Re: Alias - The Ubuntu Marketing Department back in full swing

 

Bill Yanaire wrote:

> After a two week vacation, Alias has come back to marketing for Ubuntu.

 

It's not marketing it's offering a viable solution to Window's virus

and malware prone OS. Not only that, it's an OS that doesn't require

that you constantly prove to Redmond that you're not a thief through

Redmond's ineffective and flawed anti piracy programs.

 

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In article <fahnjr$kjk$2@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

> > Wrong, you only get them if a member of the community collects them. The

> > vendors don't make them "automatically" available though the different

> > update services....

> >

>

> Nonetheless, one gets them automatically, regardless of where they come

> from.

 

Which is you saying that because some user somewhere pushed out updates

from vendors to an approved distribution point, that you get updates.

 

Seems to me that it leaves a LOT of chance to it - considering that BIOS

Updates and Firmware Updates are always questionable and can render a

system non-operational - I would rather manually do those types of

updates.

 

Still telling lies about java I see...

 

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Re: Alias - The Ubuntu Marketing Department back in full swing

 

In article <fahns7$lhv$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>

> > After a two week vacation, Alias has come back to marketing for Ubuntu.

>

> It's not marketing it's offering a viable solution to Window's virus

> and malware prone OS. Not only that, it's an OS that doesn't require

> that you constantly prove to Redmond that you're not a thief through

> Redmond's ineffective and flawed anti piracy programs.

 

And with Ubuntu being available for only a short time we've seen

documented cases, in the public, of Ubuntu systems being compromised

too.

 

I've been a user of about Every OS on the market since the 70's and

never been compromised, not once, and that includes all of my Windows

based computers - so, if following the directions were done on Windows

machines we would not have near the compromised machines there are -

same is true with Ubuntu.

 

Your anit-MS hate spew does not prove or help your case appear to be

valid.

 

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Leythos wrote:

> In article <fahnjr$kjk$2@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>>> Wrong, you only get them if a member of the community collects them. The

>>> vendors don't make them "automatically" available though the different

>>> update services....

>>>

>> Nonetheless, one gets them automatically, regardless of where they come

>> from.

>

> Which is you saying that because some user somewhere pushed out updates

> from vendors to an approved distribution point, that you get updates.

>

> Seems to me that it leaves a LOT of chance to it - considering that BIOS

> Updates and Firmware Updates are always questionable and can render a

> system non-operational - I would rather manually do those types of

> updates.

 

I've never gotten a BIOS update from Ubuntu's auto update and won't ever

get one.

>

> Still telling lies about java I see...

 

Not a lie. Are you telling me that out of the blue, without using or

going to the Java console, that you are informed of an update? Where

does this message appear, in the sys tray?

 

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Re: Alias - The Ubuntu Marketing Department back in full swing

 

Leythos wrote:

> In article <fahns7$lhv$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>

>>> After a two week vacation, Alias has come back to marketing for Ubuntu.

>> It's not marketing it's offering a viable solution to Window's virus

>> and malware prone OS. Not only that, it's an OS that doesn't require

>> that you constantly prove to Redmond that you're not a thief through

>> Redmond's ineffective and flawed anti piracy programs.

>

> And with Ubuntu being available for only a short time we've seen

> documented cases, in the public, of Ubuntu systems being compromised

> too.

 

Proof please. You have none.

>

> I've been a user of about Every OS on the market since the 70's and

> never been compromised, not once, and that includes all of my Windows

> based computers - so, if following the directions were done on Windows

> machines we would not have near the compromised machines there are -

> same is true with Ubuntu.

>

> Your anit-MS hate spew does not prove or help your case appear to be

> valid.

>

 

You are a techie. Your average Windows user is probably a part of a

large herd bot and you know it. The facts are that Linux isn't nearly as

vulnerable as Windows and you know that too.

 

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Re: Alias - The Ubuntu Marketing Department back in full swing

 

Alias wrote:

> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>

>> After a two week vacation, Alias has come back to marketing for Ubuntu.

>

>

> It's not marketing it's offering a viable solution to Window's virus

> and malware prone OS. Not only that, it's an OS that doesn't require

> that you constantly prove to Redmond that you're not a thief through

> Redmond's ineffective and flawed anti piracy programs.

>

 

You condescending lying piece of crap! You're jealous of all of us who

can afford to purchase Vista. You're a failed business person and you're

broke and can't afford to purchase Vista! Admit it! Step up to the plate

of truth like a real man instead of hiding behind your phony no-name bs

ubuntu toy os.

You're really one weak little boy.

Loser!

Frank

Kerry Brown [Wed, 22 Aug 2007 07:18:09 -0700] wrote:

>In my opinion your post is off topic and was crafted to cause a controversy.

>This sure seems like trolling to me. The best trolls use the truth as a

>basis for their posts. They are still trolls and more interested in

>generating controversy than actually helping anyone.

 

Many people in this world cause controversy, but are not necessarily

trolls. Galileo Galilei created quite a stir with his then controversial

claim that the earth is revolving around the sun.

 

I did not invent the information contained in the link of my OP.

 

The point I'm making is to show that *all* operating systems are liable

to contain security vulnerabilities.

 

Marco

Re: Alias - The Ubuntu Marketing Department back in full swing

 

Bill Yanaire [Wed, 22 Aug 2007 08:38:59 -0700] wrote:

>After a two week vacation, Alias has come back to marketing for Ubuntu.

 

Yeah, remember his post (Message-ID:

<eeMB2np1HHA.4004@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>) from August 4th:

 

| Subject: It's been fun, folks ...

|

| ... but I'm outta here. After meditating on what Stephen Rose said about

| spamming, I came to the conclusion that he has a point.

|

| So, if anyone is interested in Ubuntu, you can email me, visit the

| Ubuntu forums or Google.

|

| As I don't have, nor plan to get, Vista, I am unsubscribing from this ng.

|

| --

| Alias

 

This proves beyond any doubt that this guy is nothing but a troll full

of lies.

 

Marco

In article <fahorb$no0$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

> Not a lie. Are you telling me that out of the blue, without using or

> going to the Java console, that you are informed of an update? Where

> does this message appear, in the sys tray?

 

Yes, for all of this year. I loaded the version from Sun onto my

systems, and it has a java update service that runs on startup and

alerts when there are updates. If you were running Windows XP with a

newer installation of Java you would have the same - in fact, you have

to disable it if you don't want it.

 

I'll wait for your next fit of wisdom.

 

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Re: Alias - The Ubuntu Marketing Department back in full swing

 

In article <fahovb$oit$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

> Leythos wrote:

> > In article <fahns7$lhv$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

> >> Bill Yanaire wrote:

> >>

> >>> After a two week vacation, Alias has come back to marketing for Ubuntu.

> >> It's not marketing it's offering a viable solution to Window's virus

> >> and malware prone OS. Not only that, it's an OS that doesn't require

> >> that you constantly prove to Redmond that you're not a thief through

> >> Redmond's ineffective and flawed anti piracy programs.

> >

> > And with Ubuntu being available for only a short time we've seen

> > documented cases, in the public, of Ubuntu systems being compromised

> > too.

>

> Proof please. You have none.

 

Yes, there is proof, you've just ignored it - search for Ubuntu on the

security groups or this one - there is an entire thread or two on how

Ubuntu systems were compromised the same way that many Windows systems

are compromised.

 

Maybe you need to do research instead of making yourself look more

foolish by claiming something you don't know or don't want to believe.

> > I've been a user of about Every OS on the market since the 70's and

> > never been compromised, not once, and that includes all of my Windows

> > based computers - so, if following the directions were done on Windows

> > machines we would not have near the compromised machines there are -

> > same is true with Ubuntu.

> >

> > Your anit-MS hate spew does not prove or help your case appear to be

> > valid.

> >

>

> You are a techie. Your average Windows user is probably a part of a

> large herd bot and you know it. The facts are that Linux isn't nearly as

> vulnerable as Windows and you know that too.

 

LOL - and the Techie admins with the compromised Ubuntu machines fell

prey to the same mistakes that Windows users make. It only takes one

stupid user to compromise a system, and Ubuntu has a lot of stupid users

and it's growing - we'll see more compromised Ubuntu systems this year.

 

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"Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

news:fahorb$no0$1@aioe.org...

> Leythos wrote:

>> In article <fahnjr$kjk$2@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>>>> Wrong, you only get them if a member of the community collects them.

>>>> The vendors don't make them "automatically" available though the

>>>> different update services....

>>>>

>>> Nonetheless, one gets them automatically, regardless of where they come

>>> from.

>>

>> Which is you saying that because some user somewhere pushed out updates

>> from vendors to an approved distribution point, that you get updates.

>>

>> Seems to me that it leaves a LOT of chance to it - considering that BIOS

>> Updates and Firmware Updates are always questionable and can render a

>> system non-operational - I would rather manually do those types of

>> updates.

>

> I've never gotten a BIOS update from Ubuntu's auto update and won't ever

> get one.

>

>>

>> Still telling lies about java I see...

>

> Not a lie. Are you telling me that out of the blue, without using or going

> to the Java console, that you are informed of an update? Where does this

> message appear, in the sys tray?

>

> --

> Alias

> To email me, remove shoes

 

Yes it comes up in the sys tray for a Java update. And you are still just a

troll who doesn't know what he is talking about.

Marco Desloovere wrote:

> Leythos [Wed, 22 Aug 2007 08:31:03 -0400] wrote:

>

>> In article <fah9pp$9l6$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>>>> Nope, Office programs get updates as they are ready, maybe you just

>>>> don't have your machines configured properly. I see there our machines

>>>> that have Update function set to download but not install (our choice)

>>>> have Office, Windows, and other updates ready when we check). All of the

>>>> workstations update all Windows, Office, Java, and Adobe apps without

>>>> the user doing anything other than using the computer.

>>>>

>>> Bullsh¡t. Save your lies for the newbies. I know differently as do most

>>> of the readers of this ng.

>> Guess it just proves you don't have a clue about Windows Update and

>> Microsoft Update services.

>

> Why do you waste your time with that clueless nincompoop?

>

> And I totally agree with you, everything is also updated automatically

> on my Windows Vista, including all the drivers and the things that you

> already mentioned.

>

> Marco

 

Drivers? From windows update? <shivers at the thought>

 

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Re: Alias - The Ubuntu Marketing Department back in full swing

 

Leythos wrote:

> In article <fahns7$lhv$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>

>>> After a two week vacation, Alias has come back to marketing for Ubuntu.

>> It's not marketing it's offering a viable solution to Window's virus

>> and malware prone OS. Not only that, it's an OS that doesn't require

>> that you constantly prove to Redmond that you're not a thief through

>> Redmond's ineffective and flawed anti piracy programs.

>

> And with Ubuntu being available for only a short time we've seen

> documented cases, in the public, of Ubuntu systems being compromised

> too.

>

> I've been a user of about Every OS on the market since the 70's and

> never been compromised, not once, and that includes all of my Windows

> based computers - so, if following the directions were done on Windows

> machines we would not have near the compromised machines there are -

> same is true with Ubuntu.

>

> Your anit-MS hate spew does not prove or help your case appear to be

> valid.

>

 

Leythos, there are many reasons that Windows machines get attacked alot

more than linux machines. Most windows users are more clueless, there

are more of them, there are more viruses/nasties for windows, etc. How

does that equate to "anti-MS spew"?

 

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Re: Alias - The Ubuntu Marketing Department back in full swing

 

Marco Desloovere wrote:

> Bill Yanaire [Wed, 22 Aug 2007 08:38:59 -0700] wrote:

>

>> After a two week vacation, Alias has come back to marketing for Ubuntu.

>

> Yeah, remember his post (Message-ID:

> <eeMB2np1HHA.4004@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>) from August 4th:

>

> | Subject: It's been fun, folks ...

> |

> | ... but I'm outta here. After meditating on what Stephen Rose said about

> | spamming, I came to the conclusion that he has a point.

> |

> | So, if anyone is interested in Ubuntu, you can email me, visit the

> | Ubuntu forums or Google.

> |

> | As I don't have, nor plan to get, Vista, I am unsubscribing from this ng.

> |

> | --

> | Alias

>

> This proves beyond any doubt that this guy is nothing but a troll full

> of lies.

>

> Marco

 

I changed my mind. You never change your mind? If not, perhaps one could

say that you two are "mindless"?

 

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"Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

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> Leythos wrote:

>> In article <fah9pp$9l6$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>>>> Nope, Office programs get updates as they are ready, maybe you just

>>>> don't have your machines configured properly. I see there our machines

>>>> that have Update function set to download but not install (our choice)

>>>> have Office, Windows, and other updates ready when we check). All of

>>>> the workstations update all Windows, Office, Java, and Adobe apps

>>>> without the user doing anything other than using the computer.

>>> Bullsh¡t. Save your lies for the newbies. I know differently as do most

>>> of the readers of this ng.

>>

>> Guess it just proves you don't have a clue about Windows Update and

>> Microsoft Update services.

>>

>

> I was talking about programs that are not covered by Windows or Microsoft

> Updates, of course!

>

 

There are plenty of programs that you can install on Ubuntu that will not be

updated automatically.. just as there are for windows.

It is not an issue with either OS.

"Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com.> wrote in message

news:Ovcm8SM5HHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> The hardware manufacturer's *never* tell you if there's an update for your

> video card, BIOS, audio card, etc.

 

My Samsung laptop does.

Re: Alias - The Ubuntu Marketing Department back in full swing

 

"Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

news:fai54r$qid$1@aioe.org...

> Marco Desloovere wrote:

>> Bill Yanaire [Wed, 22 Aug 2007 08:38:59 -0700] wrote:

>>

>>> After a two week vacation, Alias has come back to marketing for Ubuntu.

>>

>> Yeah, remember his post (Message-ID:

>> <eeMB2np1HHA.4004@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>) from August 4th:

>>

>> | Subject: It's been fun, folks ...

>> | | ... but I'm outta here. After meditating on what Stephen Rose said

>> about | spamming, I came to the conclusion that he has a point.

>> | | So, if anyone is interested in Ubuntu, you can email me, visit the

>> | Ubuntu forums or Google.

>> | | As I don't have, nor plan to get, Vista, I am unsubscribing from

>> this ng.

>> | | --

>> | Alias

>>

>> This proves beyond any doubt that this guy is nothing but a troll full

>> of lies.

>>

>> Marco

>

> I changed my mind. You never change your mind? If not, perhaps one could

> say that you two are "mindless"?

>

> --

> Alias

> To email me, remove shoes

 

Coming back to troll this group just shows how sick you are. You just can't

help yourself.

Get yourself some mental help you need it.

Re: Alias - The Ubuntu Marketing Department back in full swing

 

Marco Desloovere wrote:

> Bill Yanaire [Wed, 22 Aug 2007 08:38:59 -0700] wrote:

>

>> After a two week vacation, Alias has come back to marketing for Ubuntu.

>

> Yeah, remember his post (Message-ID:

> <eeMB2np1HHA.4004@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>) from August 4th:

>

> | Subject: It's been fun, folks ...

> |

> | ... but I'm outta here. After meditating on what Stephen Rose said about

> | spamming, I came to the conclusion that he has a point.

> |

> | So, if anyone is interested in Ubuntu, you can email me, visit the

> | Ubuntu forums or Google.

> |

> | As I don't have, nor plan to get, Vista, I am unsubscribing from this ng.

> |

> | --

> | Alias

>

> This proves beyond any doubt that this guy is nothing but a troll full

> of lies.

>

> Marco

 

Hypocrite!

 

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Re: Alias - The Ubuntu Marketing Department back in full swing

 

"Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

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> Marco Desloovere wrote:

>> Bill Yanaire [Wed, 22 Aug 2007 08:38:59 -0700] wrote:

>>

>>> After a two week vacation, Alias has come back to marketing for Ubuntu.

>>

>> Yeah, remember his post (Message-ID:

>> <eeMB2np1HHA.4004@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>) from August 4th:

>>

>> | Subject: It's been fun, folks ...

>> | | ... but I'm outta here. After meditating on what Stephen Rose said

>> about | spamming, I came to the conclusion that he has a point.

>> | | So, if anyone is interested in Ubuntu, you can email me, visit the

>> | Ubuntu forums or Google.

>> | | As I don't have, nor plan to get, Vista, I am unsubscribing from

>> this ng.

>> | | --

>> | Alias

>>

>> This proves beyond any doubt that this guy is nothing but a troll full

>> of lies.

>>

>> Marco

>

> I changed my mind. You never change your mind? If not, perhaps one could

> say that you two are "mindless"?

>

> --

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> To email me, remove shoes

 

No - you are just dense. You have been told by lots of people that Ubuntu

evangalism isn't wanted here. You just keep spewing your marketing hype

regarding the TOY OS that nobody exploits! It gets tiresome, day after day,

Ubuntu is life....Ubuntu is the wave of the future. It is so far in the

future that most of us here will not give a RATS ASS if Ubuntu overtakes

Microsoft because we won't be using computers by then!

 

Go take another vacation.

"Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

news:fahorb$no0$1@aioe.org...

> Not a lie. Are you telling me that out of the blue, without using or going

> to the Java console, that you are informed of an update? Where does this

> message appear, in the sys tray?

>

 

In a pop up in the sys tray.

If yours doesn't and you have not disabled it then it is broken.

Leythos wrote:

> In article <fahorb$no0$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

>> Not a lie. Are you telling me that out of the blue, without using or

>> going to the Java console, that you are informed of an update? Where

>> does this message appear, in the sys tray?

>

> Yes, for all of this year. I loaded the version from Sun onto my

> systems, and it has a java update service that runs on startup and

> alerts when there are updates. If you were running Windows XP with a

> newer installation of Java you would have the same - in fact, you have

> to disable it if you don't want it.

>

> I'll wait for your next fit of wisdom.

>

 

I see the same thing here leythos, however, this does not equate to

automagically downloading and installing the updates as you claimed it

did just like windows updates. Java 'autoupdate' just checks and

notifies you of updates. That's it.

 

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Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in

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You know Leythos, what Alias says below is 100% spot on....this ONE issue.

>> Not only that, it's an OS that doesn't require

>> that you constantly prove to Redmond that you're not a thief through

>> Redmond's ineffective and flawed anti piracy programs.

Alias - Correct once

 

So out of hundreds of posts, he is correct once. Pretty good.

 

 

"DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote in message

news:Xns9994A92E5B7A0thisnthatadelphianet@216.196.97.142...

> Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in

> news:MPG.21362ff698b1f00798985d@adfree.Usenet.com:

>

> You know Leythos, what Alias says below is 100% spot on....this ONE issue.

>

>>> Not only that, it's an OS that doesn't require

>>> that you constantly prove to Redmond that you're not a thief through

>>> Redmond's ineffective and flawed anti piracy programs.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

Re: Alias - The Ubuntu Marketing Department back in full swing

 

In article <Xns9994A92E5B7A0thisnthatadelphianet@216.196.97.142>,

t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t says...

> Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in

> news:MPG.21362ff698b1f00798985d@adfree.Usenet.com:

>

> You know Leythos, what Alias says below is 100% spot on....this ONE issue.

>

> >> Not only that, it's an OS that doesn't require

> >> that you constantly prove to Redmond that you're not a thief through

> >> Redmond's ineffective and flawed anti piracy programs.

 

Been using Windows for decades, and I'm not being asked to prove I'm not

a thief ever. Like many other products I enter a license key and go on

my merry way, day in, day out, never being asked to prove anything about

ownership, just working and playing....

 

His issue is slanted by hate, asking to provide proof of purchase is

common in the industry for a lot of non-free software.

 

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Re: Alias - Correct once

 

In article <OANc7vP5HHA.3812@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, bill@yanaire.com

says...

> So out of hundreds of posts, he is correct once. Pretty good.

 

No, his belief is just a belief/opinion. While activation is true, it's

not calling anyone a thief and it's not limited to MS - even apple asks

for licensing for their products...

 

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