Re: Alias - The Ubuntu Marketing Department back in full swing

 

Adam Albright wrote:

> On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 19:17:02 -0700, "Terry R." <F1ComNOSPAM@pobox.com>

> wrote:

>

>

>>You have NEVER had a virus or malware? And "all the businesses I deal

>>with have never been infected running windows". How do you know Frank?

>

>

> Frank seems more delusional than usual this evening. In over 30 years

> of following Usenet I'm come across all kinds of kooks, but Frank is

> by far one of the most screwed up, constantly lying full time fools

> I've ever seen post to any newsgroup. Maybe he's proud of that

> accomplishment. -)

>

 

hehehe...look at it this way mr genius, I'm not the one who can't even

get one simple install of Vista to run properly...mr genius (smirk)...lol!

Frank

Re: Alias - The Ubuntu Marketing Department back in full swing

 

On 8/24/2007 7:53 PM On a whim, Frank pounded out on the keyboard

> Terry R. wrote:

>

>> You have NEVER had a virus or malware?

>

> No. And in small businesses I think that's fairly normal. I've heard

> that a lot times in large businesses malcontent employees will

> intentionally infect or bring down the company system.

>

> And "all the businesses I deal

>> with have never been infected running windows". How do you know Frank?

> Do you ask each and every user? Do you, a claimed business owner,

>> discuss viruses with other business owners?

>

> Yes, I talk with the owners quite frequently. We discuss a variety of

> technical issues.

>

> If you've NEVER had a virus

>> or malware, then all I can say is that you must be one lucky person,

>

> Oh, I don't think "luck" has anything at all to do with it!

>

> but

>> I don't believe your statement above and I doubt anyone else will

>> either.

>

> Why is that? You think every window os in the entire world has to have

> been infected at one time or another?

> Is that correct?

>

> You can say you don't care what I believe (and I'm sure you

>> will) but it won't change anything.

>

> I'm not the one trying to change someone statement. You are. Not me.

> Frank

 

You don't need to snip as it seems fit for you. Just leave the content

and answer what is asked.

 

1. In small businesses, that is NOT normal, nor with large businesses

or single users. You say you talk with the owners. Interesting. I

asked you a few months back about business matters and you said it

wasn't any of my business. But your business contacts don't feel that

way? And why would viruses be the topic of any discussion in a business

to business talk? We never even talk about it with business owners.

It's handled on an as needed basis.

 

Do you ask each and every user of these businesses? Rarely does an

owner of a company of any size know of issues concerning viruses or

malware, especially for individual employees. Most of the time, we

discover the problems on a workstation. The user is unaware of any

infection.

 

2. It could only be "luck". I've seen the best protected users get

infected, including myself. And yes, I really can't think of anyone

(individual or network) who hasn't had some virus or malware or some

sort over the years. You would be the first person (you aren't claiming

the same for your business users so I'm guessing it's not the case) to

ever state they've never gotten any virus or malware. If that's true,

it has nothing to do with Windows.

 

And I'm not changing your statements. I'm challenging them.

 

 

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Re: Alias - The Ubuntu Marketing Department back in full swing

 

"NoStop" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message

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> dennis@home wrote:

>

>>

>> "NoStop" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message

>> news:FDGzi.89821$fJ5.55211@pd7urf1no...

>>> dennis@home wrote:

>>>

>>>>

>>>> "NoStop" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:v%Fzi.89778$fJ5.27633@pd7urf1no...

>>>>

>>>>> Well, I have yet to meet a Linux user that has complained that his/her

>>>>> system has been infected with viruses, trojans or spyway.

>>>>

>>>> That is not a surprise..

>>>>

>>> Certainly seems to be a surprise to you, as you've obviously clueless.

>>

>> I usually find that its the clueless that resort to calling people

>> clueless.. those of us that have some knowledge are usually quite happy

>> to

>> help educate others.. you appear to lack anything to educate even the

>> most

>> basic user with even though you claim to know much.

>>

>>>

>>> I run a WRT54G router that runs a hacked Linux firmware package. This

>>> allows

>>> it to continuely feed its log files to a dedicated computer that shows

>>> me

>>> who's knocking on my door. There are constant attempts to open up ports

>>> 445

>>> and 135 thanks to all the compromised Windoze boxes out there. Of

>>> course,

>>> the router stops these attacks, but it sure does show how bad things are

>>> out there on the Net - THANKS TO WINDOZE.

>>>

>>> Learn more about Port 445 - Microsoft's big mistake and what you

>>> Wintards

>>> need to do about it ...

>>

>> You need to learn about computers by the way you talk...

>>

> I think I know something about computers. I've been using them since '79.

 

Did mattel make them then?

I was designing them then BTW, it doesn't make you an expert in Vista or in

Linux either.

 

>> First.. grc is not a good site.. he doesn't have a clue which you would

>> know if you had a clue.

>>

>> Second.. the probes on port 445 aren't all windows boxes and aren't all

>> exploits in the first place.

>>

> Of course they're exploits when open to the Net. No one running Samba

> would

> intentionally open those ports to the Net, doofus.

 

You are just providing more evidence that you don't actually know anything.

Let me help.. a packet arrives on your computer destined for port 445.. OK

so far?

How does the *destination* port tell you where it originated from?

 

The only way you could know that these ports are open is for you to scan for

them.. this makes you a crimminal BTW.

>> Do you actually have anything interesting to say or is it all kiddy level

>> stuff?

>

> Obviously, what I have to say is way above your level of understanding.

> But,

> that figures, since you're the Wintard.

 

Do you still think you are impressing anyone with your insults?

 

Insulting Linux users is just one of your many faults and I and most others

wish you would actually learn something.

Re: Alias - The Ubuntu Marketing Department back in full swing

 

Frank wrote:

> NoStop wrote:

>

>> dennis@home wrote:

>>

>>

>>> "NoStop" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message

>>> news:h7Fzi.89730$fJ5.18832@pd7urf1no...

>>>

>>>> dennis@home wrote:

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>> news:fan4ku$pbh$1@aioe.org...

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>> Simple, it's a viable alternative to those fed up with Redmond's DRM,

>>>>>> WPA

>>>>>> and WGA nonsense :-)

>>>>>

>>>>> Linux is a viable alternative for users who know what they are doing.

>>>>> However having people like you screaming about how secure it is and

>>>>> stuff that isn't true doesn't help anyone.

>>>>>

>>>>> It looks like either..

>>>>>

>>>>> A: you don't know what you are talking about.

>>>>>

>>>>> or, more probable,

>>>>>

>>>>> B: you do know and are being malicious and are trying to get people to

>>>>> install software so that you can exploit it.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Why else would you keep saying its safe even after people have

>>>>> shown you

>>>>> evidence that it needs some knowledge to make and keep it safe?

>>>>

>>>> Because, out-of-box, it is 1000s safer than Windoze is.

>>>

>>> That does not equal safe, not in any reasonable persons mind.

>>

>>

>> Well, I have yet to meet a Linux user that has complained that his/her

>> system has been infected with viruses, trojans or spyway. That has NEVER

>> been an issue. So, I guess, for those of us that know better, we are

>> reasonably content that having left Windoze, we can concentrate on using

>> our computers for productive work rather than baby sit it constantly

>> against outside attacks. If you chose to continue to worry about, well go

>> ahead. It's the Windoze mindset to start with.

>>

>> Cheers.

>>

>

> Let me introduce you to someone who has never, ever been infected by

> anything running Windows from their very first RTM of WinX...meet

> me...Frank.

 

Liar.

 

--

Alias

To email me, remove shoes

Re: Alias - The Ubuntu Marketing Department back in full swing

 

Alias Ubuntu Obsessed 79 -- multiple NG trolling Au79 wrote:

 

<snipped>

>

> Liar.

>

 

<Oooooooh nooooooo, it's a familiar habit and everyone is a *liar*. Is

that right, dear? You're outrageous you Bipolar Disordered lunatic. You

have no class Au79 -- none, and you're in bad bad shape, dear. You can't

get any action in another NG that is neutral, because people even using

Linux have you , and the rest think you're some kind of zealot

*lunatic* pushing your product and just ignore you. So, you roll your

red wagon over here to this NG and start going off, looking for some

action. You must think you're in Heaven and you got the world by the

tail -- LOL, LOL and LOL. :)>

Re: Alias - The Ubuntu Marketing Department back in full swing

 

"Adam A-Flaming-Old-Man Albright" wrote

> Alias Ubuntu Obsessed 79 -- multiple NG trolling Au79 wrote:

>

> <snipped>

>

>>

>> Liar.

>>

>

> <Oooooooh nooooooo, it's a familiar habit and everyone is a *liar*. Is

> that right, dear? You're outrageous you Bipolar Disordered lunatic. You

> have no class Au79 -- none, and you're in bad bad shape, dear. You can't

> get any action in another NG that is neutral, because people even using

> Linux have you , and the rest think you're some kind of zealot

> *lunatic* pushing your product and just ignore you. So, you roll your

> red wagon over here to this NG and start going off, looking for some

> action. You must think you're in Heaven and you got the world by the

> tail -- LOL, LOL and LOL. :)>

 

The sad old gay-meh has turned arbn into scorched earth.

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"Terry R." <F1ComNOSPAM@pobox.com> wrote in message

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>

> Care to enlighten everyone why the Gibson Research site "is not a good

> site" and "he doesn't have a clue"?

>

 

I am quite confident that you could use Google to find many reasons why

Steve Gibson is considered to be a bit of a fanatic by people in the know.

Re: Alias - The Ubuntu Marketing Department back in full swing

 

Frank wrote:

> Terry R. wrote:

>

>>

>> You have NEVER had a virus or malware?

>

> No. And in small businesses I think that's fairly normal. I've heard

> that a lot times in large businesses malcontent employees will

> intentionally infect or bring down the company system.

>

> And "all the businesses I deal

>> with have never been infected running windows". How do you know Frank?

> Do you ask each and every user? Do you, a claimed business owner,

>> discuss viruses with other business owners?

>

> Yes, I talk with the owners quite frequently. We discuss a variety of

> technical issues.

>

> If you've NEVER had a virus

>> or malware, then all I can say is that you must be one lucky person,

>

> Oh, I don't think "luck" has anything at all to do with it!

>

> but

>> I don't believe your statement above and I doubt anyone else will either.

>

> Why is that? You think every window os in the entire world has to have

> been infected at one time or another?

> Is that correct?

>

> You can say you don't care what I believe (and I'm sure you

>> will) but it won't change anything.

>

> I'm not the one trying to change someone statement. You are. Not me.

> Frank

 

 

Okay, time for a bit of logic.

 

Viruses spread automatically. There is plenty of evidence from

independent companies that some viruses have infected half the world in

days. Statistically it is almost impossible that "Some" system you deal

with has escaped infection, although it is perfectly possible that such

an infection has remained unnoticed and perhaps been dealt with later by

one of the aforementioned independent companies' automated tools.

 

The earlier Windows and some software like OE were extremely vulnerable

to infection, in fact it was IMPOSSIBLE to keep OE infection free until

MS added some settings and changed the defaults.

 

MS methods for dealing with such problems have improved enormously

since, but rather slowly in contrast to the speed with which they can

patch DRM vulnerabilities. Oh well.

 

However your claim that you have never seen an infected "Windows" means

you are either the only person on the planet to have that experience,

you have bad eyesight and have been looking at the microwave instead of

the computer or you are plain lying.

 

If it were not for Bill Gates (or someone like him) the personal

computer may never have been developed or be as affordable as it is.

OTOH if not for the development of Microsoft we might all be using the

much better designed Amiga. However we have what we have, and it is true

than being the most popular OS in the world, Windows is the biggest

target for malware. That fact is undeniable and so therefore threat to

Windows is undeniable. It would make more sense to accept that than to

keep trying to deny it's existence.

 

I have not experienced a malware problem with Windows for years (Except

for deliberate actions during tests) and it is likely that most people

here have avoided the problem too, but then most of the people here are

NOT ordinary Windows "Users" either. I recently got a machine from an

ordinary user (I would have considered her quite responsible) with

literally HUNDREDS of infected files and TENS of different viruses /

trojans / spywares.

 

 

In short then, what I am saying is that for various reasons, not all the

fault of the OS, Windows is more vulnerable to attempted infection than

any other - arguing whether it is or is not is pointless because the OS

is NOT the sole factor.

 

What MS have done with Vista is a step in the right direction in some

ways but now there are far more important issues and MS are on a path to

self desruction which will be a BAD thing for everybody, the whole

industry. They have forgotten one thing which in my humble opinion has

been a VITAL component in their relationship with customers. MS has

become "Unfriendly".

 

One only has to look in this group to see that "Unfriendly" has become

the norm. People don't want to be constantly accused of stealing or

being stupid.

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dennis@home wrote:

>

> "Terry R." <F1ComNOSPAM@pobox.com> wrote in message

> news:u3t%23I7r5HHA.4584@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>

>>

>> Care to enlighten everyone why the Gibson Research site "is not a good

>> site" and "he doesn't have a clue"?

>>

>

> I am quite confident that you could use Google to find many reasons why

> Steve Gibson is considered to be a bit of a fanatic by people in the know.

>

>

 

 

So was Bill Gates...

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"Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

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>

> However your claim that you have never seen an infected "Windows" means

> you are either the only person on the planet to have that experience, you

> have bad eyesight and have been looking at the microwave instead of the

> computer or you are plain lying.

 

He is not the only one who has not had a windows virus on their machine.

Despite your opinion that its impossible it would appear that there are at

least two of us.

 

However I can state that I was the victim of a unix worm once many years ago

on a Sun machine.

It would appear that the claims that unix is invulnerable are wrong as well

as the claims that you must get infected if you run windows is wrong.

 

What can be reasonably stated is that some users will get infected whatever

OS they run as they just don't understand the issues.

There are users here that will install software on their Ubuntu systems if

you email it to them.. they know they are safe so it doesn't matter if they

install it.. does it?

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dennis@home wrote:

>

> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

> news:uhqsFnx5HHA.4436@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>

>>

>> However your claim that you have never seen an infected "Windows"

>> means you are either the only person on the planet to have that

>> experience, you have bad eyesight and have been looking at the

>> microwave instead of the computer or you are plain lying.

>

> He is not the only one who has not had a windows virus on their machine.

> Despite your opinion that its impossible it would appear that there are

> at least two of us.

 

 

 

Not having an infection on "His" machine is one thing, however it is

irresponsible to make such "Assertive" claims for other machines even

for a system admin since some malware can remain hidden and fairly

innocuous for long periods. My reference to the microwave was to lighten

things up a bit.

 

 

 

> However I can state that I was the victim of a unix worm once many years

> ago on a Sun machine.

> It would appear that the claims that unix is invulnerable are wrong as

> well as the claims that you must get infected if you run windows is wrong.

 

 

 

Sure, however for such things as "Sasser" do you blame the OS or

software running under it.

 

 

 

> What can be reasonably stated is that some users will get infected

> whatever OS they run as they just don't understand the issues.

> There are users here that will install software on their Ubuntu systems

> if you email it to them.. they know they are safe so it doesn't matter

> if they install it.. does it?

 

 

 

 

As above more or less, is the infection in the OS really the fault of

the OS? True there is a "Vulnerability" in the OS that "You" the email

sender have taken advantage of and it should be patched, and it is most

unwise for anybody to claim any system is invulnerable, but historically

the "Combination" of uneducated users and Windows has been a big problem.

 

There is another issue that people miss here.

 

Because MS bundled IE and OE with Windows the various problems each has

run across are all "Windows" problems. A "Firefox" or "Thunderbird"

problem remains just that and not a "Linux" problem. In theory the

bundling "Should" have the benefit of seamless integration, so the

result should amount to "Swings and roundabouts" but depending upon the

way one wants to "Spin" it this integration is not necessarily a good thing.

 

IMNSHO the biggest problems MS now face are of their own making. WGA /

Activation is alienating users and system operators. They may be dealing

with "Corporate" systems differently but my "Corporation" is not big

enough to warrant corporate versions, they use retail or OEM that comes

pre-installed. At the same time we are wide open to problems with it

such as the one happening at the moment, wait until Tuesday to

reactivate. I accept that MS have every right to try and stop theft and

that they have every right to try and "Persuade" people to make

decisions that benefit their profits. If you don't allow that even a

furniture store would go out of business, but I see this as blackmail.

The tipping point is how many others with massive buying power see the same.

 

The way I see it is that if you took away NASA a lot of things would not

get the financing to try innovation. In many ways a huge corporation

like MS can innovate and do things that otherwise would not be

affordable by anyone else. This type of financial clout is good for

society as a whole, it prompts others to follow up or even compete. The

last thing I want to see is MS damaged beyond repair, however I think

the present course is damaging and ultimately will be damaging to society.

 

I do not think many "Absolutes" apply in the industry, and those that

maybe do now will not in the future.

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"Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

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> dennis@home wrote:

>>

>> "Terry R." <F1ComNOSPAM@pobox.com> wrote in message

>> news:u3t%23I7r5HHA.4584@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>

>>>

>>> Care to enlighten everyone why the Gibson Research site "is not a good

>>> site" and "he doesn't have a clue"?

>>>

>>

>> I am quite confident that you could use Google to find many reasons why

>> Steve Gibson is considered to be a bit of a fanatic by people in the

>> know.

>>

>>

>

>

> So was Bill Gates...

 

And how is that relevant?

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dennis@home dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net posted to

microsoft.public.windows.vista.general:

>

> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

> news:uhqsFnx5HHA.4436@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>

>>

>> However your claim that you have never seen an infected "Windows"

>> means you are either the only person on the planet to have that

>> experience, you have bad eyesight and have been looking at the

>> microwave instead of the computer or you are plain lying.

>

> He is not the only one who has not had a windows virus on their

> machine. Despite your opinion that its impossible it would appear

> that there are at least two of us.

>

> However I can state that I was the victim of a unix worm once many

> years ago on a Sun machine.

> It would appear that the claims that unix is invulnerable are wrong

> as well as the claims that you must get infected if you run windows

> is wrong.

>

> What can be reasonably stated is that some users will get infected

> whatever OS they run as they just don't understand the issues.

> There are users here that will install software on their Ubuntu

> systems if you email it to them.. they know they are safe so it

> doesn't matter if they install it.. does it?

 

No sane unix user can claim so. Viruses and worms were first created

on unix systems, before there even were MSWinDos systems. There are

plenty of less than sane unix / linux users and administrators.

Re: Alias - The Ubuntu Marketing Department back in full swing

 

On 8/25/2007 5:52 AM On a whim, dennis@home pounded out on the keyboard

> "Terry R." <F1ComNOSPAM@pobox.com> wrote in message

> news:u3t%23I7r5HHA.4584@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>

>> Care to enlighten everyone why the Gibson Research site "is not a good

>> site" and "he doesn't have a clue"?

>>

>

> I am quite confident that you could use Google to find many reasons why

> Steve Gibson is considered to be a bit of a fanatic by people in the know.

>

>

 

Just what I thought. "A bit of a fanatic" is a loose term, especially

weighing the positive readings opposed to the negative ones. I doubt

your statement is any reason to tag a site as "not a good site".

Opinions are just that, and yours differs from mine.

 

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