Re: Why Vists is sometimes no more useful than a pile of wet dogcrap

 

On 8/28/2007 2:47 PM On a whim, Frank pounded out on the keyboard

> Adam Albright wrote:

>

>> Underscore, should be able to, but knowing what an idiot you are,

>> maybe it is beyond you.

>>

>

> Sorry pal...the first electronics equipment I ever worked on starting in

> '61, was complex gear from Sperry Gyro & Texas Instrument. Obviously, I

> build all of our computers including the hardware, install all of the

> software and maintain our LAN/Network & server.

> That's why we don't have any issues, hardware, software, server or network.

> What's your excuse for not being able to get your one upgrade copy of

> Vista business running correctly?

> Oh, I forgot, it's MS's fault, right mr genius, mr computer expert?

> Sure it is!

> Frank

 

"Obviously"? Why is that obvious to us Frank? You build everything,

"including the hardware"?

 

These tidbits of info keep coming out and it keeps getting more

interesting Frank. First you were the business owner who made the

decision to move your business to Vista. Now you're also the computer

whiz who puts together all the machines. So this is a very different

scenario from an owner who makes a "business decision" to put his

business on a new OS (although not needed), as opposed to the techie who

wants to play with a new OS. So all your criticisms of consultants

being "afraid" to put Vista on client machines comes into a new light

with you being the "consultant" who put Vista on to your business. It's

much harder to justify the benefits of Vista from XP when you're dealing

with a client, and not just your right lobe.

 

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"Bill Yanaire" <bill@yanaire.com> wrote in

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> Give me a break. NOT a problem with hardware. It has happend to me

> and my hardware is just fine. Just because you haven't experienced

> the problem doesn't mean squat.

> It's the lame Vista that is having problems. How on earth did you

> come up

> with that explanation, being an MVP?

 

Probably a standard scripted answer, being an MVP.

 

Software guys blaming the hardware...hardware guys blaming the software.

 

That's just the way it is.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message

> news:%23ckueMZ6HHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>> The problem is with your hardware, not Windows Vista.

>> I suggest you purchase a new computer with Vista preinstalled

>> and install at least 2GB RAM. I have the following computer

>> and have not experienced any of the issues you constantly

>> rant about.

>>

>> HP Pavilion a1748x Athlon 64 X2 3800+ 2.0 GHz Desktop - Refurbished

>> http://www.pcmall.com/pcmall/shop/detail.asp?dpno=7263850&Redir=1&desc

>> ription=HP-Pavilion%20a1748x%20Athlon%2064%20X2%203800+%202.0%20GHz%20

>> Desktop%20-%20Refurbished-Desktop%20Computers

>>

>> BTW, this "refurbished" HP computer is "brand new". The only thing

>> that was refurbished is the BIOS. It was updated to be optimized for

>> Vista's extraordinary performance. I have not had one single problem

>> with this machine. Total cost with 2GB RAM: $450 + Tax & shipping.

>>

>> --

>> Carey Frisch

>> Microsoft MVP

>> Windows Shell/User

>>

>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

>>

>> "Adam Albright" wrote:

>>

>> Because it is badly flawed and prone to give bogus information,

>> that's why!

>>

>> Take the following example. I move small batches of video files

>> constantly. Sometimes between various internal drives, other times to

>> external drives. I installed the so-called KB "patches" that is

>> suppose to address slow file transfers. The bottom line, sometimes

>> Vista is reasonably fast with them, other times it is inexcusably

>> slow and so damn stupid in what it reports that it is laughable. Like

>> just now. I tried to move six lousy files, totaling just under 3.5

>> GB. Normally at most this should take about a minute and a half to

>> maybe in extreme cases two minutes to move to a USB 2.0 external

>> drive even under the worst conditions. This drive was already "spun

>> up" none of the files were "in use" elsewhere, I was doing nothing

>> else, so there are simply no excuses for such miserable poor

>> performance. None, nada, zero.

>>

>> Well lets see how fuc*ed up Vista really is...

>>

>> It starts out, I click on the show more details option to monitor

>> progress. The time remaining calculation starts climbing. First it

>> shows 5 minutes, (twice as long as it should take) then rapidly goes

>> to absurd estimates, first reporting 12 hours, then 23 hours and five

>> minutes, still climbing, gets to two days and 19 hours. Almost 68

>> hours to move 3.5 GB! Over the course of an actual 5 minutes and 16

>> seconds it really took to move these files dumb as dirt Vista showed

>> anything from 15 hours remaining to once briefly showing 4 days and 6

>> hours with it jumping all over the place in between.

>>

>> The idiots of Redmond should be so damn ashamed of this pile of crap

>> called Vista that they never show their faces in public even again.

>> Microsoft should be laughed out of the software industry for

>> releasing this kind of garbage. These simply is no damn excuse for

>> file transfers to take this long when every other shell you can get

>> is many times faster.

>>

>> WHY THE HELL DOESN'T MICROSOFT FIX THEIR CRAP?

>>

>> Maybe the real answer is they simply don't have the programmers that

>> know how to fix it.

>>

>

>

>

"Stan Kay" <stan.kay@ntlworld.com> wrote in message

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> Adam,

>

> In my experience intermittent faults are usually caused by hardware issues

> rather than software issues. For example, recently an issue has been

> identified with Western Digital Raptor hard drive running under Vista.

> This issue has been thoroughly investigated at Toms Hardware:-

>

> http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/wd-raptor-nvidia-g80-dont-play-nice-with-vista,review-2336.html

>

 

 

This is interesting. I have two Raptors in RAID-0 and have been really

pissed off that they run so much faster in XP.

 

ss.

On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:47:04 -0700, Frank <fb@nospan.crm> wrote:

>Adam Albright wrote:

>> Underscore, should be able to, but knowing what an idiot you are,

>> maybe it is beyond you.

>Sorry pal...the first electronics equipment I ever worked on starting in

>'61, was complex gear from Sperry Gyro & Texas Instrument.

 

So what, I got you beat, I BUILT, literally, part by part, a color

television when I was a teen. This is actually building, since you

need to correctly identify by color bands and other markings the

hundreds of resistors, capacitors, transistors, diodes, etc., then one

by one solder them in place. Make one mistake, Poof!

>Obviously I build all of our computers including the hardware, install all of the

>software and maintain our LAN/Network & server.

 

Just shows what a Bozo you truly are. You don't BUILD computers, you

simply assemble them. It's child's play. Only a fool like you would

suggest you build a motherboard, hard drive, memory or some expansion

card. All ANYONE does is slip PREBUILT hardware into a MB slot, screw

it down and/or connect a couple connectors. So easy... even a caveman

could do it.

>That's why we don't have any issues, hardware, software, server or network.

 

Bullshit. You would never admit you have issues because you're on

record crawling up Microsoft's ass as their biggest fan and supporter.

>What's your excuse for not being able to get your one upgrade copy of

>Vista business running correctly?

 

I didn't write Vista. If I was involved with writing some of the code,

then it would have been tested better to AVOID these kinds of stupid

mistakes.

>Oh, I forgot, it's MS's fault, right mr genius, mr computer expert?

 

Exactly. It is Microsoft's fault and that is confirmed by Microsoft's

admission by making hotfixes available now to address the issue and

will no doubt will include, probably improved further in SP1.

 

Of course a blowhard like you can't bring yourself to admit you are

wrong, can you. No, so you resort to what you always do, you lie your

worthless ass off and pretend I can't get Vista to work. You're just a

lying skunk, fool and all around dumbass. Honest, I really do enjoy

exposing you as the doofus you are.

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

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> On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:34:03 -0700, "Vista User"

> <VistaRules@NoSpam.net> wrote:

>

>

>>Well it must be the crap hardware your running. I'm sure it not the

>>pompous

>>a$$hole at the keyboard.

>

> I'm sure Seagate will appreciate your stupid comments. They presently

> make some of the best drives and are the only ones that come with a

> five year warranty, others if you're lucky give you just a one year

> warranty.

>

 

Your full of crap as usual my 64+ Western Digital Raptors have a 5 year

warranty.

Maybe you should do some research before you post. You might just learn

something.

On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:50:10 -0700, Frank <fb@nospan.crm> wrote:

>Adam Albright wrote:

>

>> On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:34:03 -0700, "Vista User"

>> <VistaRules@NoSpam.net> wrote:

>>

>>

>>

>>>Well it must be the crap hardware your running. I'm sure it not the pompous

>>>a$$hole at the keyboard.

>>

>>

>> I'm sure Seagate will appreciate your stupid comments. They presently

>> make some of the best drives and are the only ones that come with a

>> five year warranty, others if you're lucky give you just a one year

>> warranty.

>>

>

>Really? Then I must have gotten very lucky cause all of our WD Raptors

>come with a 5 yr warranty.

 

As usual you lie about everything. You're comparing apples and

oranges. Consumer grade verses enterprise models. And do note the ***

footnote.

 

http://support.wdc.com/warranty/policy.asp#policy

On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:13:45 -0500, DanS

<t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote:

>"Bill Yanaire" <bill@yanaire.com> wrote in

>news:eRcDrYZ6HHA.4436@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:

>

>> Give me a break. NOT a problem with hardware. It has happend to me

>> and my hardware is just fine. Just because you haven't experienced

>> the problem doesn't mean squat.

>> It's the lame Vista that is having problems. How on earth did you

>> come up

>> with that explanation, being an MVP?

>

>Probably a standard scripted answer, being an MVP.

>

>Software guys blaming the hardware...hardware guys blaming the software.

>

>That's just the way it is.

 

I just want to get an answer to one question...

 

What came first, the chicken or the egg?

Re: Why Vists is sometimes no more useful than a pile of wet dogcrap

 

Frank wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>> Frank wrote:

>>

>>> Alias wrote:

>>>

>>>> One would think that an MVP would know how to build his own computer

>>>> and not have to buy one from HP.

>>>>

>>>

>>> Why is that?

>>> Frank

>>

>>

>> Own an HP do you? Or do you go for Dells?

>>

>> LOL!

>>

>> Oh, and if you have to ask, you'll never know.

>>

>

> Oops..can't answer the question huh?

> Oops.

> Frank

 

I did answer the question. You just didn't understand the answer.

 

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On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:09:25 -0700, "Terry R." <F1ComNOSPAM@pobox.com>

wrote:

>On 8/28/2007 2:47 PM On a whim, Frank pounded out on the keyboard

>

>> Adam Albright wrote:

>>

>>> Underscore, should be able to, but knowing what an idiot you are,

>>> maybe it is beyond you.

>>>

>>

>> Sorry pal...the first electronics equipment I ever worked on starting in

>> '61, was complex gear from Sperry Gyro & Texas Instrument. Obviously, I

>> build all of our computers including the hardware, install all of the

>> software and maintain our LAN/Network & server.

>> That's why we don't have any issues, hardware, software, server or network.

>> What's your excuse for not being able to get your one upgrade copy of

>> Vista business running correctly?

>> Oh, I forgot, it's MS's fault, right mr genius, mr computer expert?

>> Sure it is!

>> Frank

>

>"Obviously"? Why is that obvious to us Frank? You build everything,

>"including the hardware"?

>

>These tidbits of info keep coming out and it keeps getting more

>interesting Frank. First you were the business owner who made the

>decision to move your business to Vista. Now you're also the computer

>whiz who puts together all the machines. So this is a very different

>scenario from an owner who makes a "business decision" to put his

>business on a new OS (although not needed), as opposed to the techie who

>wants to play with a new OS. So all your criticisms of consultants

>being "afraid" to put Vista on client machines comes into a new light

>with you being the "consultant" who put Vista on to your business. It's

>much harder to justify the benefits of Vista from XP when you're dealing

>with a client, and not just your right lobe.

 

Frank is so full of sh*t he has to have holes in the bottom of his

shoes to let the excess drain out. I'm glad I'm not the only one that

noticed that our dear Frankie changes his story as often as most

people change their underwear. <giggle>

 

Frank's original story was he hired consultants that took six months

to get to the point Frankie would sign off on Vista for his

"business". Odd, very different than the picture Frankie is now trying

to paint. Just remember one thing about Frank. He's so full of sh*t,

nothing he claims can be believed at all.

 

Oh, Frank's "business" oddly does have something to do with sh*t. His

idea of rental property in Southern Europe which is claims to have:

Frank operates a string of these "fancy" outhouses.

 

http://www.outhousegraffiti.com/outhouse2.jpg

On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:10:37 -0700, "Vista User"

<VistaRules@NoSpam.net> wrote:

>

>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>news:fu29d3ttop417ltmsnsu5oi5ic6umb8iua@4ax.com...

>> On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:34:03 -0700, "Vista User"

>> <VistaRules@NoSpam.net> wrote:

>>

>>

>>>Well it must be the crap hardware your running. I'm sure it not the

>>>pompous

>>>a$$hole at the keyboard.

>>

>> I'm sure Seagate will appreciate your stupid comments. They presently

>> make some of the best drives and are the only ones that come with a

>> five year warranty, others if you're lucky give you just a one year

>> warranty.

>>

>

>Your full of crap as usual my 64+ Western Digital Raptors have a 5 year

>warranty.

>Maybe you should do some research before you post. You might just learn

>something.

 

Effective 8-1-07 and then only for SOME models.

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

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> What came first, the chicken or the egg?

 

 

It is a well known fact that the egg came first.

The fossil record shows eggs existed way before chickens existed.

That is enough proof to put that argument to bed.

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

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> On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:50:10 -0700, Frank <fb@nospan.crm> wrote:

>

>>Adam Albright wrote:

>>

>>> On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:34:03 -0700, "Vista User"

>>> <VistaRules@NoSpam.net> wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>>Well it must be the crap hardware your running. I'm sure it not the

>>>>pompous

>>>>a$$hole at the keyboard.

>>>

>>>

>>> I'm sure Seagate will appreciate your stupid comments. They presently

>>> make some of the best drives and are the only ones that come with a

>>> five year warranty, others if you're lucky give you just a one year

>>> warranty.

>>>

>>

>>Really? Then I must have gotten very lucky cause all of our WD Raptors

>>come with a 5 yr warranty.

>

> As usual you lie about everything. You're comparing apples and

> oranges. Consumer grade verses enterprise models. And do note the ***

> footnote.

>

> http://support.wdc.com/warranty/policy.asp#policy

>

>

 

Well your still full of crap Seagate does NOT provide 5 year warranty's on

all there drives.

And Western Digital does provide 5 year warranty's for some drives.

So your statement is as full of crap as you are.

 

Now dance monkey and tell us how you were talking about something else.

(your usual way of trying to not admit you were wrong again).

Re: Why Vists is sometimes no more useful than a pile of wet dogcrap

 

Vista User wrote:

>

> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

> news:9na9d3p6nj1c06s0qc655qpnjqcnol2ph7@4ax.com...

>> On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:50:10 -0700, Frank <fb@nospan.crm> wrote:

>>

>>> Adam Albright wrote:

>>>

>>>> On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:34:03 -0700, "Vista User"

>>>> <VistaRules@NoSpam.net> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>> Well it must be the crap hardware your running. I'm sure it not the

>>>>> pompous

>>>>> a$$hole at the keyboard.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> I'm sure Seagate will appreciate your stupid comments. They presently

>>>> make some of the best drives and are the only ones that come with a

>>>> five year warranty, others if you're lucky give you just a one year

>>>> warranty.

>>>>

>>>

>>> Really? Then I must have gotten very lucky cause all of our WD Raptors

>>> come with a 5 yr warranty.

>>

>> As usual you lie about everything. You're comparing apples and

>> oranges. Consumer grade verses enterprise models. And do note the ***

>> footnote.

>>

>> http://support.wdc.com/warranty/policy.asp#policy

>>

>>

>

> Well your still full of crap Seagate does NOT provide 5 year warranty's

> on all there drives.

> And Western Digital does provide 5 year warranty's for some drives.

> So your statement is as full of crap as you are.

>

> Now dance monkey and tell us how you were talking about something else.

> (your usual way of trying to not admit you were wrong again).

>

 

Yeah, but the warranty isn't very helpful if, like me, you had to send

the hard drive to Ireland, pay for the postage and wait a couple weeks

to get a good one back. It wouldn't have been much more expensive to

just buy a new one.

 

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On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 00:56:11 +0100, "dennis@home"

<dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:

>

>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>news:88b9d31gjbsjug8p8g7i72qng5e0e9aqvu@4ax.com...

>

>> What came first, the chicken or the egg?

>

>

>It is a well known fact that the egg came first.

>The fossil record shows eggs existed way before chickens existed.

>That is enough proof to put that argument to bed.

 

Who/what layed those eggs?

 

ROTFLMAO!

On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:03:00 -0700, "Vista User"

<VistaRules@NoSpam.net> wrote:

>

>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>news:9na9d3p6nj1c06s0qc655qpnjqcnol2ph7@4ax.com...

>> On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:50:10 -0700, Frank <fb@nospan.crm> wrote:

>>

>>>Adam Albright wrote:

>>>

>>>> On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:34:03 -0700, "Vista User"

>>>> <VistaRules@NoSpam.net> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>Well it must be the crap hardware your running. I'm sure it not the

>>>>>pompous

>>>>>a$$hole at the keyboard.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> I'm sure Seagate will appreciate your stupid comments. They presently

>>>> make some of the best drives and are the only ones that come with a

>>>> five year warranty, others if you're lucky give you just a one year

>>>> warranty.

>>>>

>>>

>>>Really? Then I must have gotten very lucky cause all of our WD Raptors

>>>come with a 5 yr warranty.

>>

>> As usual you lie about everything. You're comparing apples and

>> oranges. Consumer grade verses enterprise models. And do note the ***

>> footnote.

>>

>> http://support.wdc.com/warranty/policy.asp#policy

>>

>>

>

>Well your still full of crap Seagate does NOT provide 5 year warranty's on

>all there drives.

 

I didn't suggest they did, I simply showed Frankie misspeaking like he

always does. The difference, and it is an important one, until very

recently Seagate was the ONLY one to offer extended warranties on SOME

of their consumer grade drives. WD is playing catch up.

 

Hot headed little turnips like you get excited don't you.

Re: Why Vists is sometimes no more useful than a pile of wet dogcrap

 

Adam Albright wrote:

> Frank is so full of sh*t he has to have holes in the bottom of his

> shoes to let the excess drain out. I'm glad I'm not the only one that

> noticed that our dear Frankie changes his story as often as most

> people change their underwear. <giggle>

>

> Frank's original story was he hired consultants that took six months

> to get to the point Frankie would sign off on Vista for his

> "business". Odd, very different than the picture Frankie is now trying

> to paint. Just remember one thing about Frank. He's so full of sh*t,

> nothing he claims can be believed at all.

>

> Oh, Frank's "business" oddly does have something to do with sh*t. His

> idea of rental property in Southern Europe which is claims to have:

> Frank operates a string of these "fancy" outhouses.

>

 

<I think even when you're not on the Internet old man you dream about

Frank. It really is sad on your part that you can't get out of the house

and cruise about looking to molest someone real life, instead of your

molesting activities on the Internet. <g>>

Re: Why Vists is sometimes no more useful than a pile of wet dogcrap

 

Adam Albright wrote:

> On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 00:56:11 +0100, "dennis@home"

> <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:

>

>> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>> news:88b9d31gjbsjug8p8g7i72qng5e0e9aqvu@4ax.com...

>>

>>> What came first, the chicken or the egg?

>>

>> It is a well known fact that the egg came first.

>> The fossil record shows eggs existed way before chickens existed.

>> That is enough proof to put that argument to bed.

>

> Who/what layed those eggs?

 

<You did old man.>

>

> ROTFLMAO!

 

 

<Every time I look around, you're on the floor. It must be some kind of

a brain seizure happening with you. <g>>

"Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

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>>

>

> Yeah, but the warranty isn't very helpful if, like me, you had to send the

> hard drive to Ireland, pay for the postage and wait a couple weeks to get

> a good one back. It wouldn't have been much more expensive to just buy a

> new one.

>

 

It took ages to get my Raptors too. I am in the UK, and I don't remember if

I had to send them to Ireland at first, but the UPS tracking showed that

they went on to Germany and then to Bulgaria BEFORE the replacements were

even sent. Then there was a further delay as the model I have was out of

stock, so I eventually got upgraded to some limited editions especially made

for Dell, which had an 80GB capacity instead of 74GB. It took over three

weeks to get the replacements back, and this was on what was supposed to be

an ADVANCED RMA!!

 

ss.

Re: Why Vists is sometimes no more useful than a pile of wet dogcrap

 

Adam Albright wrote:

> On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 00:56:11 +0100, "dennis@home"

> <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:

>

>> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>> news:88b9d31gjbsjug8p8g7i72qng5e0e9aqvu@4ax.com...

>>

>>> What came first, the chicken or the egg?

>>

>> It is a well known fact that the egg came first.

>> The fossil record shows eggs existed way before chickens existed.

>> That is enough proof to put that argument to bed.

>

> Who/what layed those eggs?

>

> ROTFLMAO!

>

 

Not a chicken, that's for sure. Maybe Frank's distant relative: the

dinosaur.

 

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On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 01:48:29 +0100, "Synapse Syndrome"

<synapse@NOSPAMgomez404.elitemail.org> wrote:

>"Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>news:fb2d99$59q$1@aioe.org...

>>>

>>

>> Yeah, but the warranty isn't very helpful if, like me, you had to send the

>> hard drive to Ireland, pay for the postage and wait a couple weeks to get

>> a good one back. It wouldn't have been much more expensive to just buy a

>> new one.

>>

>

>It took ages to get my Raptors too. I am in the UK, and I don't remember if

>I had to send them to Ireland at first, but the UPS tracking showed that

>they went on to Germany and then to Bulgaria BEFORE the replacements were

>even sent. Then there was a further delay as the model I have was out of

>stock, so I eventually got upgraded to some limited editions especially made

>for Dell, which had an 80GB capacity instead of 74GB. It took over three

>weeks to get the replacements back, and this was on what was supposed to be

>an ADVANCED RMA!!

 

Holy Cow, that's awful slow service. Way back years ago I had an

external Maxtor in a case go bad (interface inside the enclosure, not

the drive itself) and Maxtor not only sent a replacement next day

FedX, they paid the freight on the return and even sent a pre filled

out shipping label to send the original back with. All they did as

protection is ask for a credit card number which they don't bill

unless the original drive don't show up in a week or so.

 

I thought things were suppose to be more progressive in Europe?

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

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>>> Yeah, but the warranty isn't very helpful if, like me, you had to send

>>> the

>>> hard drive to Ireland, pay for the postage and wait a couple weeks to

>>> get

>>> a good one back. It wouldn't have been much more expensive to just buy a

>>> new one.

>>>

>>

>>It took ages to get my Raptors too. I am in the UK, and I don't remember

>>if

>>I had to send them to Ireland at first, but the UPS tracking showed that

>>they went on to Germany and then to Bulgaria BEFORE the replacements were

>>even sent. Then there was a further delay as the model I have was out of

>>stock, so I eventually got upgraded to some limited editions especially

>>made

>>for Dell, which had an 80GB capacity instead of 74GB. It took over three

>>weeks to get the replacements back, and this was on what was supposed to

>>be

>>an ADVANCED RMA!!

>

> Holy Cow, that's awful slow service. Way back years ago I had an

> external Maxtor in a case go bad (interface inside the enclosure, not

> the drive itself) and Maxtor not only sent a replacement next day

> FedX, they paid the freight on the return and even sent a pre filled

> out shipping label to send the original back with. All they did as

> protection is ask for a credit card number which they don't bill

> unless the original drive don't show up in a week or so.

 

That was my experience of RMAing with Maxtor as well, and IIRC, you even got

a month to send to the faulty drives back. I am pretty appalled by Western

Digital's customer service in comparison.

 

ss.

Re: Why Vists is sometimes no more useful than a pile of wet dogcrap

 

Terry R. wrote:

> On 8/28/2007 2:47 PM On a whim, Frank pounded out on the keyboard

>

>> Adam Albright wrote:

>>

>>> Underscore, should be able to, but knowing what an idiot you are,

>>> maybe it is beyond you.

>>

>>

>> Sorry pal...the first electronics equipment I ever worked on starting

>> in '61, was complex gear from Sperry Gyro & Texas Instrument.

>> Obviously, I build all of our computers including the hardware,

>> install all of the software and maintain our LAN/Network & server.

>> That's why we don't have any issues, hardware, software, server or

>> network.

>> What's your excuse for not being able to get your one upgrade copy of

>> Vista business running correctly?

>> Oh, I forgot, it's MS's fault, right mr genius, mr computer expert?

>> Sure it is!

>> Frank

>

>

> "Obviously"? Why is that obvious to us Frank? You build everything,

> "including the hardware"?

 

Yeah...including the hardware. I select all of the hardware, assemble

and install it. That's normally how it happens. Why? It's not like I do

12 boxes all at once! It's been over an extended period of time. Some

boxes are the latest while others are running older hardware. The server

is running on an old BX mobo with a 1 gig Celeron.

>

> These tidbits of info keep coming out and it keeps getting more

> interesting Frank.

 

Really?

 

First you were the business owner who made the

> decision to move your business to Vista.

 

Yeah, an I still am...so?

 

Now you're also the computer

> whiz who puts together all the machines.

 

Yeah, I qualify as Field Engineer status in electronics...so?

 

So this is a very different

> scenario from an owner who makes a "business decision" to put his

> business on a new OS (although not needed), as opposed to the techie who

> wants to play with a new OS.

 

Really? So you can't or don't know how to do the whole ball game?

 

So all your criticisms of consultants

> being "afraid" to put Vista on client machines comes into a new light

> with you being the "consultant" who put Vista on to your business.

 

You have a point to make...as I seem to be missing it.

 

It's

> much harder to justify the benefits of Vista from XP when you're dealing

> with a client, and not just your right lobe.

 

Whatever that means...? I still don't get your point...that is if you

have one to make.

Frank

Re: Why Vists is sometimes no more useful than a pile of wet dogcrap

 

Adam Albright wrote:

>

> Frank's original story was he hired consultants that took six months

> to get to the point Frankie would sign off on Vista for his

> "business".

 

No, that's not at all what I said. You're either can't read or you're

just a fukkin drunk.

Which is it?

 

Odd, very different than the picture Frankie is now trying

> to paint.

 

Paint? Oh really? In what way? You care to post my original statements

or you just want to be remembered as being an lying idiot full of sh*t?

Your choice as*hole!

Make your move...we're waiting!

 

Just remember one thing about Frank. He's so full of sh*t,

> nothing he claims can be believed at all.

 

You're jealous or drunk or both? Which is it?

>

> Oh, Frank's "business" oddly does have something to do with sh*t. His

> idea of rental property in Southern Europe which is claims to have:

Frank operates a string of these "fancy" outhouses.

 

I don't have any "rental" properties in Europe. Never said that. You're

drunk again aren't you?

Frank

Re: Why Vists is sometimes no more useful than a pile of wet dogcrap

 

Adam Albright wrote:

 

>

> I didn't suggest they did, I simply showed Frankie misspeaking like he

> always does.

 

Hey as*hole...we've been using WD Raptors since '03 and they all have a

5 yr warranty.

You're an idiot!

 

The difference, and it is an important one, until very

> recently Seagate was the ONLY one to offer extended warranties on SOME

> of their consumer grade drives. WD is playing catch up.

 

WD Raptors don't have an "extended" warranty. They've always ha an out-

of-the-box 5 yr warranty.

You're really stupid aren't you.

Frank

Re: Why Vists is sometimes no more useful than a pile of wet dogcrap

 

Adam Albright wrote:

>

> Effective 8-1-07 and then only for SOME models.

>

Bullsh*t! We've been using Raptors since '03 and they all come with a 5

yr warranty.

You're an ignorant as*hole!

Frank