"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message

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> In article <OFU#wuV4HHA.5880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, fb@nospaner.cnm

> says...

>> Jerry White wrote:

>>

>> > "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message

>> > news:MPG.212fd5d317dfd5f989904@adfree.Usenet.com...

>> >

>> >>In article <fa517e$7j3$3@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...

>> >>

>> >>>You also have an MVP being a terrible hypocrate in this group. Why is

>> >>>it noone, least of all him it seems, will address that?

>> >>

>> >>Alias made a point of always being negative and suggesting that

>> >>Ubuntu was the savior of the world

>> >

>> >

>> > I dare you to site a single example of when he actually said that.

>>

>> You must be either a newbie or brain dead or just a simple jackass.

>> We all know what he did as we had to live (suffer) thru it all.

>> Google him, if you know how.

>> Otherwise STFU!!!

>> Frank

>

> There are hundreds of posts where Alias suggests Ubuntu or Open Office

> as the solution to anyones problems with Microsoft. It's nice to see you

> get nasty when you've failed, shows your level of maturity to the world.

 

That's not the same as "Ubuntu was the savior of the world" as Frank

claimed. I've heard people in this group (possible Alias) say the Open

Office is a viable alternative, and similar with Ubuntu or other Linux

flavors. Whats wrong with that?

"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message

news:MPG.2130a71251ab012498990b@adfree.Usenet.com...

> In article <5inaqfF3pv8spU1@mid.individual.net>, savagebeaste@yahoo.com

> says...

>> It's amazing how people like you just jump on the band wagon and show

>> that

>> you haven't even read the article.

>>

>> If you think Linux has been actually "cracked" then site an instance.

>> Anyone

>> can site and try over and over, or evne run an pllication that permutates

>> over every combination, and/or runs through a dictionary file. I hardly

>> call

>> that "cracking"... most would call that a admin asleep at the helm.

>

> Um, you didn't understand what I wrote - I use Windows and Linux and

> enjoy both, but, it clearly shows how ignorant users can compromise a

> system. The fault of a bad password is the same fault that windows users

> suffer, complete incompetence and ignorance.

 

True. But the big difference is the frequency at which such dumb things

happen.

In article <5ipce0F3q2hflU1@mid.individual.net>, savagebeaste@yahoo.com

says...

> True. But the big difference is the frequency at which such dumb things

> happen.

 

And when the number of Ubuntu users increases so do the dumb things that

happen.

 

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- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.

- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a

drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"

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On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 11:48:38 -0500, Stephan Rose <nospam@spammer.com> wrote:

>I mean why (among other potential reasons) do you think people like Dell

>and HP use "restore disks/partitions" instead of giving people the

>software on individual CDs?

 

Money. Despite the fact that a CD in bulk probably doesn't run more than $0.10 to produce. That's $0.10 that goes into Dell and HP's pocket.

And when it totally craps out the user will have to buy a CD on their dime for $$$.$$.

Not the ten cents it would have cost Dell or HP to include with the machines.

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"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message

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> In article <5ipce0F3q2hflU1@mid.individual.net>, savagebeaste@yahoo.com

> says...

>> True. But the big difference is the frequency at which such dumb things

>> happen.

>

> And when the number of Ubuntu users increases so do the dumb things that

> happen.

 

So far theres nothing to back that up. You're just guessing that because

Windows is so wide spread, you have a large amount no so bright users. You

don't know that the same will be the typical case in Linux as well as it

grows in population. But what you seem to really be missing is many of the

moving to Linux tend to be those who have at least soem clue of what they

are doing. That could be enough to make a significant difference. If the

less-than-bright types attempt to move I doubt they will last too long

unless they try and educate them sevles, which might actualy be a good thing

in the long run.

 

--

CL

In article <5ipkoiF3k79esU1@mid.individual.net>, savagebeaste@yahoo.com

says...

>

> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message

> news:MPG.213157bc18d57479989911@adfree.Usenet.com...

> > In article <5ipce0F3q2hflU1@mid.individual.net>, savagebeaste@yahoo.com

> > says...

> >> True. But the big difference is the frequency at which such dumb things

> >> happen.

> >

> > And when the number of Ubuntu users increases so do the dumb things that

> > happen.

>

> So far theres nothing to back that up. You're just guessing that because

> Windows is so wide spread, you have a large amount no so bright users. You

> don't know that the same will be the typical case in Linux as well as it

> grows in population. But what you seem to really be missing is many of the

> moving to Linux tend to be those who have at least soem clue of what they

> are doing. That could be enough to make a significant difference. If the

> less-than-bright types attempt to move I doubt they will last too long

> unless they try and educate them sevles, which might actualy be a good thing

> in the long run.

 

And what you seem to be missing, having seen more than 30 years of

computing, is that as the masses make moves, they dumb down interfaces

so that the ignorant can use them, that Linux, having been a thing of

the technical minded people, is starting to become a thing of the

ignorant people more and more each day.

 

What you will see is that the versions of Linux marketed at the HOME

user, the non-technical user, will provide an opportunity for them to

screw up, and that's the overall OS issue, not really a linux issue, but

the overall OS issue.

 

So, as with everything, as the masses adopt it, stupid things get done,

the more that adopt it the more stupid things.....

 

--

 

Leythos

- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.

- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a

drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"

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Jerry White wrote:

> "Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message

> news:%23p%23MoEc4HHA.5216@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>

>>Jerry White wrote:

>>

>>>"Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message

>>>news:eUE%23lab4HHA.5880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>>

>>>

>>>>Jerry White wrote:

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>"Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message

>>>>>news:eI5MQsV4HHA.5880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>>Jerry White wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>"Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message

>>>>>>>news:epw93DR4HHA.4676@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>Jerry White wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>"Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message

>>>>>>>>>news:OGKUNKJ4HHA.1484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>Jerry White wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>I don't recall anyone ever sayign that of Linux.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>Then you must either be a newbie or else suffering from extreme

>>>>>>>>>>memory loss.

>>>>>>>>>>Search this ng (if you know how) and I'm sure you'll find that

>>>>>>>>>>reference

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>from out resident and/or former linux as*holes.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>Frank

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>I have and have yet to come across someoen saying what you claim.

>>>>>>>>>Either provide proof or piss off.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>hahaha...try harder you moron!

>>>>>>>>Frank

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>Nice proof... or lack there of...

>>>>>>

>>>>>>Gave up already huh?

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>On what? I'm still waiting for some semblance of proof from your end,

>>>>>which you refuse to produce.

>>>>

>>>>hahaha...try google and you'll find your so called "proof"...and that my

>>>>friend is my response.

>>>

>>>

>>>Cite a link or just admit it doesn't exist, as I've yet to find it. The

>>>burden of proof is on you.

>>

>>Google! Got it?

>>Google! Got it?

>>Google! Got it?

>

>

> Cite a link! Got it?

>

>

Are you brain dead or what?

Google...GOT IT!

hehehe...you must be a newbie...lol!

Frank

"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message

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> In article <5ipkoiF3k79esU1@mid.individual.net>, savagebeaste@yahoo.com

> says...

>>

>> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message

>> news:MPG.213157bc18d57479989911@adfree.Usenet.com...

>> > In article <5ipce0F3q2hflU1@mid.individual.net>, savagebeaste@yahoo.com

>> > says...

>> >> True. But the big difference is the frequency at which such dumb

>> >> things

>> >> happen.

>> >

>> > And when the number of Ubuntu users increases so do the dumb things

>> > that

>> > happen.

>>

>> So far theres nothing to back that up. You're just guessing that because

>> Windows is so wide spread, you have a large amount no so bright users.

>> You

>> don't know that the same will be the typical case in Linux as well as it

>> grows in population. But what you seem to really be missing is many of

>> the

>> moving to Linux tend to be those who have at least soem clue of what they

>> are doing. That could be enough to make a significant difference. If the

>> less-than-bright types attempt to move I doubt they will last too long

>> unless they try and educate them sevles, which might actualy be a good

>> thing

>> in the long run.

>

> And what you seem to be missing, having seen more than 30 years of

> computing, is that as the masses make moves, they dumb down interfaces

> so that the ignorant can use them, that Linux, having been a thing of

> the technical minded people, is starting to become a thing of the

> ignorant people more and more each day.

 

Only for basic tasks, but for anything more advanced it almost forces you to

learn more. Those who cannot learn will either just do basic things like web

and email (and likely not do the inital install themselves and other such

things that actually require some minimal knowldge), or they will stick with

Windows. In fact, the majority of people I see trying out Linux are either

"power users" who want to test it out (usually either no a spare or in a

virtual machine) or the clueless people who know little about what's going

on and just buy the newest version becasue that's what Microsoft tells them

to do with all that advertising.

> What you will see is that the versions of Linux marketed at the HOME

> user, the non-technical user, will provide an opportunity for them to

> screw up, and that's the overall OS issue, not really a linux issue, but

> the overall OS issue.

 

If a particular distobution of Linux is proven it have serious flaw than it

will suffer. At least linux has a rock solid core. It's what ever extra

stuff a given distrobution that could cause problems, and not the kernel

itself. That's the big difference I see between Linux and Windows.

> So, as with everything, as the masses adopt it, stupid things get done,

> the more that adopt it the more stupid things.....

 

Mass adoption does not mean a system must be broken, so I don't see why you

are still stuck on that. It's entirely possible to create a home system that

rock solid and intelligent, and not one that throws random prompts and

messages (a la Vista's UAC) that can confuse the less than bright. If Vista

was so advanced instead of vinilla UAC it should try to identify potential

threats, etc.

 

Be it staying with XP or going Linux, either seems a better route than

Vista, which doesn't really bring anything new to the table. If a Linux

distrobution can be made so both advanced and no so advanced people can use

it, then that would be great. From what I've seen so far, I see no reason to

believe it's not already on that route.

On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 20:12:33 -0700, Frank <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote:

>>>>>>On what? I'm still waiting for some semblance of proof from your end,

>>>>>>which you refuse to produce.

>>>>>

>>>>>hahaha...try google and you'll find your so called "proof"...and that my

>>>>>friend is my response.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>Cite a link or just admit it doesn't exist, as I've yet to find it. The

>>>>burden of proof is on you.

>>>

>>>Google! Got it?

>>>Google! Got it?

>>>Google! Got it?

>>

>>

>> Cite a link! Got it?

>>

>>

>Are you brain dead or what?

>Google...GOT IT!

>hehehe...you must be a newbie...lol!

>Frank

 

More proof Frankie numbnuts is just an idiot, liar and screw-up.

"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message

news:MPG.21316c3676e125d7989912@adfree.Usenet.com...

> In article <5ipkoiF3k79esU1@mid.individual.net>, savagebeaste@yahoo.com

> says...

>>

>> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message

>> news:MPG.213157bc18d57479989911@adfree.Usenet.com...

>> > In article <5ipce0F3q2hflU1@mid.individual.net>, savagebeaste@yahoo.com

>> > says...

>> >> True. But the big difference is the frequency at which such dumb

>> >> things

>> >> happen.

>> >

>> > And when the number of Ubuntu users increases so do the dumb things

>> > that

>> > happen.

>>

>> So far theres nothing to back that up. You're just guessing that because

>> Windows is so wide spread, you have a large amount no so bright users.

>> You

>> don't know that the same will be the typical case in Linux as well as it

>> grows in population. But what you seem to really be missing is many of

>> the

>> moving to Linux tend to be those who have at least soem clue of what they

>> are doing. That could be enough to make a significant difference. If the

>> less-than-bright types attempt to move I doubt they will last too long

>> unless they try and educate them sevles, which might actualy be a good

>> thing

>> in the long run.

>

> And what you seem to be missing, having seen more than 30 years of

> computing, is that as the masses make moves, they dumb down interfaces

> so that the ignorant can use them, that Linux, having been a thing of

> the technical minded people, is starting to become a thing of the

> ignorant people more and more each day.

>

> What you will see is that the versions of Linux marketed at the HOME

> user, the non-technical user, will provide an opportunity for them to

> screw up, and that's the overall OS issue, not really a linux issue, but

> the overall OS issue.

>

> So, as with everything, as the masses adopt it, stupid things get done,

> the more that adopt it the more stupid things.....

 

My only question is, "Who is actully responsible for Linux?" Linus writes

the kernel, others write drivers, the GNU tools, etc, ad nauseum, but where

does the buck actually stop? If they change things, break stuff ( Like what

happened with Vista) who does something about it? Who do you complain

to? Hey, if I buy the software pre loaded in a computer, and something

happens, or isn't working , what can I do, when I call the manufacturer,

and they say " Well, as soon as the ice melts, and the penguin is out..."

 

Doesn't make much sense to me to use it anymore. Like I said, when

it was really free, it was something... back in 1995 or so...

 

But then, the competition was DOS, and 32 bit systems were new.

*nix had an edge then. Not so much anymore. We'll see.

 

I miss Os/2.

 

Curtis

"Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message

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> Jerry White wrote:

>> "Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message

>> news:%23p%23MoEc4HHA.5216@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>

>>>Jerry White wrote:

>>>

>>>>"Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message

>>>>news:eUE%23lab4HHA.5880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>Jerry White wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>>"Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message

>>>>>>news:eI5MQsV4HHA.5880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>Jerry White wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>"Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message

>>>>>>>>news:epw93DR4HHA.4676@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>Jerry White wrote:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>"Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message

>>>>>>>>>>news:OGKUNKJ4HHA.1484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>Jerry White wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>I don't recall anyone ever sayign that of Linux.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>Then you must either be a newbie or else suffering from extreme

>>>>>>>>>>>memory loss.

>>>>>>>>>>>Search this ng (if you know how) and I'm sure you'll find that

>>>>>>>>>>>reference

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>from out resident and/or former linux as*holes.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>Frank

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>I have and have yet to come across someoen saying what you claim.

>>>>>>>>>>Either provide proof or piss off.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>hahaha...try harder you moron!

>>>>>>>>>Frank

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>Nice proof... or lack there of...

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>Gave up already huh?

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>On what? I'm still waiting for some semblance of proof from your end,

>>>>>>which you refuse to produce.

>>>>>

>>>>>hahaha...try google and you'll find your so called "proof"...and that

>>>>>my friend is my response.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>Cite a link or just admit it doesn't exist, as I've yet to find it. The

>>>>burden of proof is on you.

>>>

>>>Google! Got it?

>>>Google! Got it?

>>>Google! Got it?

>>

>>

>> Cite a link! Got it?

> Are you brain dead or what?

> Google...GOT IT!

> hehehe...you must be a newbie...lol!

 

So you have no evidence to cite then. One just need to check your posting

history to be sure of that.

 

GoAT

On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 21:51:42 -0400, Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote:

>In article <5ipkoiF3k79esU1@mid.individual.net>, savagebeaste@yahoo.com

>says...

>>

>> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message

>> news:MPG.213157bc18d57479989911@adfree.Usenet.com...

>> > In article <5ipce0F3q2hflU1@mid.individual.net>, savagebeaste@yahoo.com

>> > says...

>> >> True. But the big difference is the frequency at which such dumb things

>> >> happen.

>> >

>> > And when the number of Ubuntu users increases so do the dumb things that

>> > happen.

>>

>> So far theres nothing to back that up. You're just guessing that because

>> Windows is so wide spread, you have a large amount no so bright users. You

>> don't know that the same will be the typical case in Linux as well as it

>> grows in population. But what you seem to really be missing is many of the

>> moving to Linux tend to be those who have at least soem clue of what they

>> are doing. That could be enough to make a significant difference. If the

>> less-than-bright types attempt to move I doubt they will last too long

>> unless they try and educate them sevles, which might actualy be a good thing

>> in the long run.

>And what you seem to be missing, having seen more than 30 years of

>computing, is that as the masses make moves, they dumb down interfaces

>so that the ignorant can use them, that Linux, having been a thing of

>the technical minded people, is starting to become a thing of the

>ignorant people more and more each day.

 

Well then if "they" whoever the hell that's suppose to be keeps

dumbing down interfaces then finally you and Frank, two of the most

clueless and ignorant bozos currently posting to this newsgroup I've

seen maybe you two some day will be able to learn how to use a

computer to maybe if you're lucky type your name in Notepad and manage

to save the file and be able to get it back on the third or fourth

try.

>

>What you will see is that the versions of Linux marketed at the HOME

>user, the non-technical user, will provide an opportunity for them to

>screw up, and that's the overall OS issue, not really a linux issue, but

>the overall OS issue.

>

>So, as with everything, as the masses adopt it, stupid things get done,

>the more that adopt it the more stupid things.....

 

I haven't seen anything more stupid than the two idiots named Frank

and Leythos flapping their gums pretending to be computer experts.

Damn funny show boys, keep it up.

 

Hint: Neither of you losers known sh*t about computers or software or

any OS in particular. You faking that you do no doubt has many rolling

on the floor in bouts of uncontrolled laughter. You know nothing. Not

a damn thing. Nada, zip. Anybody reading the slop you two idiots write

understands that perfectly.

In article <5ipr3qF3r2cikU1@mid.individual.net>, savagebeaste@yahoo.com

says...

> Mass adoption does not mean a system must be broken, so I don't see why you

> are still stuck on that. It's entirely possible to create a home system that

> rock solid and intelligent, and not one that throws random prompts and

> messages (a la Vista's UAC) that can confuse the less than bright. If Vista

> was so advanced instead of vinilla UAC it should try to identify potential

> threats, etc.

 

I'm not stuck on it, but, having used Ubuntu and found many issues, I

don't see where the non-technical user is going to be much better off

with it. Sure, as long as they only do what is included, never try and

do anything else, as long as they never learn the word ROOT, they might

just be OK for the basics, but, as with everything, more than enough

non-technical users will break things and that will lead to exploits

being used...

 

--

 

Leythos

- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.

- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a

drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"

spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 23:44:31 -0400, Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote:

>In article <5ipr3qF3r2cikU1@mid.individual.net>, savagebeaste@yahoo.com

>says...

>> Mass adoption does not mean a system must be broken, so I don't see why you

>> are still stuck on that. It's entirely possible to create a home system that

>> rock solid and intelligent, and not one that throws random prompts and

>> messages (a la Vista's UAC) that can confuse the less than bright. If Vista

>> was so advanced instead of vinilla UAC it should try to identify potential

>> threats, etc.

>

>I'm not stuck on it, but, having used Ubuntu and found many issues, I

>don't see where the non-technical user is going to be much better off

>with it. Sure, as long as they only do what is included, never try and

>do anything else, as long as they never learn the word ROOT, they might

>just be OK for the basics, but, as with everything, more than enough

>non-technical users will break things and that will lead to exploits

>being used...

 

This newsgroup was already infested with no nothing blowhards before

you showed up to add to the noise level. Why are you here pissing into

the wind?

Adam Albright wrote:

> On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 20:12:33 -0700, Frank <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote:

>

>

>>>>>>>On what? I'm still waiting for some semblance of proof from your end,

>>>>>>>which you refuse to produce.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>hahaha...try google and you'll find your so called "proof"...and that my

>>>>>>friend is my response.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>Cite a link or just admit it doesn't exist, as I've yet to find it. The

>>>>>burden of proof is on you.

>>>>

>>>>Google! Got it?

>>>>Google! Got it?

>>>>Google! Got it?

>>>

>>>

>>>Cite a link! Got it?

>>>

>>>

>>

>>Are you brain dead or what?

>>Google...GOT IT!

>>hehehe...you must be a newbie...lol!

>>Frank

>

>

> More proof Frankie numbnuts is just an idiot, liar and screw-up.

>

 

Drunk again, huh?

So what else is new?

Frank

Jerry White wrote:

> "Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message

> news:%23OfDL7g4HHA.3940@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>

>>Jerry White wrote:

>>

>>>"Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message

>>>news:%23p%23MoEc4HHA.5216@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>

>>>

>>>>Jerry White wrote:

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>"Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message

>>>>>news:eUE%23lab4HHA.5880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>>Jerry White wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>"Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message

>>>>>>>news:eI5MQsV4HHA.5880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>Jerry White wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>"Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message

>>>>>>>>>news:epw93DR4HHA.4676@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>Jerry White wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>"Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message

>>>>>>>>>>>news:OGKUNKJ4HHA.1484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>Jerry White wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>I don't recall anyone ever sayign that of Linux.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>Then you must either be a newbie or else suffering from extreme

>>>>>>>>>>>>memory loss.

>>>>>>>>>>>>Search this ng (if you know how) and I'm sure you'll find that

>>>>>>>>>>>>reference

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>from out resident and/or former linux as*holes.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>Frank

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>I have and have yet to come across someoen saying what you claim.

>>>>>>>>>>>Either provide proof or piss off.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>hahaha...try harder you moron!

>>>>>>>>>>Frank

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>Nice proof... or lack there of...

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>Gave up already huh?

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>On what? I'm still waiting for some semblance of proof from your end,

>>>>>>>which you refuse to produce.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>hahaha...try google and you'll find your so called "proof"...and that

>>>>>>my friend is my response.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>Cite a link or just admit it doesn't exist, as I've yet to find it. The

>>>>>burden of proof is on you.

>>>>

>>>>Google! Got it?

>>>>Google! Got it?

>>>>Google! Got it?

>>>

>>>

>>>Cite a link! Got it?

>>

>>Are you brain dead or what?

>>Google...GOT IT!

>>hehehe...you must be a newbie...lol!

>

>

> So you have no evidence to cite then. One just need to check your posting

> history to be sure of that.

>

> GoAT

>

>

hehehe...don't know how to google huh?

Idiot!

Frank

Adam Albright wrote:

 

>

> This newsgroup was already infested with no nothing blowhards before

> you showed up to add to the noise level.

 

You're the leader of the pack you imbecile!

Frank

Adam Albright wrote:

> On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 21:51:42 -0400, Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote:

>

>

>>In article <5ipkoiF3k79esU1@mid.individual.net>, savagebeaste@yahoo.com

>>says...

>>

>>>"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message

>>>news:MPG.213157bc18d57479989911@adfree.Usenet.com...

>>>

>>>>In article <5ipce0F3q2hflU1@mid.individual.net>, savagebeaste@yahoo.com

>>>>says...

>>>>

>>>>>True. But the big difference is the frequency at which such dumb things

>>>>>happen.

>>>>

>>>>And when the number of Ubuntu users increases so do the dumb things that

>>>>happen.

>>>

>>>So far theres nothing to back that up. You're just guessing that because

>>>Windows is so wide spread, you have a large amount no so bright users. You

>>>don't know that the same will be the typical case in Linux as well as it

>>>grows in population. But what you seem to really be missing is many of the

>>>moving to Linux tend to be those who have at least soem clue of what they

>>>are doing. That could be enough to make a significant difference. If the

>>>less-than-bright types attempt to move I doubt they will last too long

>>>unless they try and educate them sevles, which might actualy be a good thing

>>>in the long run.

>

>

>>And what you seem to be missing, having seen more than 30 years of

>>computing, is that as the masses make moves, they dumb down interfaces

>>so that the ignorant can use them, that Linux, having been a thing of

>>the technical minded people, is starting to become a thing of the

>>ignorant people more and more each day.

>

>

> Well then if "they" whoever the hell that's suppose to be keeps

> dumbing down interfaces then finally you and Frank, two of the most

> clueless and ignorant bozos currently posting to this newsgroup I've

> seen maybe you two some day will be able to learn how to use a

> computer to maybe if you're lucky type your name in Notepad and manage

> to save the file and be able to get it back on the third or fourth

> try.

>

>>What you will see is that the versions of Linux marketed at the HOME

>>user, the non-technical user, will provide an opportunity for them to

>>screw up, and that's the overall OS issue, not really a linux issue, but

>>the overall OS issue.

>>

>>So, as with everything, as the masses adopt it, stupid things get done,

>>the more that adopt it the more stupid things.....

>

>

> I haven't seen anything more stupid than the two idiots named Frank

> and Leythos flapping their gums pretending to be computer experts.

> Damn funny show boys, keep it up.

>

> Hint: Neither of you losers known sh*t about computers or software or

> any OS in particular. You faking that you do no doubt has many rolling

> on the floor in bouts of uncontrolled laughter. You know nothing. Not

> a damn thing. Nada, zip. Anybody reading the slop you two idiots write

> understands that perfectly.

>

 

Still wearing that dirty diaper adam?

I thought your mommy changed it for you?

Diaper rash got you waded up, huh?

Live with it you drunken moron.

Frank

"Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message

news:OtWFluh4HHA.2108@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> Adam Albright wrote:

>

>

>>

>> This newsgroup was already infested with no nothing blowhards before

>> you showed up to add to the noise level.

>

> You're the leader of the pack you imbecile!

 

No, the boy is in a league all by himself old AAA (Adam Albright Attacks) or

old Adam Hopalong aka the NG Deputy Sherriff Barney Phife, trying to

administer his broom stick, hopping on the broom stick like a pony, brand of

justice. :)

 

I am glad I killfiled that forming about the mouth lunatic. What should have

happened to him at birth is they should have strangled him with his on

placenta so that he would have never made it to the Internet.

Frank wrote:

> The poster formerly known as the poster formerly known as Nina DiBoy wrote:

>

>> HeyBub wrote:

>>

>>> The poster fromerly known as 'The poster formerly known as Nina DiBoy'

>>> wrote:

>>>

>>>> Curtis D. Levin wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> The poster formerly known as ??? wrote...

>>>>>

>>>>>> How does this negate the fact that this MVP is being a hypocrate by

>>>>>> doing something that he ran another poster off of the group for?

>>>>>

>>>>> Simple. The other poster was writing about Ubuntu, but

>>>>> probably wasn't pro vista.

>>>>

>>>> Non-issue, has no bearing on this subject whether someone posting an

>>>> off topic post without even labeling it as an OT post is pro vista or

>>>> not.

>>>

>>>

>>> Well, isn't your complaining about the post being off-topic itself

>>> off-topic? It's off-topic squared.

>>>

>>> In other words, isn't a complaint about something being off-topic an

>>> example of hypocrisy?

>>>

>>

>> And what does this post of yours complaining about my 'OT' post

>> accomplish? The same thing, but cubed.

>>

>

> I bet we're now gonna have a math quiz, right?

> Damn!

> Frank

 

Hehe! :)

Well I get off right here! Math isn't one of my stronger subjects.

 

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HeyBub wrote:

> The poster formerly known as the poster formerly known as Nina DiBoy

>>> Well, isn't your complaining about the post being off-topic itself

>>> off-topic? It's off-topic squared.

>>>

>>> In other words, isn't a complaint about something being off-topic an

>>> example of hypocrisy?

>>>

>>>

>> And what does this post of yours complaining about my 'OT' post

>> accomplish? The same thing, but cubed.

>

> I didn't 'complain,' I simply observed. And asked a question.

>

> In my view, complaing about an OT post is, by definition, off-topic.

>

>

 

And it's even more ridiculous for an MVP to do exactly the same thing

that he has loudly complained about another poster doing! Just making

an observation here.

 

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"Jerry White" asked...

>

> "Leythos" wrote in message

>> There are hundreds of posts where Alias suggests Ubuntu or Open Office

>> as the solution to anyones problems with Microsoft. It's nice to see you

>> get nasty when you've failed, shows your level of maturity to the world.

>

> That's not the same as "Ubuntu was the savior of the world" as Frank

> claimed. I've heard people in this group (possible Alias) say the Open

> Office is a viable alternative, and similar with Ubuntu or other Linux

> flavors. Whats wrong with that?

>

 

Actually, that quote is an exaggeration, but "Alias" really did claim that

Linux, in general, and Ubuntu, in particular, didn't *need* any AV or

defrag. Period. Ever.

On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 12:04:19 -0400, here wrote:

> "Jerry White" asked...

>>

>> "Leythos" wrote in message

>>> There are hundreds of posts where Alias suggests Ubuntu or Open Office

>>> as the solution to anyones problems with Microsoft. It's nice to see you

>>> get nasty when you've failed, shows your level of maturity to the world.

>>

>> That's not the same as "Ubuntu was the savior of the world" as Frank

>> claimed. I've heard people in this group (possible Alias) say the Open

>> Office is a viable alternative, and similar with Ubuntu or other Linux

>> flavors. Whats wrong with that?

>>

>

> Actually, that quote is an exaggeration, but "Alias" really did claim that

> Linux, in general, and Ubuntu, in particular, didn't *need* any AV or

> defrag. Period. Ever.

 

Well that's sort of because that happens to be mostly the case. It is

inherently more resistant (note I said resistant, not invulnerable) to

virus / malware attacks than windows is. Also, Postcard.exe from the

latest spammer isn't capable of infecting a linux system. There aren't

enough linux threats in the wild to were you need to be constantly

watching your system like you do under windows. So no, AV isn't really

something one needs overly worry about. The primary use currently for

AV under linux is to protect windows systems (mail servers for example).

 

Bottom line, I'd not recommend someone be oblivious and ignorant of

security and protection...but they don't need to have 20 background

processes like under windows constantly scanning the system.

 

Now as far as defrag goes, yes....never is pretty much the way to put it.

Different file system, it works differently. No, it does not require

defragmentation. It stays defragmented by design. The only time an

ext2/ext3 file system can suffer from any amount of fragmentation that

would actually be of concern is when the disk is past 90% of its capacity

and there just isn't enough free space available to keep it defragmented.

 

But I think that point in time, one needs to worry about a larger or

second hard drive far more than they need to worry about fragmentation.

 

 

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On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 23:22:53 -0400, Curtis D. Levin wrote:

> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message

> news:MPG.21316c3676e125d7989912@adfree.Usenet.com...

>> In article <5ipkoiF3k79esU1@mid.individual.net>, savagebeaste@yahoo.com

>> says...

>>>

>>> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message

>>> news:MPG.213157bc18d57479989911@adfree.Usenet.com...

>>> > In article <5ipce0F3q2hflU1@mid.individual.net>, savagebeaste@yahoo.com

>>> > says...

>>> >> True. But the big difference is the frequency at which such dumb

>>> >> things

>>> >> happen.

>>> >

>>> > And when the number of Ubuntu users increases so do the dumb things

>>> > that

>>> > happen.

>>>

>>> So far theres nothing to back that up. You're just guessing that because

>>> Windows is so wide spread, you have a large amount no so bright users.

>>> You

>>> don't know that the same will be the typical case in Linux as well as it

>>> grows in population. But what you seem to really be missing is many of

>>> the

>>> moving to Linux tend to be those who have at least soem clue of what they

>>> are doing. That could be enough to make a significant difference. If the

>>> less-than-bright types attempt to move I doubt they will last too long

>>> unless they try and educate them sevles, which might actualy be a good

>>> thing

>>> in the long run.

>>

>> And what you seem to be missing, having seen more than 30 years of

>> computing, is that as the masses make moves, they dumb down interfaces

>> so that the ignorant can use them, that Linux, having been a thing of

>> the technical minded people, is starting to become a thing of the

>> ignorant people more and more each day.

>>

>> What you will see is that the versions of Linux marketed at the HOME

>> user, the non-technical user, will provide an opportunity for them to

>> screw up, and that's the overall OS issue, not really a linux issue, but

>> the overall OS issue.

>>

>> So, as with everything, as the masses adopt it, stupid things get done,

>> the more that adopt it the more stupid things.....

>

> My only question is, "Who is actully responsible for Linux?" Linus writes

> the kernel, others write drivers, the GNU tools, etc, ad nauseum, but where

> does the buck actually stop? If they change things, break stuff ( Like what

> happened with Vista) who does something about it? Who do you complain

> to? Hey, if I buy the software pre loaded in a computer, and something

> happens, or isn't working , what can I do, when I call the manufacturer,

> and they say " Well, as soon as the ice melts, and the penguin is

> out..

 

And what do you do with Windows? Who do you call there?

 

If you are having a problem, you think a tech support monkey really

actually cares? You think you can get past the tech support monkeys and

actually talk to someone of importance?

 

Shit, Microsoft won't even give you support unless you pay for it. Paying

for the OS isn't sufficient anymore.

 

Now if you are using, say Ubuntu for example, and you want support beyond

community support? You want someone responsible to call, yell, bitch,

whine and moan at when things don't work? You can have that. Canonical has

support contracts available which you can purchase and you can get all the

tech support you want. 24 hours a day 7 days a week if you want it...just

a phone call away.

 

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Clenna Lumina wrote:

> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message

> news:MPG.213157bc18d57479989911@adfree.Usenet.com...

>> In article <5ipce0F3q2hflU1@mid.individual.net>, savagebeaste@yahoo.com

>> says...

>>> True. But the big difference is the frequency at which such dumb things

>>> happen.

>> And when the number of Ubuntu users increases so do the dumb things that

>> happen.

>

> So far theres nothing to back that up. You're just guessing that because

> Windows is so wide spread, you have a large amount no so bright users. You

> don't know that the same will be the typical case in Linux as well as it

> grows in population. But what you seem to really be missing is many of the

> moving to Linux tend to be those who have at least soem clue of what they

> are doing. That could be enough to make a significant difference. If the

> less-than-bright types attempt to move I doubt they will last too long

> unless they try and educate them sevles, which might actualy be a good thing

> in the long run.

>

 

 

Wonder if Bill Gates has thought of that for advertising purposes...

Windows - the system for dumb users.