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August 23, 200717 yr

Saucy wrote:

> "Saucy" <wow@now.brown.cow> wrote in message

> news:uKeK4VZ5HHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> 'Just visited a site call www shapeofdays com which says it does a

>> demonstration of the upcoming new flash player. I added it to my

>> Trusted Zone [set to medium-high+ / protected mode ON as I have

>> otherwise scripts off] refreshed, clicked on the area for the video

>> and IE7 froze.

>>

>> Concerned, I ran a virus scan [ClamWin]

>>

>> C:\Program Files\microsoft shared\VBA\VBA6\VBE6.DLL: Virut.set1.08 FOUND

>>

>> It opens a backdoor. I guess I'm "owned" ?? TG my backup USB drive is

>> powered off.

>>

>> *Sigh*

>>

>> Saucy

>

> P.S.

>

> Oh well, the count is now up to 2. I've got two since 1996 - the other

> was in 2001 when I ignored a warning to patch Windows 2000 when running

> IIS.

>

> This time, even though I had a small suspicion, I decided there'd be no

> harm in letting a JavaScript run. My bad. What concerns me though is

> that Protected Mode is ON in the zone the page ran in .. I thought it

> couldn't write outside certain folders. That's why I reported on this

> forum [yes, I know it's not 'official'].

>

> I'm glad I have the backup though.

>

> Saucy

Java? Clean out your *.jar files (java cache or archive files)!

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August 23, 200717 yr

Bill Yanaire wrote:

> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

> news:fakae7$57a$1@aioe.org...

>> Saucy wrote:

>>> "Bill Yanaire" <bill@yanaire.com> wrote in message

>>> news:u6rl0oZ5HHA.5424@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:fak8p6$u9q$5@aioe.org...

>>>>> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>>> news:fak7ld$sjc$2@aioe.org...

>>>>>>> Saucy wrote:

>>>>>>>> 'Just visited a site call www shapeofdays com which says it does a

>>>>>>>> demonstration of the upcoming new flash player. I added it to my

>>>>>>>> Trusted Zone [set to medium-high+ / protected mode ON as I have

>>>>>>>> otherwise scripts off] refreshed, clicked on the area for the video

>>>>>>>> and IE7 froze.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Concerned, I ran a virus scan [ClamWin]

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> C:\Program Files\microsoft shared\VBA\VBA6\VBE6.DLL: Virut.set1.08

>>>>>>>> FOUND

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> It opens a backdoor. I guess I'm "owned" ?? TG my backup USB drive

>>>>>>>> is powered off.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> *Sigh*

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Saucy

>>>>>>> Makes you wish you had Ubuntu, eh? -)

>>>>>> Oh that is what everybody wants to hear in this newsgroup. Wish you

>>>>>> had Ubuntu. That is why this group is called

>>>>>> microsoft.public.windows.vista.general !

>>>>> Even Vista users need help :-)

>>>>>

>>>>>> Typical crap from the Ubuntu Marketing Department. Spewing crap again

>>>>>> about the TOY OS.

>>>>> Vista is a toy, not Ubuntu.

>>>>>

>>>>>> In about 5 years Ubuntu/Linux will have about 3.4% of the market!

>>>>>> Everybody rush to upgrade!

>>>>> Vista is the best thing that ever happened to Linux. I predict that the

>>>>> market share will boom the next few years and when you mention Vista,

>>>>> people will giggle.

>>>> $$$$$$$$$$$ Oh yea, the market share will boom. One Quarter of One

>>>> Half of One Percent. Wow. Hold me Back!

>>>>

>>>> When you mention Linux/Ubuntu people say, "What the hell is that? I

>>>> thought General Motors named their cars better" !!!!

>>>>

>>>>> --

>>>>> Alias

>>>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>>>

>>>

>>> I think "Ubuntu" is something some politically correct granola cruching

>>> ex-hippie type dreamed up after visiting africa. Feel good, rainbows,

>>> hemp clothing we're all one drivel.

>> The billionaire that heads up Ubuntu is from South Africa. Please do your

>> research before you put your foot in your mouth, not after.

>>

>> From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_%28Linux_distribution%29

>>

>> Ubuntu (official IPA pronunciation /ùbúntú/(OO-BOON-TOO) is a

>> predominantly desktop-oriented Linux distribution, based on Debian

>> GNU/Linux but with a stronger focus on usability, regular releases, and

>> ease of installation. Ubuntu is sponsored by Canonical Ltd, owned by South

>> African entrepreneur Mark Shuttleworth the name of the distribution comes

>> from the African concept of ubuntu which may be rendered roughly as

>> "humanity toward others", though other meanings have been suggested.[5]

>>

>> The most recent version, Ubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn), was released on April

>> 19, 2007. Version 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) is scheduled for release on October

>> 18, 2007.[6] Ubuntu aims to use only free software to provide an

>> up-to-date yet stable operating system for the average user.

>>

>> Kubuntu and Xubuntu are official subprojects of the Ubuntu project, aiming

>> to bring the KDE and Xfce desktop environments to the Ubuntu core.

>> Edubuntu is an official subproject "designed for school environments, and

>> should be equally suitable for kids to use at home."[7]

>>

>> --

>> Alias

>> To email me, remove shoes

>

> So you can cut and paste. Did you do all that in Ubuntu? If so, pretty

> impressive!

Not a cut and paste but a *copy* and paste :-)

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August 23, 200717 yr

"Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com.> wrote in message

news:uW2C%23%23Z5HHA.464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:fakae7$57a$1@aioe.org...

>>> Saucy wrote:

>>>> "Bill Yanaire" <bill@yanaire.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:u6rl0oZ5HHA.5424@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>> news:fak8p6$u9q$5@aioe.org...

>>>>>> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>> news:fak7ld$sjc$2@aioe.org...

>>>>>>>> Saucy wrote:

>>>>>>>>> 'Just visited a site call www shapeofdays com which says it does a

>>>>>>>>> demonstration of the upcoming new flash player. I added it to my

>>>>>>>>> Trusted Zone [set to medium-high+ / protected mode ON as I have

>>>>>>>>> otherwise scripts off] refreshed, clicked on the area for the

>>>>>>>>> video and IE7 froze.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Concerned, I ran a virus scan [ClamWin]

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> C:\Program Files\microsoft shared\VBA\VBA6\VBE6.DLL: Virut.set1.08

>>>>>>>>> FOUND

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> It opens a backdoor. I guess I'm "owned" ?? TG my backup USB drive

>>>>>>>>> is powered off.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> *Sigh*

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Saucy

>>>>>>>> Makes you wish you had Ubuntu, eh? -)

>>>>>>> Oh that is what everybody wants to hear in this newsgroup. Wish you

>>>>>>> had Ubuntu. That is why this group is called

>>>>>>> microsoft.public.windows.vista.general !

>>>>>> Even Vista users need help :-)

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Typical crap from the Ubuntu Marketing Department. Spewing crap

>>>>>>> again about the TOY OS.

>>>>>> Vista is a toy, not Ubuntu.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> In about 5 years Ubuntu/Linux will have about 3.4% of the market!

>>>>>>> Everybody rush to upgrade!

>>>>>> Vista is the best thing that ever happened to Linux. I predict that

>>>>>> the market share will boom the next few years and when you mention

>>>>>> Vista, people will giggle.

>>>>> $$$$$$$$$$$ Oh yea, the market share will boom. One Quarter of One

>>>>> Half of One Percent. Wow. Hold me Back!

>>>>>

>>>>> When you mention Linux/Ubuntu people say, "What the hell is that? I

>>>>> thought General Motors named their cars better" !!!!

>>>>>

>>>>>> --

>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> I think "Ubuntu" is something some politically correct granola cruching

>>>> ex-hippie type dreamed up after visiting africa. Feel good, rainbows,

>>>> hemp clothing we're all one drivel.

>>> The billionaire that heads up Ubuntu is from South Africa. Please do

>>> your research before you put your foot in your mouth, not after.

>>>

>>> From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_%28Linux_distribution%29

>>>

>>> Ubuntu (official IPA pronunciation /ùbúntú/(OO-BOON-TOO) is a

>>> predominantly desktop-oriented Linux distribution, based on Debian

>>> GNU/Linux but with a stronger focus on usability, regular releases, and

>>> ease of installation. Ubuntu is sponsored by Canonical Ltd, owned by

>>> South African entrepreneur Mark Shuttleworth the name of the

>>> distribution comes from the African concept of ubuntu which may be

>>> rendered roughly as "humanity toward others", though other meanings have

>>> been suggested.[5]

>>>

>>> The most recent version, Ubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn), was released on

>>> April 19, 2007. Version 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) is scheduled for release on

>>> October 18, 2007.[6] Ubuntu aims to use only free software to provide an

>>> up-to-date yet stable operating system for the average user.

>>>

>>> Kubuntu and Xubuntu are official subprojects of the Ubuntu project,

>>> aiming to bring the KDE and Xfce desktop environments to the Ubuntu

>>> core. Edubuntu is an official subproject "designed for school

>>> environments, and should be equally suitable for kids to use at

>>> home."[7]

>>>

>>> --

>>> Alias

>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>

>> So you can cut and paste. Did you do all that in Ubuntu? If so, pretty

>> impressive!

>

> Not a cut and paste but a *copy* and paste :-)

>

> --

> Alias

> To email me, remove shoes

I didn't think Ubuntu could do cut n paste. Copy, .. yes .. .. Linux does

that all the time.

Saucy

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August 23, 200717 yr

Sequence of events on my computer with Vista Ultimate.

1. I receive no indication of infection (using NOD32 AV)

2. Takes me to Apple web site to load QuickTime

3. Trying to play video crashes Internet Explorer and causes a restart of

same.

Can't view video.

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Richard Urban

Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User

(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

"Saucy" <wow@now.brown.cow> wrote in message

news:%23DWrA0Z5HHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> "Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> news:%23y3hmuZ5HHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>> Hi Saucy,

>>

>> I'm on that web site now. Where did you click when you think you got

>> infected?

>>

>> --

>>

>> Regards,

>>

>> Richard Urban

>> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User

>> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)

>>

>> "Saucy" <wow@now.brown.cow> wrote in message

>> news:uKeK4VZ5HHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>> 'Just visited a site call www shapeofdays com which says it does a

>>> demonstration of the upcoming new flash player. I added it to my Trusted

>>> Zone [set to medium-high+ / protected mode ON as I have otherwise

>>> scripts off] refreshed, clicked on the area for the video and IE7 froze.

>>>

>>> Concerned, I ran a virus scan [ClamWin]

>>>

>>> C:\Program Files\microsoft shared\VBA\VBA6\VBE6.DLL: Virut.set1.08 FOUND

>>>

>>> It opens a backdoor. I guess I'm "owned" ?? TG my backup USB drive is

>>> powered off.

>>>

>>> *Sigh*

>>>

>>> Saucy

>>

>

> The infection *may* be a false positive .. but nothing's confirmed. I plan

> to attempt to send the file to ClamWin. Here's the website address:

>

> DO NOT VISIT MAY HAVE VIRUS

> http://theshapeofdays.com/2005/05/11/a-demonstration-of-h264-encoding.html

>

> There are a couple areas that demonstrate the new video. I clicked on one

> of them and my IE7 froze. It worried me so I ran ClamWin and it reported

> something. I hope it is a false positive. It was suggested, but I do not

> know that yet.

>

> Saucy

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August 23, 200717 yr

Saucy wrote:

> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com.> wrote in message

> news:uW2C%23%23Z5HHA.464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>>> news:fakae7$57a$1@aioe.org...

>>>> Saucy wrote:

>>>>> "Bill Yanaire" <bill@yanaire.com> wrote in message

>>>>> news:u6rl0oZ5HHA.5424@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>>> news:fak8p6$u9q$5@aioe.org...

>>>>>>> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>>> news:fak7ld$sjc$2@aioe.org...

>>>>>>>>> Saucy wrote:

>>>>>>>>>> 'Just visited a site call www shapeofdays com which says it

>>>>>>>>>> does a demonstration of the upcoming new flash player. I added

>>>>>>>>>> it to my Trusted Zone [set to medium-high+ / protected mode ON

>>>>>>>>>> as I have otherwise scripts off] refreshed, clicked on the

>>>>>>>>>> area for the video and IE7 froze.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Concerned, I ran a virus scan [ClamWin]

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> C:\Program Files\microsoft shared\VBA\VBA6\VBE6.DLL:

>>>>>>>>>> Virut.set1.08 FOUND

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> It opens a backdoor. I guess I'm "owned" ?? TG my backup USB

>>>>>>>>>> drive is powered off.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> *Sigh*

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Saucy

>>>>>>>>> Makes you wish you had Ubuntu, eh? -)

>>>>>>>> Oh that is what everybody wants to hear in this newsgroup. Wish

>>>>>>>> you had Ubuntu. That is why this group is called

>>>>>>>> microsoft.public.windows.vista.general !

>>>>>>> Even Vista users need help :-)

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Typical crap from the Ubuntu Marketing Department. Spewing crap

>>>>>>>> again about the TOY OS.

>>>>>>> Vista is a toy, not Ubuntu.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> In about 5 years Ubuntu/Linux will have about 3.4% of the

>>>>>>>> market! Everybody rush to upgrade!

>>>>>>> Vista is the best thing that ever happened to Linux. I predict

>>>>>>> that the market share will boom the next few years and when you

>>>>>>> mention Vista, people will giggle.

>>>>>> $$$$$$$$$$$ Oh yea, the market share will boom. One Quarter of

>>>>>> One Half of One Percent. Wow. Hold me Back!

>>>>>>

>>>>>> When you mention Linux/Ubuntu people say, "What the hell is that?

>>>>>> I thought General Motors named their cars better" !!!!

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> --

>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> I think "Ubuntu" is something some politically correct granola

>>>>> cruching ex-hippie type dreamed up after visiting africa. Feel

>>>>> good, rainbows, hemp clothing we're all one drivel.

>>>> The billionaire that heads up Ubuntu is from South Africa. Please do

>>>> your research before you put your foot in your mouth, not after.

>>>>

>>>> From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_%28Linux_distribution%29

>>>>

>>>> Ubuntu (official IPA pronunciation /ùbúntú/(OO-BOON-TOO) is a

>>>> predominantly desktop-oriented Linux distribution, based on Debian

>>>> GNU/Linux but with a stronger focus on usability, regular releases,

>>>> and ease of installation. Ubuntu is sponsored by Canonical Ltd,

>>>> owned by South African entrepreneur Mark Shuttleworth the name of

>>>> the distribution comes from the African concept of ubuntu which may

>>>> be rendered roughly as "humanity toward others", though other

>>>> meanings have been suggested.[5]

>>>>

>>>> The most recent version, Ubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn), was released on

>>>> April 19, 2007. Version 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) is scheduled for release

>>>> on October 18, 2007.[6] Ubuntu aims to use only free software to

>>>> provide an up-to-date yet stable operating system for the average user.

>>>>

>>>> Kubuntu and Xubuntu are official subprojects of the Ubuntu project,

>>>> aiming to bring the KDE and Xfce desktop environments to the Ubuntu

>>>> core. Edubuntu is an official subproject "designed for school

>>>> environments, and should be equally suitable for kids to use at

>>>> home."[7]

>>>>

>>>> --

>>>> Alias

>>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>>

>>> So you can cut and paste. Did you do all that in Ubuntu? If so,

>>> pretty impressive!

>>

>> Not a cut and paste but a *copy* and paste :-)

>>

>> --

>> Alias

>> To email me, remove shoes

>

> I didn't think Ubuntu could do cut n paste. Copy, .. yes .. .. Linux

> does that all the time.

>

> Saucy

Not only can it do it, you can paste whatever you've highlighted by

using the scroll button on your mouse with no need for cut or copy. May

I remind you that Linux is based on Unix which was around looooooooong

before Windows. May I also remind you that UAC is a copy of a feature in

Linux, as is Aero. Need I go on?

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Alias

To email me, remove shoes

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August 23, 200717 yr

"Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com.> wrote in message

news:ekJszFa5HHA.2108@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> Saucy wrote:

>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com.> wrote in message

>> news:uW2C%23%23Z5HHA.464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:fakae7$57a$1@aioe.org...

>>>>> Saucy wrote:

>>>>>> "Bill Yanaire" <bill@yanaire.com> wrote in message

>>>>>> news:u6rl0oZ5HHA.5424@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>> news:fak8p6$u9q$5@aioe.org...

>>>>>>>> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>>>> news:fak7ld$sjc$2@aioe.org...

>>>>>>>>>> Saucy wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>> 'Just visited a site call www shapeofdays com which says it does

>>>>>>>>>>> a demonstration of the upcoming new flash player. I added it to

>>>>>>>>>>> my Trusted Zone [set to medium-high+ / protected mode ON as I

>>>>>>>>>>> have otherwise scripts off] refreshed, clicked on the area for

>>>>>>>>>>> the video and IE7 froze.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Concerned, I ran a virus scan [ClamWin]

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> C:\Program Files\microsoft shared\VBA\VBA6\VBE6.DLL:

>>>>>>>>>>> Virut.set1.08 FOUND

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> It opens a backdoor. I guess I'm "owned" ?? TG my backup USB

>>>>>>>>>>> drive is powered off.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> *Sigh*

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Saucy

>>>>>>>>>> Makes you wish you had Ubuntu, eh? -)

>>>>>>>>> Oh that is what everybody wants to hear in this newsgroup. Wish

>>>>>>>>> you had Ubuntu. That is why this group is called

>>>>>>>>> microsoft.public.windows.vista.general !

>>>>>>>> Even Vista users need help :-)

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Typical crap from the Ubuntu Marketing Department. Spewing crap

>>>>>>>>> again about the TOY OS.

>>>>>>>> Vista is a toy, not Ubuntu.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> In about 5 years Ubuntu/Linux will have about 3.4% of the market!

>>>>>>>>> Everybody rush to upgrade!

>>>>>>>> Vista is the best thing that ever happened to Linux. I predict that

>>>>>>>> the market share will boom the next few years and when you mention

>>>>>>>> Vista, people will giggle.

>>>>>>> $$$$$$$$$$$ Oh yea, the market share will boom. One Quarter of One

>>>>>>> Half of One Percent. Wow. Hold me Back!

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> When you mention Linux/Ubuntu people say, "What the hell is that? I

>>>>>>> thought General Motors named their cars better" !!!!

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> --

>>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I think "Ubuntu" is something some politically correct granola

>>>>>> cruching ex-hippie type dreamed up after visiting africa. Feel good,

>>>>>> rainbows, hemp clothing we're all one drivel.

>>>>> The billionaire that heads up Ubuntu is from South Africa. Please do

>>>>> your research before you put your foot in your mouth, not after.

>>>>>

>>>>> From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_%28Linux_distribution%29

>>>>>

>>>>> Ubuntu (official IPA pronunciation /ùbúntú/(OO-BOON-TOO) is a

>>>>> predominantly desktop-oriented Linux distribution, based on Debian

>>>>> GNU/Linux but with a stronger focus on usability, regular releases,

>>>>> and ease of installation. Ubuntu is sponsored by Canonical Ltd, owned

>>>>> by South African entrepreneur Mark Shuttleworth the name of the

>>>>> distribution comes from the African concept of ubuntu which may be

>>>>> rendered roughly as "humanity toward others", though other meanings

>>>>> have been suggested.[5]

>>>>>

>>>>> The most recent version, Ubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn), was released on

>>>>> April 19, 2007. Version 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) is scheduled for release

>>>>> on October 18, 2007.[6] Ubuntu aims to use only free software to

>>>>> provide an up-to-date yet stable operating system for the average

>>>>> user.

>>>>>

>>>>> Kubuntu and Xubuntu are official subprojects of the Ubuntu project,

>>>>> aiming to bring the KDE and Xfce desktop environments to the Ubuntu

>>>>> core. Edubuntu is an official subproject "designed for school

>>>>> environments, and should be equally suitable for kids to use at

>>>>> home."[7]

>>>>>

>>>>> --

>>>>> Alias

>>>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>>>

>>>> So you can cut and paste. Did you do all that in Ubuntu? If so,

>>>> pretty impressive!

>>>

>>> Not a cut and paste but a *copy* and paste :-)

>>>

>>> --

>>> Alias

>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>

>> I didn't think Ubuntu could do cut n paste. Copy, .. yes .. .. Linux

>> does that all the time.

>>

>> Saucy

>

> Not only can it do it, you can paste whatever you've highlighted by using

> the scroll button on your mouse with no need for cut or copy. May I remind

> you that Linux is based on Unix which was around looooooooong before

> Windows. May I also remind you that UAC is a copy of a feature in Linux,

> as is Aero. Need I go on?

>

> --

> Alias

> To email me, remove shoes

No, you shouldn't go on. Linux has been around long before Windows and look

how much market share it has. That should tell you that you are preaching

in the wind!

A Free product that nobody wants. The people have spoken

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August 23, 200717 yr

"Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:ORoG%23Da5HHA.1168@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> Sequence of events on my computer with Vista Ultimate.

>

> 1. I receive no indication of infection (using NOD32 AV)

>

> 2. Takes me to Apple web site to load QuickTime

>

> 3. Trying to play video crashes Internet Explorer and causes a restart

> of same.

>

> Can't view video.

>

> --

>

> Regards,

>

> Richard Urban

> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User

> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)

> < chop >

>> Saucy

>

Thanks Mr. Urban for going to the effort. I think it is a co-incidence. The

IE7 froze, so I ran a thorough scan which only reported one file [VBE6.DLL]

as infected. I emailed ClamWin and followed their instructions for an online

scanner. Of a number of scanners only one - ClamAV (which uses the same

definition file as ClamWin) - reported anything. It's a false positive.

So my count is back to one. One in eleven years on the Windows plaform. Adam

Albright will be disappointed.

The results show only ClamWin reports anything:

Antivirus Version Last Update Result

AhnLab-V3 2007.8.22.0 2007.08.23 -

AntiVir 7.4.1.63 2007.08.23 -

Authentium 4.93.8 2007.08.23 -

Avast 4.7.1029.0 2007.08.23 -

AVG 7.5.0.484 2007.08.23 -

BitDefender 7.2 2007.08.23 -

CAT-QuickHeal 9.00 2007.08.23 -

****ClamAV 0.91 2007.08.23 *** Virut.set1.08

DrWeb 4.33 2007.08.23 -

eSafe 7.0.15.0 2007.08.23 -

eTrust-Vet 31.1.5082 2007.08.23 -

Ewido 4.0 2007.08.23 -

FileAdvisor 1 2007.08.23 -

Fortinet 2.91.0.0 2007.08.23 -

F-Prot 4.3.2.48 2007.08.23 -

F-Secure 6.70.13030.0 2007.08.23 -

Ikarus T3.1.1.12 2007.08.23 -

Kaspersky 4.0.2.24 2007.08.23 -

McAfee 5104 2007.08.23 -

Microsoft 1.2803 2007.08.23 -

NOD32v2 2479 2007.08.23 -

Norman 5.80.02 2007.08.23 -

Panda 9.0.0.4 2007.08.23 -

Prevx1 V2 2007.08.23 -

Rising 19.37.32.00 2007.08.23 -

Sophos 4.20.0 2007.08.23 -

Sunbelt 2.2.907.0 2007.08.23 -

Symantec 10 2007.08.23 -

TheHacker 6.1.8.171 2007.08.23 -

VBA32 3.12.2.3 2007.08.23 -

VirusBuster 4.3.26:9 2007.08.23 -

Webwasher-Gateway 6.0.1 2007.08.23 -

Thanks again,

Saucy

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August 23, 200717 yr

Bill Yanaire wrote:

> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com.> wrote in message

> news:ekJszFa5HHA.2108@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> Saucy wrote:

>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com.> wrote in message

>>> news:uW2C%23%23Z5HHA.464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>> news:fakae7$57a$1@aioe.org...

>>>>>> Saucy wrote:

>>>>>>> "Bill Yanaire" <bill@yanaire.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>> news:u6rl0oZ5HHA.5424@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>>> news:fak8p6$u9q$5@aioe.org...

>>>>>>>>> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>>>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>>>>> news:fak7ld$sjc$2@aioe.org...

>>>>>>>>>>> Saucy wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Just visited a site call www shapeofdays com which says it does

>>>>>>>>>>>> a demonstration of the upcoming new flash player. I added it to

>>>>>>>>>>>> my Trusted Zone [set to medium-high+ / protected mode ON as I

>>>>>>>>>>>> have otherwise scripts off] refreshed, clicked on the area for

>>>>>>>>>>>> the video and IE7 froze.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Concerned, I ran a virus scan [ClamWin]

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> C:\Program Files\microsoft shared\VBA\VBA6\VBE6.DLL:

>>>>>>>>>>>> Virut.set1.08 FOUND

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> It opens a backdoor. I guess I'm "owned" ?? TG my backup USB

>>>>>>>>>>>> drive is powered off.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sigh*

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Saucy

>>>>>>>>>>> Makes you wish you had Ubuntu, eh? -)

>>>>>>>>>> Oh that is what everybody wants to hear in this newsgroup. Wish

>>>>>>>>>> you had Ubuntu. That is why this group is called

>>>>>>>>>> microsoft.public.windows.vista.general !

>>>>>>>>> Even Vista users need help :-)

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Typical crap from the Ubuntu Marketing Department. Spewing crap

>>>>>>>>>> again about the TOY OS.

>>>>>>>>> Vista is a toy, not Ubuntu.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> In about 5 years Ubuntu/Linux will have about 3.4% of the market!

>>>>>>>>>> Everybody rush to upgrade!

>>>>>>>>> Vista is the best thing that ever happened to Linux. I predict that

>>>>>>>>> the market share will boom the next few years and when you mention

>>>>>>>>> Vista, people will giggle.

>>>>>>>> $$$$$$$$$$$ Oh yea, the market share will boom. One Quarter of One

>>>>>>>> Half of One Percent. Wow. Hold me Back!

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> When you mention Linux/Ubuntu people say, "What the hell is that? I

>>>>>>>> thought General Motors named their cars better" !!!!

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> --

>>>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>>>>>> I think "Ubuntu" is something some politically correct granola

>>>>>>> cruching ex-hippie type dreamed up after visiting africa. Feel good,

>>>>>>> rainbows, hemp clothing we're all one drivel.

>>>>>> The billionaire that heads up Ubuntu is from South Africa. Please do

>>>>>> your research before you put your foot in your mouth, not after.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_%28Linux_distribution%29

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Ubuntu (official IPA pronunciation /ùbúntú/(OO-BOON-TOO) is a

>>>>>> predominantly desktop-oriented Linux distribution, based on Debian

>>>>>> GNU/Linux but with a stronger focus on usability, regular releases,

>>>>>> and ease of installation. Ubuntu is sponsored by Canonical Ltd, owned

>>>>>> by South African entrepreneur Mark Shuttleworth the name of the

>>>>>> distribution comes from the African concept of ubuntu which may be

>>>>>> rendered roughly as "humanity toward others", though other meanings

>>>>>> have been suggested.[5]

>>>>>>

>>>>>> The most recent version, Ubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn), was released on

>>>>>> April 19, 2007. Version 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) is scheduled for release

>>>>>> on October 18, 2007.[6] Ubuntu aims to use only free software to

>>>>>> provide an up-to-date yet stable operating system for the average

>>>>>> user.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Kubuntu and Xubuntu are official subprojects of the Ubuntu project,

>>>>>> aiming to bring the KDE and Xfce desktop environments to the Ubuntu

>>>>>> core. Edubuntu is an official subproject "designed for school

>>>>>> environments, and should be equally suitable for kids to use at

>>>>>> home."[7]

>>>>>>

>>>>>> --

>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>>>> So you can cut and paste. Did you do all that in Ubuntu? If so,

>>>>> pretty impressive!

>>>> Not a cut and paste but a *copy* and paste :-)

>>>>

>>>> --

>>>> Alias

>>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>>

>>> I didn't think Ubuntu could do cut n paste. Copy, .. yes .. .. Linux

>>> does that all the time.

>>>

>>> Saucy

>> Not only can it do it, you can paste whatever you've highlighted by using

>> the scroll button on your mouse with no need for cut or copy. May I remind

>> you that Linux is based on Unix which was around looooooooong before

>> Windows. May I also remind you that UAC is a copy of a feature in Linux,

>> as is Aero. Need I go on?

>>

>> --

>> Alias

>> To email me, remove shoes

>

> No, you shouldn't go on. Linux has been around long before Windows and look

> how much market share it has. That should tell you that you are preaching

> in the wind!

It's growing now that it's more user friendly and safer than Windows.

> A Free product that nobody wants. The people have spoken

Um, you only speak for yourself.

--

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August 23, 200717 yr

On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:00:39 -0400, "Saucy" <wow@now.brown.cow> wrote:

>Thanks Mr. Urban for going to the effort. I think it is a co-incidence. The

>IE7 froze, so I ran a thorough scan which only reported one file [VBE6.DLL]

>as infected. I emailed ClamWin and followed their instructions for an online

>scanner. Of a number of scanners only one - ClamAV (which uses the same

>definition file as ClamWin) - reported anything. It's a false positive.

>

>So my count is back to one. One in eleven years on the Windows plaform. Adam

>Albright will be disappointed.

I couldn't care less what the dumb fu*ks that post here do because it

is painfully obvious most refuse to learn. If you've picked little

Richie as a useful resource, you have my sympathy, you'll need it.

The REAL reason MOV files freeze is Apple makes an even worse video

player then the crap Microsoft does called Media Player. BTW, that's

common knowledge.

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August 23, 200717 yr

Alias wrote:

> There used to be a big demand for IBM Selectric typewriters and the

> demand for computers didn't amount to much.

>

Nah...that analogy won't work.

Try again.

Frank

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August 23, 200717 yr

Frank wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>

>> There used to be a big demand for IBM Selectric typewriters and the

>> demand for computers didn't amount to much.

>>

>

> Nah...that analogy won't work.

> Try again.

> Frank

I didn't expect you to understand it.

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August 23, 200717 yr

"Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

news:fakg1v$lbl$1@aioe.org...

> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com.> wrote in message

>> news:ekJszFa5HHA.2108@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>> Saucy wrote:

>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com.> wrote in message

>>>> news:uW2C%23%23Z5HHA.464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>>> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>>> news:fakae7$57a$1@aioe.org...

>>>>>>> Saucy wrote:

>>>>>>>> "Bill Yanaire" <bill@yanaire.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>>> news:u6rl0oZ5HHA.5424@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>>>> news:fak8p6$u9q$5@aioe.org...

>>>>>>>>>> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>>>>>> news:fak7ld$sjc$2@aioe.org...

>>>>>>>>>>>> Saucy wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Just visited a site call www shapeofdays com which says it

>>>>>>>>>>>>> does a demonstration of the upcoming new flash player. I added

>>>>>>>>>>>>> it to my Trusted Zone [set to medium-high+ / protected mode ON

>>>>>>>>>>>>> as I have otherwise scripts off] refreshed, clicked on the

>>>>>>>>>>>>> area for the video and IE7 froze.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Concerned, I ran a virus scan [ClamWin]

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> C:\Program Files\microsoft shared\VBA\VBA6\VBE6.DLL:

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Virut.set1.08 FOUND

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> It opens a backdoor. I guess I'm "owned" ?? TG my backup USB

>>>>>>>>>>>>> drive is powered off.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sigh*

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saucy

>>>>>>>>>>>> Makes you wish you had Ubuntu, eh? -)

>>>>>>>>>>> Oh that is what everybody wants to hear in this newsgroup. Wish

>>>>>>>>>>> you had Ubuntu. That is why this group is called

>>>>>>>>>>> microsoft.public.windows.vista.general !

>>>>>>>>>> Even Vista users need help :-)

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Typical crap from the Ubuntu Marketing Department. Spewing crap

>>>>>>>>>>> again about the TOY OS.

>>>>>>>>>> Vista is a toy, not Ubuntu.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> In about 5 years Ubuntu/Linux will have about 3.4% of the

>>>>>>>>>>> market! Everybody rush to upgrade!

>>>>>>>>>> Vista is the best thing that ever happened to Linux. I predict

>>>>>>>>>> that the market share will boom the next few years and when you

>>>>>>>>>> mention Vista, people will giggle.

>>>>>>>>> $$$$$$$$$$$ Oh yea, the market share will boom. One Quarter of

>>>>>>>>> One Half of One Percent. Wow. Hold me Back!

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> When you mention Linux/Ubuntu people say, "What the hell is that?

>>>>>>>>> I thought General Motors named their cars better" !!!!

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> --

>>>>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>>>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>>>>>>> I think "Ubuntu" is something some politically correct granola

>>>>>>>> cruching ex-hippie type dreamed up after visiting africa. Feel

>>>>>>>> good, rainbows, hemp clothing we're all one drivel.

>>>>>>> The billionaire that heads up Ubuntu is from South Africa. Please do

>>>>>>> your research before you put your foot in your mouth, not after.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_%28Linux_distribution%29

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Ubuntu (official IPA pronunciation /ùbúntú/(OO-BOON-TOO) is a

>>>>>>> predominantly desktop-oriented Linux distribution, based on Debian

>>>>>>> GNU/Linux but with a stronger focus on usability, regular releases,

>>>>>>> and ease of installation. Ubuntu is sponsored by Canonical Ltd,

>>>>>>> owned by South African entrepreneur Mark Shuttleworth the name of

>>>>>>> the distribution comes from the African concept of ubuntu which may

>>>>>>> be rendered roughly as "humanity toward others", though other

>>>>>>> meanings have been suggested.[5]

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> The most recent version, Ubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn), was released on

>>>>>>> April 19, 2007. Version 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) is scheduled for release

>>>>>>> on October 18, 2007.[6] Ubuntu aims to use only free software to

>>>>>>> provide an up-to-date yet stable operating system for the average

>>>>>>> user.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Kubuntu and Xubuntu are official subprojects of the Ubuntu project,

>>>>>>> aiming to bring the KDE and Xfce desktop environments to the Ubuntu

>>>>>>> core. Edubuntu is an official subproject "designed for school

>>>>>>> environments, and should be equally suitable for kids to use at

>>>>>>> home."[7]

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> --

>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>>>>> So you can cut and paste. Did you do all that in Ubuntu? If so,

>>>>>> pretty impressive!

>>>>> Not a cut and paste but a *copy* and paste :-)

>>>>>

>>>>> --

>>>>> Alias

>>>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>>>

>>>> I didn't think Ubuntu could do cut n paste. Copy, .. yes .. .. Linux

>>>> does that all the time.

>>>>

>>>> Saucy

>>> Not only can it do it, you can paste whatever you've highlighted by

>>> using the scroll button on your mouse with no need for cut or copy. May

>>> I remind you that Linux is based on Unix which was around looooooooong

>>> before Windows. May I also remind you that UAC is a copy of a feature in

>>> Linux, as is Aero. Need I go on?

>>>

>>> --

>>> Alias

>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>

>> No, you shouldn't go on. Linux has been around long before Windows and

>> look how much market share it has. That should tell you that you are

>> preaching in the wind!

>

> It's growing now that it's more user friendly and safer than Windows.

>

>> A Free product that nobody wants. The people have spoken

>

> Um, you only speak for yourself.

Um, don't need to - The STATS have already spoken.

You can preach till the cows come home

>

> --

> Alias

> To email me, remove shoes

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Bill Yanaire wrote:

> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

> news:fakg1v$lbl$1@aioe.org...

>> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com.> wrote in message

>>> news:ekJszFa5HHA.2108@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>> Saucy wrote:

>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com.> wrote in message

>>>>> news:uW2C%23%23Z5HHA.464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>>>> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>> news:fakae7$57a$1@aioe.org...

>>>>>>>> Saucy wrote:

>>>>>>>>> "Bill Yanaire" <bill@yanaire.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>>>> news:u6rl0oZ5HHA.5424@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>>>>> news:fak8p6$u9q$5@aioe.org...

>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>>>>>>> news:fak7ld$sjc$2@aioe.org...

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saucy wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Just visited a site call www shapeofdays com which says it

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does a demonstration of the upcoming new flash player. I added

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it to my Trusted Zone [set to medium-high+ / protected mode ON

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as I have otherwise scripts off] refreshed, clicked on the

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> area for the video and IE7 froze.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Concerned, I ran a virus scan [ClamWin]

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> C:\Program Files\microsoft shared\VBA\VBA6\VBE6.DLL:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Virut.set1.08 FOUND

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It opens a backdoor. I guess I'm "owned" ?? TG my backup USB

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drive is powered off.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sigh*

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saucy

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Makes you wish you had Ubuntu, eh? -)

>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh that is what everybody wants to hear in this newsgroup. Wish

>>>>>>>>>>>> you had Ubuntu. That is why this group is called

>>>>>>>>>>>> microsoft.public.windows.vista.general !

>>>>>>>>>>> Even Vista users need help :-)

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Typical crap from the Ubuntu Marketing Department. Spewing crap

>>>>>>>>>>>> again about the TOY OS.

>>>>>>>>>>> Vista is a toy, not Ubuntu.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> In about 5 years Ubuntu/Linux will have about 3.4% of the

>>>>>>>>>>>> market! Everybody rush to upgrade!

>>>>>>>>>>> Vista is the best thing that ever happened to Linux. I predict

>>>>>>>>>>> that the market share will boom the next few years and when you

>>>>>>>>>>> mention Vista, people will giggle.

>>>>>>>>>> $$$$$$$$$$$ Oh yea, the market share will boom. One Quarter of

>>>>>>>>>> One Half of One Percent. Wow. Hold me Back!

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> When you mention Linux/Ubuntu people say, "What the hell is that?

>>>>>>>>>> I thought General Motors named their cars better" !!!!

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> --

>>>>>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>>>>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>>>>>>>> I think "Ubuntu" is something some politically correct granola

>>>>>>>>> cruching ex-hippie type dreamed up after visiting africa. Feel

>>>>>>>>> good, rainbows, hemp clothing we're all one drivel.

>>>>>>>> The billionaire that heads up Ubuntu is from South Africa. Please do

>>>>>>>> your research before you put your foot in your mouth, not after.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_%28Linux_distribution%29

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Ubuntu (official IPA pronunciation /ùbúntú/(OO-BOON-TOO) is a

>>>>>>>> predominantly desktop-oriented Linux distribution, based on Debian

>>>>>>>> GNU/Linux but with a stronger focus on usability, regular releases,

>>>>>>>> and ease of installation. Ubuntu is sponsored by Canonical Ltd,

>>>>>>>> owned by South African entrepreneur Mark Shuttleworth the name of

>>>>>>>> the distribution comes from the African concept of ubuntu which may

>>>>>>>> be rendered roughly as "humanity toward others", though other

>>>>>>>> meanings have been suggested.[5]

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> The most recent version, Ubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn), was released on

>>>>>>>> April 19, 2007. Version 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) is scheduled for release

>>>>>>>> on October 18, 2007.[6] Ubuntu aims to use only free software to

>>>>>>>> provide an up-to-date yet stable operating system for the average

>>>>>>>> user.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Kubuntu and Xubuntu are official subprojects of the Ubuntu project,

>>>>>>>> aiming to bring the KDE and Xfce desktop environments to the Ubuntu

>>>>>>>> core. Edubuntu is an official subproject "designed for school

>>>>>>>> environments, and should be equally suitable for kids to use at

>>>>>>>> home."[7]

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> --

>>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>>>>>> So you can cut and paste. Did you do all that in Ubuntu? If so,

>>>>>>> pretty impressive!

>>>>>> Not a cut and paste but a *copy* and paste :-)

>>>>>>

>>>>>> --

>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>>>>

>>>>> I didn't think Ubuntu could do cut n paste. Copy, .. yes .. .. Linux

>>>>> does that all the time.

>>>>>

>>>>> Saucy

>>>> Not only can it do it, you can paste whatever you've highlighted by

>>>> using the scroll button on your mouse with no need for cut or copy. May

>>>> I remind you that Linux is based on Unix which was around looooooooong

>>>> before Windows. May I also remind you that UAC is a copy of a feature in

>>>> Linux, as is Aero. Need I go on?

>>>>

>>>> --

>>>> Alias

>>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>> No, you shouldn't go on. Linux has been around long before Windows and

>>> look how much market share it has. That should tell you that you are

>>> preaching in the wind!

>> It's growing now that it's more user friendly and safer than Windows.

>>

>>> A Free product that nobody wants. The people have spoken

>> Um, you only speak for yourself.

>

> Um, don't need to - The STATS have already spoken.

>

> You can preach till the cows come home

Time will tell, now won't it?

--

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To email me, remove shoes

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August 23, 200717 yr

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

news:gpgrc39hqi8ft072gajk4osm020quv1uv7@4ax.com...

> On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:00:39 -0400, "Saucy" <wow@now.brown.cow> wrote:

>

>>.. what the dumb fu*ks that post here do because it

> is painfully obvious most refuse to learn. If you've picked little

> Richie as a useful resource, you have my sympathy, you'll need it.

> <snicker>

>

Lots of anger and hurt, eh? I'm sorry you feel bad, but yup, one virus in

eleven years of Windows on my desktop.

Saucy

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Bill Yanaire wrote:

> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

> news:fakg1v$lbl$1@aioe.org...

>> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com.> wrote in message

>>> news:ekJszFa5HHA.2108@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>> Saucy wrote:

>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com.> wrote in message

>>>>> news:uW2C%23%23Z5HHA.464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>>>> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>> news:fakae7$57a$1@aioe.org...

>>>>>>>> Saucy wrote:

>>>>>>>>> "Bill Yanaire" <bill@yanaire.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>>>> news:u6rl0oZ5HHA.5424@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>>>>> news:fak8p6$u9q$5@aioe.org...

>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>>>>>>> news:fak7ld$sjc$2@aioe.org...

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saucy wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Just visited a site call www shapeofdays com which says it

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does a demonstration of the upcoming new flash player. I added

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it to my Trusted Zone [set to medium-high+ / protected mode ON

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as I have otherwise scripts off] refreshed, clicked on the

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> area for the video and IE7 froze.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Concerned, I ran a virus scan [ClamWin]

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> C:\Program Files\microsoft shared\VBA\VBA6\VBE6.DLL:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Virut.set1.08 FOUND

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It opens a backdoor. I guess I'm "owned" ?? TG my backup USB

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drive is powered off.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sigh*

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saucy

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Makes you wish you had Ubuntu, eh? -)

>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh that is what everybody wants to hear in this newsgroup. Wish

>>>>>>>>>>>> you had Ubuntu. That is why this group is called

>>>>>>>>>>>> microsoft.public.windows.vista.general !

>>>>>>>>>>> Even Vista users need help :-)

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Typical crap from the Ubuntu Marketing Department. Spewing crap

>>>>>>>>>>>> again about the TOY OS.

>>>>>>>>>>> Vista is a toy, not Ubuntu.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> In about 5 years Ubuntu/Linux will have about 3.4% of the

>>>>>>>>>>>> market! Everybody rush to upgrade!

>>>>>>>>>>> Vista is the best thing that ever happened to Linux. I predict

>>>>>>>>>>> that the market share will boom the next few years and when you

>>>>>>>>>>> mention Vista, people will giggle.

>>>>>>>>>> $$$$$$$$$$$ Oh yea, the market share will boom. One Quarter of

>>>>>>>>>> One Half of One Percent. Wow. Hold me Back!

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> When you mention Linux/Ubuntu people say, "What the hell is that?

>>>>>>>>>> I thought General Motors named their cars better" !!!!

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> --

>>>>>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>>>>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>>>>>>>> I think "Ubuntu" is something some politically correct granola

>>>>>>>>> cruching ex-hippie type dreamed up after visiting africa. Feel

>>>>>>>>> good, rainbows, hemp clothing we're all one drivel.

>>>>>>>> The billionaire that heads up Ubuntu is from South Africa. Please do

>>>>>>>> your research before you put your foot in your mouth, not after.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_%28Linux_distribution%29

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Ubuntu (official IPA pronunciation /ùbúntú/(OO-BOON-TOO) is a

>>>>>>>> predominantly desktop-oriented Linux distribution, based on Debian

>>>>>>>> GNU/Linux but with a stronger focus on usability, regular releases,

>>>>>>>> and ease of installation. Ubuntu is sponsored by Canonical Ltd,

>>>>>>>> owned by South African entrepreneur Mark Shuttleworth the name of

>>>>>>>> the distribution comes from the African concept of ubuntu which may

>>>>>>>> be rendered roughly as "humanity toward others", though other

>>>>>>>> meanings have been suggested.[5]

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> The most recent version, Ubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn), was released on

>>>>>>>> April 19, 2007. Version 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) is scheduled for release

>>>>>>>> on October 18, 2007.[6] Ubuntu aims to use only free software to

>>>>>>>> provide an up-to-date yet stable operating system for the average

>>>>>>>> user.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Kubuntu and Xubuntu are official subprojects of the Ubuntu project,

>>>>>>>> aiming to bring the KDE and Xfce desktop environments to the Ubuntu

>>>>>>>> core. Edubuntu is an official subproject "designed for school

>>>>>>>> environments, and should be equally suitable for kids to use at

>>>>>>>> home."[7]

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> --

>>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>>>>>> So you can cut and paste. Did you do all that in Ubuntu? If so,

>>>>>>> pretty impressive!

>>>>>> Not a cut and paste but a *copy* and paste :-)

>>>>>>

>>>>>> --

>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>>>>

>>>>> I didn't think Ubuntu could do cut n paste. Copy, .. yes .. .. Linux

>>>>> does that all the time.

>>>>>

>>>>> Saucy

>>>> Not only can it do it, you can paste whatever you've highlighted by

>>>> using the scroll button on your mouse with no need for cut or copy. May

>>>> I remind you that Linux is based on Unix which was around looooooooong

>>>> before Windows. May I also remind you that UAC is a copy of a feature in

>>>> Linux, as is Aero. Need I go on?

>>>>

>>>> --

>>>> Alias

>>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>> No, you shouldn't go on. Linux has been around long before Windows and

>>> look how much market share it has. That should tell you that you are

>>> preaching in the wind!

>> It's growing now that it's more user friendly and safer than Windows.

>>

>>> A Free product that nobody wants. The people have spoken

>> Um, you only speak for yourself.

>

> Um, don't need to - The STATS have already spoken.

Do the stats you refer to really represent anything but numbers? They

don't take into account how the operating systems are marketed (or not),

nor do they take into account the fact that windows is ubiquitous in

that it is near the only choice in the mass market. I am not trying to

take anything away from what ms has accomplished, but the statistics

represent something less than the "people speaking". ymmv.

>

> You can preach till the cows come home

>> --

>> Alias

>> To email me, remove shoes

>

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On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 14:25:00 -0400, "Saucy" <wow@now.brown.cow> wrote:

>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>news:gpgrc39hqi8ft072gajk4osm020quv1uv7@4ax.com...

>> On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:00:39 -0400, "Saucy" <wow@now.brown.cow> wrote:

>>

>>>.. what the dumb fu*ks that post here do because it

>> is painfully obvious most refuse to learn. If you've picked little

>> Richie as a useful resource, you have my sympathy, you'll need it.

>> <snicker>

>>

>

>Lots of anger and hurt, eh? I'm sorry you feel bad, but yup, one virus in

>eleven years of Windows on my desktop.

So what? All that confirms is you are a member of the kiddies camp

that only plays with your computer and never ventures into the darker

regions of the Internet, Usenet or other areas some dumb dick like you

never even heard of.

The point that zooms way over the heads of the clueless like you is it

doesn't matter how many virus or Trojans or Worms or whatever

malicious crap your encounter in your travels, all that matters is

knowing what to do IF you happen to pick up something unwanted.

Obviously you don't know what to do as you confirmed. <snicker>

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"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

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> On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 14:25:00 -0400, "Saucy" <wow@now.brown.cow> wrote:

>

>>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>>news:gpgrc39hqi8ft072gajk4osm020quv1uv7@4ax.com...

>>> On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:00:39 -0400, "Saucy" <wow@now.brown.cow> wrote:

>>>

>>>>.. what the dumb fu*ks that post here do because it

>>> is painfully obvious most refuse to learn. If you've picked little

>>> Richie as a useful resource, you have my sympathy, you'll need it.

>>> <snicker>

>>>

>>

>>Lots of anger and hurt, eh? I'm sorry you feel bad, but yup, one virus in

>>eleven years of Windows on my desktop.

>

> So what? All that confirms is you are a member of the kiddies camp

> that only plays with your computer and never ventures into the darker

> regions of the Internet, Usenet or other areas some dumb dick like you

> never even heard of.

>

> The point that zooms way over the heads of the clueless like you is it

> doesn't matter how many virus or Trojans or Worms or whatever

> malicious crap your encounter in your travels, all that matters is

> knowing what to do IF you happen to pick up something unwanted.

>

> Obviously you don't know what to do as you confirmed. <snicker>

>

Travelling the Internet? It's not a world - it's a network. And yes, I made

a very conscious decision not to have anything to do with the virus writing

(even though I realized I was capable of it). You're only hurt that I've

proven Windows is relatively secure if one is only somewhat careful.

Saucy

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Adam Albright wrote:

> On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 14:25:00 -0400, "Saucy" <wow@now.brown.cow> wrote:

>

>> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>> news:gpgrc39hqi8ft072gajk4osm020quv1uv7@4ax.com...

>>> On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:00:39 -0400, "Saucy" <wow@now.brown.cow> wrote:

>>>

>>>> .. what the dumb fu*ks that post here do because it

>>> is painfully obvious most refuse to learn. If you've picked little

>>> Richie as a useful resource, you have my sympathy, you'll need it.

>>> <snicker>

>>>

>> Lots of anger and hurt, eh? I'm sorry you feel bad, but yup, one virus in

>> eleven years of Windows on my desktop.

>

> So what? All that confirms is you are a member of the kiddies camp

> that only plays with your computer and never ventures into the darker

> regions of the Internet, Usenet or other areas some dumb dick like you

> never even heard of.

>

> The point that zooms way over the heads of the clueless like you is it

> doesn't matter how many virus or Trojans or Worms or whatever

> malicious crap your encounter in your travels, all that matters is

> knowing what to do IF you happen to pick up something unwanted.

It probably is a very small subset of the masses that "know" what to do

if they pick up something nasty/malicious. The best offense is a good

defense, and that should include both tools (av, etc), and maybe more

so, knowledge.

>

> Obviously you don't know what to do as you confirmed. <snicker>

>

--

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Alias wrote:

> Frank wrote:

>

>> Alias wrote:

>>

>>> There used to be a big demand for IBM Selectric typewriters and the

>>> demand for computers didn't amount to much.

>>>

>>

>> Nah...that analogy won't work.

>> Try again.

>> Frank

>

> I didn't expect you to understand it.

>

Reading comprehension problems as*hole?

I didn't say I didn't understand.

I said that analogy won't work and it doesn't.

Try again if you can.

Frank

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Alias wrote:

>

> It's growing now that it's more user friendly and safer than Windows.

Horseshit! More of your fukkin lies!

>

> Um, you only speak for yourself.

>

So do you scumbag liar!

Frank

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"Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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> Hi Saucy,

>

> I'm on that web site now. Where did you click when you think you got

> infected?

>

> --

>

> Regards,

>

> Richard Urban

> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User

> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)

>

> "Saucy" <wow@now.brown.cow> wrote in message

> news:uKeK4VZ5HHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> 'Just visited a site call www shapeofdays com which says it does a

>> demonstration of the upcoming new flash player. I added it to my Trusted

>> Zone [set to medium-high+ / protected mode ON as I have otherwise scripts

>> off] refreshed, clicked on the area for the video and IE7 froze.

>>

>> Concerned, I ran a virus scan [ClamWin]

>>

>> C:\Program Files\microsoft shared\VBA\VBA6\VBE6.DLL: Virut.set1.08 FOUND

>>

>> It opens a backdoor. I guess I'm "owned" ?? TG my backup USB drive is

>> powered off.

>>

>> *Sigh*

>>

>> Saucy

>

Just an update: ClamWin's latest definitions [ out this afternoon :) ] do

not flag the file.

Saucy

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"Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message

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> Alias wrote:

>

>>

>> It's growing now that it's more user friendly and safer than Windows.

>

> Horseshit! More of your fukkin lies!

>

>>

>> Um, you only speak for yourself.

>>

>

> So do you scumbag liar!

> Frank

Don't blow a gasket! Remember, this is a guy who so bored with his Ubuntu he

comes to a Microsoft technical newsgroup to troll.

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"norm" <noone@afakeddomain.net> wrote in message

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> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:fakg1v$lbl$1@aioe.org...

>>> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com.> wrote in message

>>>> news:ekJszFa5HHA.2108@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>>> Saucy wrote:

>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com.> wrote in message

>>>>>> news:uW2C%23%23Z5HHA.464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>>>>> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>>> news:fakae7$57a$1@aioe.org...

>>>>>>>>> Saucy wrote:

>>>>>>>>>> "Bill Yanaire" <bill@yanaire.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>>>>> news:u6rl0oZ5HHA.5424@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>>>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>>>>>> news:fak8p6$u9q$5@aioe.org...

>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:fak7ld$sjc$2@aioe.org...

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saucy wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Just visited a site call www shapeofdays com which says it

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does a demonstration of the upcoming new flash player. I

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> added it to my Trusted Zone [set to medium-high+ / protected

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mode ON as I have otherwise scripts off] refreshed, clicked

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the area for the video and IE7 froze.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Concerned, I ran a virus scan [ClamWin]

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> C:\Program Files\microsoft shared\VBA\VBA6\VBE6.DLL:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Virut.set1.08 FOUND

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It opens a backdoor. I guess I'm "owned" ?? TG my backup USB

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drive is powered off.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sigh*

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saucy

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Makes you wish you had Ubuntu, eh? -)

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh that is what everybody wants to hear in this newsgroup.

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wish you had Ubuntu. That is why this group is called

>>>>>>>>>>>>> microsoft.public.windows.vista.general !

>>>>>>>>>>>> Even Vista users need help :-)

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Typical crap from the Ubuntu Marketing Department. Spewing

>>>>>>>>>>>>> crap again about the TOY OS.

>>>>>>>>>>>> Vista is a toy, not Ubuntu.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> In about 5 years Ubuntu/Linux will have about 3.4% of the

>>>>>>>>>>>>> market! Everybody rush to upgrade!

>>>>>>>>>>>> Vista is the best thing that ever happened to Linux. I predict

>>>>>>>>>>>> that the market share will boom the next few years and when you

>>>>>>>>>>>> mention Vista, people will giggle.

>>>>>>>>>>> $$$$$$$$$$$ Oh yea, the market share will boom. One Quarter of

>>>>>>>>>>> One Half of One Percent. Wow. Hold me Back!

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> When you mention Linux/Ubuntu people say, "What the hell is

>>>>>>>>>>> that? I thought General Motors named their cars better" !!!!

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> --

>>>>>>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>>>>>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>>>>>>>>> I think "Ubuntu" is something some politically correct granola

>>>>>>>>>> cruching ex-hippie type dreamed up after visiting africa. Feel

>>>>>>>>>> good, rainbows, hemp clothing we're all one drivel.

>>>>>>>>> The billionaire that heads up Ubuntu is from South Africa. Please

>>>>>>>>> do your research before you put your foot in your mouth, not

>>>>>>>>> after.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_%28Linux_distribution%29

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu (official IPA pronunciation /ùbúntú/(OO-BOON-TOO) is a

>>>>>>>>> predominantly desktop-oriented Linux distribution, based on Debian

>>>>>>>>> GNU/Linux but with a stronger focus on usability, regular

>>>>>>>>> releases, and ease of installation. Ubuntu is sponsored by

>>>>>>>>> Canonical Ltd, owned by South African entrepreneur Mark

>>>>>>>>> Shuttleworth the name of the distribution comes from the African

>>>>>>>>> concept of ubuntu which may be rendered roughly as "humanity

>>>>>>>>> toward others", though other meanings have been suggested.[5]

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> The most recent version, Ubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn), was released

>>>>>>>>> on April 19, 2007. Version 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) is scheduled for

>>>>>>>>> release on October 18, 2007.[6] Ubuntu aims to use only free

>>>>>>>>> software to provide an up-to-date yet stable operating system for

>>>>>>>>> the average user.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Kubuntu and Xubuntu are official subprojects of the Ubuntu

>>>>>>>>> project, aiming to bring the KDE and Xfce desktop environments to

>>>>>>>>> the Ubuntu core. Edubuntu is an official subproject "designed for

>>>>>>>>> school environments, and should be equally suitable for kids to

>>>>>>>>> use at home."[7]

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> --

>>>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>>>>>>> So you can cut and paste. Did you do all that in Ubuntu? If so,

>>>>>>>> pretty impressive!

>>>>>>> Not a cut and paste but a *copy* and paste :-)

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> --

>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I didn't think Ubuntu could do cut n paste. Copy, .. yes .. ..

>>>>>> Linux does that all the time.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Saucy

>>>>> Not only can it do it, you can paste whatever you've highlighted by

>>>>> using the scroll button on your mouse with no need for cut or copy.

>>>>> May I remind you that Linux is based on Unix which was around

>>>>> looooooooong before Windows. May I also remind you that UAC is a copy

>>>>> of a feature in Linux, as is Aero. Need I go on?

>>>>>

>>>>> --

>>>>> Alias

>>>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>>> No, you shouldn't go on. Linux has been around long before Windows and

>>>> look how much market share it has. That should tell you that you are

>>>> preaching in the wind!

>>> It's growing now that it's more user friendly and safer than Windows.

>>>

>>>> A Free product that nobody wants. The people have spoken

>>> Um, you only speak for yourself.

>>

>> Um, don't need to - The STATS have already spoken.

>

> Do the stats you refer to really represent anything but numbers? They

> don't take into account how the operating systems are marketed (or not),

> nor do they take into account the fact that windows is ubiquitous in that

> it is near the only choice in the mass market. I am not trying to take

> anything away from what ms has accomplished, but the statistics represent

> something less than the "people speaking". ymmv.

>>

>> You can preach till the cows come home

>>> --

>>> Alias

>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>

>

> --

> norm

What else could the stats represent? Numbers. I don't care how the systems

are marketed, doesn't matter that MS is shoved down our throats, my point is

that Linux/Ubuntu is free and it still has a very small following to this

day. 20+ years later, people would have gotten the word that there is this

incredible OS called Linux/Unix/[insert Name Here] and they would flocked to

it in droves, but it wasn't [isn't] very good. That is why they have the

market share they have.

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Bill Yanaire wrote:

> "norm" <noone@afakeddomain.net> wrote in message

> news:eGM7HPb5HHA.5316@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>>> news:fakg1v$lbl$1@aioe.org...

>>>> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com.> wrote in message

>>>>> news:ekJszFa5HHA.2108@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>>>> Saucy wrote:

>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com.> wrote in message

>>>>>>> news:uW2C%23%23Z5HHA.464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>>>>>> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>>>> news:fakae7$57a$1@aioe.org...

>>>>>>>>>> Saucy wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>> "Bill Yanaire" <bill@yanaire.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>>>>>> news:u6rl0oZ5HHA.5424@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>>>>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>>>>>>> news:fak8p6$u9q$5@aioe.org...

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:fak7ld$sjc$2@aioe.org...

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saucy wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Just visited a site call www shapeofdays com which says it

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does a demonstration of the upcoming new flash player. I

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> added it to my Trusted Zone [set to medium-high+ / protected

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mode ON as I have otherwise scripts off] refreshed, clicked

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the area for the video and IE7 froze.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Concerned, I ran a virus scan [ClamWin]

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> C:\Program Files\microsoft shared\VBA\VBA6\VBE6.DLL:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Virut.set1.08 FOUND

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It opens a backdoor. I guess I'm "owned" ?? TG my backup USB

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drive is powered off.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sigh*

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saucy

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Makes you wish you had Ubuntu, eh? -)

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh that is what everybody wants to hear in this newsgroup.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wish you had Ubuntu. That is why this group is called

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> microsoft.public.windows.vista.general !

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even Vista users need help :-)

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Typical crap from the Ubuntu Marketing Department. Spewing

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crap again about the TOY OS.

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vista is a toy, not Ubuntu.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In about 5 years Ubuntu/Linux will have about 3.4% of the

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> market! Everybody rush to upgrade!

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vista is the best thing that ever happened to Linux. I predict

>>>>>>>>>>>>> that the market share will boom the next few years and when you

>>>>>>>>>>>>> mention Vista, people will giggle.

>>>>>>>>>>>> $$$$$$$$$$$ Oh yea, the market share will boom. One Quarter of

>>>>>>>>>>>> One Half of One Percent. Wow. Hold me Back!

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> When you mention Linux/Ubuntu people say, "What the hell is

>>>>>>>>>>>> that? I thought General Motors named their cars better" !!!!

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> --

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>>>>>>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>>>>>>>>>> I think "Ubuntu" is something some politically correct granola

>>>>>>>>>>> cruching ex-hippie type dreamed up after visiting africa. Feel

>>>>>>>>>>> good, rainbows, hemp clothing we're all one drivel.

>>>>>>>>>> The billionaire that heads up Ubuntu is from South Africa. Please

>>>>>>>>>> do your research before you put your foot in your mouth, not

>>>>>>>>>> after.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_%28Linux_distribution%29

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu (official IPA pronunciation /ùbúntú/(OO-BOON-TOO) is a

>>>>>>>>>> predominantly desktop-oriented Linux distribution, based on Debian

>>>>>>>>>> GNU/Linux but with a stronger focus on usability, regular

>>>>>>>>>> releases, and ease of installation. Ubuntu is sponsored by

>>>>>>>>>> Canonical Ltd, owned by South African entrepreneur Mark

>>>>>>>>>> Shuttleworth the name of the distribution comes from the African

>>>>>>>>>> concept of ubuntu which may be rendered roughly as "humanity

>>>>>>>>>> toward others", though other meanings have been suggested.[5]

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> The most recent version, Ubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn), was released

>>>>>>>>>> on April 19, 2007. Version 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) is scheduled for

>>>>>>>>>> release on October 18, 2007.[6] Ubuntu aims to use only free

>>>>>>>>>> software to provide an up-to-date yet stable operating system for

>>>>>>>>>> the average user.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Kubuntu and Xubuntu are official subprojects of the Ubuntu

>>>>>>>>>> project, aiming to bring the KDE and Xfce desktop environments to

>>>>>>>>>> the Ubuntu core. Edubuntu is an official subproject "designed for

>>>>>>>>>> school environments, and should be equally suitable for kids to

>>>>>>>>>> use at home."[7]

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> --

>>>>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>>>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>>>>>>>> So you can cut and paste. Did you do all that in Ubuntu? If so,

>>>>>>>>> pretty impressive!

>>>>>>>> Not a cut and paste but a *copy* and paste :-)

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> --

>>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>>>>>> I didn't think Ubuntu could do cut n paste. Copy, .. yes .. ..

>>>>>>> Linux does that all the time.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Saucy

>>>>>> Not only can it do it, you can paste whatever you've highlighted by

>>>>>> using the scroll button on your mouse with no need for cut or copy.

>>>>>> May I remind you that Linux is based on Unix which was around

>>>>>> looooooooong before Windows. May I also remind you that UAC is a copy

>>>>>> of a feature in Linux, as is Aero. Need I go on?

>>>>>>

>>>>>> --

>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>>>> No, you shouldn't go on. Linux has been around long before Windows and

>>>>> look how much market share it has. That should tell you that you are

>>>>> preaching in the wind!

>>>> It's growing now that it's more user friendly and safer than Windows.

>>>>

>>>>> A Free product that nobody wants. The people have spoken

>>>> Um, you only speak for yourself.

>>> Um, don't need to - The STATS have already spoken.

>> Do the stats you refer to really represent anything but numbers? They

>> don't take into account how the operating systems are marketed (or not),

>> nor do they take into account the fact that windows is ubiquitous in that

>> it is near the only choice in the mass market. I am not trying to take

>> anything away from what ms has accomplished, but the statistics represent

>> something less than the "people speaking". ymmv.

>>> You can preach till the cows come home

>>>> --

>>>> Alias

>>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>>

>>

>> --

>> norm

>

> What else could the stats represent? Numbers. I don't care how the systems

> are marketed, doesn't matter that MS is shoved down our throats, my point is

> that Linux/Ubuntu is free and it still has a very small following to this

> day. 20+ years later, people would have gotten the word that there is this

> incredible OS called Linux/Unix/[insert Name Here] and they would flocked to

> it in droves, but it wasn't [isn't] very good. That is why they have the

> market share they have.

And the point I am making is there really hasn't been and still isn't

any marketing for linux comparable to that of the ms juggernaut. Without

marketing (and with very little chance of accessing the existing market

years ago), the numbers mean little in terms of the "people speaking" or

of them making an informed choice. It is a matter of opinion as to

whether linux is "any good" or not, but the "masses" have not had a vote

in determining that, any more than they have had a vote in determining

whether ms products are "good" in comparison to something else. If one

has no basis for comparison/choice, then anything presented to them that

provides usability and/or satisfies a need will become "good" by default.

--

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Alias wrote:

>

> So, ONE case where Ubuntu was compromised. ONLY Windows boxes form

> herd bots that bring you all the spam you could ever not want.

Well, ONE intrusion on Ubangi is equivalent to 10 million intrusions on

Windows.

There's motivation, too, to consider. Malware writers don't fuss with Linux

boxes because they know the owners are as poor as church mice.

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