Alias wrote:

 

> Most people have no need for fancy dancy Word .docs and for some reason

> you're afraid to send me one. So, are you lying, don't know how to

> create a fancy dancy Word .doc or what?

>

> Put your money where your mouth is or STFU.

>

hehehe...sorry you linux lying idiot of a moron. Anyone in any REAL

business who has to deal with documents that contain a complex mix of

formats knows that if they were created in Microsoft Office the odds are

great that other available Office software, i.e., WordPerfect,

OpenOffice, etc will not keep the format when they convert the document.

That is common knowledge. Everyone with heavy document usage experience

knows that to be true. That is why those who don't have MS Office will

most times have the free Office readers installed. That says nothing

about the new Office 2007 document format, .docx. I haven't tried to

cross platform it...I don't really care...but I bet the odds are

formatting will again be lost.

You need to accept when you are wrong and stop the whining like a little

baby.

Frank

Frank wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>

>

>> Most people have no need for fancy dancy Word .docs and for some

>> reason you're afraid to send me one. So, are you lying, don't know how

>> to create a fancy dancy Word .doc or what?

>>

>> Put your money where your mouth is or STFU.

>>

> hehehe...sorry you linux lying idiot of a moron. Anyone in any REAL

> business who has to deal with documents that contain a complex mix of

> formats knows that if they were created in Microsoft Office the odds are

> great that other available Office software, i.e., WordPerfect,

> OpenOffice, etc will not keep the format when they convert the document.

> That is common knowledge. Everyone with heavy document usage experience

> knows that to be true. That is why those who don't have MS Office will

> most times have the free Office readers installed. That says nothing

> about the new Office 2007 document format, .docx. I haven't tried to

> cross platform it...I don't really care...but I bet the odds are

> formatting will again be lost.

> You need to accept when you are wrong and stop the whining like a little

> baby.

> Frank

 

It doesn't affect me one iota and doesn't affect most users that

Microsoft has included yet another feature to attempt to keep MS Office

as the standard. Perhaps if enough people dumped MS Office, they would

learn. You, of course, wouldn't be one of those people because you have

your head firmly stuck up Redmond's a$$ and you think they can do no wrong.

 

So, basically, what you're saying is the MS Office apps have no

compatibility with anything but Office and that you like that crap.

 

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Alias wrote:

 

>>

>

> Ubuntu is BETTER than Windows because:

>

> 1. It's free

>

Wrong! It may not cost $'s up front, but everything always cost in one

way or another.

> 2. Not nearly as virus and malware prone.

 

Wrong! Don't even try an push that lying line again!

>

> 3. The desktop can be configured in many more ways than Windows can and

> you have more than one desktop. I have four.

 

You obviously know nothing at all about Windows or how to use it.

>

> 4. It comes with over 21,000 free programs. Windows comes with NONE.

 

Most of those (you counted them correct?) programs are totally

worthless. But you like that "free" thing don't you?

>

> 5. No activation or WGA CRAP.

 

That seems to only be a problems for a few...like you. But not to worry

as activation is well under way for lots and lots of different software

from many different companies.

>

> 6. It doesn't need Ninja hardware like Vista does.

 

Humm...I don't have any "ninja" hardware and have no idea what that is.

>

> 7. You don't need to get another Ubuntu CD to install it in any language

> you desire.

 

Strange...I've got many different languages on my Windows CD...I guess

you missed that one too huh?

>

> 8. It's much more stable than Windows.

 

hehehe...really wrong! That's simply not true since Win2K.

>

> 9. It never needs a defrag or clean up.

 

Wrong! Again, simply not true. You're only fooling yourself if you

believe that one.

I see you've not learned anything at all over the last few months from

many of us who have constantly complained to you about your incessant

lying in this ng.

I guess that positively makes you a pathological liar.

You're hopeless...which kind of goes with your philosophical outlook (no

hope) on life seeing as how you're an atheist.

Frank

 

>

Alias wrote:

> Leythos wrote:

>

>> In article <fbjrkl$3s1$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>>

>>> Not so anymore. Most people use consoles to play games as they are

>>> cheaper than high end graphics cards and the "new thing". Do you

>>> think that Redmond made the XBox because they thought that gaming was

>>> only for Windows computers?

>>

>>

>> At least 99% of the computers I see in homes also have at least 2

>> online, FPS games, most have 3-5. There are markets, you just don't

>> understand needs, that's why you fail to understand that Ubuntu is

>> just a hobby platform that doesn't do what people need in the majority

>> of cases.

>>

>

> Well, a friend of mine and I have convinced dozens of Windows users to

> become Ubuntu users and you have convinced zero Ubuntu users to switch

> to Windows. ALL of them, without exception, tell us they are much

> happier with Ubuntu than Windows. For the few who did games, we set up a

> dual boot with XP. Most don't do games.

>

 

 

hahaha...game over alias! Leythos has nailed your stupid ass really good

so many times you'll proly sink if you were to go swimming...hahaha...lol!!

You lose...and you're a lyin lovin linux loser (I lov that line don't

you?), now live with it.

Frank

In article <fbjtgk$968$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

> Leythos wrote:

> > In article <fbjrkl$3s1$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

> >> Not so anymore. Most people use consoles to play games as they are

> >> cheaper than high end graphics cards and the "new thing". Do you think

> >> that Redmond made the XBox because they thought that gaming was only for

> >> Windows computers?

> >

> > At least 99% of the computers I see in homes also have at least 2

> > online, FPS games, most have 3-5. There are markets, you just don't

> > understand needs, that's why you fail to understand that Ubuntu is just

> > a hobby platform that doesn't do what people need in the majority of

> > cases.

> >

>

> Well, a friend of mine and I have convinced dozens of Windows users to

> become Ubuntu users and you have convinced zero Ubuntu users to switch

> to Windows. ALL of them, without exception, tell us they are much

> happier with Ubuntu than Windows. For the few who did games, we set up a

> dual boot with XP. Most don't do games.

 

And most of those Ubuntu users would not be doing more than

email/browsing or the limited other functions.

 

I never said that Ubuntu would not satisfy the needs of the limited

user, only that if you're going to keep using XP there is no reason to

go through the trouble of having an alternative OS to mess with.

 

And, you've proven that there is a few exceptions to every case, but

we're talking MOST HOME users, and you still rant that Ubuntu is the

solution to Windows without telling them about the limitations - the

entire issue with you is your lie that Ubuntu is a replacement for

Windows, and yet you keep running Windows...

 

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- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.

- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a

drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"

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In article <fbju5r$b2m$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

[snipped your crap that wasn't worth playing your trolling]

> Actually, Windows is a pain to maintain in comparison, virus prone, etc.

> but the main reason I switched was WPA and WGA. Now that I've used it

> for awhile, I like it better.

 

Actually, take my own home, a BUNCH of computers, nothing to do, runs

well for years, no "pain", easy updates for all apps, smooth, plays

games and every other app I want to run.... Oh, and my kids love it

because it works with what they have at school.

 

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- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.

- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a

drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"

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On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 10:09:36 -0700, Frank <fb@nospan.crm> wrote:

>Alias wrote:

>

>> Leythos wrote:

>>

>>> In article <fbjrkl$3s1$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>>>

>>>> Not so anymore. Most people use consoles to play games as they are

>>>> cheaper than high end graphics cards and the "new thing". Do you

>>>> think that Redmond made the XBox because they thought that gaming was

>>>> only for Windows computers?

>>>

>>>

>>> At least 99% of the computers I see in homes also have at least 2

>>> online, FPS games, most have 3-5. There are markets, you just don't

>>> understand needs, that's why you fail to understand that Ubuntu is

>>> just a hobby platform that doesn't do what people need in the majority

>>> of cases.

>>>

>>

>> Well, a friend of mine and I have convinced dozens of Windows users to

>> become Ubuntu users and you have convinced zero Ubuntu users to switch

>> to Windows. ALL of them, without exception, tell us they are much

>> happier with Ubuntu than Windows. For the few who did games, we set up a

>> dual boot with XP. Most don't do games.

>>

>

>

>hahaha...game over alias! Leythos has nailed your stupid ass really good

>so many times you'll proly sink if you were to go swimming...hahaha...lol!!

>You lose...and you're a lyin lovin linux loser (I lov that line don't

>you?), now live with it.

>Frank

 

Hey Frank, is your real name Steve Ballmer? That's about the only

plausible reason anybody would so blindly defend Microsoft and we've

all seen Ballmer going ape. So I was wondering since you always act

like an ass and we've seen Ballmer acting like an ass, could it be?

Leythos wrote:

> In article <fbju5r$b2m$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

> [snipped your crap that wasn't worth playing your trolling]

>> Actually, Windows is a pain to maintain in comparison, virus prone, etc.

>> but the main reason I switched was WPA and WGA. Now that I've used it

>> for awhile, I like it better.

>

> Actually, take my own home, a BUNCH of computers, nothing to do, runs

> well for years, no "pain", easy updates for all apps, smooth, plays

> games and every other app I want to run.... Oh, and my kids love it

> because it works with what they have at school.

>

 

It's likely that Office 2007 doesn't work with their school.

 

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Leythos wrote:

> In article <fbjg3s$cn$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>> Leythos wrote:

>>> In article <fbgia1$q8q$2@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>>>> Leythos wrote:

>>>>> In article <uBcoTRX7HHA.5012@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>,

>>>>> iamalias@shoesgmail.com. says...

>>>>>> So, once again, it's a indisputable fact that WPA and WGA do NOTHING to

>>>>>> stop piracy and ONLY inconvenience paying customers. Live with it. Oh, I

>>>>>> forgot, you LIKE living with it :-)

>>>>> Wrong, it stopped Piracy, once the pirate was exposed the police were

>>>>> able to stop him - without WPA/WGA it would never have been stopped.

>>>>>

>>>> Does this mean you are conceding all the other points I made that you

>>>> snipped? One case where WGA worked does not stop piracy. Piracy is more

>>>> rampant now than it was ten years ago.

>>> No, I snipped what wasn't needed - WGA and WPA does work, just not a

>>> complete solution, but it does stop piracy in many cases.

>>>

>> It inconveniences paying customers MUCH more, MILLIONS more, times than

>> it catches any pirates.

>>

>> What costs more, the bad PR due to this crap and all the activation

>> seats in India and Morocco or the so-called money lost due to piracy?

>> The former, of course, when you consider that most people are honest and

>> most people buy Windows with a computer, preinstalled.

>>

>> I see post after post on the Ubuntu newsgroup and other forums of people

>> who switched *specifically* because they are sick and tired of having to

>> report to Redmond every time they reinstall Windows or upgrade some

>> hardware.

>

> And those people can't give one example where they were unable to do

> anything legal/ethical on their Windows PC's.

 

Tell that to the 12,000 plus people who had problems while the MS

WPA/WGA servers were down.

>

> The perception of being a thief is completely based in truth created by

> people like you.

>

> Complain all you like, your only point is that you don't like it because

> you don't.

>

 

 

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Leythos wrote:

> In article <fbjhng$58h$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>> Leythos wrote:

>>> In article <fbjg3s$cn$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>>>> Leythos wrote:

>>>>> In article <fbgia1$q8q$2@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>>>>>> Leythos wrote:

>>>>>>> In article <uBcoTRX7HHA.5012@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>,

>>>>>>> iamalias@shoesgmail.com. says...

>>>>>>>> So, once again, it's a indisputable fact that WPA and WGA do NOTHING to

>>>>>>>> stop piracy and ONLY inconvenience paying customers. Live with it. Oh, I

>>>>>>>> forgot, you LIKE living with it :-)

>>>>>>> Wrong, it stopped Piracy, once the pirate was exposed the police were

>>>>>>> able to stop him - without WPA/WGA it would never have been stopped.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>> Does this mean you are conceding all the other points I made that you

>>>>>> snipped? One case where WGA worked does not stop piracy. Piracy is more

>>>>>> rampant now than it was ten years ago.

>>>>> No, I snipped what wasn't needed - WGA and WPA does work, just not a

>>>>> complete solution, but it does stop piracy in many cases.

>>>>>

>>>> It inconveniences paying customers MUCH more, MILLIONS more, times than

>>>> it catches any pirates.

>> No answer from Leythos. Everyone act surprised.

>

> None needed, already dismissed as FUD from the kook group.

 

i.e., I don't have a real answer so I'm blustering instead.

 

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Alias wrote:

> Leythos wrote:

>> In article <fbjgh0$1ar$2@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>>> Leythos wrote:

>>>> In article <fbjfoj$ugb$2@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>>>>> Leythos wrote:

>>>>>> In article <fbghi7$nkf$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>>>>>>> Leythos wrote:

>>>>>>>> In article <uFT77KX7HHA.464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>,

>>>>>>>> iamalias@shoesgmail.com. says...

>>>>>>>>> Just curious, why do you object to my using both systems, other

>>>>>>>>> than your obsession with trying to oneupmanship me? I may buy a

>>>>>>>>> Mac just to see how it is. Would that bother you too?

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> I have never advised someone to switch to Ubuntu to play games.

>>>>>>>>> I have advised it for safer surfing, no need for ninja

>>>>>>>>> hardware, etc,, but not for gaming.

>>>>>>>> I don't object to you using windows - I object to your BS mantra

>>>>>>>> that Ubuntu does what most people need and they won't need

>>>>>>>> windows - that it solves their problems....

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Clearly, just about any home with a computer also has at least

>>>>>>>> one game on it, other than what was included, and that means

>>>>>>>> that any home with kids in their teens, well, they just need

>>>>>>>> Windows to play those games.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Now, while Ubuntu is a good BOX for browsing, email, and some

>>>>>>>> other common things, it does not give your average home with

>>>>>>>> kids what they need.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> You seem to think that Mom and Dad are going to be able to

>>>>>>>> manage a Dual Boot system when they don't need to, they just

>>>>>>>> need Windows and a little education. As was already proven, a

>>>>>>>> stupid Administrator, someone that should know better,

>>>>>>>> compromised their Ubuntu installation - so it appears that all

>>>>>>>> OS's need to have trained users.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Now, you can preach that Ubuntu is for the masses, but it fails

>>>>>>>> the one task - being a full replacement for something that

>>>>>>>> already works.

>>>>>>> Speaking of kids, a friend of mine just brought over a Windows XP

>>>>>>> computer that her grandchild uses and it's, you guessed it, fully

>>>>>>> infected. Had the kid been using Ubuntu, there would be no

>>>>>>> infections and she wouldn't have to pay me to clean up the

>>>>>>> computer. Ubuntu is going on this machine and, being as the kid

>>>>>>> doesn't have any Windows games or any need for fancy dancy Word

>>>>>>> docs, no Windows.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> The neighbor upstairs also has a fully infected XP machine. So

>>>>>>> infected, the AV was disabled, along with Spybot, Windows

>>>>>>> firewall and Spywareguard. He is converting to an Ubuntu only

>>>>>>> machine because he doesn't play games or have any need for fancy

>>>>>>> dancy Office files.

>>>>>> If if they had been using Ubuntu they would not have been able to

>>>>>> play games or run some of the programs they most likely did.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Infected machines are infected for the same reason that the Ubuntu

>>>>>> install was compromised - STUPID PEOPLE. The idea of compromised

>>>>>> machines and securing them has been around for DECADES. Ways to

>>>>>> protect windows machines have been public for DECADES, and they

>>>>>> work fine.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Every time I hear about a compromised machines, it's always

>>>>>> because of a STUPID USER - there are zillions of sites telling

>>>>>> users how to secure their machines and yet they ignore them, even

>>>>>> when they listen to radio/tv/printed news, they still ignore

>>>>>> them.... Much the same thing happened with the Admin did something

>>>>>> stupid that compromised his Ubuntu machine....

>>>>>>

>>>>>> So, since your neighbors kids won't be able to play most of the

>>>>>> popular games it's a good bet that if you put Ubuntu on their

>>>>>> computers that they will be back in short order to get Windows

>>>>>> reinstalled.

>>>>>>

>>>>> You don't know what the kid downloaded. The kid is eight and there

>>>>> are plenty of games that come with Ubuntu that he will just love.

>>>> And you've not shown one valid reason to drop Windows for Ubuntu for

>>>> the typical home/family user - and have shown that Ubuntu is not the

>>>> solution for anyone wanting to run popular games.

>>>>

>>>>> Oh, and it isn't "stupid" people but people who don't know any better.

>>>> Yea, it is, stupid is simple, and there are a lot of Stupid people

>>>> at all levels, even network admins are stupid at times, some are

>>>> terminally stupid all the time.

>>>>

>>> What a stupid thing to say.

>>

>> LOL - Except that it's 100% true. The only people that still get their

>> computers compromised are the "Stupid" ones. The information on how to

>> start-up a new PC, how to protect it from malware, etc... has been

>> around, on thousands of sites, in the news print, on TV, from friends,

>> for decades - the only excuse for a compromised machine is being stupid.

>>

>

> The word you want is "ignorant" because they don't know any better. Just

> because someone's intelligent doesn't mean they are aware of everything.

>

 

Or nieve mabey?

 

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The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'

wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>> Leythos wrote:

>>> In article <fbjgh0$1ar$2@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>>>> Leythos wrote:

>>>>> In article <fbjfoj$ugb$2@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>>>>>> Leythos wrote:

>>>>>>> In article <fbghi7$nkf$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>>>>>>>> Leythos wrote:

>>>>>>>>> In article <uFT77KX7HHA.464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>,

>>>>>>>>> iamalias@shoesgmail.com. says...

>>>>>>>>>> Just curious, why do you object to my using both systems,

>>>>>>>>>> other than your obsession with trying to oneupmanship me? I

>>>>>>>>>> may buy a Mac just to see how it is. Would that bother you too?

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> I have never advised someone to switch to Ubuntu to play

>>>>>>>>>> games. I have advised it for safer surfing, no need for ninja

>>>>>>>>>> hardware, etc,, but not for gaming.

>>>>>>>>> I don't object to you using windows - I object to your BS

>>>>>>>>> mantra that Ubuntu does what most people need and they won't

>>>>>>>>> need windows - that it solves their problems....

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Clearly, just about any home with a computer also has at least

>>>>>>>>> one game on it, other than what was included, and that means

>>>>>>>>> that any home with kids in their teens, well, they just need

>>>>>>>>> Windows to play those games.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Now, while Ubuntu is a good BOX for browsing, email, and some

>>>>>>>>> other common things, it does not give your average home with

>>>>>>>>> kids what they need.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> You seem to think that Mom and Dad are going to be able to

>>>>>>>>> manage a Dual Boot system when they don't need to, they just

>>>>>>>>> need Windows and a little education. As was already proven, a

>>>>>>>>> stupid Administrator, someone that should know better,

>>>>>>>>> compromised their Ubuntu installation - so it appears that all

>>>>>>>>> OS's need to have trained users.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Now, you can preach that Ubuntu is for the masses, but it fails

>>>>>>>>> the one task - being a full replacement for something that

>>>>>>>>> already works.

>>>>>>>> Speaking of kids, a friend of mine just brought over a Windows

>>>>>>>> XP computer that her grandchild uses and it's, you guessed it,

>>>>>>>> fully infected. Had the kid been using Ubuntu, there would be no

>>>>>>>> infections and she wouldn't have to pay me to clean up the

>>>>>>>> computer. Ubuntu is going on this machine and, being as the kid

>>>>>>>> doesn't have any Windows games or any need for fancy dancy Word

>>>>>>>> docs, no Windows.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> The neighbor upstairs also has a fully infected XP machine. So

>>>>>>>> infected, the AV was disabled, along with Spybot, Windows

>>>>>>>> firewall and Spywareguard. He is converting to an Ubuntu only

>>>>>>>> machine because he doesn't play games or have any need for fancy

>>>>>>>> dancy Office files.

>>>>>>> If if they had been using Ubuntu they would not have been able to

>>>>>>> play games or run some of the programs they most likely did.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Infected machines are infected for the same reason that the

>>>>>>> Ubuntu install was compromised - STUPID PEOPLE. The idea of

>>>>>>> compromised machines and securing them has been around for

>>>>>>> DECADES. Ways to protect windows machines have been public for

>>>>>>> DECADES, and they work fine.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Every time I hear about a compromised machines, it's always

>>>>>>> because of a STUPID USER - there are zillions of sites telling

>>>>>>> users how to secure their machines and yet they ignore them, even

>>>>>>> when they listen to radio/tv/printed news, they still ignore

>>>>>>> them.... Much the same thing happened with the Admin did

>>>>>>> something stupid that compromised his Ubuntu machine....

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> So, since your neighbors kids won't be able to play most of the

>>>>>>> popular games it's a good bet that if you put Ubuntu on their

>>>>>>> computers that they will be back in short order to get Windows

>>>>>>> reinstalled.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>> You don't know what the kid downloaded. The kid is eight and there

>>>>>> are plenty of games that come with Ubuntu that he will just love.

>>>>> And you've not shown one valid reason to drop Windows for Ubuntu

>>>>> for the typical home/family user - and have shown that Ubuntu is

>>>>> not the solution for anyone wanting to run popular games.

>>>>>

>>>>>> Oh, and it isn't "stupid" people but people who don't know any

>>>>>> better.

>>>>> Yea, it is, stupid is simple, and there are a lot of Stupid people

>>>>> at all levels, even network admins are stupid at times, some are

>>>>> terminally stupid all the time.

>>>>>

>>>> What a stupid thing to say.

>>>

>>> LOL - Except that it's 100% true. The only people that still get

>>> their computers compromised are the "Stupid" ones. The information on

>>> how to start-up a new PC, how to protect it from malware, etc... has

>>> been around, on thousands of sites, in the news print, on TV, from

>>> friends, for decades - the only excuse for a compromised machine is

>>> being stupid.

>>>

>>

>> The word you want is "ignorant" because they don't know any better.

>> Just because someone's intelligent doesn't mean they are aware of

>> everything.

>>

>

> Or nieve mabey?

>

 

Naive is another good way to put it, but not stupid.

 

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Alias wrote:

> The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'

> wrote:

>> Alias wrote:

>>> Leythos wrote:

>>>> In article <fbjgh0$1ar$2@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>>>>> Leythos wrote:

>>>>>> In article <fbjfoj$ugb$2@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>>>>>>> Leythos wrote:

>>>>>>>> In article <fbghi7$nkf$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>>>>>>>>> Leythos wrote:

>>>>>>>>>> In article <uFT77KX7HHA.464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>,

>>>>>>>>>> iamalias@shoesgmail.com. says...

>>>>>>>>>>> Just curious, why do you object to my using both systems,

>>>>>>>>>>> other than your obsession with trying to oneupmanship me? I

>>>>>>>>>>> may buy a Mac just to see how it is. Would that bother you too?

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> I have never advised someone to switch to Ubuntu to play

>>>>>>>>>>> games. I have advised it for safer surfing, no need for ninja

>>>>>>>>>>> hardware, etc,, but not for gaming.

>>>>>>>>>> I don't object to you using windows - I object to your BS

>>>>>>>>>> mantra that Ubuntu does what most people need and they won't

>>>>>>>>>> need windows - that it solves their problems....

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Clearly, just about any home with a computer also has at least

>>>>>>>>>> one game on it, other than what was included, and that means

>>>>>>>>>> that any home with kids in their teens, well, they just need

>>>>>>>>>> Windows to play those games.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Now, while Ubuntu is a good BOX for browsing, email, and some

>>>>>>>>>> other common things, it does not give your average home with

>>>>>>>>>> kids what they need.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> You seem to think that Mom and Dad are going to be able to

>>>>>>>>>> manage a Dual Boot system when they don't need to, they just

>>>>>>>>>> need Windows and a little education. As was already proven, a

>>>>>>>>>> stupid Administrator, someone that should know better,

>>>>>>>>>> compromised their Ubuntu installation - so it appears that all

>>>>>>>>>> OS's need to have trained users.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Now, you can preach that Ubuntu is for the masses, but it

>>>>>>>>>> fails the one task - being a full replacement for something

>>>>>>>>>> that already works.

>>>>>>>>> Speaking of kids, a friend of mine just brought over a Windows

>>>>>>>>> XP computer that her grandchild uses and it's, you guessed it,

>>>>>>>>> fully infected. Had the kid been using Ubuntu, there would be

>>>>>>>>> no infections and she wouldn't have to pay me to clean up the

>>>>>>>>> computer. Ubuntu is going on this machine and, being as the kid

>>>>>>>>> doesn't have any Windows games or any need for fancy dancy Word

>>>>>>>>> docs, no Windows.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> The neighbor upstairs also has a fully infected XP machine. So

>>>>>>>>> infected, the AV was disabled, along with Spybot, Windows

>>>>>>>>> firewall and Spywareguard. He is converting to an Ubuntu only

>>>>>>>>> machine because he doesn't play games or have any need for

>>>>>>>>> fancy dancy Office files.

>>>>>>>> If if they had been using Ubuntu they would not have been able

>>>>>>>> to play games or run some of the programs they most likely did.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Infected machines are infected for the same reason that the

>>>>>>>> Ubuntu install was compromised - STUPID PEOPLE. The idea of

>>>>>>>> compromised machines and securing them has been around for

>>>>>>>> DECADES. Ways to protect windows machines have been public for

>>>>>>>> DECADES, and they work fine.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Every time I hear about a compromised machines, it's always

>>>>>>>> because of a STUPID USER - there are zillions of sites telling

>>>>>>>> users how to secure their machines and yet they ignore them,

>>>>>>>> even when they listen to radio/tv/printed news, they still

>>>>>>>> ignore them.... Much the same thing happened with the Admin did

>>>>>>>> something stupid that compromised his Ubuntu machine....

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> So, since your neighbors kids won't be able to play most of the

>>>>>>>> popular games it's a good bet that if you put Ubuntu on their

>>>>>>>> computers that they will be back in short order to get Windows

>>>>>>>> reinstalled.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> You don't know what the kid downloaded. The kid is eight and

>>>>>>> there are plenty of games that come with Ubuntu that he will just

>>>>>>> love.

>>>>>> And you've not shown one valid reason to drop Windows for Ubuntu

>>>>>> for the typical home/family user - and have shown that Ubuntu is

>>>>>> not the solution for anyone wanting to run popular games.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Oh, and it isn't "stupid" people but people who don't know any

>>>>>>> better.

>>>>>> Yea, it is, stupid is simple, and there are a lot of Stupid people

>>>>>> at all levels, even network admins are stupid at times, some are

>>>>>> terminally stupid all the time.

>>>>>>

>>>>> What a stupid thing to say.

>>>>

>>>> LOL - Except that it's 100% true. The only people that still get

>>>> their computers compromised are the "Stupid" ones. The information

>>>> on how to start-up a new PC, how to protect it from malware, etc...

>>>> has been around, on thousands of sites, in the news print, on TV,

>>>> from friends, for decades - the only excuse for a compromised

>>>> machine is being stupid.

>>>>

>>>

>>> The word you want is "ignorant" because they don't know any better.

>>> Just because someone's intelligent doesn't mean they are aware of

>>> everything.

>>>

>>

>> Or nieve mabey?

>>

>

> Naive is another good way to put it, but not stupid.

>

 

Agreed. Leythos is just a moron projecting diseases and unsavory IQ

accusations upon others because he is so unhappy.

 

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> I told you I did it and the word .doc worked just fine with Ubuntu. You

> say that it won't and that you know some fancy dancy high tech way of

> creating Word .docs that won't work with Ubuntu. Put your money where your

> mouth is or STFU about it.

 

Put some VBA macros and stuff like that in it and see how far you get.

Even some embedded spreadsheets would probably be enough.

Alias wrote:

>

> It's likely that Office 2007 doesn't work with their school.

 

Why would that "be likely"?

Frank

Frank wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>

>>

>> It's likely that Office 2007 doesn't work with their school.

>

> Why would that "be likely"?

> Frank

 

Because of something you don't have: common sense.

 

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Alias wrote:

> Frank wrote:

>

>> Alias wrote:

>>

>>>

>>> It's likely that Office 2007 doesn't work with their school.

>>

>>

>> Why would that "be likely"?

>> Frank

>

>

> Because of something you don't have: common sense.

>

 

Fukk!!!

That is the most outrageously remark I've ever heard form you (well, to

date anyway).

You my friend, are totally devoid of any semblance of "common sense",

which, btw, is not at all common.

Frank

"Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

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>

> The word you want is "ignorant" because they don't know any better. Just

> because someone's intelligent doesn't mean they are aware of everything.

>

 

What is the word when someone is not ignorant of the facts but still pushes

it to everyone and anyone without any thought as to if it will do what they

need?

Stupid and malicious are a couple that spring to mind.

I suppose that the PC people would classify you as learning deficient as it

hasn't sunk in yet and doesn't look like it will.

"Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

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> Most users think they have a solution because their computer came bundled

> with McAfee or Norton. Most users do not read these groups or any other

> technical web sites. Just because they are not spending their time

> researching how to maintain a computer, doesn't mean they're stupid. It

> means they have better things to do. With Ubuntu, there is no need to do

> this research because it's, compared to Windows, practically bullet proof.

 

However as you have been told in the past it is *not* bullet proof and you

have only your own ignorance if you do not research it and find out why many

people are telling you that you are *wrong*.

The last time I looked there were tens of unfixed vulnerabilities in Ubuntu,

probably more than in Vista.

If you haven't been exploited with an attitude like yours it will be more

luck than skill.

 

You had best use Google to find how to check your box for exploits and see

if you need to fix them.

 

In the mean time I suggest that less knowledgeable users than yourself would

be better off using some of the better security tools on windows as they do

the work you will have to do manually if you want to be certain you have not

been compromised.

 

BTW you are running a separate hardware based firewall with logging so you

can easily check for exploits running on your machines or do you plan on

doing it the hard way?

"Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

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> Leythos wrote:

>> In article <fbjg3s$cn$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>>> Leythos wrote:

>>>> In article <fbgia1$q8q$2@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>>>>> Leythos wrote:

>>>>>> In article <uBcoTRX7HHA.5012@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>,

>>>>>> iamalias@shoesgmail.com. says...

>>>>>>> So, once again, it's a indisputable fact that WPA and WGA do NOTHING

>>>>>>> to stop piracy and ONLY inconvenience paying customers. Live with

>>>>>>> it. Oh, I forgot, you LIKE living with it :-)

>>>>>> Wrong, it stopped Piracy, once the pirate was exposed the police were

>>>>>> able to stop him - without WPA/WGA it would never have been stopped.

>>>>>>

>>>>> Does this mean you are conceding all the other points I made that you

>>>>> snipped? One case where WGA worked does not stop piracy. Piracy is

>>>>> more rampant now than it was ten years ago.

>>>> No, I snipped what wasn't needed - WGA and WPA does work, just not a

>>>> complete solution, but it does stop piracy in many cases.

>>>>

>>> It inconveniences paying customers MUCH more, MILLIONS more, times than

>>> it catches any pirates.

>

> No answer from Leythos. Everyone act surprised.

 

I expect more people are surprised by you..

Piracy does happen.. I have been offered M$ office preinstalled for £10 on a

system I was buying.

Do you think it was a real copy for that price?

Maybe they thought I was a crook because I didn't want windows on it?

 

Probably unlike many of the buyers of Dell linux systems who then put a

dodgy version of windows on them I really did want it for Unix and its

probably still running it now (it was sold on so I don't know).

 

You fail to tell people that nearly all Linux downloads and installs are

abandoned.. you really should tell these "ignorant" users that you are

informing about Ubuntu that most people give up just so they know it may be

a waste of time.

 

8<

 

> The LAST thing I need when a NIC isn't behaving properly is to have to

> activate FOUR bloody times and then have to call Morocco in order to use

> MY computer. When that happened, I made the decision to learn Ubuntu and I

> found out about Ubuntu on this very news group. Yeah, you're right I don't

> like it and I am not alone. Only logic impaired fools like you accept it

> as "normal".

 

So you get a duff NIC and everything is windows fault.

"Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

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> ONE thing: gaming.

>

 

It only takes one thing.. in your case it is games.. you still don't advise

the "ignorant" potential Ubuntu users that it may not, no probably will not

do everything they want. They find out just after Ubuntu has deleted windows

and their recovery partition. I expect your advice has cost people money and

you are lucky they don't try and get it back from you.

"Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

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> Well, a friend of mine and I have convinced dozens of Windows users to

> become Ubuntu users and you have convinced zero Ubuntu users to switch to

> Windows. ALL of them, without exception, tell us they are much happier

> with Ubuntu than Windows. For the few who did games, we set up a dual boot

> with XP. Most don't do games.

 

 

You need to do some research so you aren't so ignorant.. hint.. most Linux

installs are abandoned.

Frank wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>> Frank wrote:

>>

>>> Alias wrote:

>>>

>>>>

>>>> It's likely that Office 2007 doesn't work with their school.

>>>

>>>

>>> Why would that "be likely"?

>>> Frank

>>

>>

>> Because of something you don't have: common sense.

>>

>

> Fukk!!!

 

No thanks.

> That is the most outrageously remark I've ever heard form you (well, to

> date anyway).

 

Make your day_

> You my friend, are totally devoid of any semblance of "common sense",

 

LOL! This from Mr Lies, Insults and Bluster.

> which, btw, is not at all common.

> Frank

 

When you decide to stop using worn out clichés, let me know.

 

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dennis@home wrote:

>

> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

> news:fbjrdg$316$1@aioe.org...

>

>> Most users think they have a solution because their computer came

>> bundled with McAfee or Norton. Most users do not read these groups or

>> any other technical web sites. Just because they are not spending

>> their time researching how to maintain a computer, doesn't mean

>> they're stupid. It means they have better things to do. With Ubuntu,

>> there is no need to do this research because it's, compared to

>> Windows, practically bullet proof.

>

> However as you have been told in the past it is *not* bullet proof and

> you have only your own ignorance if you do not research it and find out

> why many people are telling you that you are *wrong*.

 

Reading comprehension problem? I wrote: "practically bullet proof".

> The last time I looked there were tens of unfixed vulnerabilities in

> Ubuntu, probably more than in Vista.

 

Keep telling yourself that lie.

> If you haven't been exploited with an attitude like yours it will be

> more luck than skill.

 

Ah, the unfounded insult. Can't you do better than that?

>

> You had best use Google to find how to check your box for exploits and

> see if you need to fix them.

 

No need to Google as I already know how.

>

> In the mean time I suggest that less knowledgeable users than yourself

> would be better off using some of the better security tools on windows

> as they do the work you will have to do manually if you want to be

> certain you have not been compromised.

 

Sure, pull the other one, it has bells on it.

>

> BTW you are running a separate hardware based firewall with logging so

> you can easily check for exploits running on your machines or do you

> plan on doing it the hard way?

 

I can see you don't understand the architecture of Linux. Try Google.

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dennis@home wrote:

>

> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

> news:fbjilc$91f$1@aioe.org...

>

>>

>> The word you want is "ignorant" because they don't know any better.

>> Just because someone's intelligent doesn't mean they are aware of

>> everything.

>>

>

> What is the word when someone is not ignorant of the facts but still

> pushes it to everyone and anyone without any thought as to if it will do

> what they need?

> Stupid and malicious are a couple that spring to mind.

> I suppose that the PC people would classify you as learning deficient as

> it hasn't sunk in yet and doesn't look like it will.

 

More lies, insults and bluster. Trying to be like Frank?

 

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