In article <fbjfih$ugb$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

> Leythos wrote:

> > In article <fbgh5f$m1n$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

> >> Leythos wrote:

> >>> In article <fbfih4$6kj$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

> >>>> I'm not an "advocate". I am merely another user who is happy with Ubuntu

> >>>> and wants to spread the good news because most people don't know about

> >>>> it. Windows still has its uses.

> >>> You are advocating that people switch to Ubuntu, you have done it many

> >>> times in this group and the XP groups, but you failed, each time, to

> >>> tell them that you continue to run Windows because Ubuntu doesn't

> >>> provide all that you need. Funny thing is that you also failed to tell

> >>> them that Windows does all that you need, you are just paranoid.

> >>>

> >>> So, windows does all that most users (home and corporate) need, in fact,

> >>> it does more than Ubuntu can deliver. Fact is that home users would have

> >>> to Dual Boot or have two computers if they listened to your Use Ubuntu,

> >>> it's all you need and will be simple....

> >>>

> >> Yawn. When you get over the fact that I use both Ubuntu and XP, let me know.

> >

> > It's not that you use both that's at issue - it's that you tell people

> > to switch to Ubuntu, that they don't need Windows, and yet, as a common,

> > typical user, you can't abandon Windows any more than the people you

> > tell to abandon it can...

> >

>

> Even if you're not a gamer, switching to Ubuntu is obviously the best

> choice for everything except gaming. And, if you're like me, you'll use

> Ubuntu for everything and have XP on a box for gaming until the gaming

> folks wake up and start writing games for Linux.

 

How is a typical user, home user, going to know how to support Dual

Booting?

 

If they follow typical, well documented security methods, why would they

need an alternative OS that won't run all of their needs?

> NONE of the problems that provoked my recommending Ubuntu had *anything*

> to do with gaming so, no, I am not a hypocrite except in your twisted mind.

 

Yes, you are, clearly. You suggest a solution without asking about all

of the requirements for their needs, you just ramble on about how it's

what they need without understanding what they actually need - you've

done this many times. Very poor methods you show.

> I'm still waiting for to email me your fancy dancy Word .doc that you

> claim won't work with Linux but I am not holding my breath.

 

Not going to happen, you can do it yourself, easily, unless you're

afraid to be exposed again.

 

 

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- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a

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Leythos wrote:

> In article <fbgia1$q8q$2@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>> Leythos wrote:

>>> In article <uBcoTRX7HHA.5012@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>,

>>> iamalias@shoesgmail.com. says...

>>>> So, once again, it's a indisputable fact that WPA and WGA do NOTHING to

>>>> stop piracy and ONLY inconvenience paying customers. Live with it. Oh, I

>>>> forgot, you LIKE living with it :-)

>>> Wrong, it stopped Piracy, once the pirate was exposed the police were

>>> able to stop him - without WPA/WGA it would never have been stopped.

>>>

>> Does this mean you are conceding all the other points I made that you

>> snipped? One case where WGA worked does not stop piracy. Piracy is more

>> rampant now than it was ten years ago.

>

> No, I snipped what wasn't needed - WGA and WPA does work, just not a

> complete solution, but it does stop piracy in many cases.

>

 

It inconveniences paying customers MUCH more, MILLIONS more, times than

it catches any pirates.

 

What costs more, the bad PR due to this crap and all the activation

seats in India and Morocco or the so-called money lost due to piracy?

The former, of course, when you consider that most people are honest and

most people buy Windows with a computer, preinstalled.

 

I see post after post on the Ubuntu newsgroup and other forums of people

who switched *specifically* because they are sick and tired of having to

report to Redmond every time they reinstall Windows or upgrade some

hardware.

 

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In article <fbjfoj$ugb$2@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

> Leythos wrote:

> > In article <fbghi7$nkf$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

> >> Leythos wrote:

> >>> In article <uFT77KX7HHA.464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>,

> >>> iamalias@shoesgmail.com. says...

> >>>> Just curious, why do you object to my using both systems, other than

> >>>> your obsession with trying to oneupmanship me? I may buy a Mac just to

> >>>> see how it is. Would that bother you too?

> >>>>

> >>>> I have never advised someone to switch to Ubuntu to play games. I have

> >>>> advised it for safer surfing, no need for ninja hardware, etc,, but not

> >>>> for gaming.

> >>> I don't object to you using windows - I object to your BS mantra that

> >>> Ubuntu does what most people need and they won't need windows - that it

> >>> solves their problems....

> >>>

> >>> Clearly, just about any home with a computer also has at least one game

> >>> on it, other than what was included, and that means that any home with

> >>> kids in their teens, well, they just need Windows to play those games.

> >>>

> >>> Now, while Ubuntu is a good BOX for browsing, email, and some other

> >>> common things, it does not give your average home with kids what they

> >>> need.

> >>>

> >>> You seem to think that Mom and Dad are going to be able to manage a Dual

> >>> Boot system when they don't need to, they just need Windows and a little

> >>> education. As was already proven, a stupid Administrator, someone that

> >>> should know better, compromised their Ubuntu installation - so it

> >>> appears that all OS's need to have trained users.

> >>>

> >>> Now, you can preach that Ubuntu is for the masses, but it fails the one

> >>> task - being a full replacement for something that already works.

> >>>

> >> Speaking of kids, a friend of mine just brought over a Windows XP

> >> computer that her grandchild uses and it's, you guessed it, fully

> >> infected. Had the kid been using Ubuntu, there would be no infections

> >> and she wouldn't have to pay me to clean up the computer. Ubuntu is

> >> going on this machine and, being as the kid doesn't have any Windows

> >> games or any need for fancy dancy Word docs, no Windows.

> >>

> >> The neighbor upstairs also has a fully infected XP machine. So infected,

> >> the AV was disabled, along with Spybot, Windows firewall and

> >> Spywareguard. He is converting to an Ubuntu only machine because he

> >> doesn't play games or have any need for fancy dancy Office files.

> >

> > If if they had been using Ubuntu they would not have been able to play

> > games or run some of the programs they most likely did.

> >

> > Infected machines are infected for the same reason that the Ubuntu

> > install was compromised - STUPID PEOPLE. The idea of compromised

> > machines and securing them has been around for DECADES. Ways to protect

> > windows machines have been public for DECADES, and they work fine.

> >

> > Every time I hear about a compromised machines, it's always because of a

> > STUPID USER - there are zillions of sites telling users how to secure

> > their machines and yet they ignore them, even when they listen to

> > radio/tv/printed news, they still ignore them.... Much the same thing

> > happened with the Admin did something stupid that compromised his Ubuntu

> > machine....

> >

> > So, since your neighbors kids won't be able to play most of the popular

> > games it's a good bet that if you put Ubuntu on their computers that

> > they will be back in short order to get Windows reinstalled.

> >

>

> You don't know what the kid downloaded. The kid is eight and there are

> plenty of games that come with Ubuntu that he will just love.

 

And you've not shown one valid reason to drop Windows for Ubuntu for the

typical home/family user - and have shown that Ubuntu is not the

solution for anyone wanting to run popular games.

> Oh, and it isn't "stupid" people but people who don't know any better.

 

Yea, it is, stupid is simple, and there are a lot of Stupid people at

all levels, even network admins are stupid at times, some are terminally

stupid all the time.

 

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In article <fbjfqn$ugb$3@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

> Leythos wrote:

> > In article <fbghp6$nkf$3@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

> >> Leythos wrote:

> >>> In article <fbeo2m$u4b$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

> >>>> Can you address the issues or merely try to shoot the messenger and miss

> >>>> every single time?

> >>>>

> >>> You are the issue Alias - preaching that Ubuntu is the salvation for the

> >>> masses, yet you don't tell them about it's failings that keep you

> >>> running Windows.

> >> "Salvation for the masses"? Do you thing that a computer is a kind of

> >> god or something?

> >>

> >>> That means that you are the issue, telling lies without concern,

> >>> screwing people that don't know any better.

> >>>

> >> I have, over and over again, said that Ubuntu isn't an OS the gaming

> >> industry is interested in. As it grows in popularity, that will change.

> >> I know you hate the fact that your god, Windows, is in the sunset of its

> >> life cycle and that Linux is the coming thing but maybe if you open your

> >> mind, you can live with it.

> >

> > And yet you preach Ubuntu as the solution to the commoners problems and

> > fail to tell them what it won't do, while you keep running Windows...

> >

> > Unlike you, while I run several O/S's, I'm not preaching that any of

> > them are the best solution for anyone - they each have strengths and

> > things they do better than others. Your failure is telling people that

> > your latest toy is the solution to all their problems without telling

> > them that they will have to keep running windows to do many common

> > things.

> >

>

> Again, only games. Only games. Only games and, really, only some games.

 

And again, Ubuntu doesn't have the ability to replace Windows for most

users because you clearly show that it can't each time to admit that you

still run Windows.

 

So, Windows, does all that most people need, and it does it well. Ubuntu

does COMMON tasks well, but still requires you to have Windows for many

things - like running Office to work with groups that use Office

document formats, running most popular games, running technical

programs, etc....

 

So, there is no reason to switch to Ubuntu if you still have to keep

Windows for ANY reason.

 

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Leythos wrote:

> In article <fbjfih$ugb$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>> Leythos wrote:

>>> In article <fbgh5f$m1n$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>>>> Leythos wrote:

>>>>> In article <fbfih4$6kj$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>>>>>> I'm not an "advocate". I am merely another user who is happy with Ubuntu

>>>>>> and wants to spread the good news because most people don't know about

>>>>>> it. Windows still has its uses.

>>>>> You are advocating that people switch to Ubuntu, you have done it many

>>>>> times in this group and the XP groups, but you failed, each time, to

>>>>> tell them that you continue to run Windows because Ubuntu doesn't

>>>>> provide all that you need. Funny thing is that you also failed to tell

>>>>> them that Windows does all that you need, you are just paranoid.

>>>>>

>>>>> So, windows does all that most users (home and corporate) need, in fact,

>>>>> it does more than Ubuntu can deliver. Fact is that home users would have

>>>>> to Dual Boot or have two computers if they listened to your Use Ubuntu,

>>>>> it's all you need and will be simple....

>>>>>

>>>> Yawn. When you get over the fact that I use both Ubuntu and XP, let me know.

>>> It's not that you use both that's at issue - it's that you tell people

>>> to switch to Ubuntu, that they don't need Windows, and yet, as a common,

>>> typical user, you can't abandon Windows any more than the people you

>>> tell to abandon it can...

>>>

>> Even if you're not a gamer, switching to Ubuntu is obviously the best

>> choice for everything except gaming. And, if you're like me, you'll use

>> Ubuntu for everything and have XP on a box for gaming until the gaming

>> folks wake up and start writing games for Linux.

>

> How is a typical user, home user, going to know how to support Dual

> Booting?

 

And you claim to have various OSs installed. LOL! If you can hit an

arrow key and the Enter key, you can do it.

>

> If they follow typical, well documented security methods, why would they

> need an alternative OS that won't run all of their needs?

 

The "typical, well documented security methods" are more difficult to

follow that's why and you never mention them when you reply to a post.

>

>> NONE of the problems that provoked my recommending Ubuntu had *anything*

>> to do with gaming so, no, I am not a hypocrite except in your twisted mind.

>

> Yes, you are, clearly. You suggest a solution without asking about all

> of the requirements for their needs, you just ramble on about how it's

> what they need without understanding what they actually need - you've

> done this many times. Very poor methods you show.

 

I don't see you mapping out everything about Windows when you reply to a

post, no links to how to keep Windows secure or anything. Oops.

>

>> I'm still waiting for to email me your fancy dancy Word .doc that you

>> claim won't work with Linux but I am not holding my breath.

>

> Not going to happen, you can do it yourself, easily, unless you're

> afraid to be exposed again.

 

I told you I did it and the word .doc worked just fine with Ubuntu. You

say that it won't and that you know some fancy dancy high tech way of

creating Word .docs that won't work with Ubuntu. Put your money where

your mouth is or STFU about it.

 

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Leythos wrote:

> In article <fbjfoj$ugb$2@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>> Leythos wrote:

>>> In article <fbghi7$nkf$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>>>> Leythos wrote:

>>>>> In article <uFT77KX7HHA.464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>,

>>>>> iamalias@shoesgmail.com. says...

>>>>>> Just curious, why do you object to my using both systems, other than

>>>>>> your obsession with trying to oneupmanship me? I may buy a Mac just to

>>>>>> see how it is. Would that bother you too?

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I have never advised someone to switch to Ubuntu to play games. I have

>>>>>> advised it for safer surfing, no need for ninja hardware, etc,, but not

>>>>>> for gaming.

>>>>> I don't object to you using windows - I object to your BS mantra that

>>>>> Ubuntu does what most people need and they won't need windows - that it

>>>>> solves their problems....

>>>>>

>>>>> Clearly, just about any home with a computer also has at least one game

>>>>> on it, other than what was included, and that means that any home with

>>>>> kids in their teens, well, they just need Windows to play those games.

>>>>>

>>>>> Now, while Ubuntu is a good BOX for browsing, email, and some other

>>>>> common things, it does not give your average home with kids what they

>>>>> need.

>>>>>

>>>>> You seem to think that Mom and Dad are going to be able to manage a Dual

>>>>> Boot system when they don't need to, they just need Windows and a little

>>>>> education. As was already proven, a stupid Administrator, someone that

>>>>> should know better, compromised their Ubuntu installation - so it

>>>>> appears that all OS's need to have trained users.

>>>>>

>>>>> Now, you can preach that Ubuntu is for the masses, but it fails the one

>>>>> task - being a full replacement for something that already works.

>>>>>

>>>> Speaking of kids, a friend of mine just brought over a Windows XP

>>>> computer that her grandchild uses and it's, you guessed it, fully

>>>> infected. Had the kid been using Ubuntu, there would be no infections

>>>> and she wouldn't have to pay me to clean up the computer. Ubuntu is

>>>> going on this machine and, being as the kid doesn't have any Windows

>>>> games or any need for fancy dancy Word docs, no Windows.

>>>>

>>>> The neighbor upstairs also has a fully infected XP machine. So infected,

>>>> the AV was disabled, along with Spybot, Windows firewall and

>>>> Spywareguard. He is converting to an Ubuntu only machine because he

>>>> doesn't play games or have any need for fancy dancy Office files.

>>> If if they had been using Ubuntu they would not have been able to play

>>> games or run some of the programs they most likely did.

>>>

>>> Infected machines are infected for the same reason that the Ubuntu

>>> install was compromised - STUPID PEOPLE. The idea of compromised

>>> machines and securing them has been around for DECADES. Ways to protect

>>> windows machines have been public for DECADES, and they work fine.

>>>

>>> Every time I hear about a compromised machines, it's always because of a

>>> STUPID USER - there are zillions of sites telling users how to secure

>>> their machines and yet they ignore them, even when they listen to

>>> radio/tv/printed news, they still ignore them.... Much the same thing

>>> happened with the Admin did something stupid that compromised his Ubuntu

>>> machine....

>>>

>>> So, since your neighbors kids won't be able to play most of the popular

>>> games it's a good bet that if you put Ubuntu on their computers that

>>> they will be back in short order to get Windows reinstalled.

>>>

>> You don't know what the kid downloaded. The kid is eight and there are

>> plenty of games that come with Ubuntu that he will just love.

>

> And you've not shown one valid reason to drop Windows for Ubuntu for the

> typical home/family user - and have shown that Ubuntu is not the

> solution for anyone wanting to run popular games.

>

>> Oh, and it isn't "stupid" people but people who don't know any better.

>

> Yea, it is, stupid is simple, and there are a lot of Stupid people at

> all levels, even network admins are stupid at times, some are terminally

> stupid all the time.

>

 

What a stupid thing to say.

 

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In article <fbjg3s$cn$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

> Leythos wrote:

> > In article <fbgia1$q8q$2@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

> >> Leythos wrote:

> >>> In article <uBcoTRX7HHA.5012@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>,

> >>> iamalias@shoesgmail.com. says...

> >>>> So, once again, it's a indisputable fact that WPA and WGA do NOTHING to

> >>>> stop piracy and ONLY inconvenience paying customers. Live with it. Oh, I

> >>>> forgot, you LIKE living with it :-)

> >>> Wrong, it stopped Piracy, once the pirate was exposed the police were

> >>> able to stop him - without WPA/WGA it would never have been stopped.

> >>>

> >> Does this mean you are conceding all the other points I made that you

> >> snipped? One case where WGA worked does not stop piracy. Piracy is more

> >> rampant now than it was ten years ago.

> >

> > No, I snipped what wasn't needed - WGA and WPA does work, just not a

> > complete solution, but it does stop piracy in many cases.

> >

>

> It inconveniences paying customers MUCH more, MILLIONS more, times than

> it catches any pirates.

>

> What costs more, the bad PR due to this crap and all the activation

> seats in India and Morocco or the so-called money lost due to piracy?

> The former, of course, when you consider that most people are honest and

> most people buy Windows with a computer, preinstalled.

>

> I see post after post on the Ubuntu newsgroup and other forums of people

> who switched *specifically* because they are sick and tired of having to

> report to Redmond every time they reinstall Windows or upgrade some

> hardware.

 

And those people can't give one example where they were unable to do

anything legal/ethical on their Windows PC's.

 

The perception of being a thief is completely based in FUD created by

people like you.

 

Complain all you like, your only point is that you don't like it because

you don't.

 

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- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a

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In article <fbjgh0$1ar$2@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

> Leythos wrote:

> > In article <fbjfoj$ugb$2@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

> >> Leythos wrote:

> >>> In article <fbghi7$nkf$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

> >>>> Leythos wrote:

> >>>>> In article <uFT77KX7HHA.464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>,

> >>>>> iamalias@shoesgmail.com. says...

> >>>>>> Just curious, why do you object to my using both systems, other than

> >>>>>> your obsession with trying to oneupmanship me? I may buy a Mac just to

> >>>>>> see how it is. Would that bother you too?

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> I have never advised someone to switch to Ubuntu to play games. I have

> >>>>>> advised it for safer surfing, no need for ninja hardware, etc,, but not

> >>>>>> for gaming.

> >>>>> I don't object to you using windows - I object to your BS mantra that

> >>>>> Ubuntu does what most people need and they won't need windows - that it

> >>>>> solves their problems....

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Clearly, just about any home with a computer also has at least one game

> >>>>> on it, other than what was included, and that means that any home with

> >>>>> kids in their teens, well, they just need Windows to play those games.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Now, while Ubuntu is a good BOX for browsing, email, and some other

> >>>>> common things, it does not give your average home with kids what they

> >>>>> need.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> You seem to think that Mom and Dad are going to be able to manage a Dual

> >>>>> Boot system when they don't need to, they just need Windows and a little

> >>>>> education. As was already proven, a stupid Administrator, someone that

> >>>>> should know better, compromised their Ubuntu installation - so it

> >>>>> appears that all OS's need to have trained users.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Now, you can preach that Ubuntu is for the masses, but it fails the one

> >>>>> task - being a full replacement for something that already works.

> >>>>>

> >>>> Speaking of kids, a friend of mine just brought over a Windows XP

> >>>> computer that her grandchild uses and it's, you guessed it, fully

> >>>> infected. Had the kid been using Ubuntu, there would be no infections

> >>>> and she wouldn't have to pay me to clean up the computer. Ubuntu is

> >>>> going on this machine and, being as the kid doesn't have any Windows

> >>>> games or any need for fancy dancy Word docs, no Windows.

> >>>>

> >>>> The neighbor upstairs also has a fully infected XP machine. So infected,

> >>>> the AV was disabled, along with Spybot, Windows firewall and

> >>>> Spywareguard. He is converting to an Ubuntu only machine because he

> >>>> doesn't play games or have any need for fancy dancy Office files.

> >>> If if they had been using Ubuntu they would not have been able to play

> >>> games or run some of the programs they most likely did.

> >>>

> >>> Infected machines are infected for the same reason that the Ubuntu

> >>> install was compromised - STUPID PEOPLE. The idea of compromised

> >>> machines and securing them has been around for DECADES. Ways to protect

> >>> windows machines have been public for DECADES, and they work fine.

> >>>

> >>> Every time I hear about a compromised machines, it's always because of a

> >>> STUPID USER - there are zillions of sites telling users how to secure

> >>> their machines and yet they ignore them, even when they listen to

> >>> radio/tv/printed news, they still ignore them.... Much the same thing

> >>> happened with the Admin did something stupid that compromised his Ubuntu

> >>> machine....

> >>>

> >>> So, since your neighbors kids won't be able to play most of the popular

> >>> games it's a good bet that if you put Ubuntu on their computers that

> >>> they will be back in short order to get Windows reinstalled.

> >>>

> >> You don't know what the kid downloaded. The kid is eight and there are

> >> plenty of games that come with Ubuntu that he will just love.

> >

> > And you've not shown one valid reason to drop Windows for Ubuntu for the

> > typical home/family user - and have shown that Ubuntu is not the

> > solution for anyone wanting to run popular games.

> >

> >> Oh, and it isn't "stupid" people but people who don't know any better.

> >

> > Yea, it is, stupid is simple, and there are a lot of Stupid people at

> > all levels, even network admins are stupid at times, some are terminally

> > stupid all the time.

> >

>

> What a stupid thing to say.

 

LOL - Except that it's 100% true. The only people that still get their

computers compromised are the "Stupid" ones. The information on how to

start-up a new PC, how to protect it from malware, etc... has been

around, on thousands of sites, in the news print, on TV, from friends,

for decades - the only excuse for a compromised machine is being stupid.

 

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- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a

drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"

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In article <fbjge8$1ar$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

> Leythos wrote:

> > In article <fbjfih$ugb$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

> >> Leythos wrote:

> >>> In article <fbgh5f$m1n$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

> >>>> Leythos wrote:

> >>>>> In article <fbfih4$6kj$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

> >>>>>> I'm not an "advocate". I am merely another user who is happy with Ubuntu

> >>>>>> and wants to spread the good news because most people don't know about

> >>>>>> it. Windows still has its uses.

> >>>>> You are advocating that people switch to Ubuntu, you have done it many

> >>>>> times in this group and the XP groups, but you failed, each time, to

> >>>>> tell them that you continue to run Windows because Ubuntu doesn't

> >>>>> provide all that you need. Funny thing is that you also failed to tell

> >>>>> them that Windows does all that you need, you are just paranoid.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> So, windows does all that most users (home and corporate) need, in fact,

> >>>>> it does more than Ubuntu can deliver. Fact is that home users would have

> >>>>> to Dual Boot or have two computers if they listened to your Use Ubuntu,

> >>>>> it's all you need and will be simple....

> >>>>>

> >>>> Yawn. When you get over the fact that I use both Ubuntu and XP, let me know.

> >>> It's not that you use both that's at issue - it's that you tell people

> >>> to switch to Ubuntu, that they don't need Windows, and yet, as a common,

> >>> typical user, you can't abandon Windows any more than the people you

> >>> tell to abandon it can...

> >>>

> >> Even if you're not a gamer, switching to Ubuntu is obviously the best

> >> choice for everything except gaming. And, if you're like me, you'll use

> >> Ubuntu for everything and have XP on a box for gaming until the gaming

> >> folks wake up and start writing games for Linux.

> >

> > How is a typical user, home user, going to know how to support Dual

> > Booting?

>

> And you claim to have various OSs installed. LOL! If you can hit an

> arrow key and the Enter key, you can do it.

>

> >

> > If they follow typical, well documented security methods, why would they

> > need an alternative OS that won't run all of their needs?

>

> The "typical, well documented security methods" are more difficult to

> follow that's why and you never mention them when you reply to a post.

>

> >

> >> NONE of the problems that provoked my recommending Ubuntu had *anything*

> >> to do with gaming so, no, I am not a hypocrite except in your twisted mind.

> >

> > Yes, you are, clearly. You suggest a solution without asking about all

> > of the requirements for their needs, you just ramble on about how it's

> > what they need without understanding what they actually need - you've

> > done this many times. Very poor methods you show.

>

> I don't see you mapping out everything about Windows when you reply to a

> post, no links to how to keep Windows secure or anything. Oops.

 

That's because they are ALREADY ON WINDOWS, I'm not telling them to

switch OS platforms like you constantly do.

> >> I'm still waiting for to email me your fancy dancy Word .doc that you

> >> claim won't work with Linux but I am not holding my breath.

> >

> > Not going to happen, you can do it yourself, easily, unless you're

> > afraid to be exposed again.

>

> I told you I did it and the word .doc worked just fine with Ubuntu. You

> say that it won't and that you know some fancy dancy high tech way of

> creating Word .docs that won't work with Ubuntu. Put your money where

> your mouth is or STFU about it.

 

LOL - I expected as much from a troll. You either don't have Office XP,

2003 or you don't know how to use it. Typical documents, other than

plain text with just font formatting, convert just fine, as I've clearly

said, but ones with advanced formatting don't convert and even some

placement of simple graphics don't convert properly. Of documents that

do convert, many are not the same exact layout as the source document.

Now, you can either admit that you don't know how to use Office, that

you don't have it, or that you're just trolling again.

 

 

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Leythos wrote:

> In article <fbjg3s$cn$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>> Leythos wrote:

>>> In article <fbgia1$q8q$2@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>>>> Leythos wrote:

>>>>> In article <uBcoTRX7HHA.5012@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>,

>>>>> iamalias@shoesgmail.com. says...

>>>>>> So, once again, it's a indisputable fact that WPA and WGA do NOTHING to

>>>>>> stop piracy and ONLY inconvenience paying customers. Live with it. Oh, I

>>>>>> forgot, you LIKE living with it :-)

>>>>> Wrong, it stopped Piracy, once the pirate was exposed the police were

>>>>> able to stop him - without WPA/WGA it would never have been stopped.

>>>>>

>>>> Does this mean you are conceding all the other points I made that you

>>>> snipped? One case where WGA worked does not stop piracy. Piracy is more

>>>> rampant now than it was ten years ago.

>>> No, I snipped what wasn't needed - WGA and WPA does work, just not a

>>> complete solution, but it does stop piracy in many cases.

>>>

>> It inconveniences paying customers MUCH more, MILLIONS more, times than

>> it catches any pirates.

 

No answer from Leythos. Everyone act surprised.

>>

>> What costs more, the bad PR due to this crap and all the activation

>> seats in India and Morocco or the so-called money lost due to piracy?

>> The former, of course, when you consider that most people are honest and

>> most people buy Windows with a computer, preinstalled.

 

No answer from Leythos. Everyone act surprised.

>>

>> I see post after post on the Ubuntu newsgroup and other forums of people

>> who switched *specifically* because they are sick and tired of having to

>> report to Redmond every time they reinstall Windows or upgrade some

>> hardware.

>

> And those people can't give one example where they were unable to do

> anything legal/ethical on their Windows PC's.

 

Didn't say they did.

>

> The perception of being a thief is completely based in FUD created by

> people like you.

 

No, you accepting it is just turning around so the Redmond shearers can

take more wool off your back.

>

> Complain all you like, your only point is that you don't like it because

> you don't.

 

The LAST thing I need when a NIC isn't behaving properly is to have to

activate FOUR bloody times and then have to call Morocco in order to use

MY computer. When that happened, I made the decision to learn Ubuntu and

I found out about Ubuntu on this very news group. Yeah, you're right I

don't like it and I am not alone. Only logic impaired fools like you

accept it as "normal".

 

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In article <fbjhng$58h$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

> Leythos wrote:

> > In article <fbjg3s$cn$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

> >> Leythos wrote:

> >>> In article <fbgia1$q8q$2@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

> >>>> Leythos wrote:

> >>>>> In article <uBcoTRX7HHA.5012@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>,

> >>>>> iamalias@shoesgmail.com. says...

> >>>>>> So, once again, it's a indisputable fact that WPA and WGA do NOTHING to

> >>>>>> stop piracy and ONLY inconvenience paying customers. Live with it. Oh, I

> >>>>>> forgot, you LIKE living with it :-)

> >>>>> Wrong, it stopped Piracy, once the pirate was exposed the police were

> >>>>> able to stop him - without WPA/WGA it would never have been stopped.

> >>>>>

> >>>> Does this mean you are conceding all the other points I made that you

> >>>> snipped? One case where WGA worked does not stop piracy. Piracy is more

> >>>> rampant now than it was ten years ago.

> >>> No, I snipped what wasn't needed - WGA and WPA does work, just not a

> >>> complete solution, but it does stop piracy in many cases.

> >>>

> >> It inconveniences paying customers MUCH more, MILLIONS more, times than

> >> it catches any pirates.

>

> No answer from Leythos. Everyone act surprised.

 

None needed, already dismissed as FUD from the kook group.

> >> What costs more, the bad PR due to this crap and all the activation

> >> seats in India and Morocco or the so-called money lost due to piracy?

> >> The former, of course, when you consider that most people are honest and

> >> most people buy Windows with a computer, preinstalled.

>

> No answer from Leythos. Everyone act surprised.

 

None needed, already dismissed as FUD from the kook group.

> >> I see post after post on the Ubuntu newsgroup and other forums of people

> >> who switched *specifically* because they are sick and tired of having to

> >> report to Redmond every time they reinstall Windows or upgrade some

> >> hardware.

> >

> > And those people can't give one example where they were unable to do

> > anything legal/ethical on their Windows PC's.

>

> Didn't say they did.

 

Then they didn't have a reason to switch, other than FUD.

> > The perception of being a thief is completely based in FUD created by

> > people like you.

>

> No, you accepting it is just turning around so the Redmond shearers can

> take more wool off your back.

 

None needed, already dismissed as FUD from the kook group.

> > Complain all you like, your only point is that you don't like it because

> > you don't.

>

> The LAST thing I need when a NIC isn't behaving properly is to have to

> activate FOUR bloody times and then have to call Morocco in order to use

> MY computer. When that happened, I made the decision to learn Ubuntu and

> I found out about Ubuntu on this very news group. Yeah, you're right I

> don't like it and I am not alone. Only logic impaired fools like you

> accept it as "normal".

 

And you know that a NIC being changed does not cause activation to be

triggered, a single NIC would not trigger it alone.

 

And yet you keep using Windows while telling people to switch to Ubuntu

as their needed solution to Windows problems - yet you fail to tell them

that they will still need windows (just like you do) in order to do

common Windows things.

 

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- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a

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Leythos wrote:

> In article <fbjgh0$1ar$2@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>> Leythos wrote:

>>> In article <fbjfoj$ugb$2@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>>>> Leythos wrote:

>>>>> In article <fbghi7$nkf$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>>>>>> Leythos wrote:

>>>>>>> In article <uFT77KX7HHA.464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>,

>>>>>>> iamalias@shoesgmail.com. says...

>>>>>>>> Just curious, why do you object to my using both systems, other than

>>>>>>>> your obsession with trying to oneupmanship me? I may buy a Mac just to

>>>>>>>> see how it is. Would that bother you too?

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I have never advised someone to switch to Ubuntu to play games. I have

>>>>>>>> advised it for safer surfing, no need for ninja hardware, etc,, but not

>>>>>>>> for gaming.

>>>>>>> I don't object to you using windows - I object to your BS mantra that

>>>>>>> Ubuntu does what most people need and they won't need windows - that it

>>>>>>> solves their problems....

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Clearly, just about any home with a computer also has at least one game

>>>>>>> on it, other than what was included, and that means that any home with

>>>>>>> kids in their teens, well, they just need Windows to play those games.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Now, while Ubuntu is a good BOX for browsing, email, and some other

>>>>>>> common things, it does not give your average home with kids what they

>>>>>>> need.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> You seem to think that Mom and Dad are going to be able to manage a Dual

>>>>>>> Boot system when they don't need to, they just need Windows and a little

>>>>>>> education. As was already proven, a stupid Administrator, someone that

>>>>>>> should know better, compromised their Ubuntu installation - so it

>>>>>>> appears that all OS's need to have trained users.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Now, you can preach that Ubuntu is for the masses, but it fails the one

>>>>>>> task - being a full replacement for something that already works.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>> Speaking of kids, a friend of mine just brought over a Windows XP

>>>>>> computer that her grandchild uses and it's, you guessed it, fully

>>>>>> infected. Had the kid been using Ubuntu, there would be no infections

>>>>>> and she wouldn't have to pay me to clean up the computer. Ubuntu is

>>>>>> going on this machine and, being as the kid doesn't have any Windows

>>>>>> games or any need for fancy dancy Word docs, no Windows.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> The neighbor upstairs also has a fully infected XP machine. So infected,

>>>>>> the AV was disabled, along with Spybot, Windows firewall and

>>>>>> Spywareguard. He is converting to an Ubuntu only machine because he

>>>>>> doesn't play games or have any need for fancy dancy Office files.

>>>>> If if they had been using Ubuntu they would not have been able to play

>>>>> games or run some of the programs they most likely did.

>>>>>

>>>>> Infected machines are infected for the same reason that the Ubuntu

>>>>> install was compromised - STUPID PEOPLE. The idea of compromised

>>>>> machines and securing them has been around for DECADES. Ways to protect

>>>>> windows machines have been public for DECADES, and they work fine.

>>>>>

>>>>> Every time I hear about a compromised machines, it's always because of a

>>>>> STUPID USER - there are zillions of sites telling users how to secure

>>>>> their machines and yet they ignore them, even when they listen to

>>>>> radio/tv/printed news, they still ignore them.... Much the same thing

>>>>> happened with the Admin did something stupid that compromised his Ubuntu

>>>>> machine....

>>>>>

>>>>> So, since your neighbors kids won't be able to play most of the popular

>>>>> games it's a good bet that if you put Ubuntu on their computers that

>>>>> they will be back in short order to get Windows reinstalled.

>>>>>

>>>> You don't know what the kid downloaded. The kid is eight and there are

>>>> plenty of games that come with Ubuntu that he will just love.

>>> And you've not shown one valid reason to drop Windows for Ubuntu for the

>>> typical home/family user - and have shown that Ubuntu is not the

>>> solution for anyone wanting to run popular games.

>>>

>>>> Oh, and it isn't "stupid" people but people who don't know any better.

>>> Yea, it is, stupid is simple, and there are a lot of Stupid people at

>>> all levels, even network admins are stupid at times, some are terminally

>>> stupid all the time.

>>>

>> What a stupid thing to say.

>

> LOL - Except that it's 100% true. The only people that still get their

> computers compromised are the "Stupid" ones. The information on how to

> start-up a new PC, how to protect it from malware, etc... has been

> around, on thousands of sites, in the news print, on TV, from friends,

> for decades - the only excuse for a compromised machine is being stupid.

>

 

The word you want is "ignorant" because they don't know any better. Just

because someone's intelligent doesn't mean they are aware of everything.

 

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Leythos wrote:

> In article <fbjhng$58h$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>> Leythos wrote:

>>> In article <fbjg3s$cn$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>>>> Leythos wrote:

>>>>> In article <fbgia1$q8q$2@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>>>>>> Leythos wrote:

>>>>>>> In article <uBcoTRX7HHA.5012@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>,

>>>>>>> iamalias@shoesgmail.com. says...

>>>>>>>> So, once again, it's a indisputable fact that WPA and WGA do NOTHING to

>>>>>>>> stop piracy and ONLY inconvenience paying customers. Live with it. Oh, I

>>>>>>>> forgot, you LIKE living with it :-)

>>>>>>> Wrong, it stopped Piracy, once the pirate was exposed the police were

>>>>>>> able to stop him - without WPA/WGA it would never have been stopped.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>> Does this mean you are conceding all the other points I made that you

>>>>>> snipped? One case where WGA worked does not stop piracy. Piracy is more

>>>>>> rampant now than it was ten years ago.

>>>>> No, I snipped what wasn't needed - WGA and WPA does work, just not a

>>>>> complete solution, but it does stop piracy in many cases.

>>>>>

>>>> It inconveniences paying customers MUCH more, MILLIONS more, times than

>>>> it catches any pirates.

>> No answer from Leythos. Everyone act surprised.

>

> None needed, already dismissed as FUD from the kook group.

>

>>>> What costs more, the bad PR due to this crap and all the activation

>>>> seats in India and Morocco or the so-called money lost due to piracy?

>>>> The former, of course, when you consider that most people are honest and

>>>> most people buy Windows with a computer, preinstalled.

>> No answer from Leythos. Everyone act surprised.

>

> None needed, already dismissed as FUD from the kook group.

>

>>>> I see post after post on the Ubuntu newsgroup and other forums of people

>>>> who switched *specifically* because they are sick and tired of having to

>>>> report to Redmond every time they reinstall Windows or upgrade some

>>>> hardware.

>>> And those people can't give one example where they were unable to do

>>> anything legal/ethical on their Windows PC's.

>> Didn't say they did.

>

> Then they didn't have a reason to switch, other than FUD.

 

False.

>

>>> The perception of being a thief is completely based in FUD created by

>>> people like you.

>> No, you accepting it is just turning around so the Redmond shearers can

>> take more wool off your back.

>

> None needed, already dismissed as FUD from the kook group.

 

False.

>

>>> Complain all you like, your only point is that you don't like it because

>>> you don't.

>> The LAST thing I need when a NIC isn't behaving properly is to have to

>> activate FOUR bloody times and then have to call Morocco in order to use

>> MY computer. When that happened, I made the decision to learn Ubuntu and

>> I found out about Ubuntu on this very news group. Yeah, you're right I

>> don't like it and I am not alone. Only logic impaired fools like you

>> accept it as "normal".

>

> And you know that a NIC being changed does not cause activation to be

> triggered, a single NIC would not trigger it alone.

 

I changed a faulty NIC and I had to reactivate each time I rebooted for

four times and on the fifth reboot I was told my copy was not genuine

and had to call.

>

> And yet you keep using Windows while telling people to switch to Ubuntu

> as their needed solution to Windows problems - yet you fail to tell them

> that they will still need windows (just like you do) in order to do

> common Windows things.

 

ONE thing: gaming.

 

 

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Leythos wrote:

> In article <fbjge8$1ar$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>> Leythos wrote:

>>> In article <fbjfih$ugb$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>>>> Leythos wrote:

>>>>> In article <fbgh5f$m1n$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>>>>>> Leythos wrote:

>>>>>>> In article <fbfih4$6kj$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>>>>>>>> I'm not an "advocate". I am merely another user who is happy with Ubuntu

>>>>>>>> and wants to spread the good news because most people don't know about

>>>>>>>> it. Windows still has its uses.

>>>>>>> You are advocating that people switch to Ubuntu, you have done it many

>>>>>>> times in this group and the XP groups, but you failed, each time, to

>>>>>>> tell them that you continue to run Windows because Ubuntu doesn't

>>>>>>> provide all that you need. Funny thing is that you also failed to tell

>>>>>>> them that Windows does all that you need, you are just paranoid.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> So, windows does all that most users (home and corporate) need, in fact,

>>>>>>> it does more than Ubuntu can deliver. Fact is that home users would have

>>>>>>> to Dual Boot or have two computers if they listened to your Use Ubuntu,

>>>>>>> it's all you need and will be simple....

>>>>>>>

>>>>>> Yawn. When you get over the fact that I use both Ubuntu and XP, let me know.

>>>>> It's not that you use both that's at issue - it's that you tell people

>>>>> to switch to Ubuntu, that they don't need Windows, and yet, as a common,

>>>>> typical user, you can't abandon Windows any more than the people you

>>>>> tell to abandon it can...

>>>>>

>>>> Even if you're not a gamer, switching to Ubuntu is obviously the best

>>>> choice for everything except gaming. And, if you're like me, you'll use

>>>> Ubuntu for everything and have XP on a box for gaming until the gaming

>>>> folks wake up and start writing games for Linux.

>>> How is a typical user, home user, going to know how to support Dual

>>> Booting?

>> And you claim to have various OSs installed. LOL! If you can hit an

>> arrow key and the Enter key, you can do it.

>>

>>> If they follow typical, well documented security methods, why would they

>>> need an alternative OS that won't run all of their needs?

>> The "typical, well documented security methods" are more difficult to

>> follow that's why and you never mention them when you reply to a post.

>>

>>>> NONE of the problems that provoked my recommending Ubuntu had *anything*

>>>> to do with gaming so, no, I am not a hypocrite except in your twisted mind.

>>> Yes, you are, clearly. You suggest a solution without asking about all

>>> of the requirements for their needs, you just ramble on about how it's

>>> what they need without understanding what they actually need - you've

>>> done this many times. Very poor methods you show.

>> I don't see you mapping out everything about Windows when you reply to a

>> post, no links to how to keep Windows secure or anything. Oops.

>

> That's because they are ALREADY ON WINDOWS, I'm not telling them to

> switch OS platforms like you constantly do.

 

You still don't mention security even though you know that most people

do not have a secure Windows. I think I've posted enough already so that

people know that Ubuntu doesn't do most games.

>

>>>> I'm still waiting for to email me your fancy dancy Word .doc that you

>>>> claim won't work with Linux but I am not holding my breath.

>>> Not going to happen, you can do it yourself, easily, unless you're

>>> afraid to be exposed again.

>> I told you I did it and the word .doc worked just fine with Ubuntu. You

>> say that it won't and that you know some fancy dancy high tech way of

>> creating Word .docs that won't work with Ubuntu. Put your money where

>> your mouth is or STFU about it.

>

> LOL - I expected as much from a troll. You either don't have Office XP,

> 2003 or you don't know how to use it.

 

I have Office 2000 and it worked fine when I used it. Why should I put

out big bucks for Office 2003 or 07 when I don't need it?

> Typical documents, other than

> plain text with just font formatting, convert just fine, as I've clearly

> said, but ones with advanced formatting don't convert and even some

> placement of simple graphics don't convert properly.

 

Still waiting for you to send me one. My email is very clear.

> Of documents that

> do convert, many are not the same exact layout as the source document.

> Now, you can either admit that you don't know how to use Office, that

> you don't have it, or that you're just trolling again.

 

Most people have no need for fancy dancy Word .docs and for some reason

you're afraid to send me one. So, are you lying, don't know how to

create a fancy dancy Word .doc or what?

 

Put your money where your mouth is or STFU.

 

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In article <fbjilc$91f$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

> > LOL - Except that it's 100% true. The only people that still get their

> > computers compromised are the "Stupid" ones. The information on how to

> > start-up a new PC, how to protect it from malware, etc... has been

> > around, on thousands of sites, in the news print, on TV, from friends,

> > for decades - the only excuse for a compromised machine is being stupid.

> >

>

> The word you want is "ignorant" because they don't know any better. Just

> because someone's intelligent doesn't mean they are aware of everything.

 

No, being intentionally lacking understanding of something, notice the

intentional, means they are stupid. There are very few people that have

not read/listened/seen information about computer security, data theft,

viruses, malware.... Only the "Stupid" don't look for a solution.

 

And none of this means that Ubuntu is a better solution since people

still have to run Windows, as do you, in order to play popular games in

addition to many other tasks.

 

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- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a

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In article <fbjipu$91f$2@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

> Leythos wrote:

> > In article <fbjhng$58h$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

> >> Leythos wrote:

> >>> In article <fbjg3s$cn$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

> >>>> Leythos wrote:

> >>>>> In article <fbgia1$q8q$2@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

> >>>>>> Leythos wrote:

> >>>>>>> In article <uBcoTRX7HHA.5012@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>,

> >>>>>>> iamalias@shoesgmail.com. says...

> >>>>>>>> So, once again, it's a indisputable fact that WPA and WGA do NOTHING to

> >>>>>>>> stop piracy and ONLY inconvenience paying customers. Live with it. Oh, I

> >>>>>>>> forgot, you LIKE living with it :-)

> >>>>>>> Wrong, it stopped Piracy, once the pirate was exposed the police were

> >>>>>>> able to stop him - without WPA/WGA it would never have been stopped.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>> Does this mean you are conceding all the other points I made that you

> >>>>>> snipped? One case where WGA worked does not stop piracy. Piracy is more

> >>>>>> rampant now than it was ten years ago.

> >>>>> No, I snipped what wasn't needed - WGA and WPA does work, just not a

> >>>>> complete solution, but it does stop piracy in many cases.

> >>>>>

> >>>> It inconveniences paying customers MUCH more, MILLIONS more, times than

> >>>> it catches any pirates.

> >> No answer from Leythos. Everyone act surprised.

> >

> > None needed, already dismissed as FUD from the kook group.

> >

> >>>> What costs more, the bad PR due to this crap and all the activation

> >>>> seats in India and Morocco or the so-called money lost due to piracy?

> >>>> The former, of course, when you consider that most people are honest and

> >>>> most people buy Windows with a computer, preinstalled.

> >> No answer from Leythos. Everyone act surprised.

> >

> > None needed, already dismissed as FUD from the kook group.

> >

> >>>> I see post after post on the Ubuntu newsgroup and other forums of people

> >>>> who switched *specifically* because they are sick and tired of having to

> >>>> report to Redmond every time they reinstall Windows or upgrade some

> >>>> hardware.

> >>> And those people can't give one example where they were unable to do

> >>> anything legal/ethical on their Windows PC's.

> >> Didn't say they did.

> >

> > Then they didn't have a reason to switch, other than FUD.

>

> False.

 

No, and you admitted it - if they are doing legal/ethical things they

have no problem. It seems that the remainder are either paranoid or

doing illegal/unethical things.

> >>> The perception of being a thief is completely based in FUD created by

> >>> people like you.

> >> No, you accepting it is just turning around so the Redmond shearers can

> >> take more wool off your back.

> >

> > None needed, already dismissed as FUD from the kook group.

>

> False.

 

Nice attempt to change the truth.

> >>> Complain all you like, your only point is that you don't like it because

> >>> you don't.

> >> The LAST thing I need when a NIC isn't behaving properly is to have to

> >> activate FOUR bloody times and then have to call Morocco in order to use

> >> MY computer. When that happened, I made the decision to learn Ubuntu and

> >> I found out about Ubuntu on this very news group. Yeah, you're right I

> >> don't like it and I am not alone. Only logic impaired fools like you

> >> accept it as "normal".

> >

> > And you know that a NIC being changed does not cause activation to be

> > triggered, a single NIC would not trigger it alone.

>

> I changed a faulty NIC and I had to reactivate each time I rebooted for

> four times and on the fifth reboot I was told my copy was not genuine

> and had to call.

 

And that means that it wasn't the ONLY thing that had changed since the

last activation or that you had malware that corrupted the HASH for

activation. A single change, like a NIC, does not trigger re-activation

alone.

> > And yet you keep using Windows while telling people to switch to Ubuntu

> > as their needed solution to Windows problems - yet you fail to tell them

> > that they will still need windows (just like you do) in order to do

> > common Windows things.

>

> ONE thing: gaming.

 

And that is a Major thing that many home users do with their PC's -

which means that at this time Ubuntu is not ready for the masses - only

ready for the tinkerers and hobby people.

 

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- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a

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> Leythos wrote:

>> In article <fb8noc$rbd$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>>> Leythos wrote:

>>>> In article <eXKO5u16HHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, a@b.com says...

>>>>> And yes, I have used Ubuntu, quite a lot actually. I find it most

>>>>> amusing that the default installation is that it erases Windows and

>>>>> installs itself over.

>>>> What's more amusing is that Alias keeps preaching Ubuntu as the

>>>> solution for the masses, but he keeps running XP for the same reason

>>>> that other people use Windows.

>>> I only use Windows for gaming and that's only because the people who

>>> make games don't make them for Ubuntu.

>>>

>>>> If he really believe in his preachings to the masses he would have got

>>>> rid of all MS products and lived his message instead of being such a

>>>> hypocrite.

>>> With the exception of gaming, I *am* living my message and I'm not being

>>> hypocritical at all.

>>

>> No, you're telling lies, you keep preaching how Ubuntu is what people

>> need and that it's better than Windows, but you keep using Windows....

>>

>> You're exposed and a liar - If you're going to keep Windows, supporting

>> Microsoft, for any reason, then you don't need Ubuntu - Windows does all

>> that Ubuntu does, so there is no reason to have Ubuntu - there is no

>> reason to complicate things with having TWO O/S's two sets of

>> applications...

>>

>> You're living a lie and not being honest with people.

>>

>> If you said "Ubuntu is a good platform for people that don't need

>> Windows, people that will never need to play Windows based games, people

>> that will never need to work with Microsoft based document formats other

>> than simple formatting, that will never need support from MOST people

>> they come across" then I would say, yes, Ubuntu is good for them.

>>

>

> Are you always this confused? I own three copies of XP, one of Vista. They

> are useful for gaming and gaming only as far as I am concerned. For real

> work, safe surfing and a stable OS, I prefer Ubuntu. Nothing hypocritical

> about that at all.

 

What is your idea of real work? The company I work for uses XP now and used

NT before that. Both OSs are very stable and we do real work here. I've

been using XP at home since it's release and I give it quite a workout. A

lot of database work, spreadsheets, photo processing, etc. It has been

extremely stable. I cannot remember when the OS crashed, it's been that

long. I've recently bought a Mac laptop for my son and I've taken the

eight-month desktop I bought him. The hardware in that is newer than the

hardware in my homebuilt system and it run Vista. Thus far, I've got no

complaints about Vista. It is extremely stable running Photoshop CS3,

Office 2007, WordPerfect Office X3, Nikon Capture NX, Sigma Photo Pro,

Olympus Studio, and a host of other apps. For my work, Windows is stable

and suits my needs. All of my hardware works, I can't see myself going

through the hoops you have to using Linux to get hardware to work.

Pete Stavrakoglou wrote:

> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

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>> Leythos wrote:

>>> In article <fb8noc$rbd$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>>>> Leythos wrote:

>>>>> In article <eXKO5u16HHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, a@b.com says...

>>>>>> And yes, I have used Ubuntu, quite a lot actually. I find it most

>>>>>> amusing that the default installation is that it erases Windows and

>>>>>> installs itself over.

>>>>> What's more amusing is that Alias keeps preaching Ubuntu as the

>>>>> solution for the masses, but he keeps running XP for the same reason

>>>>> that other people use Windows.

>>>> I only use Windows for gaming and that's only because the people who

>>>> make games don't make them for Ubuntu.

>>>>

>>>>> If he really believe in his preachings to the masses he would have got

>>>>> rid of all MS products and lived his message instead of being such a

>>>>> hypocrite.

>>>> With the exception of gaming, I *am* living my message and I'm not being

>>>> hypocritical at all.

>>> No, you're telling lies, you keep preaching how Ubuntu is what people

>>> need and that it's better than Windows, but you keep using Windows....

>>>

>>> You're exposed and a liar - If you're going to keep Windows, supporting

>>> Microsoft, for any reason, then you don't need Ubuntu - Windows does all

>>> that Ubuntu does, so there is no reason to have Ubuntu - there is no

>>> reason to complicate things with having TWO O/S's two sets of

>>> applications...

>>>

>>> You're living a lie and not being honest with people.

>>>

>>> If you said "Ubuntu is a good platform for people that don't need

>>> Windows, people that will never need to play Windows based games, people

>>> that will never need to work with Microsoft based document formats other

>>> than simple formatting, that will never need support from MOST people

>>> they come across" then I would say, yes, Ubuntu is good for them.

>>>

>> Are you always this confused? I own three copies of XP, one of Vista. They

>> are useful for gaming and gaming only as far as I am concerned. For real

>> work, safe surfing and a stable OS, I prefer Ubuntu. Nothing hypocritical

>> about that at all.

>

> What is your idea of real work? The company I work for uses XP now and used

> NT before that. Both OSs are very stable and we do real work here. I've

> been using XP at home since it's release and I give it quite a workout. A

> lot of database work, spreadsheets, photo processing, etc. It has been

> extremely stable. I cannot remember when the OS crashed, it's been that

> long. I've recently bought a Mac laptop for my son and I've taken the

> eight-month desktop I bought him. The hardware in that is newer than the

> hardware in my homebuilt system and it run Vista. Thus far, I've got no

> complaints about Vista. It is extremely stable running Photoshop CS3,

> Office 2007, WordPerfect Office X3, Nikon Capture NX, Sigma Photo Pro,

> Olympus Studio, and a host of other apps. For my work, Windows is stable

> and suits my needs. All of my hardware works, I can't see myself going

> through the hoops you have to using Linux to get hardware to work.

>

>

 

Ubuntu is BETTER than Windows because:

 

1. It's free

 

2. Not nearly as virus and malware prone.

 

3. The desktop can be configured in many more ways than Windows can and

you have more than one desktop. I have four.

 

4. It comes with over 21,000 free programs. Windows comes with NONE.

 

5. No activation or WGA CRAP.

 

6. It doesn't need Ninja hardware like Vista does.

 

7. You don't need to get another Ubuntu CD to install it in any language

you desire.

 

8. It's much more stable than Windows.

 

9. It never needs a defrag or clean up.

 

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Leythos wrote:

> In article <fbjilc$91f$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>>> LOL - Except that it's 100% true. The only people that still get their

>>> computers compromised are the "Stupid" ones. The information on how to

>>> start-up a new PC, how to protect it from malware, etc... has been

>>> around, on thousands of sites, in the news print, on TV, from friends,

>>> for decades - the only excuse for a compromised machine is being stupid.

>>>

>> The word you want is "ignorant" because they don't know any better. Just

>> because someone's intelligent doesn't mean they are aware of everything.

>

> No, being intentionally lacking understanding of something, notice the

> intentional, means they are stupid. There are very few people that have

> not read/listened/seen information about computer security, data theft,

> viruses, malware.... Only the "Stupid" don't look for a solution.

 

Most users think they have a solution because their computer came

bundled with McAfee or Norton. Most users do not read these groups or

any other technical web sites. Just because they are not spending their

time researching how to maintain a computer, doesn't mean they're

stupid. It means they have better things to do. With Ubuntu, there is no

need to do this research because it's, compared to Windows, practically

bullet proof.

>

> And none of this means that Ubuntu is a better solution since people

> still have to run Windows, as do you, in order to play popular games in

> addition to many other tasks.

 

For most people, games is the only thing and because most people already

have XP, they need buy nothing to move up to a real operating system.

 

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Leythos wrote:

> In article <fbjipu$91f$2@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>> Leythos wrote:

>>> In article <fbjhng$58h$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>>>> Leythos wrote:

>>>>> In article <fbjg3s$cn$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>>>>>> Leythos wrote:

>>>>>>> In article <fbgia1$q8q$2@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>>>>>>>> Leythos wrote:

>>>>>>>>> In article <uBcoTRX7HHA.5012@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>,

>>>>>>>>> iamalias@shoesgmail.com. says...

>>>>>>>>>> So, once again, it's a indisputable fact that WPA and WGA do NOTHING to

>>>>>>>>>> stop piracy and ONLY inconvenience paying customers. Live with it. Oh, I

>>>>>>>>>> forgot, you LIKE living with it :-)

>>>>>>>>> Wrong, it stopped Piracy, once the pirate was exposed the police were

>>>>>>>>> able to stop him - without WPA/WGA it would never have been stopped.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Does this mean you are conceding all the other points I made that you

>>>>>>>> snipped? One case where WGA worked does not stop piracy. Piracy is more

>>>>>>>> rampant now than it was ten years ago.

>>>>>>> No, I snipped what wasn't needed - WGA and WPA does work, just not a

>>>>>>> complete solution, but it does stop piracy in many cases.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>> It inconveniences paying customers MUCH more, MILLIONS more, times than

>>>>>> it catches any pirates.

>>>> No answer from Leythos. Everyone act surprised.

>>> None needed, already dismissed as FUD from the kook group.

>>>

>>>>>> What costs more, the bad PR due to this crap and all the activation

>>>>>> seats in India and Morocco or the so-called money lost due to piracy?

>>>>>> The former, of course, when you consider that most people are honest and

>>>>>> most people buy Windows with a computer, preinstalled.

>>>> No answer from Leythos. Everyone act surprised.

>>> None needed, already dismissed as FUD from the kook group.

>>>

>>>>>> I see post after post on the Ubuntu newsgroup and other forums of people

>>>>>> who switched *specifically* because they are sick and tired of having to

>>>>>> report to Redmond every time they reinstall Windows or upgrade some

>>>>>> hardware.

>>>>> And those people can't give one example where they were unable to do

>>>>> anything legal/ethical on their Windows PC's.

>>>> Didn't say they did.

>>> Then they didn't have a reason to switch, other than FUD.

>> False.

>

> No, and you admitted it - if they are doing legal/ethical things they

> have no problem. It seems that the remainder are either paranoid or

> doing illegal/unethical things.

>

>>>>> The perception of being a thief is completely based in FUD created by

>>>>> people like you.

>>>> No, you accepting it is just turning around so the Redmond shearers can

>>>> take more wool off your back.

>>> None needed, already dismissed as FUD from the kook group.

>> False.

>

> Nice attempt to change the truth.

>

>>>>> Complain all you like, your only point is that you don't like it because

>>>>> you don't.

>>>> The LAST thing I need when a NIC isn't behaving properly is to have to

>>>> activate FOUR bloody times and then have to call Morocco in order to use

>>>> MY computer. When that happened, I made the decision to learn Ubuntu and

>>>> I found out about Ubuntu on this very news group. Yeah, you're right I

>>>> don't like it and I am not alone. Only logic impaired fools like you

>>>> accept it as "normal".

>>> And you know that a NIC being changed does not cause activation to be

>>> triggered, a single NIC would not trigger it alone.

>> I changed a faulty NIC and I had to reactivate each time I rebooted for

>> four times and on the fifth reboot I was told my copy was not genuine

>> and had to call.

>

> And that means that it wasn't the ONLY thing that had changed since the

> last activation or that you had malware that corrupted the HASH for

> activation. A single change, like a NIC, does not trigger re-activation

> alone.

 

If the buggy WPA program worked properly, you would be right. It didn't

and I was inconvenienced big time. There was and isn't any malware on

that machine. Since I called and activated for real, that computer has

been fine for over two years.

>

>>> And yet you keep using Windows while telling people to switch to Ubuntu

>>> as their needed solution to Windows problems - yet you fail to tell them

>>> that they will still need windows (just like you do) in order to do

>>> common Windows things.

>> ONE thing: gaming.

>

> And that is a Major thing that many home users do with their PC's -

> which means that at this time Ubuntu is not ready for the masses - only

> ready for the tinkerers and hobby people.

>

 

Not so anymore. Most people use consoles to play games as they are

cheaper than high end graphics cards and the "new thing". Do you think

that Redmond made the XBox because they thought that gaming was only for

Windows computers?

 

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In article <fbjrdg$316$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

> Leythos wrote:

> > In article <fbjilc$91f$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

> >>> LOL - Except that it's 100% true. The only people that still get their

> >>> computers compromised are the "Stupid" ones. The information on how to

> >>> start-up a new PC, how to protect it from malware, etc... has been

> >>> around, on thousands of sites, in the news print, on TV, from friends,

> >>> for decades - the only excuse for a compromised machine is being stupid.

> >>>

> >> The word you want is "ignorant" because they don't know any better. Just

> >> because someone's intelligent doesn't mean they are aware of everything.

> >

> > No, being intentionally lacking understanding of something, notice the

> > intentional, means they are stupid. There are very few people that have

> > not read/listened/seen information about computer security, data theft,

> > viruses, malware.... Only the "Stupid" don't look for a solution.

>

> Most users think they have a solution because their computer came

> bundled with McAfee or Norton. Most users do not read these groups or

> any other technical web sites. Just because they are not spending their

> time researching how to maintain a computer, doesn't mean they're

> stupid. It means they have better things to do. With Ubuntu, there is no

> need to do this research because it's, compared to Windows, practically

> bullet proof.

>

> >

> > And none of this means that Ubuntu is a better solution since people

> > still have to run Windows, as do you, in order to play popular games in

> > addition to many other tasks.

>

> For most people, games is the only thing and because most people already

> have XP, they need buy nothing to move up to a real operating system.

 

Your bias is showing again, your lack of ability to make informed

decisions, your lack of technical ability....

 

Windows is an OS, a real OS, as was CPM, AIX, HPUX, Apple, Commodore,

etc.... Each has their place, each works well for the intended target.

Only a troll/Zealot would claim otherwise.

 

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In article <fbjrkl$3s1$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

> Not so anymore. Most people use consoles to play games as they are

> cheaper than high end graphics cards and the "new thing". Do you think

> that Redmond made the XBox because they thought that gaming was only for

> Windows computers?

 

At least 99% of the computers I see in homes also have at least 2

online, FPS games, most have 3-5. There are markets, you just don't

understand needs, that's why you fail to understand that Ubuntu is just

a hobby platform that doesn't do what people need in the majority of

cases.

 

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Leythos wrote:

> In article <fbjrkl$3s1$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>> Not so anymore. Most people use consoles to play games as they are

>> cheaper than high end graphics cards and the "new thing". Do you think

>> that Redmond made the XBox because they thought that gaming was only for

>> Windows computers?

>

> At least 99% of the computers I see in homes also have at least 2

> online, FPS games, most have 3-5. There are markets, you just don't

> understand needs, that's why you fail to understand that Ubuntu is just

> a hobby platform that doesn't do what people need in the majority of

> cases.

>

 

Well, a friend of mine and I have convinced dozens of Windows users to

become Ubuntu users and you have convinced zero Ubuntu users to switch

to Windows. ALL of them, without exception, tell us they are much

happier with Ubuntu than Windows. For the few who did games, we set up a

dual boot with XP. Most don't do games.

 

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Leythos wrote:

> In article <fbekso$k9e$3@aioe.org>, nonee@none.not says...

>> And I still disagree with you because of all of the

>> "you as a paying customer are guilty until proven innocent (IF our buggy

>> DRM doesn't screw up) until our checks indicate otherwise" treatment

>> from MS.

>

> I'm not proven anything

 

So you're a pirate then?

> - I'm asked to validate a license, like many

> other apps that are not MS's, and it's been around longer than MS was

> doing it.

 

Validate = prove or provide proof.

>

> Only people that suspect themselves as being guilty have your disease.

>

 

At least I'm not willingly bent over the table with Billy, Ballmer & Co.

lined up behind me taking it in the rear from MS while claiming others

have a 'disease' like you are Leythos.

 

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Leythos wrote:

> In article <fbfih4$6kj$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>> I'm not an "advocate". I am merely another user who is happy with Ubuntu

>> and wants to spread the good news because most people don't know about

>> it. Windows still has its uses.

>

> You are advocating

 

There is a difference between advocating and making a helpful

suggestion, which is exactly what alias and ray do!

> that people switch to Ubuntu, you have done it many

<snippity-snip tripe>

 

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