pre-XP Windows.

>

>And that doesn't change a thing - Windows is still a great product, runs

>more anything than Ubuntu, and you even continue to use it and you even

>have Vista now - why means that you are exposed as a Hypocrite and liar.

 

You meanwhile are just another hot headed Microsoft zealot that

doesn't have a clue what he's jabbering about.

Alias wrote:

> Adam The Thread Destroyer Albright > wrote:

>> Alias wrote:

>>> Leythos wrote:

>>>> In article <fbehkn$cc0$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>>>>> EXCEPT FOR SOME GAMES, Ubuntu can meet the needs of most people.

>>>>> Nowadays, MOST PEOPLE play games on a console so Windows is needed

>>>>> much less nowadays than before. Personally, I hate consoles so I

>>>>> have a Windows box to play games MADE ONLY FOR WINDOWS.

>>>>

>>>> And except for nothing, Windows meets the needs of MOST PEOPLE

>>>> NOWADAYS. And the nice thing about Windows is that it doesn't

>>>> require that you have a hobby OS in order to pretend you don't need

>>>> other things.

>>>

>>> It is much better at acquiring viruses and malware.

>>>

>>>> Face it, if Ubuntu was able to do the things that MOST people need,

>>>> you would not be running Windows - as most families have kids that

>>>> play GAMES, your logic fails you and proves that you are wrong.

>>>>

>>>

>>> Most kids use PS2/3, Xbox or Wii for gaming. Where have you been,

>>> under a rock?

>>>

>>> I have never advised anyone to switch to Ubuntu for gaming. I have

>>> advised it if they are tired of the "anti piracy" crap, being prone

>>> to viruses and malware, the ease of install, etc. and that it will do

>>> MOST things that MOST people need.

>>>

>>> Just curious, why do you object to my running more than one OS? I may

>>> buy a Mac. Will that bother you too?

>>>

>>

>> <Alias, why don't you just shut the he** up. You've been made to be a

>> *fool* and a *hypocrite*. Your mo is the mo of a *fool* and a

>> *hypocrite*. I am sure I am not the only one that is seeing this.>

>

> Can you address the issues or merely try to shoot the messenger and miss

> every single time?

>

 

<What do you mean shoot? That's more like a *LYNCHING* is in order for

you. You're not Mercury or Hermes. You are Alias the *Hypocrite*.

Frank wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>

>> Frank wrote:

>>

>>> Alias wrote:

>>>

>>>> Frank wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> The fact that you're guilty until you prove otherwise over and

>>>>>> over again makes you feel like what?

>>>>>>

>>>>> You know, I still get the idea that maybe you've got wants &

>>>>> warrants out for your sorry ass in the good'o US of A. You can't

>>>>> use your real name (or maybe you're ashamed of it?) and you feel

>>>>> like a thief all the time according to your postings.

>>>>> What is that all about? Are you a thief? I've never heard anyone

>>>>> else except you say you feel like a thief concerning Windows.

>>>>> I'm sure it's proly just a Freudian slip of sorts right?

>>>>> You're not a thief right?

>>>>> Just curious.

>>>>> Frank

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Um, you're the one who continually brings up warrants and being

>>>> wanted by the law. I'm sure it's proly just a Freudian slip of sorts

>>>> right?

>>>>

>>>

>>> Afraid to answer the question? I live in America. I promise not to

>>> turn you in, ok?

>>> Frank

>>

>>

>> So, you're wanted in some other country and are hiding in LA LA Land.

>> I have explained how it is impossible for me to be wanted but you,

>> conveniently, ignored those posts. Besides, if I were wanted by the

>> USA legal authorities, do you think I would be posting on Usenet?

>>

>

> hahaha...I seriously doubt very much that the USA authorities are

> looking for anyone named "alias"...lol!

 

Ever hear of an IP address? You, again, ignore why it is impossible that

the US authorities are looking for me. Again, sigh, one has to have a

passport to travel overseas to Spain. I have been here for almost twenty

years. Passports expire in ten years, ergo, I needed to renew it and

they do an FBI, Interpol and IRS check on any and all passport

applications. You can apologize anytime you're man enough which will

probably be never.

> Oh, btw, "La La Land" is an LA (Los Angeles) reference.

> Frank

 

Specifically, yes, generally, it means Southern California.

 

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On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 09:39:04 -0700, Frank <fb@nospan.crm> wrote:

>Adam Albright wrote:

>> You're nothing but a fu*king idiot Frank. You'll never be anything

>> else. I pity you.

>>

>hehehe...if you had half the brains and intelligence you think or want

>to have you'd still be a half brained moron.

>Did you even bother to read you own ignorant response to me? You who

>told us all that you were a paid lying accountant of some blood sucking

>attorneys...I guess you didn't retire but in reality you got fired for

>your incompetence.

>Find the part where you contradicted yourself and blew your own logic

>out of the water.

>I strongly suggest you pity only your own stupid idiotic self.

>Frank

 

I never told you any such thing your ignorant dickwad. I said I worked

for one of the major unions in the AFL-CIO and part of my JOB was to

testify as to the results of audits where certain employers failed to

make the required contributions to their contractual obligations to

welfare and pension funds which is regulated under federal law under

ERISA.

 

You being the fuc*ing idiot you always are tried to twist that into

saying I was a paid liar for attorneys.

 

You're nothing but low class sleaze Frank. Pond scum. That's all you

are. A lowlife always lying no account loser since it is becoming

increasingly obvious you must be deranged.

Frank wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>

>> Assuming all your paying customers to be running pirated copies of

>> Windows until they prove otherwise only shows the disdain that MS

>> holds for their paying customers.

>

> That's funny...seeing as how I can count on one hand those who feel that

> way and still have fingers left over. Why is that? I've noticed that

> you're always in the very small minority with your opinions.

 

I can't be responsible for the fact that you hang out with logic

impaired fools such as yourself.

>

> The hate is squarely on MS' shoulders.

>

> You're the one expressing hate, not MS.

> Live with it!

 

I don't hate MS at all. I dislike some of their practices but I the only

thing I hate is hatred.

>

>>

>> I have said this before and I will say it again: MS made BILLIONS with

>> DRM free Windows. Most people are honest and will buy Windows,

>> otherwise MS wouldn't have made BILLIONS with pre-XP Windows.

>>

> You actually believe MS invented DRM don't you?

> Ridiculous!

> Frank

 

Never said they did. I said they used it. You denied that they have DRM

to "protect" their software and now you're saying they do. Which is it,

hot shot?

 

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Adam Albright wrote:

<snipped>

> You meanwhile are just another hot headed Microsoft zealot that

> doesn't have a clue what he's jabbering about.

>

Adam Albright wrote:

>

> You're nothing but low class sleaze Frank. Pond scum. That's all you

> are. A lowlife always lying no account loser since it is becoming

> increasingly obvious you must be deranged.

>