Frank wrote:

> thetruthhurts @homail.com wrote:

>> On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:16:23 -0800, Frank <fb@spamm.nrz> wrote:

>>

>>

>>> thetruthhurts @homail.com wrote:

>>>

>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:42:02 GMT, ato_zee@hotmail.com wrote:

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>>>> Reported here and elsewhere, it appears the WGA server is down

>>>>>>>> and any

>>>>>>>> attempts to validate will fail, leading Vista to think it is not a

>>>>>>>> valid

>>>>>>>> license and disable a number of features in the OS include Aero.

>>>>>

>>>>> What do you expect from a server running an MS OS?

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> I'm surprised it will only take a week to recover if a MS OS is

>>>> involved.

>>>

>>> Were you born this stupid or did you evolve into it?

>>> Frank

>>

>>

>> Yo tard, it were Linux it would not be down for a week.

>

> Yo as*hole, try getting your facts straight or just continue to make a

> complete retarded fool out of yourself.

> Loser!

> Frank

 

Enough, junior! It's off to the corner for you, Frankie!

 

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"the wharf rat" <wrat@panix.com> wrote in message

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> In article <FFE3747F-A046-4C25-97F6-7D3C3CFF7B06@microsoft.com>,

> DarkSentinel <darkmungesentinel@munge.charter.munge.net> wrote:

>>

>>So in 26 years of doing this, I have seen just about every damn thing

>>there

>

> Ipse dixit, eh? But how do we know you don't have 1 year of

> experience that you've simply repeated 26 times?

 

Well darn I don't know. I COULD have been in a fugue state. But dang there

were a lot of computers there. And I damn sure wasted a lot of gas driving

to offices, doing paperwork, running CAT5 up in the ceiling, setting up data

centers, adding and replacing external arrays, ad nauseam. Something also

paid the bills all those years too. Funny how my checks had names like

Digital Equipment Corporation, Unisys, Compaq on them. Darn, I must have

been fooled all those years. Thank you for pointing that out to me.

 

How do we know YOU have any experience. Nothing you have said so far proves

that you do.

> Allowing critical defects in the flagship product of the largest

> software development company in the world to appear in released software

> means their process is broken. Either they had bad requirements - having

> the explorer work properly wasn't one of them so it never made it into the

> test plan - or their test plan didn't adequately test the requirements,

> or the tests were bad, or they actually discovered this and someone said

> "We don't care. Shut up and ship it." The Ford Pinto approach to

> software development.

 

Name one piece of software that doesn't have bugs. Again, you seem not to

understand how things work in the REAL world.

> Just another example of the failure of the free market.

 

Apparently you do not understand how the free market works. Competition

spurs improvement. So if what you say is true, and Vista is a bad as you say

it is, then Microsoft apparently has NO serious competition. Means Linux is

a waste of time, because MS has no reason to improve. Which is it? You can't

have it both ways.

>>In the server and back end servers? MILLIONS. Say in all those lines there

>>is a 5 instead of a 6 somewhere, and it breaks everything.

>

> Ever heard the phrase "quality assurance"?

 

You just don't get it do you skippy? Unless it is an outright syntax error

or the like, how the hell is going to be caught until it goes into

production, and whatever triggers it occurs. Must be nice to live in your

perfect little world. The rest of us live in the REAL world however, and DO

have the experience to understand this. Again, I challenge you, produce a

perfectly coded piece of software, from ANY source. And I am talking a

production quality piece, not just a "Hello World" type.

 

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> the wharf rat wrote:

>> In article <FFE3747F-A046-4C25-97F6-7D3C3CFF7B06@microsoft.com>,

>> DarkSentinel <darkmungesentinel@munge.charter.munge.net> wrote:

>>> So in 26 years of doing this, I have seen just about every damn thing

>>> there

>>

>> Ipse dixit, eh? But how do we know you don't have 1 year of

>> experience that you've simply repeated 26 times? Allowing critical

>> defects in the flagship product of the largest

>> software development company in the world to appear in released software

>> means their process is broken. Either they had bad requirements - having

>> the explorer work properly wasn't one of them so it never made it into

>> the test plan - or their test plan didn't adequately test the

>> requirements, or the tests were bad, or they actually discovered this and

>> someone said "We don't care. Shut up and ship it." The Ford Pinto

>> approach to

>> software development.

>

> It appears he's neglected to learn that he doesn't know everything yet. So

> DS can get off his high and mighty soapbox now.

 

What soapbox? Because I have experience and pointed out where things were

wrong? I see, it's ok for the smacktards babble incessantly about something

they apparently know nothing about, but no one can disagree?

 

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> DarkSentinel wrote:

>> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

>> news:#upPz#6VIHA.5160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>> DarkSentinel wrote:

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

>>>> news:O#Z7GZtVIHA.2368@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>>> DarkSentinel wrote:

>>>>>> <ato_zee@hotmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>>> news:47864ae2$0$13939$fa0fcedb@news.zen.co.uk...

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> >> Reported here and elsewhere, it appears the WGA server is down

>>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>>> any

>>>>>>>> >> attempts to validate will fail, leading Vista to think it is

>>>>>>>> not a

>>>>>>>> >> valid

>>>>>>>> >> license and disable a number of features in the OS include Aero.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> What do you expect from a server running an MS OS?

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Well if you think that any other server is not prone to failure, you

>>>>>> haven't been in the business for very long. Do you or any of us know

>>>>>> EXACTLY what caused it to fail? No? Drive could have failed, an

>>>>>> array. Who knows. All that statement shows is that you are an MS

>>>>>> hater, and didn't take the time to find the underlying cause. I

>>>>>> suppose if it had been any other OS besides an MS one, you would have

>>>>>> been the first in line to say it HAD to be a hardware failure huh?

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> It's not the first time though is it?

>>>>>

>>>>> Making potentially millions of paying customers vulnerable to a glitch

>>>>> on "Your" machine by having a failure on your part actually lock down

>>>>> "Their" machines is bad business practice, it has little to do with

>>>>> what OS is on the machine. To be unable to use "That" machine for a

>>>>> time is something we all can live with, being unable to use "My"

>>>>> machine because some damned server quit is NOT ETHICAL, it is NOT GOOD

>>>>> BUSINESS and I thought we were assured it would not happen again. So

>>>>> much for that assurance then.

>>>>>

>>>>> I don't think there's a whole lot of difference between server

>>>>> systems, the simple fact is they all get broken from time to time and

>>>>> so does hardware. Would people who support the behavior that causes a

>>>>> remote machine to damage their machine react differently if the

>>>>> software involved was something they consider spyware or malware? You

>>>>> bet they would, so what's this doing if not the same thing?

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> The point here was that he made a blatantly FALSE statement, not one

>>>> based on facts. The ONLY noted issue on the WGA servers was in August

>>>> of 2007. Do a Google and find out. Before commenting one should be SURE

>>>> of the facts, not just parrot the other smacktards.

>>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> As alias pointed out "So far", that is the concern. I have been denied

>>> access a number of times for no apparent reason, including it seems new

>>> drivers installed automatically. WGA / Activation are clearly related

>>> and together if not individually are a "Kill" switch for much of the OS.

>>> So no, it is NOT the "First" time, whether an official server issue or

>>> not.

>>

>> Well seeing as I have THAT smacktard firmly ensconced in my KF, I would

>> have no idea what he said, and even if I did, he has exactly ZERO

>> credibility from what I read before I put him there. I like many others

>> have had exactly zero problems validating. How do you explain that? As

>> for the other problems I have no idea what caused it. I DO however have

>> experience that the smacktards don't. I ran a 65 server, 240 seat

>> network. I have built and supported multiple OS servers and networks that

>> supported MS, MS/Novell, Linux, and Apple clients. I have setup web

>> appliances that ran 2K/IIS, RH/Inktomi, and Oracle/Solaris. And that is

>> the tip of the iceberg. I have worked for Unisys, DEC/Compaq/HP through

>> the buyouts. I know damn well there are crashes, hardware failures, and

>> the like. Some caused by my dipsh*t predecessors not knowing what the

>> hell they were doing. Updates breaking the software. I have compiled my

>> own kernels, and seen what happens when you get just ONE little thing

>> wrong.

>>

>> So in 26 years of doing this, I have seen just about every damn thing

>> there is to see. If I have learned NOTHING else, it is that where

>> computer systems are concerned, sh*t happens. How many lines of code are

>> contained in Vista? In the server and back end servers? MILLIONS. Say in

>> all those lines there is a 5 instead of a 6 somewhere, and it breaks

>> everything. And don't even try to say that is unacceptable. NO ONE is

>> perfect. What if everyone tried to hold YOU to that standard. You

>> couldn't live up to it, no better than I could. All the anti-MS

>> smacktards need to get their heads out of their collective asses, and

>> look at the REAL world.

>>

>

>

> Right, and I am not anti MS or anything else, I simply feel that from my

> personal experience they have made a bad decision business wise.

>

> I don't have accurate numbers but I have had about 6 instances where a

> perfectly good setup has suddenly become invalidated, 3 of them I recall

> due to "Hardware changes" that never happened, the machine was simply

> rebooted and suddenly I have made significant hardware changes - right.

>

> At this time I don't administer any significant number of machines except

> my own, but if I was doing so the kinds of numbers you speak of then such

> a failure would be a real pain in the backside.

>

> Since I have an MSDN subscription I do not know if the revalidation has

> used the same license or used up another one, I don't know how that would

> work, but if a retail customer or someone like my company that buts OEM

> stuff from time to time has only one valid key what happens then?

>

> Now, I am pleased you have not had problems, but I have to ask that if MS

> phone support never deny reactivation what the hell is the point? How does

> this stop piracy? If 20 of us copy a DVD and all use the same key how do

> MS know which of us has the genuine copy? Over the years I am sure we have

> ALL broken the EULA somehow by accident. I'm sure I have but can't tell

> you how because if I did so it was accidental so I don't know how I did

> it. Numerous times I have dual booted 2 copies of the same OS simply for

> security purposes - same machine - only one can be used at a time - but

> sometimes you need a backup system to repair the first if something breaks

> it. Is that illegal? Hmm.

>

> I could be entirely wrong, maybe this added inconvenience is doing some

> good for MS, but if it is I can't see how.

 

I never said I AGREED with the WGA or anything or that sort. What I WAS

pointing out that no system is perfect no matter HOW much the trolls try to

say it should be. I loathe some of MS's business practices, but yet I do

understand also that they DO have a right to try and protect their property

no matter how misguided the approach may be. You have no idea how many times

I have cussed MS because I got called in on my day off when a PDC has

crashed partially, and forced a browser election, and THEN triggered a

broadcast storm that effectively shut down the network, having to try and

recover email from a .pst over 2GB, or how screwed up their DNS

implementation was under NT, ad nauseam.

 

A perfect system would have made MY life a HELL of a lot easier. But I have

been around long enough to know that no matter how much I may wish it, the

real world has this innate way of coming back and biting you in the ass.

Programs crash, hardware fails. It sucks rhino balls, but until someone

comes up with a viable alternative, we just have to deal with it.

 

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> "DarkSentinel" <darkmungesentinel@munge.charter.munge.net> wrote in

> message news:FFE3747F-A046-4C25-97F6-7D3C3CFF7B06@microsoft.com...

>> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

>> news:#upPz#6VIHA.5160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>> DarkSentinel wrote:

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

>>>> news:O#Z7GZtVIHA.2368@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>>> DarkSentinel wrote:

>>>>>> <ato_zee@hotmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>>> news:47864ae2$0$13939$fa0fcedb@news.zen.co.uk...

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> >> Reported here and elsewhere, it appears the WGA server is down

>>>>>>>> >> and

>>>>>>>> any

>>>>>>>> >> attempts to validate will fail, leading Vista to think it is not

>>>>>>>> >> a

>>>>>>>> >> valid

>>>>>>>> >> license and disable a number of features in the OS include Aero.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> What do you expect from a server running an MS OS?

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Well if you think that any other server is not prone to failure, you

>>>>>> haven't been in the business for very long. Do you or any of us know

>>>>>> EXACTLY what caused it to fail? No? Drive could have failed, an

>>>>>> array. Who knows. All that statement shows is that you are an MS

>>>>>> hater, and didn't take the time to find the underlying cause. I

>>>>>> suppose if it had been any other OS besides an MS one, you would have

>>>>>> been the first in line to say it HAD to be a hardware failure huh?

>>>>> It's not the first time though is it?

>>>>>

>>>>> Making potentially millions of paying customers vulnerable to a glitch

>>>>> on "Your" machine by having a failure on your part actually lock down

>>>>> "Their" machines is bad business practice, it has little to do with

>>>>> what OS is on the machine. To be unable to use "That" machine for a

>>>>> time is something we all can live with, being unable to use "My"

>>>>> machine because some damned server quit is NOT ETHICAL, it is NOT GOOD

>>>>> BUSINESS and I thought we were assured it would not happen again. So

>>>>> much for that assurance then.

>>>>>

>>>>> I don't think there's a whole lot of difference between server

>>>>> systems, the simple fact is they all get broken from time to time and

>>>>> so does hardware. Would people who support the behavior that causes a

>>>>> remote machine to damage their machine react differently if the

>>>>> software involved was something they consider spyware or malware? You

>>>>> bet they would, so what's this doing if not the same thing?

>>>> The point here was that he made a blatantly FALSE statement, not one

>>>> based on facts. The ONLY noted issue on the WGA servers was in August

>>>> of 2007. Do a Google and find out. Before commenting one should be SURE

>>>> of the facts, not just parrot the other smacktards.

>>> As alias pointed out "So far", that is the concern. I have been denied

>>> access a number of times for no apparent reason, including it seems new

>>> drivers installed automatically. WGA / Activation are clearly related

>>> and together if not individually are a "Kill" switch for much of the OS.

>>> So no, it is NOT the "First" time, whether an official server issue or

>>> not.

>>

>> Well seeing as I have THAT smacktard firmly ensconced in my KF, I would

>> have no idea what he said, and even if I did, he has exactly ZERO

>> credibility from what I read before I put him there. I like many others

>> have had exactly zero problems validating. How do you explain that? As

>> for the other problems I have no idea what caused it. I DO however have

>> experience that the smacktards don't. I ran a 65 server, 240 seat

>> network. I have built and supported multiple OS servers and networks that

>> supported MS, MS/Novell, Linux, and Apple clients. I have setup web

>> appliances that ran 2K/IIS, RH/Inktomi, and Oracle/Solaris. And that is

>> the tip of the iceberg. I have worked for Unisys, DEC/Compaq/HP through

>> the buyouts. I know damn well there are crashes, hardware failures, and

>> the like. Some caused by my dipsh*t predecessors not knowing what the

>> hell they were doing. Updates breaking the software. I have compiled my

>> own kernels, and seen what happens when you get just ONE little thing

>> wrong.

>>

>> So in 26 years of doing this, I have seen just about every damn thing

>> there is to see. If I have learned NOTHING else, it is that where

>> computer systems are concerned, sh*t happens. How many lines of code are

>> contained in Vista? In the server and back end servers? MILLIONS. Say in

>> all those lines there is a 5 instead of a 6 somewhere, and it breaks

>> everything. And don't even try to say that is unacceptable. NO ONE is

>> perfect. What if everyone tried to hold YOU to that standard. You

>> couldn't live up to it, no better than I could. All the anti-MS

>> smacktards need to get their heads out of their collective asses, and

>> look at the REAL world.

>

> Just because some of us may not like something Microsoft does

> and voice our dissatisfaction, does not make us "anti-Microsoft".

> Yes, some do go overboard and some are here just to troll.

> There are those of us who actually want a better Windows OS

> and want Microsoft to be a better company. It has nothing to

> do with hate or animosity.... we are simply expressing our opinions.

> Change does not come by silence or inaction. Since the betas, there

> have been a couple of things that Microsoft changed because of the

> uproar created. They also recently changed their policy on Vista's "kill

> switch".

> They redid and reworded part of the Vista license right before RTM, based

> on the uproar created.... much of it created here in this forum by us beta

> testers.

>

> I am amazed at how many folks get so defensive when Microsoft or

> Windows are criticized or someone says they have a problem.... it's like

> you insulted their mother. It's quite ridiculous, really.

>

> I use Microsoft products everyday, and for the most part find them

> superior

> to other offerings. Especially, the Office products. When I stopped

> using

> WinXP for every day work, it was like losing a friend. Corny, I know. I

> still

> have a laptop that has WinXP Pro and I keep it updated and do some stuff

> on it. I will convert that to Vista at some point, I already have a

> license for

> it. But, I know that will be the final goodbye to WinXP, so I hold on a

> bit.

>

> With all that ramblin' said, if I feel Microsoft or Windows has a problem,

> I will say so, and I will say it loud and clear. If that offends, too

> bad.

 

Again, what I was pointing out was that NO system is perfect no matter how

much we wish it. It is a premise that the trolls fail to understand.

 

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> On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:42:02 GMT, ato_zee@hotmail.com wrote:

>

>>

>>> >> Reported here and elsewhere, it appears the WGA server is down and

>>> >> any

>>> >> attempts to validate will fail, leading Vista to think it is not a

>>> >> valid

>>> >> license and disable a number of features in the OS include Aero.

>>

>>What do you expect from a server running an MS OS?

>

>

> I'm surprised it will only take a week to recover if a MS OS is

> involved.

 

You just proved the point I have been trying to make skippy. Good job.

 

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NO DEAR, THAT WRONG , YOU SHOULD USE ms WEBSITE TO DOWNLOAD LATEST SOFTWARE

AND MAKE YOUR computer up to dateso if you have any problem with you

Operating system Windows Genuine validation try an other Microsoft Windows

Genuine and Valid Product key, you have one? if not then i can give you a

Genuine and Valid Windows product key , tell me if you need one,

thanks n good luck

--

i wanna give you best possible solution of your Windows troubleshootings /

operating system problems, Dear, my E-Mail address is johncityny@hotmail.com,

you can feel free to e-mail me any time,

 

 

"Tom Porterfield" wrote:

> Reported here and elsewhere, it appears the WGA server is down and any

> attempts to validate will fail, leading Vista to think it is not a valid

> license and disable a number of features in the OS include Aero.

>

> My recommendation is that you DO NOT do anything that would cause Vista

> to attempt to validate, such as downloading software from MS that

> requires validation.

>

> WGA critics, let's here what you have to say.

> --

> Tom Porterfield

>

1- Don't reply to posts more than a month old.

2- Don't use your real email in newsgroups.

3- Don't post 'keys' here, either.

 

Welcome to Usenet...

Johnnn,

How many users have you given that same Product Key to today? I've counted

2 already.

Your kind of "help" we don't need.

 

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"johnnn" <johncityny@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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> NO DEAR, THAT WRONG , YOU SHOULD USE ms WEBSITE TO DOWNLOAD LATEST

> SOFTWARE

> AND MAKE YOUR computer up to dateso if you have any problem with you

> Operating system Windows Genuine validation try an other Microsoft Windows

> Genuine and Valid Product key, you have one? if not then i can give you a

> Genuine and Valid Windows product key , tell me if you need one,

> thanks n good luck

> --

> i wanna give you best possible solution of your Windows troubleshootings /

> operating system problems, Dear, my E-Mail address is

> johncityny@hotmail.com,

> you can feel free to e-mail me any time,

>

>

> "Tom Porterfield" wrote:

>

>> Reported here and elsewhere, it appears the WGA server is down and any

>> attempts to validate will fail, leading Vista to think it is not a valid

>> license and disable a number of features in the OS include Aero.

>>

>> My recommendation is that you DO NOT do anything that would cause Vista

>> to attempt to validate, such as downloading software from MS that

>> requires validation.

>>

>> WGA critics, let's here what you have to say.

>> --

>> Tom Porterfield

>>

"johnnn" <johncityny@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:300A79A0-87E6-46B7-9C00-1C0F235FE719@microsoft.com...

> NO DEAR, THAT WRONG , YOU SHOULD USE ms WEBSITE TO DOWNLOAD LATEST

> SOFTWARE

> AND MAKE YOUR computer up to dateso if you have any problem with you

> Operating system Windows Genuine validation try an other Microsoft Windows

> Genuine and Valid Product key, you have one? if not then i can give you a

> Genuine and Valid Windows product key , tell me if you need one,

> thanks n good luck

> --

> i wanna give you best possible solution of your Windows troubleshootings /

> operating system problems, Dear, my E-Mail address is

> johncityny@hotmail.com,

> you can feel free to e-mail me any time,

>

>

Back away from the computer

The Genuine and Valid product key comes from the person actually 'buying' a

copy of Windows Vista, not from borrowing yours. You are in breach of your

licence agreement if you are letting other people use your own product key.

As for activation all that the person who has your key will get is 'product

key already in use' You are not helping anyone by suggesting you can supply

them with a key, you are only causing them more trouble.

 

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"johnnn" <johncityny@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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> NO DEAR, THAT WRONG , YOU SHOULD USE ms WEBSITE TO DOWNLOAD LATEST

> SOFTWARE

> AND MAKE YOUR computer up to dateso if you have any problem with you

> Operating system Windows Genuine validation try an other Microsoft Windows

> Genuine and Valid Product key, you have one? if not then i can give you a

> Genuine and Valid Windows product key , tell me if you need one,

> thanks n good luck

> --

> i wanna give you best possible solution of your Windows troubleshootings /

> operating system problems, Dear, my E-Mail address is

> johncityny@hotmail.com,

> you can feel free to e-mail me any time,

>

>

> "Tom Porterfield" wrote:

>

>> Reported here and elsewhere, it appears the WGA server is down and any

>> attempts to validate will fail, leading Vista to think it is not a valid

>> license and disable a number of features in the OS include Aero.

>>

>> My recommendation is that you DO NOT do anything that would cause Vista

>> to attempt to validate, such as downloading software from MS that

>> requires validation.

>>

>> WGA critics, let's here what you have to say.

>> --

>> Tom Porterfield

>>

"johnnn" <johncityny@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:300A79A0-87E6-46B7-9C00-1C0F235FE719@microsoft.com...

> NO DEAR, THAT WRONG , YOU SHOULD USE ms WEBSITE TO DOWNLOAD LATEST

> SOFTWARE

> AND MAKE YOUR computer up to dateso if you have any problem with you

> Operating system Windows Genuine validation try an other Microsoft Windows

> Genuine and Valid Product key, you have one? if not then i can give you a

> Genuine and Valid Windows product key , tell me if you need one,

> thanks n good luck

> --

> i wanna give you best possible solution of your Windows troubleshootings /

> operating system problems, Dear, my E-Mail address is

> johncityny@hotmail.com,

> you can feel free to e-mail me any time,

>

>

> "Tom Porterfield" wrote:

>

>> Reported here and elsewhere, it appears the WGA server is down and any

>> attempts to validate will fail, leading Vista to think it is not a valid

>> license and disable a number of features in the OS include Aero.

>>

>> My recommendation is that you DO NOT do anything that would cause Vista

>> to attempt to validate, such as downloading software from MS that

>> requires validation.

>>

>> WGA critics, let's here what you have to say.

>> --

>> Tom Porterfield

>>

 

 

You need sharpening.. badly..

 

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On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 09:26:14 -0400, "smbdymf" <smbdymf@smbdymf.com>

wrote:

>Back away from the computer

 

I once heard a drill seargant tell somone that. You can try and

imagine that but unfortunately you really had to be there. "Sir !

Stand up ! YES SiR ! I said Stand Up !" >)

 

JD

i wanna address to all Windows Experts & MVPs about me

 

Dear,

The John Barnett MVP

i understand what you are here trying to tell me, but dear you don't know

something i know very well, i have the complete knowledge / studies of MS

Windows operating systems, so when i give anyone a sugestion it is hundred

percent Practical, true, real, precticalworking and functional, what i want

to say here is i am a MS Windows non-certified-professional and software

developer, you want to know what i can do? with MS Windows, i think you don't

, dear i have command on Windows media software development technology,

include Windows Product Activation and Microsoft Product Activcation and

Genuine Validation of MS Softwares.i can Genuine Validate any copy of

Microsoft software, because i have learnt the technology used by Microsoft

Windows Developer in Genuine Validate a copy of MS Softwares, including MS

Windows and MS Office. do you beleieve this? ya thats true i can do that with

best possible way, dear i can't make cracks of Windows system files, nor

replace some files , but i use the legal and original procedure used by MS

Windows official to genuine validate a copy of Windows, the product i give

them is the volume license Windows XP professional Product key, that key is

OEM product key and used in pre-installation envoirment of MS Windows in IBM

computer manufecturer, Inc, i know that any one can use that key in

installing MS Windows on there computer of IBM Brand... i will give you other

key next time please keep tell me your problems .. good bye try this, key by

your own then tell me , what you are telling me before if

i wanna give you best possible solution of your Windows troubleshootings /

operating system problems, Dear, my E-Mail address is johncityny@hotmail.com,

you can feel free to e-mail me any time,

 

 

"John Barnett MVP" wrote:

> The Genuine and Valid product key comes from the person actually 'buying' a

> copy of Windows Vista, not from borrowing yours. You are in breach of your

> licence agreement if you are letting other people use your own product key.

> As for activation all that the person who has your key will get is 'product

> key already in use' You are not helping anyone by suggesting you can supply

> them with a key, you are only causing them more trouble.

>

> --

> --

> John Barnett MVP

> Associate Expert

> Windows Desktop Experience

>

> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org

> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org

>

> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any

> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy,

> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable for

> any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of the

> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this

> mail/post..

>

>

> "johnnn" <johncityny@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> news:300A79A0-87E6-46B7-9C00-1C0F235FE719@microsoft.com...

> > NO DEAR, THAT WRONG , YOU SHOULD USE ms WEBSITE TO DOWNLOAD LATEST

> > SOFTWARE

> > AND MAKE YOUR computer up to dateso if you have any problem with you

> > Operating system Windows Genuine validation try an other Microsoft Windows

> > Genuine and Valid Product key, you have one? if not then i can give you a

> > Genuine and Valid Windows product key , tell me if you need one,

> > thanks n good luck

> > --

> > i wanna give you best possible solution of your Windows troubleshootings /

> > operating system problems, Dear, my E-Mail address is

> > johncityny@hotmail.com,

> > you can feel free to e-mail me any time,

> >

> >

> > "Tom Porterfield" wrote:

> >

> >> Reported here and elsewhere, it appears the WGA server is down and any

> >> attempts to validate will fail, leading Vista to think it is not a valid

> >> license and disable a number of features in the OS include Aero.

> >>

> >> My recommendation is that you DO NOT do anything that would cause Vista

> >> to attempt to validate, such as downloading software from MS that

> >> requires validation.

> >>

> >> WGA critics, let's here what you have to say.

> >> --

> >> Tom Porterfield

> >>

>

Re: i wanna address to all Windows Experts & MVPs about me

 

"johnnn" <johncityny@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:3BC5E1C8-A076-4FA9-80E7-43B95DA89935@microsoft.com...

 

<snipped>

 

Really, my goodness, you don't have anything else to do? No one cares. We'll

all chip in and get you a box of tissues for your issues. And you can stand

on the box of tissues and preach too.

Re: i wanna address to all Windows Experts & MVPs about me

 

"johnnn" <johncityny@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> news:3BC5E1C8-A076-4FA9-80E7-43B95DA89935@microsoft.com...

> <snipped>

 

If anyone knew it all, no one would be here.

No matter who you are, there are things to be learned from the group.

dear: John Barnett MVP, you are an most valueable professional but you have

no information about how i gave him the product key you also don't know how

the product keys are differents and work diffirents , the key i supply him is

the key you can use as many times as you can in any computer, thaat you don't

know about,

--

i wanna give you best possible solution of your Windows troubleshootings /

operating system problems, Dear, my E-Mail address is johncityny@hotmail.com,

you can feel free to e-mail me any time,

 

 

"John Barnett MVP" wrote:

> The Genuine and Valid product key comes from the person actually 'buying' a

> copy of Windows Vista, not from borrowing yours. You are in breach of your

> licence agreement if you are letting other people use your own product key.

> As for activation all that the person who has your key will get is 'product

> key already in use' You are not helping anyone by suggesting you can supply

> them with a key, you are only causing them more trouble.

>

> --

> --

> John Barnett MVP

> Associate Expert

> Windows Desktop Experience

>

> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org

> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org

>

> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any

> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy,

> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable for

> any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of the

> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this

> mail/post..

>

>

> "johnnn" <johncityny@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> news:300A79A0-87E6-46B7-9C00-1C0F235FE719@microsoft.com...

> > NO DEAR, THAT WRONG , YOU SHOULD USE ms WEBSITE TO DOWNLOAD LATEST

> > SOFTWARE

> > AND MAKE YOUR computer up to dateso if you have any problem with you

> > Operating system Windows Genuine validation try an other Microsoft Windows

> > Genuine and Valid Product key, you have one? if not then i can give you a

> > Genuine and Valid Windows product key , tell me if you need one,

> > thanks n good luck

> > --

> > i wanna give you best possible solution of your Windows troubleshootings /

> > operating system problems, Dear, my E-Mail address is

> > johncityny@hotmail.com,

> > you can feel free to e-mail me any time,

> >

> >

> > "Tom Porterfield" wrote:

> >

> >> Reported here and elsewhere, it appears the WGA server is down and any

> >> attempts to validate will fail, leading Vista to think it is not a valid

> >> license and disable a number of features in the OS include Aero.

> >>

> >> My recommendation is that you DO NOT do anything that would cause Vista

> >> to attempt to validate, such as downloading software from MS that

> >> requires validation.

> >>

> >> WGA critics, let's here what you have to say.

> >> --

> >> Tom Porterfield

> >>

>

Sounds like you're the one who doesn't know what you're talking about, as

none of the licences for Vista lets you use the product key on any

installation of Vista multiple times. Check the licence first before trying

to question an MVP.

 

"johnnn" <johncityny@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:7E743E1E-9AFC-4EE4-8D92-1693603C4BBE@microsoft.com...

> dear: John Barnett MVP, you are an most valueable professional but you

> have

> no information about how i gave him the product key you also don't know

> how

> the product keys are differents and work diffirents , the key i supply him

> is

> the key you can use as many times as you can in any computer, thaat you

> don't

> know about,

> --

> i wanna give you best possible solution of your Windows troubleshootings /

> operating system problems, Dear, my E-Mail address is

> johncityny@hotmail.com,

> you can feel free to e-mail me any time,

>

>

> "John Barnett MVP" wrote:

>

>> The Genuine and Valid product key comes from the person actually 'buying'

>> a

>> copy of Windows Vista, not from borrowing yours. You are in breach of

>> your

>> licence agreement if you are letting other people use your own product

>> key.

>> As for activation all that the person who has your key will get is

>> 'product

>> key already in use' You are not helping anyone by suggesting you can

>> supply

>> them with a key, you are only causing them more trouble.

>>

>> --

>> --

>> John Barnett MVP

>> Associate Expert

>> Windows Desktop Experience

>>

>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org

>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org

>>

>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any

>> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy,

>> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable

>> for

>> any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of

>> the

>> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this

>> mail/post..

>>

>>

>> "johnnn" <johncityny@hotmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:300A79A0-87E6-46B7-9C00-1C0F235FE719@microsoft.com...

>> > NO DEAR, THAT WRONG , YOU SHOULD USE ms WEBSITE TO DOWNLOAD LATEST

>> > SOFTWARE

>> > AND MAKE YOUR computer up to dateso if you have any problem with you

>> > Operating system Windows Genuine validation try an other Microsoft

>> > Windows

>> > Genuine and Valid Product key, you have one? if not then i can give you

>> > a

>> > Genuine and Valid Windows product key , tell me if you need one,

>> > thanks n good luck

>> > --

>> > i wanna give you best possible solution of your Windows

>> > troubleshootings /

>> > operating system problems, Dear, my E-Mail address is

>> > johncityny@hotmail.com,

>> > you can feel free to e-mail me any time,

>> >

>> >

>> > "Tom Porterfield" wrote:

>> >

>> >> Reported here and elsewhere, it appears the WGA server is down and any

>> >> attempts to validate will fail, leading Vista to think it is not a

>> >> valid

>> >> license and disable a number of features in the OS include Aero.

>> >>

>> >> My recommendation is that you DO NOT do anything that would cause

>> >> Vista

>> >> to attempt to validate, such as downloading software from MS that

>> >> requires validation.

>> >>

>> >> WGA critics, let's here what you have to say.

>> >> --

>> >> Tom Porterfield

>> >>

>>

(responding to this phrase)- >>>>You might add turn off auto updating

completely, thereby leaving yourself vulnerable to any zero day exploits,

but of course (Hopefully) preventing Microsoft's own zero day exploit. <<<

 

imo-

the update tool is anot an anit-virus protection exe, it only updates.

therefore turning it off actually halep reduce backdoor intruesion. because

inorder for the update to install on their own the VP-prgm has to be disable

for that period of time, so I have always did the notify selction and I open

the so call back door.

 

the fix does work from the posting by greg.

 

finn

 

"Charlie Tame" wrote:

> Tom Porterfield wrote:

> > Reported here and elsewhere, it appears the WGA server is down and any

> > attempts to validate will fail, leading Vista to think it is not a valid

> > license and disable a number of features in the OS include Aero.

> >

> > My recommendation is that you DO NOT do anything that would cause Vista

> > to attempt to validate, such as downloading software from MS that

> > requires validation.

> >

> > WGA critics, let's here what you have to say.

>

>

> Nothing much, it wasn't "If" but "When".

>

> You might add turn off auto updating completely, thereby leaving

> yourself vulnerable to any zero day exploits, but of course (Hopefully)

> preventing Microsoft's own zero day exploit.

>

> Do NOT turn your machine off at all if you don't have to.

>

> MS CANNOT MANAGE ONE SERVER!

>

> Why in hell would anyone entrust their business to such a ramshackle

> organization that cannot fix one server "Until Monday".

>

>

> They have no backups? No system for on the fly replacement? No redundancy?

>

> Something stinks here, badly.

>