bp wrote:

>> It took me less than an hour to install the last time I did it,

>> including all the updates and programs. Installing XP on the same

>> computer took a couple of days.

>

> Were you drunk?!

>

>>

 

No, with both Ubuntu and XP I take my time and do it right. The fact

that Ubuntu is easier and quicker to to install than XP is an

indisputable fact.

 

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Sadly it's indisputable only in your mixed up brain. Even a Linux fanatic

would admit that Linux SUCKS when it comes to installing anything. If you

find the XP installation (or any other Windows software installation)

difficult, you must be mentally impaired.

 

"Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

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> bp wrote:

>>> It took me less than an hour to install the last time I did it,

>>> including all the updates and programs. Installing XP on the same

>>> computer took a couple of days.

>>

>> Were you drunk?!

>>

>>>

>

> No, with both Ubuntu and XP I take my time and do it right. The fact that

> Ubuntu is easier and quicker to to install than XP is an indisputable

> fact.

>

> --

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> To email me, remove shoes

Yep, installing viruses, trojans and spyware is a snap, can do it with

Windows with your eyes closed.

 

 

PowerUser wrote:

> Sadly it's indisputable only in your mixed up brain. Even a Linux fanatic

> would admit that Linux SUCKS when it comes to installing anything. If you

> find the XP installation (or any other Windows software installation)

> difficult, you must be mentally impaired.

>

> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

> news:fb50nk$q3b$1@aioe.org...

>> bp wrote:

>>>> It took me less than an hour to install the last time I did it,

>>>> including all the updates and programs. Installing XP on the same

>>>> computer took a couple of days.

>>> Were you drunk?!

>>>

>> No, with both Ubuntu and XP I take my time and do it right. The fact that

>> Ubuntu is easier and quicker to to install than XP is an indisputable

>> fact.

>>

>> --

>> Alias

>> To email me, remove shoes

>

>

On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:58:11 -0700, PowerUser wrote:

> Sadly it's indisputable only in your mixed up brain. Even a Linux fanatic

> would admit that Linux SUCKS when it comes to installing anything. If you

> find the XP installation (or any other Windows software installation)

> difficult, you must be mentally impaired.

 

Really? What sucks so bad about clicking the check mark next to the app I

want to install and then clicking the install button?

 

Truly a difficult task...

 

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"Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote in message

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>> It also has Nvidia but the 8400M (does Ubuntu have drivers for that yet?)

>> and I have dvd43 installed so DVD regions are not an issue.

>> I must find out if Ubuntu will play HD DVDs through my HDMI connector to

>> my

>> HDTV.. I bet it doesn't.

>

> nVidia actually has excellent support so yes, you should be able to

> download nVidia drivers (if even necessary) directly from nVidia's website

> for linux. It's pretty simple. Even someone like you should be able to

> figure it out.

>

> Then again, with your attitude....

>

 

I don't have an attitude.. unless you think that someone who believes the OS

to be unimportant and that its applications that matter has an attitude.

Its the Linux crowd in here with the wrong attitude with their linux fixes

everything attitude without even considering what the user wants to do with

their system.

It makes them look like morons and gets linux users a worse reputation than

they already have.

Anyone with any knowledge of computers would find out what the user wanted

before recommending anything.

The constant "get linux" just shows that they cannot be trusted to get

anything right and that their advice can be safely ignored.

 

BTW as of the latest version 21 June 2007 nvidia do not list the 8400 as a

supported chipset in their linux drivers so who knows if it works or not and

if it does which bits don't so you couldn't figure it out.

On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 09:14:14 +0100, dennis@home wrote:

> "Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote in message

> news:q8qdnWbb-ua0YkjbnZ2dnUVZ8vednZ2d@giganews.com...

>

>>> It also has Nvidia but the 8400M (does Ubuntu have drivers for that yet?)

>>> and I have dvd43 installed so DVD regions are not an issue.

>>> I must find out if Ubuntu will play HD DVDs through my HDMI connector to

>>> my

>>> HDTV.. I bet it doesn't.

>>

>> nVidia actually has excellent support so yes, you should be able to

>> download nVidia drivers (if even necessary) directly from nVidia's website

>> for linux. It's pretty simple. Even someone like you should be able to

>> figure it out.

>>

>> Then again, with your attitude....

>>

>

> I don't have an attitude.. unless you think that someone who believes the OS

> to be unimportant and that its applications that matter has an attitude.

 

You do have an attitude. Your attitude pretty much boils down to "If it's

linux it can't be good" attitude.

> Its the Linux crowd in here with the wrong attitude with their linux

> fixes everything attitude without even considering what the user wants

> to do with their system.

 

No that is Alias' attitude.

> It makes them look like morons and gets linux users a worse reputation

> than they already have.

 

That'd be Alias that is the moron.

> Anyone with any knowledge of computers would find out what the user

> wanted before recommending anything.

 

As would I. You don't see me going around telling people "Get Ubuntu" or

anything else. Alias does, I don't. I actually try to help people around

here with their problems if/when I can.

> The constant "get linux" just shows that they cannot be trusted to get

> anything right and that their advice can be safely ignored.

 

Please don't blanket statement all Linux users for Alias' stupidity.

Seriously. He's about the only one I see doing what you are saying in this

newsgroup and I myself have told him to stop before. I fully agree with

pretty much everything you say and if you search google you will see *me*

saying something similar to Alias in this very newsgroup.

>

> BTW as of the latest version 21 June 2007 nvidia do not list the 8400 as a

> supported chipset in their linux drivers so who knows if it works or not and

> if it does which bits don't so you couldn't figure it out.

 

Well I am running my 8800 GTX perfectly fine using nVidia's latest

drivers. Not only do *all* bits of it work, but I can do things I cannot do

under windows such as proper multi-screen support so that I can watch a

movie on my second DVI out on my TV. Can't do that under windows since

nVidia has ditched fullscreen video overlay support under windows.

 

Matter of fact, one of my main projects I work on is heavily dependent on

OpenGL for graphics acceleration so I'd notice if there were problems with

3D Acceleration. =)

 

Oh and BTW, here is the supported *linux* product list from nVidia for the

latest June 2007 driver:

 

http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_18897.html

 

You will find your 8400M on there.

 

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PowerUser wrote:

> Sadly it's indisputable only in your mixed up brain. Even a Linux fanatic

> would admit that Linux SUCKS when it comes to installing anything. If you

> find the XP installation (or any other Windows software installation)

> difficult, you must be mentally impaired.

 

I don't find the XP installation difficult, just long and boring. You

obviously have never installed Ubuntu. It took 58 minutes the last time

(I timed it), including all the updates, programs I wanted, drivers and

Beryl. As Stephen said, ticking a box to install a program is too

difficult for you?

 

With Ubuntu, I used ONE CD, the Ubuntu CD. With Windows XP, well, for

starters:

 

XP CD

Office CD

PHoto shop CD

Nero CD

Printer CD

USB Fax Modem CD

Motherboard CD

Digital Camera CD

etc.

 

In addition, gotta find, download and install things like:

 

Java

Flash

Thunderbird

Firefox

Adobe Reader

Avast

Comodo Firewall

 

etc.

 

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Stephan Rose wrote:

> On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 09:14:14 +0100, dennis@home wrote:

>

>> "Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote in message

>> news:q8qdnWbb-ua0YkjbnZ2dnUVZ8vednZ2d@giganews.com...

>>

>>>> It also has Nvidia but the 8400M (does Ubuntu have drivers for that yet?)

>>>> and I have dvd43 installed so DVD regions are not an issue.

>>>> I must find out if Ubuntu will play HD DVDs through my HDMI connector to

>>>> my

>>>> HDTV.. I bet it doesn't.

>>> nVidia actually has excellent support so yes, you should be able to

>>> download nVidia drivers (if even necessary) directly from nVidia's website

>>> for linux. It's pretty simple. Even someone like you should be able to

>>> figure it out.

>>>

>>> Then again, with your attitude....

>>>

>> I don't have an attitude.. unless you think that someone who believes the OS

>> to be unimportant and that its applications that matter has an attitude.

>

> You do have an attitude. Your attitude pretty much boils down to "If it's

> linux it can't be good" attitude.

>

>> Its the Linux crowd in here with the wrong attitude with their linux

>> fixes everything attitude without even considering what the user wants

>> to do with their system.

>

> No that is Alias' attitude.

 

False.

>

>> It makes them look like morons and gets linux users a worse reputation

>> than they already have.

>

> That'd be Alias that is the moron.

 

Fuçk you.

>

>> Anyone with any knowledge of computers would find out what the user

>> wanted before recommending anything.

>

> As would I. You don't see me going around telling people "Get Ubuntu" or

> anything else. Alias does, I don't. I actually try to help people around

> here with their problems if/when I can.

 

What's wrong with getting Ubuntu, Stephen?

>

>> The constant "get linux" just shows that they cannot be trusted to get

>> anything right and that their advice can be safely ignored.

>

> Please don't blanket statement all Linux users for Alias' stupidity.

 

How is installing Ubuntu stupid, Stephen?

> Seriously. He's about the only one I see doing what you are saying in this

> newsgroup and I myself have told him to stop before.

 

False. You've tried to tell me to stop fighting with Frank.

 

I fully agree with

> pretty much everything you say and if you search google you will see *me*

> saying something similar to Alias in this very newsgroup.

 

Show me a post of mine that is false, Stephen.

 

Maybe in your future posts you can defend what you say without resorting

to insulting me, maybe not. Have I ever insulted YOU on these boards?

 

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On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 11:41:02 +0200, Alias wrote:

> Stephan Rose wrote:

>> On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 09:14:14 +0100, dennis@home wrote:

>>

>>> "Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote in message

>>> news:q8qdnWbb-ua0YkjbnZ2dnUVZ8vednZ2d@giganews.com...

>>>

>>>>> It also has Nvidia but the 8400M (does Ubuntu have drivers for that yet?)

>>>>> and I have dvd43 installed so DVD regions are not an issue.

>>>>> I must find out if Ubuntu will play HD DVDs through my HDMI connector to

>>>>> my

>>>>> HDTV.. I bet it doesn't.

>>>> nVidia actually has excellent support so yes, you should be able to

>>>> download nVidia drivers (if even necessary) directly from nVidia's website

>>>> for linux. It's pretty simple. Even someone like you should be able to

>>>> figure it out.

>>>>

>>>> Then again, with your attitude....

>>>>

>>> I don't have an attitude.. unless you think that someone who believes the OS

>>> to be unimportant and that its applications that matter has an attitude.

>>

>> You do have an attitude. Your attitude pretty much boils down to "If it's

>> linux it can't be good" attitude.

>>

>>> Its the Linux crowd in here with the wrong attitude with their linux

>>> fixes everything attitude without even considering what the user wants

>>> to do with their system.

>>

>> No that is Alias' attitude.

>

> False.

>

>>

>>> It makes them look like morons and gets linux users a worse reputation

>>> than they already have.

>>

>> That'd be Alias that is the moron.

>

> Fuçk you.

>

>>

>>> Anyone with any knowledge of computers would find out what the user

>>> wanted before recommending anything.

>>

>> As would I. You don't see me going around telling people "Get Ubuntu" or

>> anything else. Alias does, I don't. I actually try to help people around

>> here with their problems if/when I can.

>

> What's wrong with getting Ubuntu, Stephen?

>

>>

>>> The constant "get linux" just shows that they cannot be trusted to get

>>> anything right and that their advice can be safely ignored.

>>

>> Please don't blanket statement all Linux users for Alias' stupidity.

>

> How is installing Ubuntu stupid, Stephen?

>

>> Seriously. He's about the only one I see doing what you are saying in this

>> newsgroup and I myself have told him to stop before.

>

> False. You've tried to tell me to stop fighting with Frank.

>

> I fully agree with

>> pretty much everything you say and if you search google you will see *me*

>> saying something similar to Alias in this very newsgroup.

>

> Show me a post of mine that is false, Stephen.

>

> Maybe in your future posts you can defend what you say without resorting

> to insulting me, maybe not. Have I ever insulted YOU on these boards?

 

Man you have some serious short term memory issues. Do I seriously need to

google the post where you yourself acknowledged what I had told you about

spamming the newsgroup with "Get Ubuntu?"

 

To answer your above questions. There is nothing wrong with getting or

installing Ubuntu. It's a great OS, I enjoy using it. I never said there

was anything wrong with it.

 

Only thing I am referring to you is your trolling of this newsgroup. It

casts a bad light on Ubuntu and the Linux community as a whole. It makes

us *all* look bad.

 

How would *you* feel if you saw someone constantly telling everyone "Get

Vista" in the Ubuntu Newsgroups?

 

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Stephan Rose wrote:

> On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 11:41:02 +0200, Alias wrote:

>

>> Stephan Rose wrote:

>>> On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 09:14:14 +0100, dennis@home wrote:

>>>

>>>> "Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:q8qdnWbb-ua0YkjbnZ2dnUVZ8vednZ2d@giganews.com...

>>>>

>>>>>> It also has Nvidia but the 8400M (does Ubuntu have drivers for that yet?)

>>>>>> and I have dvd43 installed so DVD regions are not an issue.

>>>>>> I must find out if Ubuntu will play HD DVDs through my HDMI connector to

>>>>>> my

>>>>>> HDTV.. I bet it doesn't.

>>>>> nVidia actually has excellent support so yes, you should be able to

>>>>> download nVidia drivers (if even necessary) directly from nVidia's website

>>>>> for linux. It's pretty simple. Even someone like you should be able to

>>>>> figure it out.

>>>>>

>>>>> Then again, with your attitude....

>>>>>

>>>> I don't have an attitude.. unless you think that someone who believes the OS

>>>> to be unimportant and that its applications that matter has an attitude.

>>> You do have an attitude. Your attitude pretty much boils down to "If it's

>>> linux it can't be good" attitude.

>>>

>>>> Its the Linux crowd in here with the wrong attitude with their linux

>>>> fixes everything attitude without even considering what the user wants

>>>> to do with their system.

>>> No that is Alias' attitude.

>> False.

>>

>>>> It makes them look like morons and gets linux users a worse reputation

>>>> than they already have.

>>> That'd be Alias that is the moron.

>> Fuçk you.

>>

>>>> Anyone with any knowledge of computers would find out what the user

>>>> wanted before recommending anything.

>>> As would I. You don't see me going around telling people "Get Ubuntu" or

>>> anything else. Alias does, I don't. I actually try to help people around

>>> here with their problems if/when I can.

>> What's wrong with getting Ubuntu, Stephen?

>>

>>>> The constant "get linux" just shows that they cannot be trusted to get

>>>> anything right and that their advice can be safely ignored.

>>> Please don't blanket statement all Linux users for Alias' stupidity.

>> How is installing Ubuntu stupid, Stephen?

>>

>>> Seriously. He's about the only one I see doing what you are saying in this

>>> newsgroup and I myself have told him to stop before.

>> False. You've tried to tell me to stop fighting with Frank.

>>

>> I fully agree with

>>> pretty much everything you say and if you search google you will see *me*

>>> saying something similar to Alias in this very newsgroup.

>> Show me a post of mine that is false, Stephen.

>>

>> Maybe in your future posts you can defend what you say without resorting

>> to insulting me, maybe not. Have I ever insulted YOU on these boards?

>

> Man you have some serious short term memory issues. Do I seriously need to

> google the post where you yourself acknowledged what I had told you about

> spamming the newsgroup with "Get Ubuntu?"

>

> To answer your above questions. There is nothing wrong with getting or

> installing Ubuntu. It's a great OS, I enjoy using it. I never said there

> was anything wrong with it.

>

> Only thing I am referring to you is your trolling of this newsgroup. It

> casts a bad light on Ubuntu and the Linux community as a whole. It makes

> us *all* look bad.

>

> How would *you* feel if you saw someone constantly telling everyone "Get

> Vista" in the Ubuntu Newsgroups?

>

 

Um, *everyone* on the Ubuntu newsgroups knows about Windows. Hardly

*anyone* knows about Ubuntu on the Windows groups until I started posting.

 

I have never insulted you, regardless of what you post and I don't think

it unreasonable to expect the same.

 

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On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 12:51:03 +0200, Alias wrote:

> Stephan Rose wrote:

>> On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 11:41:02 +0200, Alias wrote:

>>

>>> Stephan Rose wrote:

>>>> On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 09:14:14 +0100, dennis@home wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> "Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote in message

>>>>> news:q8qdnWbb-ua0YkjbnZ2dnUVZ8vednZ2d@giganews.com...

>>>>>

>>>>>>> It also has Nvidia but the 8400M (does Ubuntu have drivers for that yet?)

>>>>>>> and I have dvd43 installed so DVD regions are not an issue.

>>>>>>> I must find out if Ubuntu will play HD DVDs through my HDMI connector to

>>>>>>> my

>>>>>>> HDTV.. I bet it doesn't.

>>>>>> nVidia actually has excellent support so yes, you should be able to

>>>>>> download nVidia drivers (if even necessary) directly from nVidia's website

>>>>>> for linux. It's pretty simple. Even someone like you should be able to

>>>>>> figure it out.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Then again, with your attitude....

>>>>>>

>>>>> I don't have an attitude.. unless you think that someone who believes the OS

>>>>> to be unimportant and that its applications that matter has an attitude.

>>>> You do have an attitude. Your attitude pretty much boils down to "If it's

>>>> linux it can't be good" attitude.

>>>>

>>>>> Its the Linux crowd in here with the wrong attitude with their linux

>>>>> fixes everything attitude without even considering what the user wants

>>>>> to do with their system.

>>>> No that is Alias' attitude.

>>> False.

>>>

>>>>> It makes them look like morons and gets linux users a worse reputation

>>>>> than they already have.

>>>> That'd be Alias that is the moron.

>>> Fuçk you.

>>>

>>>>> Anyone with any knowledge of computers would find out what the user

>>>>> wanted before recommending anything.

>>>> As would I. You don't see me going around telling people "Get Ubuntu" or

>>>> anything else. Alias does, I don't. I actually try to help people around

>>>> here with their problems if/when I can.

>>> What's wrong with getting Ubuntu, Stephen?

>>>

>>>>> The constant "get linux" just shows that they cannot be trusted to get

>>>>> anything right and that their advice can be safely ignored.

>>>> Please don't blanket statement all Linux users for Alias' stupidity.

>>> How is installing Ubuntu stupid, Stephen?

>>>

>>>> Seriously. He's about the only one I see doing what you are saying in this

>>>> newsgroup and I myself have told him to stop before.

>>> False. You've tried to tell me to stop fighting with Frank.

>>>

>>> I fully agree with

>>>> pretty much everything you say and if you search google you will see *me*

>>>> saying something similar to Alias in this very newsgroup.

>>> Show me a post of mine that is false, Stephen.

>>>

>>> Maybe in your future posts you can defend what you say without resorting

>>> to insulting me, maybe not. Have I ever insulted YOU on these boards?

>>

>> Man you have some serious short term memory issues. Do I seriously need to

>> google the post where you yourself acknowledged what I had told you about

>> spamming the newsgroup with "Get Ubuntu?"

>>

>> To answer your above questions. There is nothing wrong with getting or

>> installing Ubuntu. It's a great OS, I enjoy using it. I never said there

>> was anything wrong with it.

>>

>> Only thing I am referring to you is your trolling of this newsgroup. It

>> casts a bad light on Ubuntu and the Linux community as a whole. It makes

>> us *all* look bad.

>>

>> How would *you* feel if you saw someone constantly telling everyone "Get

>> Vista" in the Ubuntu Newsgroups?

>>

>

> Um, *everyone* on the Ubuntu newsgroups knows about Windows. Hardly

> *anyone* knows about Ubuntu on the Windows groups until I started

> posting.

 

That does not change the fact that it is trolling. Though I doubt that

you'll ever manage to understand that.

>

> I have never insulted you, regardless of what you post and I don't think

> it unreasonable to expect the same.

>

 

Allright, fair enough. If I offended you, I apologize. I actually did not

intend to insult you...trust me, that would look *quite* different...so

again, I apologize if I did.

 

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> Show me a post of mine that is false

 

Any post suggesting that Ubuntu can replace Windows XP or Vista for the

same functions/uses, or that suggests that Open Office is a replacement

for MS Office (2000, XP, 2003, 2007).....

 

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Stephan Rose wrote:

> On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 12:51:03 +0200, Alias wrote:

>

>> Stephan Rose wrote:

>>> On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 11:41:02 +0200, Alias wrote:

>>>

>>>> Stephan Rose wrote:

>>>>> On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 09:14:14 +0100, dennis@home wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> "Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote in message

>>>>>> news:q8qdnWbb-ua0YkjbnZ2dnUVZ8vednZ2d@giganews.com...

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> It also has Nvidia but the 8400M (does Ubuntu have drivers for that yet?)

>>>>>>>> and I have dvd43 installed so DVD regions are not an issue.

>>>>>>>> I must find out if Ubuntu will play HD DVDs through my HDMI connector to

>>>>>>>> my

>>>>>>>> HDTV.. I bet it doesn't.

>>>>>>> nVidia actually has excellent support so yes, you should be able to

>>>>>>> download nVidia drivers (if even necessary) directly from nVidia's website

>>>>>>> for linux. It's pretty simple. Even someone like you should be able to

>>>>>>> figure it out.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Then again, with your attitude....

>>>>>>>

>>>>>> I don't have an attitude.. unless you think that someone who believes the OS

>>>>>> to be unimportant and that its applications that matter has an attitude.

>>>>> You do have an attitude. Your attitude pretty much boils down to "If it's

>>>>> linux it can't be good" attitude.

>>>>>

>>>>>> Its the Linux crowd in here with the wrong attitude with their linux

>>>>>> fixes everything attitude without even considering what the user wants

>>>>>> to do with their system.

>>>>> No that is Alias' attitude.

>>>> False.

>>>>

>>>>>> It makes them look like morons and gets linux users a worse reputation

>>>>>> than they already have.

>>>>> That'd be Alias that is the moron.

>>>> Fuçk you.

>>>>

>>>>>> Anyone with any knowledge of computers would find out what the user

>>>>>> wanted before recommending anything.

>>>>> As would I. You don't see me going around telling people "Get Ubuntu" or

>>>>> anything else. Alias does, I don't. I actually try to help people around

>>>>> here with their problems if/when I can.

>>>> What's wrong with getting Ubuntu, Stephen?

>>>>

>>>>>> The constant "get linux" just shows that they cannot be trusted to get

>>>>>> anything right and that their advice can be safely ignored.

>>>>> Please don't blanket statement all Linux users for Alias' stupidity.

>>>> How is installing Ubuntu stupid, Stephen?

>>>>

>>>>> Seriously. He's about the only one I see doing what you are saying in this

>>>>> newsgroup and I myself have told him to stop before.

>>>> False. You've tried to tell me to stop fighting with Frank.

>>>>

>>>> I fully agree with

>>>>> pretty much everything you say and if you search google you will see *me*

>>>>> saying something similar to Alias in this very newsgroup.

>>>> Show me a post of mine that is false, Stephen.

>>>>

>>>> Maybe in your future posts you can defend what you say without resorting

>>>> to insulting me, maybe not. Have I ever insulted YOU on these boards?

>>> Man you have some serious short term memory issues. Do I seriously need to

>>> google the post where you yourself acknowledged what I had told you about

>>> spamming the newsgroup with "Get Ubuntu?"

>>>

>>> To answer your above questions. There is nothing wrong with getting or

>>> installing Ubuntu. It's a great OS, I enjoy using it. I never said there

>>> was anything wrong with it.

>>>

>>> Only thing I am referring to you is your trolling of this newsgroup. It

>>> casts a bad light on Ubuntu and the Linux community as a whole. It makes

>>> us *all* look bad.

>>>

>>> How would *you* feel if you saw someone constantly telling everyone "Get

>>> Vista" in the Ubuntu Newsgroups?

>>>

>> Um, *everyone* on the Ubuntu newsgroups knows about Windows. Hardly

>> *anyone* knows about Ubuntu on the Windows groups until I started

>> posting.

>

> That does not change the fact that it is trolling. Though I doubt that

> you'll ever manage to understand that.

 

Call it anything you want. After seeing the malware infested Windows

boxes that your "average" computer user has, it is to our benefit that

people switch to Ubuntu to keep the Internet safer.

>

>> I have never insulted you, regardless of what you post and I don't think

>> it unreasonable to expect the same.

>>

>

> Allright, fair enough. If I offended you, I apologize. I actually did not

> intend to insult you...trust me, that would look *quite* different...so

> again, I apologize if I did.

>

 

You wrote in this very post, and I quote:

 

"That'd be Alias that is the moron.

 

Please don't blanket statement all Linux users for Alias' stupidity."

 

Would you categorize those as insults?

 

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On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 13:43:14 +0200, Alias wrote:

> Stephan Rose wrote:

>> On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 12:51:03 +0200, Alias wrote:

>>

>>> Stephan Rose wrote:

>>>> On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 11:41:02 +0200, Alias wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Stephan Rose wrote:

>>>>>> On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 09:14:14 +0100, dennis@home wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> "Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>> news:q8qdnWbb-ua0YkjbnZ2dnUVZ8vednZ2d@giganews.com...

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> It also has Nvidia but the 8400M (does Ubuntu have drivers for that yet?)

>>>>>>>>> and I have dvd43 installed so DVD regions are not an issue.

>>>>>>>>> I must find out if Ubuntu will play HD DVDs through my HDMI connector to

>>>>>>>>> my

>>>>>>>>> HDTV.. I bet it doesn't.

>>>>>>>> nVidia actually has excellent support so yes, you should be able to

>>>>>>>> download nVidia drivers (if even necessary) directly from nVidia's website

>>>>>>>> for linux. It's pretty simple. Even someone like you should be able to

>>>>>>>> figure it out.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Then again, with your attitude....

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I don't have an attitude.. unless you think that someone who believes the OS

>>>>>>> to be unimportant and that its applications that matter has an attitude.

>>>>>> You do have an attitude. Your attitude pretty much boils down to "If it's

>>>>>> linux it can't be good" attitude.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Its the Linux crowd in here with the wrong attitude with their linux

>>>>>>> fixes everything attitude without even considering what the user wants

>>>>>>> to do with their system.

>>>>>> No that is Alias' attitude.

>>>>> False.

>>>>>

>>>>>>> It makes them look like morons and gets linux users a worse reputation

>>>>>>> than they already have.

>>>>>> That'd be Alias that is the moron.

>>>>> Fuçk you.

>>>>>

>>>>>>> Anyone with any knowledge of computers would find out what the user

>>>>>>> wanted before recommending anything.

>>>>>> As would I. You don't see me going around telling people "Get Ubuntu" or

>>>>>> anything else. Alias does, I don't. I actually try to help people around

>>>>>> here with their problems if/when I can.

>>>>> What's wrong with getting Ubuntu, Stephen?

>>>>>

>>>>>>> The constant "get linux" just shows that they cannot be trusted to get

>>>>>>> anything right and that their advice can be safely ignored.

>>>>>> Please don't blanket statement all Linux users for Alias' stupidity.

>>>>> How is installing Ubuntu stupid, Stephen?

>>>>>

>>>>>> Seriously. He's about the only one I see doing what you are saying in this

>>>>>> newsgroup and I myself have told him to stop before.

>>>>> False. You've tried to tell me to stop fighting with Frank.

>>>>>

>>>>> I fully agree with

>>>>>> pretty much everything you say and if you search google you will see *me*

>>>>>> saying something similar to Alias in this very newsgroup.

>>>>> Show me a post of mine that is false, Stephen.

>>>>>

>>>>> Maybe in your future posts you can defend what you say without resorting

>>>>> to insulting me, maybe not. Have I ever insulted YOU on these boards?

>>>> Man you have some serious short term memory issues. Do I seriously need to

>>>> google the post where you yourself acknowledged what I had told you about

>>>> spamming the newsgroup with "Get Ubuntu?"

>>>>

>>>> To answer your above questions. There is nothing wrong with getting or

>>>> installing Ubuntu. It's a great OS, I enjoy using it. I never said there

>>>> was anything wrong with it.

>>>>

>>>> Only thing I am referring to you is your trolling of this newsgroup. It

>>>> casts a bad light on Ubuntu and the Linux community as a whole. It makes

>>>> us *all* look bad.

>>>>

>>>> How would *you* feel if you saw someone constantly telling everyone "Get

>>>> Vista" in the Ubuntu Newsgroups?

>>>>

>>> Um, *everyone* on the Ubuntu newsgroups knows about Windows. Hardly

>>> *anyone* knows about Ubuntu on the Windows groups until I started

>>> posting.

>>

>> That does not change the fact that it is trolling. Though I doubt that

>> you'll ever manage to understand that.

>

> Call it anything you want. After seeing the malware infested Windows

> boxes that your "average" computer user has, it is to our benefit that

> people switch to Ubuntu to keep the Internet safer.

 

Like I said...

>>

>>> I have never insulted you, regardless of what you post and I don't think

>>> it unreasonable to expect the same.

>>>

>>

>> Allright, fair enough. If I offended you, I apologize. I actually did not

>> intend to insult you...trust me, that would look *quite* different...so

>> again, I apologize if I did.

>>

>

> You wrote in this very post, and I quote:

>

> "That'd be Alias that is the moron.

>

> Please don't blanket statement all Linux users for Alias' stupidity."

>

> Would you categorize those as insults?

 

Nope. I would categorize those as my opinion over many of your posts you

make in this newsgroup. If you view that as insults, man how did you ever

make it past 1st grade? This is usenet. I suggest you grow a thicker skin.

 

Regardless of that, you can either accept my prior apology or hide in a

corner and cry. I honestly really don't care either way. As far as I am

concerned, this conversation is over.

 

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Stephan Rose wrote:

> On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 13:43:14 +0200, Alias wrote:

>

>> Stephan Rose wrote:

>>> On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 12:51:03 +0200, Alias wrote:

>>>

>>>> Stephan Rose wrote:

>>>>> On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 11:41:02 +0200, Alias wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> Stephan Rose wrote:

>>>>>>> On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 09:14:14 +0100, dennis@home wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> "Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>>> news:q8qdnWbb-ua0YkjbnZ2dnUVZ8vednZ2d@giganews.com...

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> It also has Nvidia but the 8400M (does Ubuntu have drivers for that yet?)

>>>>>>>>>> and I have dvd43 installed so DVD regions are not an issue.

>>>>>>>>>> I must find out if Ubuntu will play HD DVDs through my HDMI connector to

>>>>>>>>>> my

>>>>>>>>>> HDTV.. I bet it doesn't.

>>>>>>>>> nVidia actually has excellent support so yes, you should be able to

>>>>>>>>> download nVidia drivers (if even necessary) directly from nVidia's website

>>>>>>>>> for linux. It's pretty simple. Even someone like you should be able to

>>>>>>>>> figure it out.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Then again, with your attitude....

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I don't have an attitude.. unless you think that someone who believes the OS

>>>>>>>> to be unimportant and that its applications that matter has an attitude.

>>>>>>> You do have an attitude. Your attitude pretty much boils down to "If it's

>>>>>>> linux it can't be good" attitude.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Its the Linux crowd in here with the wrong attitude with their linux

>>>>>>>> fixes everything attitude without even considering what the user wants

>>>>>>>> to do with their system.

>>>>>>> No that is Alias' attitude.

>>>>>> False.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> It makes them look like morons and gets linux users a worse reputation

>>>>>>>> than they already have.

>>>>>>> That'd be Alias that is the moron.

>>>>>> Fuçk you.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Anyone with any knowledge of computers would find out what the user

>>>>>>>> wanted before recommending anything.

>>>>>>> As would I. You don't see me going around telling people "Get Ubuntu" or

>>>>>>> anything else. Alias does, I don't. I actually try to help people around

>>>>>>> here with their problems if/when I can.

>>>>>> What's wrong with getting Ubuntu, Stephen?

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> The constant "get linux" just shows that they cannot be trusted to get

>>>>>>>> anything right and that their advice can be safely ignored.

>>>>>>> Please don't blanket statement all Linux users for Alias' stupidity.

>>>>>> How is installing Ubuntu stupid, Stephen?

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Seriously. He's about the only one I see doing what you are saying in this

>>>>>>> newsgroup and I myself have told him to stop before.

>>>>>> False. You've tried to tell me to stop fighting with Frank.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I fully agree with

>>>>>>> pretty much everything you say and if you search google you will see *me*

>>>>>>> saying something similar to Alias in this very newsgroup.

>>>>>> Show me a post of mine that is false, Stephen.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Maybe in your future posts you can defend what you say without resorting

>>>>>> to insulting me, maybe not. Have I ever insulted YOU on these boards?

>>>>> Man you have some serious short term memory issues. Do I seriously need to

>>>>> google the post where you yourself acknowledged what I had told you about

>>>>> spamming the newsgroup with "Get Ubuntu?"

>>>>>

>>>>> To answer your above questions. There is nothing wrong with getting or

>>>>> installing Ubuntu. It's a great OS, I enjoy using it. I never said there

>>>>> was anything wrong with it.

>>>>>

>>>>> Only thing I am referring to you is your trolling of this newsgroup. It

>>>>> casts a bad light on Ubuntu and the Linux community as a whole. It makes

>>>>> us *all* look bad.

>>>>>

>>>>> How would *you* feel if you saw someone constantly telling everyone "Get

>>>>> Vista" in the Ubuntu Newsgroups?

>>>>>

>>>> Um, *everyone* on the Ubuntu newsgroups knows about Windows. Hardly

>>>> *anyone* knows about Ubuntu on the Windows groups until I started

>>>> posting.

>>> That does not change the fact that it is trolling. Though I doubt that

>>> you'll ever manage to understand that.

>> Call it anything you want. After seeing the malware infested Windows

>> boxes that your "average" computer user has, it is to our benefit that

>> people switch to Ubuntu to keep the Internet safer.

>

> Like I said...

 

Call it what you want. If NoStop hadn't been "trolling" this newsgroup,

I would have never heard of Ubuntu. I am thankful to him for sharing the

great news.

>

>>>> I have never insulted you, regardless of what you post and I don't think

>>>> it unreasonable to expect the same.

>>>>

>>> Allright, fair enough. If I offended you, I apologize. I actually did not

>>> intend to insult you...trust me, that would look *quite* different...so

>>> again, I apologize if I did.

>>>

>> You wrote in this very post, and I quote:

>>

>> "That'd be Alias that is the moron.

>>

>> Please don't blanket statement all Linux users for Alias' stupidity."

>>

>> Would you categorize those as insults?

>

> Nope. I would categorize those as my opinion over many of your posts you

> make in this newsgroup. If you view that as insults, man how did you ever

> make it past 1st grade? This is usenet. I suggest you grow a thicker skin.

 

Your opinion is that I am stupid and that I am a moron. Yes, I would

categorize those as insults as would anyone with any common sense. The

fact that you tried to make yourself look better by insulting me makes

it even worse.

>

> Regardless of that, you can either accept my prior apology or hide in a

> corner and cry. I honestly really don't care either way. As far as I am

> concerned, this conversation is over.

>

 

I wish.

 

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In article <fb6dh3$kjl$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

> Call it what you want. If NoStop hadn't been "trolling" this newsgroup,

> I would have never heard of Ubuntu. I am thankful to him for sharing the

> great news.

 

But Ubuntu is one of the worst distro's out, not supporting of nearly as

much hardware, and it has less technical support from "friends" than

Windows does. And there is also less program support than in Windows...

 

How are you going to feel when some ignorant person loads Ubuntu and

then can't work with people that have MS apps for documents?

 

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Leythos wrote:

> In article <fb6dh3$kjl$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>> Call it what you want. If NoStop hadn't been "trolling" this newsgroup,

>> I would have never heard of Ubuntu. I am thankful to him for sharing the

>> great news.

>

> But Ubuntu is one of the worst distro's out, not supporting of nearly as

> much hardware, and it has less technical support from "friends" than

> Windows does.

 

Vista supports all hardware? Oh, yeah, when it doesn't, it's the

hardware manufacturer's fault for not providing drivers and legacy

support for old hardware is practically nonexistent. Why doesn't the

same apply to Ubuntu? Ubuntu supports all the hardware I have on three

different computers. It also supports the hardware on dozens of

computers that I or a friend of mine has installed Ubuntu on.

> And there is also less program support than in Windows...

 

Really? Please explain.

>

> How are you going to feel when some ignorant person loads Ubuntu and

> then can't work with people that have MS apps for documents?

 

If one really needs MS apps, one can dual boot with XP, although most

people don't need to do that.

 

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In article <fb6h8f$1ki$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

> Leythos wrote:

> > In article <fb6dh3$kjl$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

> >> Call it what you want. If NoStop hadn't been "trolling" this newsgroup,

> >> I would have never heard of Ubuntu. I am thankful to him for sharing the

> >> great news.

> >

> > But Ubuntu is one of the worst distro's out, not supporting of nearly as

> > much hardware, and it has less technical support from "friends" than

> > Windows does.

>

> Vista supports all hardware? Oh, yeah, when it doesn't, it's the

> hardware manufacturer's fault for not providing drivers and legacy

> support for old hardware is practically nonexistent. Why doesn't the

> same apply to Ubuntu? Ubuntu supports all the hardware I have on three

> different computers. It also supports the hardware on dozens of

> computers that I or a friend of mine has installed Ubuntu on.

 

Why doesn't Ubuntu support near the same amount - you preach that Ubuntu

is the savior of the world and yet it's very lacking in the basics.

> > And there is also less program support than in Windows...

>

> Really? Please explain.

 

Of them majority of programs that are common for most users that read

this group, Windows supports more of the apps that people are going to

interact with others with then does Ubuntu.

> > How are you going to feel when some ignorant person loads Ubuntu and

> > then can't work with people that have MS apps for documents?

>

> If one really needs MS apps, one can dual boot with XP, although most

> people don't need to do that.

 

Yea, so Ubuntu is only good for email, web browsing, and using common

document formats that don't work well with people that interact with

anyone using MS Office, MS Works, or several other formats for

documents.

 

So, you've indicated that Ubuntu is only good for limited users on

hardware that may or may not be supported.

 

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Leythos wrote:

> In article <fb6h8f$1ki$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>> Leythos wrote:

>>> In article <fb6dh3$kjl$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>>>> Call it what you want. If NoStop hadn't been "trolling" this newsgroup,

>>>> I would have never heard of Ubuntu. I am thankful to him for sharing the

>>>> great news.

>>> But Ubuntu is one of the worst distro's out, not supporting of nearly as

>>> much hardware, and it has less technical support from "friends" than

>>> Windows does.

>> Vista supports all hardware? Oh, yeah, when it doesn't, it's the

>> hardware manufacturer's fault for not providing drivers and legacy

>> support for old hardware is practically nonexistent. Why doesn't the

>> same apply to Ubuntu? Ubuntu supports all the hardware I have on three

>> different computers. It also supports the hardware on dozens of

>> computers that I or a friend of mine has installed Ubuntu on.

>

> Why doesn't Ubuntu support near the same amount - you preach that Ubuntu

> is the savior of the world and yet it's very lacking in the basics.

 

I installed Ubuntu on an old HP AMD 800 with 256 PC-100 RAM. Even XP

won't run properly on that, much less Vista, but Ubuntu runs just fine

on it, supporting ALL the hardware. Oops.

>

>>> And there is also less program support than in Windows...

>> Really? Please explain.

>

> Of them majority of programs that are common for most users that read

> this group, Windows supports more of the apps that people are going to

> interact with others with then does Ubuntu.

 

Besides specialty apps like Auto Cad, what programs are you talking about?

>

>>> How are you going to feel when some ignorant person loads Ubuntu and

>>> then can't work with people that have MS apps for documents?

>> If one really needs MS apps, one can dual boot with XP, although most

>> people don't need to do that.

>

> Yea, so Ubuntu is only good for email, web browsing, and using common

> document formats that don't work well with people that interact with

> anyone using MS Office, MS Works, or several other formats for

> documents.

 

You're speaking about a very tiny minority of users. Your average

computer user has no need for complicated MS Office files. AND, your

average computer user is the one who usually gets compromised and added

to a herd bot, not the users who use specialized programs that require a

lot of technical know-how.

> So, you've indicated that Ubuntu is only good for limited users on

> hardware that may or may not be supported.

 

Like I said, Vista doesn't support all hardware because the drivers

haven't been written or Vista is just too bloated to run on old

hardware. If the hardware isn't compatible with Vista or Ubuntu, it's

not Vista's nor Ubuntu's fault. If the people who only use a computer

for email, surfing, IMing, an occasional .doc file and watching DVDs or

listening to music, were to switch to Ubuntu, the Net would be a much

safer place, herd bots would practically disappear and so would viral

propagation. Hence, my "spamming" is a noble cause, your supercilious

and arrogant attitude notwithstanding.

 

 

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In article <fb6i4k$4j6$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

> Leythos wrote:

> > In article <fb6h8f$1ki$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

> >> Leythos wrote:

> >>> In article <fb6dh3$kjl$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

> >>>> Call it what you want. If NoStop hadn't been "trolling" this newsgroup,

> >>>> I would have never heard of Ubuntu. I am thankful to him for sharing the

> >>>> great news.

> >>> But Ubuntu is one of the worst distro's out, not supporting of nearly as

> >>> much hardware, and it has less technical support from "friends" than

> >>> Windows does.

> >> Vista supports all hardware? Oh, yeah, when it doesn't, it's the

> >> hardware manufacturer's fault for not providing drivers and legacy

> >> support for old hardware is practically nonexistent. Why doesn't the

> >> same apply to Ubuntu? Ubuntu supports all the hardware I have on three

> >> different computers. It also supports the hardware on dozens of

> >> computers that I or a friend of mine has installed Ubuntu on.

> >

> > Why doesn't Ubuntu support near the same amount - you preach that Ubuntu

> > is the savior of the world and yet it's very lacking in the basics.

>

> I installed Ubuntu on an old HP AMD 800 with 256 PC-100 RAM. Even XP

> won't run properly on that, much less Vista, but Ubuntu runs just fine

> on it, supporting ALL the hardware. Oops.

 

I have 6 computers, Dell Optiplex 400Mhz (even before the P2 came out)

with 128MB RAM, 10GB drives, running XP Prof Sp2 and Office XP without

any problem, supporting all their hardware and printers... Guess you

don't know much about installing XP.

> >>> And there is also less program support than in Windows...

> >> Really? Please explain.

> >

> > Of them majority of programs that are common for most users that read

> > this group, Windows supports more of the apps that people are going to

> > interact with others with then does Ubuntu.

>

> Besides specialty apps like Auto Cad, what programs are you talking about?

 

Come on, you've got to be kidding. There are many, don't play the game,

you know full well that most common apps that people use are not

supported on Ubuntu - and that goes for most common formats that are

used by their friends and co-workers.

> >>> How are you going to feel when some ignorant person loads Ubuntu and

> >>> then can't work with people that have MS apps for documents?

> >> If one really needs MS apps, one can dual boot with XP, although most

> >> people don't need to do that.

> >

> > Yea, so Ubuntu is only good for email, web browsing, and using common

> > document formats that don't work well with people that interact with

> > anyone using MS Office, MS Works, or several other formats for

> > documents.

>

> You're speaking about a very tiny minority of users. Your average

> computer user has no need for complicated MS Office files. AND, your

> average computer user is the one who usually gets compromised and added

> to a herd bot, not the users who use specialized programs that require a

> lot of technical know-how.

 

And you're speaking about a tiny OS, Ubuntu, that won't come with the

ability of users that have friends, existing documents, etc... that

won't be able to edit them in their native format, won't properly

convert them in many cases, etc...

 

Strange, we just saw how a network administrator had compromised Ubuntu

machines because of a failure to understand security....

> > So, you've indicated that Ubuntu is only good for limited users on

> > hardware that may or may not be supported.

>

> Like I said, Vista doesn't support all hardware because the drivers

> haven't been written or Vista is just too bloated to run on old

> hardware. If the hardware isn't compatible with Vista or Ubuntu, it's

> not Vista's nor Ubuntu's fault. If the people who only use a computer

> for email, surfing, IMing, an occasional .doc file and watching DVDs or

> listening to music, were to switch to Ubuntu, the Net would be a much

> safer place, herd bots would practically disappear and so would viral

> propagation. Hence, my "spamming" is a noble cause, your supercilious

> and arrogant attitude notwithstanding.

 

Your spamming is nothing short of rude and filled with lies and half

truths.

 

And the point is that people can still buy XP installed systems, that

support more than Ubuntu does, has a better chance to run the software

they want to run, has a better chance to support the computer/hardware

and has a better chance to support documents that they might interact

with.

 

 

 

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> Leythos wrote:

>> In article <fb6dh3$kjl$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>>> Call it what you want. If NoStop hadn't been "trolling" this newsgroup,

>>> I would have never heard of Ubuntu. I am thankful to him for sharing the

>>> great news.

>>

>> But Ubuntu is one of the worst distro's out, not supporting of nearly as

>> much hardware, and it has less technical support from "friends" than

>> Windows does.

>

> Vista supports all hardware? Oh, yeah, when it doesn't, it's the hardware

> manufacturer's fault for not providing drivers and legacy support for old

> hardware is practically nonexistent. Why doesn't the same apply to Ubuntu?

> Ubuntu supports all the hardware I have on three different computers. It

> also supports the hardware on dozens of computers that I or a friend of

> mine has installed Ubuntu on.

 

That is a really big sample.

I can find hardwrae not supported by Ubuntu if I want.. it doesn't really

prove anything other than there are more drivers on a SUSE dvd than on a

Ubuntu CD. Not really surprissing as it holds seven times the software (and

you wonder why its better than ubuntu?).

>

>> And there is also less program support than in Windows...

>

> Really? Please explain.

 

Nearly all the open source software is available for windows as well as

Linux.

Windows software is only available for windows.

Therefore there is more software available for windows than linux.

Availablity of software in general is a reason to chose windows not linux if

you think about it.

>> How are you going to feel when some ignorant person loads Ubuntu and then

>> can't work with people that have MS apps for documents?

>

> If one really needs MS apps, one can dual boot with XP, although most

> people don't need to do that.

 

That is correct most people can boot windows and most people do boot

windows.

Now if you can actually state something that you can do in linux that you

can't in windows and that is something people want to do you may be able to

sell linux.. until then you are just annoying.

"Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

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> Leythos wrote:

>> In article <fb6h8f$1ki$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>>> Leythos wrote:

>>>> In article <fb6dh3$kjl$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>>>>> Call it what you want. If NoStop hadn't been "trolling" this

>>>>> newsgroup, I would have never heard of Ubuntu. I am thankful to him

>>>>> for sharing the great news.

>>>> But Ubuntu is one of the worst distro's out, not supporting of nearly

>>>> as much hardware, and it has less technical support from "friends" than

>>>> Windows does.

>>> Vista supports all hardware? Oh, yeah, when it doesn't, it's the

>>> hardware manufacturer's fault for not providing drivers and legacy

>>> support for old hardware is practically nonexistent. Why doesn't the

>>> same apply to Ubuntu? Ubuntu supports all the hardware I have on three

>>> different computers. It also supports the hardware on dozens of

>>> computers that I or a friend of mine has installed Ubuntu on.

>>

>> Why doesn't Ubuntu support near the same amount - you preach that Ubuntu

>> is the savior of the world and yet it's very lacking in the basics.

>

> I installed Ubuntu on an old HP AMD 800 with 256 PC-100 RAM. Even XP won't

> run properly on that, much less Vista, but Ubuntu runs just fine on it,

> supporting ALL the hardware. Oops.

 

That is not the sort of hardware people with Vista have.

No one would argue that an old 386sx runs linux better than XP provided you

have enough ram.

But it is only good for the most basic tasks and none of the stuff like gimp

is going to be satisfactory.

You may even struggle with the basic windows and have to drop back to a more

basic windows manager too.

 

An 800mhz amd with 256M of RAM is getting well above basic.

I have designed (unix) systems running in telephone exchanges that ran/run

(there is an upgrade cycle going on ATM to replace them with some 2.4G

machines as they were the cheapest we could get) on less than that.

>>>> And there is also less program support than in Windows...

>>> Really? Please explain.

>>

>> Of them majority of programs that are common for most users that read

>> this group, Windows supports more of the apps that people are going to

>> interact with others with then does Ubuntu.

>

> Besides specialty apps like Auto Cad, what programs are you talking about?

>

>>

>>>> How are you going to feel when some ignorant person loads Ubuntu and

>>>> then can't work with people that have MS apps for documents?

>>> If one really needs MS apps, one can dual boot with XP, although most

>>> people don't need to do that.

>>

>> Yea, so Ubuntu is only good for email, web browsing, and using common

>> document formats that don't work well with people that interact with

>> anyone using MS Office, MS Works, or several other formats for documents.

>

> You're speaking about a very tiny minority of users. Your average computer

> user has no need for complicated MS Office files. AND, your average

> computer user is the one who usually gets compromised and added to a herd

> bot, not the users who use specialized programs that require a lot of

> technical know-how.

 

Your average computer user is going to want to play games..

End of ubuntu.

 

Even you can't live without windows.

bp wrote:

>

> "Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote:

>

>> If you wish, I can post all the links to your

>> previous posts a few months ago where

>> you yourself were asking a lot of questions

>> about installing Linux and expressed some of the difficulties

>> you encountered. Updates? There are now well over

>> 200 updates for Linux distros after the initial install.

>>

>> I don't think a rational person is going to chuck

>> Windows Vista (which they already paid for)

>> and install an alternative operating system that

>> may not be compatible with Windows-based

>> applications they already have.

>>

>> P.S. I assemble my own computers. However, I did purchase

>> recently a nice HP Pavilion (refurb) because many folks

>> also purchase HP PCs and visit the Vista newsgroups

>> asking questions regarding HP products. Also, it was quite

>> cost effective compared to purchasing the same components

>> individually.

>>

>> Can anyone today assemble a new PC with a modern ASUS MB,

>> AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 3800+ CPU, 1GB RAM,

>> 250GB Seagate SATA II HD designed w/Perpendicular Recording,

>> DVD writer w/Light Scribe, 9 in 1 memory reader, sleek new

>> case, power supply, keyboard, mouse, Roxio DVD writing software

>> and a full OEM version of Windows Vista Premium, for $369.00?

>>

>> Compared to the P4 3.0GHz computer I assembled your years ago

>> and upgraded considerably for a total of $850, this new

>> HP performs exceptionally faster and is virtually silent while

>> in operation.

>>

>> I have now installed a second SATA II hard drive and dual-boot with

>> Windows Vista Ultimate. I also installed another 1GB RAM

>> and a dedicated ATI Radeon HD 2600 PRO 512MB video card.

>> This HP Pavilion has had absolutely zero issues with Windows

>> Vista and I have now stopped using my old PC w/Windows XP.

>>

> SO WHAT WAS THE FINAL PRICE AFTER YOU PUT WHAT YOU REALLY WANTED IN IT?

> 369.00 sound pretty good though.

 

LOL! It costs almost as much as Vista!

>>

>> "Alias" wrote:

>> It takes under and hour to install Ubuntu with all the updates and

>> programs. The fact that the only way YOU know how to install an OS is to

>> buy it preinstalled, doesn't mean everyone is computer illiterate.

 

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In article <fb6lfq$gb1$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

> Leythos wrote:

> > In article <fb6i4k$4j6$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

> >> Leythos wrote:

> >>> In article <fb6h8f$1ki$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

> >>>> Leythos wrote:

> >>>>> In article <fb6dh3$kjl$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

> >>>>>> Call it what you want. If NoStop hadn't been "trolling" this newsgroup,

> >>>>>> I would have never heard of Ubuntu. I am thankful to him for sharing the

> >>>>>> great news.

> >>>>> But Ubuntu is one of the worst distro's out, not supporting of nearly as

> >>>>> much hardware, and it has less technical support from "friends" than

> >>>>> Windows does.

> >>>> Vista supports all hardware? Oh, yeah, when it doesn't, it's the

> >>>> hardware manufacturer's fault for not providing drivers and legacy

> >>>> support for old hardware is practically nonexistent. Why doesn't the

> >>>> same apply to Ubuntu? Ubuntu supports all the hardware I have on three

> >>>> different computers. It also supports the hardware on dozens of

> >>>> computers that I or a friend of mine has installed Ubuntu on.

> >>> Why doesn't Ubuntu support near the same amount - you preach that Ubuntu

> >>> is the savior of the world and yet it's very lacking in the basics.

> >> I installed Ubuntu on an old HP AMD 800 with 256 PC-100 RAM. Even XP

> >> won't run properly on that, much less Vista, but Ubuntu runs just fine

> >> on it, supporting ALL the hardware. Oops.

> >

> > I have 6 computers, Dell Optiplex 400Mhz (even before the P2 came out)

> > with 128MB RAM, 10GB drives, running XP Prof Sp2 and Office XP without

> > any problem, supporting all their hardware and printers... Guess you

> > don't know much about installing XP.

>

> LOL! Do you also like to watch paint dry?

 

You're showing how little you know about computers. While slow, they

serve a purpose and work well for people that can't afford computers. We

do a lot of charity work, these make good machines for people that can't

afford a computer.

> >>>>> And there is also less program support than in Windows...

> >>>> Really? Please explain.

> >>> Of them majority of programs that are common for most users that read

> >>> this group, Windows supports more of the apps that people are going to

> >>> interact with others with then does Ubuntu.

> >> Besides specialty apps like Auto Cad, what programs are you talking about?

> >

> > Come on, you've got to be kidding. There are many, don't play the game,

> > you know full well that most common apps that people use are not

> > supported on Ubuntu - and that goes for most common formats that are

> > used by their friends and co-workers.

>

> Name an app besides AutoCad and overly configured MS Office apps.

 

MS Works... Dream Weaver, Kids games..... Learning aids for school

kids...

> >>>>> How are you going to feel when some ignorant person loads Ubuntu and

> >>>>> then can't work with people that have MS apps for documents?

> >>>> If one really needs MS apps, one can dual boot with XP, although most

> >>>> people don't need to do that.

> >>> Yea, so Ubuntu is only good for email, web browsing, and using common

> >>> document formats that don't work well with people that interact with

> >>> anyone using MS Office, MS Works, or several other formats for

> >>> documents.

> >> You're speaking about a very tiny minority of users. Your average

> >> computer user has no need for complicated MS Office files. AND, your

> >> average computer user is the one who usually gets compromised and added

> >> to a herd bot, not the users who use specialized programs that require a

> >> lot of technical know-how.

> >

> > And you're speaking about a tiny OS, Ubuntu, that won't come with the

> > ability of users that have friends, existing documents, etc... that

> > won't be able to edit them in their native format, won't properly

> > convert them in many cases, etc...

>

> Bullsh¡t.

 

It's not BS, it's real and only a Zealot would not admit that documents

don't pass between OS/Platforms without reducing them to a least-common

(called Least features) format, which also means loss of formatting.

> > Strange, we just saw how a network administrator had compromised Ubuntu

> > machines because of a failure to understand security....

>

> One case, BFD.

 

But it shows that your security is no better if a Admin can cause

systems to be compromised.

> >>> So, you've indicated that Ubuntu is only good for limited users on

> >>> hardware that may or may not be supported.

> >> Like I said, Vista doesn't support all hardware because the drivers

> >> haven't been written or Vista is just too bloated to run on old

> >> hardware. If the hardware isn't compatible with Vista or Ubuntu, it's

> >> not Vista's nor Ubuntu's fault. If the people who only use a computer

> >> for email, surfing, IMing, an occasional .doc file and watching DVDs or

> >> listening to music, were to switch to Ubuntu, the Net would be a much

> >> safer place, herd bots would practically disappear and so would viral

> >> propagation. Hence, my "spamming" is a noble cause, your supercilious

> >> and arrogant attitude notwithstanding.

> >

> > Your spamming is nothing short of rude and filled with lies and half

> > truths.

>

> Stop lying, Leythos. Care to address the other points in the above

> paragraph of mine or is it that you just can't?

 

Already did - Ubuntu has less support than Windows, less drivers, less

document compatibility, less applications that most home users will

run...

> > And the point is that people can still buy XP installed systems, that

> > support more than Ubuntu does, has a better chance to run the software

> > they want to run, has a better chance to support the computer/hardware

> > and has a better chance to support documents that they might interact

> > with.

>

> And has a much better chance of becoming part of a herd bot, needs

> constant malware cleaning and, my friend, it isn't free, can only be

> installed on one computer, needs to go through the WPA and WGA hoops,

> etc., etc., etc.

 

Seems that Ubuntu allows knowledgeable users (Admins) to make their

machines bots too - better think about that serious weakness...

 

 

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dennis@home wrote:

 

<snip>

>>

>> Really? Please explain.

>

> Nearly all the open source software is available for windows as well as

> Linux.

> Windows software is only available for windows.

> Therefore there is more software available for windows than linux.

> Availablity of software in general is a reason to chose windows not linux

> if you think about it.

>

You can't just use a blanket statement like that, because whether Linux is a

good choice or not, should be based exclusively on the following factors:

 

1) If the software one requires IS available for Linux, then it doesn't

matter what isn't available. In other words, if Linux can work for someone

and fulfill his/her computing needs, then Linux is a sound choice.

 

2) After #1 has been met, the end-user should way the advantages of running

Linux over running Windows. Linux has proven to be a more stable and secure

operating system than Windows is. So if that is important to the end-user,

Linux is the obvious choice.

 

3) If the licensing requirements of Windows is too restrictive - example:

being able to run the OS on more than one computer in ones home or

business, is an issue - then Linux, without those restrictions is a good

choice.

 

4) If one has older hardware that can't run the latest and greatest from

Microsoft is an issue, then Linux has that covered very well. Linux is much

much less resource hungry than Windows. A 6 year old computer can run Linux

faster and with all the 3d bells and whistles (even more) that Vista

offers, then present hardware can run Vista. So if the user wants a really

responsive desktop operating system and keep getting use-value out of the

older hardware, Linux is the choice to make.

 

5) If one wants the additional power that Linux offers over Windows - such

as the ability to share resources with other computers - across the LAN or

the Internet - as if it was part of ones own desktop, then Linux is the

answer. Linux simply has networking down pat, compared to Windows. Linux is

also a true multi-user operating system, which Windows is not and that

offers many advantages to those of us that understand this and know how to

work with it.

 

6) If from an ideological point of view, one believes that corporate

domination on the desktop is not ones cup of tea, then going with Linux and

Open Source is the answer. Some of us are truly concerned about the

monopolistic practises of the likes of Microsoft is a danger to society at

large. We are opposed to the whole concept of things like DRM and IP

(intellectual property) rights in the software world. Linux, frees us from

all that.

 

7) Linux in recent years has moved from the world of geeks only, to easy for

the ordinary user. Installing Linux now, is easier than installing Windows.

Linux has been leading the way in terms of innovation. All this makes Linux

on the desktop a viable alternative for those who want to move to an

alternative FREE operating system.

 

8) For those users who can't live without #1 above and need to run Windows

software where no Linux alternative exists, this is easy to do. Linux

distros like Ubuntu make setting up dualboot with XP so easy, it's a no

brainer. So the end-user can always boot into Windows to run the odd

software package that one can't get access to in Linux. Free software like

VMPlayer allows one to run XP in a window on the Linux desktop, again

giving users access to software that won't run natively under Linux.

 

So, if you really think about it ... running Linux (with or without

Windows), is the perfect fit for many millions of users that do just that.

Linux is all about choices and you should be glad that such an alternative

is available for those of us that choose to use it, instead of making it

only a Windows or Linux competition.

 

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