mh64 wrote:

> We are getting a new computer and generally only buy a new computer every 5-6

> years, so we take whatever OS comes on the computer at that time(currently

> using XP with no real issues). I keep seeing all the negatives & problems

> with Vista, is it really that bad for a non-technical user like myself?

> Should I be opting for XP instead, because if I do it seems to really limit

> available computer selection?

 

Well, mh64 -- I bet /that/ has clarified things for you :-)

Keep in mind that no matter how good a product is, you will see mostly

negative comments. People with problems tend to spend time looking for

answers. When everything works, they tend to be quiet.

 

I have been around since DOS 3.1 (and TOS 1.2) and I have yet to see an

upgrade that went totally smooth. Most of the time I did not like the new

version ( Actually I did not notice any change with TOS 1.4 except the

ability to recognize a gigantic 4 megs of memory). In the long run, as I

learned to work around the changes that conflicted with the way I used it

and when I found the new tricks that benefited me, I have always been happy

with the upgrades. OK some were really small improvements.

 

--

Joseph Meehan

 

Dia 's Muire duit

 

 

 

"mh64" wrote in message

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> We are getting a new computer and generally only buy a new computer every

> 5-6

> years, so we take whatever OS comes on the computer at that time(currently

> using XP with no real issues). I keep seeing all the negatives & problems

> with Vista, is it really that bad for a non-technical user like myself?

> Should I be opting for XP instead, because if I do it seems to really

> limit

> available computer selection?

Rich T...Judging by what you are posting this is a problem with YOUR

computer...90% of what is obviously not working on your computer is running

just fine on mine and has been for a yr now...So is it really Vista if it

works on other computers ??..I am not picking on you just simply pointing

out that maybe it is YOUR computer....

 

 

"Rich T" wrote in message

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>

> "Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote in message

> news:4F3D4EFE-5723-4C15-AFA3-EBA612371832@microsoft.com...

>> I've been using Windows Vista for well over a year now

>> and have not encountered any significant issues.

>

> No significant issues? How about answering some of my "insignificant

> issues" on this forum then?

>

> eg - completely random, unpredictable USB driver failures casuing repeated

> catastrophic loss of computer use - even mouse fails! Vista unable to load

> new hardware drivers etc?

>

> eg - massive problems with drivers for sound cards so it is impossible to

> use Skype on my Dimension 9200?

>

> eg - perfectly good software and hardware not backwards compatible - ie

> forced to throw out and replace a perfectly good HP printer, Adobe

> Professional 6.0, Garmin 1000 simulator does not work, Symantec Winfax pro

> does not work.

>

> Vista not even compatible with Microsoft products - eg appalling interface

> with Live One Care (which was a brilliant program on XP), Vista does not

> work with my Microsoft mouse, Vista shuts down because of DEP whenever I

> try to import a jpeg movie from my Microsoft PDA phone, Microsoft digital

> fingerprint reader making Windows sidebar gadgets unusable because of the

> red splodge over the gadget - and I could go on and on. I have repeatedly

> sought solutions to these problems on this and other forums and no

> answers. ANd then MVP claim there are no problems !!!! LOOOOOOOOL!!!!

"mh64" wrote in message

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> We are getting a new computer and generally only buy a new computer every 5-6

> years, so we take whatever OS comes on the computer at that time(currently

> using XP with no real issues). I keep seeing all the negatives & problems

> with Vista, is it really that bad for a non-technical user like myself?

> Should I be opting for XP instead, because if I do it seems to really limit

> available computer selection?

 

You've received plenty of good responses.

 

IMO, since you are buying a new computer,

go with Vista. Just be sure to get 2GB of RAM.

 

If you can get by until the manufacturers can release

computers with Vista SP1, that would be best.

 

Vista has improved since it was first released and I now

feel it is superior to XP. I was a bit underwhelmed when

it first came out. I never thought Vista sucked, but I did

expect more. But, I have grown to like it.

 

Bottom line- fundamentally, Vista is a better OS than XP.

It will take some getting used to, but you will.

 

 

-Michael

The date and time was 2/5/2008 6:03 PM, and on a whim, MICHAEL pounded

out on the keyboard:

> "mh64" wrote in message

> news:0E052ADD-743A-4E58-9414-88780E9AE765@microsoft.com...

>> We are getting a new computer and generally only buy a new computer every 5-6

>> years, so we take whatever OS comes on the computer at that time(currently

>> using XP with no real issues). I keep seeing all the negatives & problems

>> with Vista, is it really that bad for a non-technical user like myself?

>> Should I be opting for XP instead, because if I do it seems to really limit

>> available computer selection?

>

> You've received plenty of good responses.

>

> IMO, since you are buying a new computer,

> go with Vista. Just be sure to get 2GB of RAM.

>

> If you can get by until the manufacturers can release

> computers with Vista SP1, that would be best.

>

> Vista has improved since it was first released and I now

> feel it is superior to XP. I was a bit underwhelmed when

> it first came out. I never thought Vista sucked, but I did

> expect more. But, I have grown to like it.

>

> Bottom line- fundamentally, Vista is a better OS than XP.

> It will take some getting used to, but you will.

>

>

> -Michael

>

>

>

 

Curious. How do you feel it's "superior" in running mainstream apps,

which is what most users use on a daily basis?

 

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"just forces users"

Not at all.

Why would you say such a FALSE statement?

You have a CHOICE of whether to CHOOSE to upgrade or not.

Stay with Windows XP or whatever you are using if the does what you

need.

A 6 year old HP printer worked for me on Windows Vista until it died

several months ago.

 

If you CHOOSE to upgrade to Windows XP to Windows Vista, research in

advance to see what if anything needs upgrading.

Much older hardware and software will not work, but much will.

Contact the specific manufacturers to determine Windows Vista

compatibility of your essential software and hardware.

 

This is not new to Windows Vista.

It has been true every time an new operating system is installed.

 

--

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http://www3.telus.net/dandemar

 

 

"Rich T" wrote in message

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> What is so bad about a four year old scanner then? They are just as

> good as a brand new one.

> Same for webcams.

> No significant technical progress (except they are cheaper).

> So why make them obsolete?

>

> Vista is a rip off - just forces users to shell out loads of dosh

> for replacement hardware and software that has no significant

> advantage.

>

> Would you throw away a car every three or four years? Of course not!

> But Vista insists that everything older than three years is

> "obsolete"!!!!

>

> Tell me, what can Office 2007 do that Office 2003 cannot do?

> Answer - absolutely nothing to anybody who lives in the real world.

"Terry R." wrote in message

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> The date and time was 2/5/2008 6:03 PM, and on a whim, MICHAEL pounded out on the keyboard:

>

>> "mh64" wrote in message

>> news:0E052ADD-743A-4E58-9414-88780E9AE765@microsoft.com...

>>> We are getting a new computer and generally only buy a new computer every 5-6

>>> years, so we take whatever OS comes on the computer at that time(currently

>>> using XP with no real issues). I keep seeing all the negatives & problems

>>> with Vista, is it really that bad for a non-technical user like myself?

>>> Should I be opting for XP instead, because if I do it seems to really limit

>>> available computer selection?

>>

>> You've received plenty of good responses.

>>

>> IMO, since you are buying a new computer,

>> go with Vista. Just be sure to get 2GB of RAM.

>>

>> If you can get by until the manufacturers can release

>> computers with Vista SP1, that would be best.

>>

>> Vista has improved since it was first released and I now

>> feel it is superior to XP. I was a bit underwhelmed when

>> it first came out. I never thought Vista sucked, but I did

>> expect more. But, I have grown to like it.

>>

>> Bottom line- fundamentally, Vista is a better OS than XP.

>> It will take some getting used to, but you will.

>

> Curious. How do you feel it's "superior" in running mainstream apps, which is what most

> users use on a daily basis?

 

Vista is superior in memory management and managing overall

system resources. That's led to a more stable operating system.

 

For me, that's meant fewer program lockups and rarely a blue screen.

The blue screens I experienced were early on. I've been using Vista

regularly since June 2006, and as my primary since Dec. 2006.

I feel like I've been using Vista forever now. XP looks dated to me.

I have Vista installed on two desktops and one laptop, and those

machines work great. None of them are brand new either. They

originally had XP Pro installed.

 

Look, I wasn't overly thrilled with Vista in the beginning. I really

expected more. Not quite sure what I expected, but I certainly

didn't feel the "wow". I don't like WGA and how horribly it works

at times for a lot of users, and anyone who defends that implementation

are fools and shills. I'm still amazed there are those who continue to make

excuses for WGA and how badly Microsoft has messed up with using it.

Those morons disgust me.

 

WGA aside, Vista is still a better operating system than XP.

 

Microsoft didn't force anyone to upgrade their existing computers.

And if those XP computers work fine, then don't upgrade if you

don't want to. New computers can even be purchased with XP

if you know where to look.. it's not hard finding them. Especially,

if you buy online. XP isn't going away anytime soon and Microsoft

will be supporting it for several more years. I don't see what the big

deal is. But, as time goes on, newer hardware may not have XP

drivers, that's why I suggest for users buying a newer computer to

go ahead and make the transition to Vista. Even more so with

SP1 being released to manufacturers. Vista has improved since it

was first released and so has the software/hardware made for it.

 

 

-Michael

That depends on their hardware and software,

Unlike you, I will not assume the OPs hardware and software is

incompatible.

Many find there are no issues while others do.

That is why it is essential to research all essential hardware and

software first.

 

Windows Vista performs well for me on an alder desktop and an older

laptop.

The only addition is more memory.

 

--

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http://www3.telus.net/dandemar

 

 

"Pete" wrote in message

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> Sure, get Vista if you want to buy almost all new hardware and

> software. See how your boss likes that.

Strange,

I successfully use two older computers, a desktop and a laptop.

 

Your ASSUMING the needs and limitations of the OP show much of your

own blind bias since you simply know to little to make the judgment

you have made.

Many have no compatibility issues while others do.

that is why it is important to research essential hardware and

software first.

ASSUMING such as you have done does little to help since it ignore the

OPs situation in favor of your blind bias.

 

Your continued inability to use technology is reflective more on your

own inability and less on anything else as long as you continue to

ASSUME.

 

You should research what it means to ASSUME since you regularly ASSUME

in your judgments.

 

--

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http://www3.telus.net/dandemar

 

 

wrote in message

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> For a non-technical user, you should definitely go with XP unless

> you

> intend to install zero apps and install zero peripherals after your

> new PC arrives. Vista is plagued with compability problems, many of

> which still exist even with SP1.

Come on now........the press is all over Vista for compability

problems. La de de da, you a MVP, got this M$ POS to work. I am

assuming you would deem yourself a technical user. THE OP ISN'T

 

 

On Wed, 6 Feb 2008 03:11:09 -0700, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"

wrote:

>Strange,

>I successfully use two older computers, a desktop and a laptop.

>

>Your ASSUMING the needs and limitations of the OP show much of your

>own blind bias since you simply know to little to make the judgment

>you have made.

>Many have no compatibility issues while others do.

>that is why it is important to research essential hardware and

>software first.

>ASSUMING such as you have done does little to help since it ignore the

>OPs situation in favor of your blind bias.

>

>Your continued inability to use technology is reflective more on your

>own inability and less on anything else as long as you continue to

>ASSUME.

>

>You should research what it means to ASSUME since you regularly ASSUME

>in your judgments.

You're trying to be cute (or something) but I for one find it annoying.

 

Terry R wrote in message

> The date and time was 2/5/2008 6:03 PM, and on a whim, MICHAEL pounded

> out on the keyboard:

R. McCarty wrote:

> There are two primary considerations for a new PC with Vista. First

> will all your existing peripherals ( Printer, Scanner, Camera...) work

> with Vista. Secondly do you have any software that you'll want to use

> on the Vista machine. Some software is not compliant.

> Vista is not bad, that's a public perception that has taken hold. As to

> choosing XP that's an option but over your 5-6 year life cycle XP is

> set to become unsupported by Microsoft. There are other things to

> consider such as the fact that new peripherals will soon have ONLY

> driver support for Vista. If you buy a new machine with XP you may

> lock yourself out from using newer devices. The same thing may apply

> to newer applications they may only run on the Vista platform.

 

Or the Linux platform.

 

Alias

 

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www.ubuntu.com

>

> "mh64" wrote in message

> news:0E052ADD-743A-4E58-9414-88780E9AE765@microsoft.com...

>> We are getting a new computer and generally only buy a new computer every

>> 5-6

>> years, so we take whatever OS comes on the computer at that time(currently

>> using XP with no real issues). I keep seeing all the negatives & problems

>> with Vista, is it really that bad for a non-technical user like myself?

>> Should I be opting for XP instead, because if I do it seems to really

>> limit

>> available computer selection?

>

>

The date and time was 2/6/2008 7:02 AM, and on a whim, Bob pounded out

on the keyboard:

> You're trying to be cute (or something) but I for one find it annoying.

>

 

Do I look like I care?

 

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SPAMMER!!!

This ng is not for sale!

Frank

thetruthhurts @homail.com wrote:

> Come on now........the press is all over Vista for compability

> problems.

 

So you base all of your opinions on "press releases" right?

 

La de de da, you a MVP, got this M$ POS to work. I am

> assuming you would deem yourself a technical user. THE OP ISN'T

 

That you can't get Vista to run properly and most users can points to a

probable problem between your little brain and the keyboard.

Frank

The date and time was 2/5/2008 10:18 PM, and on a whim, MICHAEL pounded

out on the keyboard:

>> Curious. How do you feel it's "superior" in running mainstream apps, which is what most

>> users use on a daily basis?

>

> Vista is superior in memory management and managing overall

> system resources. That's led to a more stable operating system.

>

 

"More stable" indeed is relative. I rarely run across workstations

running XP that aren't stable. It seems now the only ones that aren't

are those that have malware infection.

> For me, that's meant fewer program lockups and rarely a blue screen.

> The blue screens I experienced were early on. I've been using Vista

> regularly since June 2006, and as my primary since Dec. 2006.

> I feel like I've been using Vista forever now. XP looks dated to me.

> I have Vista installed on two desktops and one laptop, and those

> machines work great. None of them are brand new either. They

> originally had XP Pro installed.

 

Sure XP looks dated in comparison. But then again, looks don't make it

superior.

>

> Look, I wasn't overly thrilled with Vista in the beginning. I really

> expected more. Not quite sure what I expected, but I certainly

> didn't feel the "wow". I don't like WGA and how horribly it works

> at times for a lot of users, and anyone who defends that implementation

> are fools and shills. I'm still amazed there are those who continue to make

> excuses for WGA and how badly Microsoft has messed up with using it.

> Those morons disgust me.

 

Couldn't agree more.

>

> WGA aside, Vista is still a better operating system than XP.

>

> Microsoft didn't force anyone to upgrade their existing computers.

> And if those XP computers work fine, then don't upgrade if you

> don't want to. New computers can even be purchased with XP

> if you know where to look.. it's not hard finding them. Especially,

> if you buy online. XP isn't going away anytime soon and Microsoft

> will be supporting it for several more years. I don't see what the big

> deal is. But, as time goes on, newer hardware may not have XP

> drivers, that's why I suggest for users buying a newer computer to

> go ahead and make the transition to Vista. Even more so with

> SP1 being released to manufacturers. Vista has improved since it

> was first released and so has the software/hardware made for it.

>

>

> -Michael

>

>

 

I still don't have any clients that are planning to move to Vista. XP

continues to be the OS on new machines. For most businesses, there

isn't any advantage to Vista over XP. As you stated, when the time

comes that new machines don't offer XP drivers, that may change. But I

feel that most will skip Vista and wait until W7 arrives next year.

 

Thanks for your input.

 

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On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 09:24:47 -0800, Frank wrote:

>Alias wrote:

>

>SPAMMER!!!

>This ng is not for sale!

>Frank

 

No, but I guess your brain was

thetruthhurts @homail.com wrote:

 

 

....what's wrong bozo...? Can't get that one little install of Vista to

run properly?

Try getting your mommy to help you...out of your high-chair...hahaha...LOL!

You're stupid!

Frank

Frank wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>

> SPAMMER!!!

> This ng is not for sale!

> Frank

 

I never said it was.

 

Alias

 

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Alias wrote:

> Frank wrote:

>

>> Alias wrote:

>>

>> SPAMMER!!!

>> This ng is not for sale!

>> Frank

>

>

> I never said it was.

>

> Alias

>

> http://www.microscum.com/

> http://www.ubuntu.com/

 

hehehe...what's wrong mr liar, mr troll, mr spammer, mr bigot...got your

panties all in a bunch...LOL!

What a fukkin loser you are!

Frank

Frank wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>

>> Frank wrote:

>>

>>> Alias wrote:

>>>

>>> SPAMMER!!!

>>> This ng is not for sale!

>>> Frank

>>

>>

>> I never said it was.

>>

>> Alias

>>

>> http://www.microscum.com/

>> http://www.ubuntu.com/

>

> hehehe...what's wrong mr liar, mr troll, mr spammer, mr bigot...got your

> panties all in a bunch...LOL!

 

Not at all. You're the one who posts profanity, insults, lies and

bluster, not me.

> What a fukkin loser you are!

> Frank

 

What did I lose, pray tell?

 

Alias

Alias wrote:

> Frank wrote:

>

>> Alias wrote:

>>

>>> Frank wrote:

>>>

>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>

>>>> SPAMMER!!!

>>>> This ng is not for sale!

>>>> Frank

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> I never said it was.

>>>

>>> Alias

>>>

>>> http://www.microscum.com/

>>> http://www.ubuntu.com/

>>

>>

>> hehehe...what's wrong mr liar, mr troll, mr spammer, mr bigot...got

>> your panties all in a bunch...LOL!

>

>

> Not at all. You're the one who posts profanity, insults, lies and

> bluster, not me.

>

>> What a fukkin loser you are!

>> Frank

>

>

> What did I lose, pray tell?

>

> Alias

Yawn.

Frank

I really have no feeling towards it one way or the other, but I will probably

end up with Vista on the new PC we buy just because that's what it comes with

it and I'm not savvy enough to try and run 2 OS at the same time... All I

really need to know is whether I'm going to have problems re-installing

periperals, games or software that are more than 5 years old (or 10 years

old). I guess I will need to research each individual item to check for

compatibility issues, huh?

 

"MIC" wrote:

>

> i like vista, but it does have its problems, thats why these forums

> exist. i was happy with XP SP2, it was very stable and did not have

> many issues with most hardware/software. however i felt the need to

> learn about vista and the only way to do that is to live with it. if a

> problem arises i don't mind spending time resolving it, but this can

> drive some people insane when all they want to do is use the computer

> for whatever. vista is good to look at and very intelligent when

> plugging in periferal devices, but is very resource hungry and needs

> tweaking to perform better. so in conclusion it much depends on your

> temperament and whether you want to learn vista. decide between want

> and need.

>

>

> --

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>

>

Yes, you must research compatibility of your essential hardware and

software.

Most will probably work, maybe all, but research is essential.

 

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"mh64" wrote in message

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>I really have no feeling towards it one way or the other, but I will

>probably

> end up with Vista on the new PC we buy just because that's what it

> comes with

> it and I'm not savvy enough to try and run 2 OS at the same time...

> All I

> really need to know is whether I'm going to have problems

> re-installing

> periperals, games or software that are more than 5 years old (or 10

> years

> old). I guess I will need to research each individual item to check

> for

> compatibility issues, huh?

Your ASSUMPTIONS about the ability and needs of the OP are typical for

you.

This suits your blind agenda.

Non technical users succeed with Windows Vista regularly just as they

have with previous versions of Windows.

Do not confuse non technical with an inability to learn or adapt.

The fact you feel you must be a "technical user" may describe your

own inabilities while saying little about others.

Many people of various skills from very little to a great deal have

success where you regularly claim failure.

That also says much about you.

 

"all over Vista for compatibility problems"

And what have the specific product manufacturers said to you when you

asked them what they are doing about their products compatibility

issues?

 

Windows Vista performs well on two older computers of mine, a laptop

and a desktop.

A FACT you can NOT disprove.

 

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wrote in message

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> Come on now........the press is all over Vista for compability

> problems. La de de da, you a MVP, got this M$ POS to work. I am

> assuming you would deem yourself a technical user. THE OP ISN'T