"Paul Montgomery" <i.m.nonnymous@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message

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> "gerooky" is obviously a troll. I can't understand why everyone is

> replying to him/her.

 

 

True, but it is Sunday, the day of rest from normal work, and time to have

fun.. :-)

 

 

--

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How to construct a good post..

http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm

How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc

Mike's Window - My Blog..

http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

In article <u1qkT1$GJHA.4296@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>,

Mike Hall - MVP <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote:

>

>Bear in mind that run does not imply run really fast, and only an idiot

>would believe that any operating system will run at full speed regardless of

>spec.

>

 

You're too used to the Microsoft world. Most (well, anything but

Vista) other OS's will run their installed set of applications at minimum

spec, and may even be capable of more. That's even true of XP: I regularly

install XP Pro on machines of the PII-300 vintage and it's perfectly stable

and useable.

>

>Drivers have ALWAYS been the responsibility of the peripheral device

>hardware manufacturers. My five year old printer and scanner worked great.

>

A concientous software vendor would provide a compatibility

layer, work vigourously with 3rd party vendors to ensure that drivers

were available, and keep the old system available until the new one was

properly supported.

>

>I am running Ubuntu on a PIII 933, 512mb, 32mb video, and it is worse than

>useless. No fancy graphics, appalling desktop, slow, constant updates,

>wireless adapter will not work with it.

 

Hmmm, well, to borrow a page from the MS apologist's book, you've

done something terribly wrong. Not only are current linuxes actually sold

on hardware at that level, but the recommended minimum is far below what you

have. I suggest that you RTFM.

In article <5quBk.27095$QF5.5964@newsfe08.iad>,

Charles Tomaras <tomaras@tomaras.com> wrote:

>

>forward. Microsoft has had some of the best legacy support of any OS maker

>over the years and in many ways it has handicapped them from advancing in

>anything other than market share.

 

Most complete? Yes. Best? No. They accomplished that support

simply by leaving all the old cruft in place rather than by replacing it

and providing an interface layer.

Hello dear DORK

 

The future has nothing to do with windows.

 

It's the cloud, decentralized computing with low cost machines running thin

clients based on linux.

 

That's the future.. windows is a dinosaur that will die.

 

 

 

 

 

"joel406" <guest@unknown-email.com> wrote in message

news:54be5887fb11d7043cdf05362916367d@nntp-gateway.com...

>

> I'm impressed you can use your keyboard since Vista was to much for ya.

>

> Since your so frustrated with Vista, I would have hated to be around

> when you moved from fat32 to NTFS.

>

> Any inovation will break something. Change destroys the

> old...sometimes. Sometimes the change is more gradual.

>

> Maybe you need to take a class or get a for dummies book. So you can

> catch up to those who have moved on from the old platform.

>

> Instead of complaining maybe you should try to learn. No matter what

> kind of fit you throw about the change. THe change will still come.

> Change with it or sit at home and watch spongebob.

>

>

> --

> joel406

In article <uNa7g$AHJHA.1156@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>,

Mike Hall - MVP <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote:

>

>Vista has shadow copies

 

XP implemented shadow copies but MS chose to make them available

only for server platforms.

>XP needed at least 512mb

 

That's not true at all. You can easily verify that for yourself.

A PII-400 using a 8MB video card and 256MB will run XP just fine, and

even play games that were current at the time such as quake.

>So will Ubuntu run on my old 286? It has the full complement of memory?

>Answer simply please. The old 286 is not as fast on its feet as it once

>appeared to be..

>

Don't be silly.

 

However, Slackware and CentOS run happily on my Thinkpad 755's,

which are 486/DX 50's. 32MB of ram, though, since I've scrounged parts

for them over the years.

 

Remember, linux will run on a 100MHz embedded ARM processor.

You are more of a troll than I. You insist on glorifying a faulty product

and claiming its everyone else's fault but vistas!

 

Look on google and see how much people "love" (im saying this ironically of

course) vista.

 

I don't hate vista, heck I use vista, but I have full understanding of its

qualities and shortcomings.

 

 

 

"Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message

news:eAiQMHBHJHA.4956@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> "Paul Montgomery" <i.m.nonnymous@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message

> news:5a1dd49m2igvqmmtnot0m2v65emibhld9g@4ax.com...

>> "gerooky" is obviously a troll. I can't understand why everyone is

>> replying to him/her.

>

>

> True, but it is Sunday, the day of rest from normal work, and time to have

> fun.. :-)

>

>

> --

> Mike Hall - MVP

> How to construct a good post..

> http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm

> How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..

> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc

> Mike's Window - My Blog..

> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

>

>

>

>

"gerooky" <g@ish.com> wrote in message

news:48d68dab$2@newsgate.x-privat.org...

> You are more of a troll than I. You insist on glorifying a faulty product

> and claiming its everyone else's fault but vistas!

>

> Look on google and see how much people "love" (im saying this ironically

> of course) vista.

>

> I don't hate vista, heck I use vista, but I have full understanding of its

> qualities and shortcomings.

>

>

>

> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message

> news:eAiQMHBHJHA.4956@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> "Paul Montgomery" <i.m.nonnymous@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:5a1dd49m2igvqmmtnot0m2v65emibhld9g@4ax.com...

>>> "gerooky" is obviously a troll. I can't understand why everyone is

>>> replying to him/her.

>>

>>

>> True, but it is Sunday, the day of rest from normal work, and time to

>> have fun.. :-)

>>

>>

>> --

>> Mike Hall - MVP

>> How to construct a good post..

>> http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm

>> How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..

>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc

>> Mike's Window - My Blog..

>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

>>

>>

>>

>>

 

 

And you are always right, yes?

 

 

--

Mike Hall - MVP

How to construct a good post..

http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm

How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc

Mike's Window - My Blog..

http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

In article <48d68dab@newsgate.x-privat.org>, gerooky <g@ish.com> wrote:

>

>That's the future.. windows is a dinosaur that will die.

>

It might evolve into a bird and fly away.

On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 18:08:11 +0000, the wharf rat wrote:

> In article <uNa7g$AHJHA.1156@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>, Mike Hall - MVP

> <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote:

>>

>>Vista has shadow copies

>

> XP implemented shadow copies but MS chose to make them available

> only for server platforms.

>

>>XP needed at least 512mb

>

> That's not true at all. You can easily verify that for yourself.

> A PII-400 using a 8MB video card and 256MB will run XP just fine, and

> even play games that were current at the time such as quake.

>

 

 

Not true ^

 

I run XPsp2 on a PIII-600 with a 64MB Geforce400 and 384MB RAM and it

runs...but is real laggy. My son hated playing CS on that PC .

And god help you if you do an AV scan ... useless PC for 20 minutes.

And that setup is with ~ 12 running processes and using ~70MB ram post

boot.

 

Not true based on my opinion.

 

 

>>So will Ubuntu run on my old 286? It has the full complement of memory?

>>Answer simply please. The old 286 is not as fast on its feet as it once

>>appeared to be..

>>

> Don't be silly.

>

> However, Slackware and CentOS run happily on my Thinkpad 755's,

> which are 486/DX 50's. 32MB of ram, though, since I've scrounged parts

> for them over the years.

>

> Remember, linux will run on a 100MHz embedded ARM processor.

 

 

 

 

 

--

Ens causa sui

Fit caedes omnibus locis

> And you are always right, yes?

 

I am not always right on everything, but in things like this where I have

researched them for endless hours and have personal experience not only on

my machines but others as well, and when I hear the same story from

everyone..

 

well I must be right. You even see microsoft trying to figure out how to

make people accept vista somehow...

 

Its wasted time, all those stupid advertisements, and mojove experiments

will have no effect, they should hurry up and make windows7 as best as

possible fixing all vista blunders,

and give a super good discount to people upgrading from vista.

 

 

 

"Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message

news:#5U#1XBHJHA.3932@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> "gerooky" <g@ish.com> wrote in message

> news:48d68dab$2@newsgate.x-privat.org...

>> You are more of a troll than I. You insist on glorifying a faulty product

>> and claiming its everyone else's fault but vistas!

>>

>> Look on google and see how much people "love" (im saying this ironically

>> of course) vista.

>>

>> I don't hate vista, heck I use vista, but I have full understanding of

>> its qualities and shortcomings.

>>

>>

>>

>> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message

>> news:eAiQMHBHJHA.4956@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>> "Paul Montgomery" <i.m.nonnymous@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message

>>> news:5a1dd49m2igvqmmtnot0m2v65emibhld9g@4ax.com...

>>>> "gerooky" is obviously a troll. I can't understand why everyone is

>>>> replying to him/her.

>>>

>>>

>>> True, but it is Sunday, the day of rest from normal work, and time to

>>> have fun.. :-)

>>>

>>>

>>> --

>>> Mike Hall - MVP

>>> How to construct a good post..

>>> http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm

>>> How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..

>>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc

>>> Mike's Window - My Blog..

>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>

>

> And you are always right, yes?

>

>

> --

> Mike Hall - MVP

> How to construct a good post..

> http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm

> How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..

> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc

> Mike's Window - My Blog..

> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

>

>

>

>

>playing CS

 

what is CS?

 

"D.Eth" <death@thedoor.nxt> wrote in message news:gb63ec$ee$1@aioe.org...

> On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 18:08:11 +0000, the wharf rat wrote:

>

>> In article <uNa7g$AHJHA.1156@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>, Mike Hall - MVP

>> <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote:

>>>

>>>Vista has shadow copies

>>

>> XP implemented shadow copies but MS chose to make them available

>> only for server platforms.

>>

>>>XP needed at least 512mb

>>

>> That's not true at all. You can easily verify that for yourself.

>> A PII-400 using a 8MB video card and 256MB will run XP just fine, and

>> even play games that were current at the time such as quake.

>>

>

>

> Not true ^

>

> I run XPsp2 on a PIII-600 with a 64MB Geforce400 and 384MB RAM and it

> runs...but is real laggy. My son hated playing CS on that PC .

> And god help you if you do an AV scan ... useless PC for 20 minutes.

> And that setup is with ~ 12 running processes and using ~70MB ram post

> boot.

>

> Not true based on my opinion.

>

>

>

>>>So will Ubuntu run on my old 286? It has the full complement of memory?

>>>Answer simply please. The old 286 is not as fast on its feet as it once

>>>appeared to be..

>>>

>> Don't be silly.

>>

>> However, Slackware and CentOS run happily on my Thinkpad 755's,

>> which are 486/DX 50's. 32MB of ram, though, since I've scrounged parts

>> for them over the years.

>>

>> Remember, linux will run on a 100MHz embedded ARM processor.

>

>

>

>

>

> --

> Ens causa sui

> Fit caedes omnibus locis

On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 21:26:56 +0300, gerooky wrote:

>>playing CS

>

> what is CS?

>

 

 

Counter-Strike.

Online shoot'em up game.

 

> "D.Eth" <death@thedoor.nxt> wrote in message

> news:gb63ec$ee$1@aioe.org...

>> On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 18:08:11 +0000, the wharf rat wrote:

>>

>>> In article <uNa7g$AHJHA.1156@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>, Mike Hall - MVP

>>> <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>Vista has shadow copies

>>>

>>> XP implemented shadow copies but MS chose to make them available only

>>> for server platforms.

>>>

>>>>XP needed at least 512mb

>>>

>>> That's not true at all. You can easily verify that for yourself. A

>>> PII-400 using a 8MB video card and 256MB will run XP just fine, and

>>> even play games that were current at the time such as quake.

>>>

>>>

>>

>> Not true ^

>>

>> I run XPsp2 on a PIII-600 with a 64MB Geforce400 and 384MB RAM and it

>> runs...but is real laggy. My son hated playing CS on that PC . And god

>> help you if you do an AV scan ... useless PC for 20 minutes. And that

>> setup is with ~ 12 running processes and using ~70MB ram post boot.

>>

>> Not true based on my opinion.

>>

>>

>>

>>>>So will Ubuntu run on my old 286? It has the full complement of

>>>>memory? Answer simply please. The old 286 is not as fast on its feet

>>>>as it once appeared to be..

>>>>

>>> Don't be silly.

>>>

>>> However, Slackware and CentOS run happily on my Thinkpad 755's, which

>>> are 486/DX 50's. 32MB of ram, though, since I've scrounged parts for

>>> them over the years.

>>>

>>> Remember, linux will run on a 100MHz embedded ARM processor.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> --

>> Ens causa sui

>> Fit caedes omnibus locis

 

 

 

 

 

--

Ens causa sui

Fit caedes omnibus locis

"gerooky" <g@ish.com> wrote in message

news:48d69200@newsgate.x-privat.org...

>> And you are always right, yes?

>

> I am not always right on everything, but in things like this where I have

> researched them for endless hours and have personal experience not only on

> my machines but others as well, and when I hear the same story from

> everyone..

>

> well I must be right. You even see microsoft trying to figure out how to

> make people accept vista somehow...

>

> Its wasted time, all those stupid advertisements, and mojove experiments

> will have no effect, they should hurry up and make windows7 as best as

> possible fixing all vista blunders,

> and give a super good discount to people upgrading from vista.

>

>

 

Using that same logic ... Macs must really,really suck.

(they do to me ... ads or no ads)

 

>

> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message

> news:#5U#1XBHJHA.3932@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>> "gerooky" <g@ish.com> wrote in message

>> news:48d68dab$2@newsgate.x-privat.org...

>>> You are more of a troll than I. You insist on glorifying a faulty

>>> product and claiming its everyone else's fault but vistas!

>>>

>>> Look on google and see how much people "love" (im saying this ironically

>>> of course) vista.

>>>

>>> I don't hate vista, heck I use vista, but I have full understanding of

>>> its qualities and shortcomings.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message

>>> news:eAiQMHBHJHA.4956@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>> "Paul Montgomery" <i.m.nonnymous@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:5a1dd49m2igvqmmtnot0m2v65emibhld9g@4ax.com...

>>>>> "gerooky" is obviously a troll. I can't understand why everyone is

>>>>> replying to him/her.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> True, but it is Sunday, the day of rest from normal work, and time to

>>>> have fun.. :-)

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> --

>>>> Mike Hall - MVP

>>>> How to construct a good post..

>>>> http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm

>>>> How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..

>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc

>>>> Mike's Window - My Blog..

>>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>

>>

>> And you are always right, yes?

>>

>>

>> --

>> Mike Hall - MVP

>> How to construct a good post..

>> http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm

>> How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..

>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc

>> Mike's Window - My Blog..

>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

 

 

 

--

Ens causa sui

Fit caedes omnibus locis

gerooky101745 Wrote:

> The Mojave experiment was no less than MICROSOFT PROPAGANDA of the

> worst

> kind!!!

>

> I find it INSULTING and DEGRADING of my INTELLIGENCE! Who do you think

> you

> are Microsoft, claiming that my perception of vista is not VALID?

>

> Let me tell you what a correct Vista experiment would be like:

>

> STEP 1)

>

> Buy people a computer such as the microsoft sites calls a RECOMMENDED

> configuration for vista

> along with a new copy of Vista ultimate or home premium:

>

> 1 GHz 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (x64) processor

> 1 GB of system memory

> 40 GB hard drive with at least 15 GB of available space

> Support for DirectX 9 graphics with:

> WDDM Driver

> 128 MB of graphics memory (minimum)

> Pixel Shader 2.0 in hardware

> 32 bits per pixel

> DVD-ROM drive

> Audio Output

>

> These machines will be not from one vendor but from all kinds of

> computer

> makers, just to be sure

> that we are covering a large array of different hardware.

>

> NOTE: this is not the basic requirements for Vista... these are the

> following:

> Windows Vista minimum supported system requirements

> Home Basic / Home Premium / Business / Ultimate

>

> 800 MHz processor and 512 MB of system memory

> 20 GB hard drive with at least 15 GB of available space

> Support for Super VGA graphics

> CD-ROM drive

>

> STEP 2) They will NOT be allowed to buy new peripherial hardware. They

> will

> have to find

> drivers for their old printers, scanners, webcams etc.

> Let them SUFFER by searching endless hours for these, and watch vista

> show

> an array of nice stupid blue screens and crashes

>

> STEP 3) If its too hard for them, we will supply a tech to help them

> get

> over the problems so that vista is installed on their new computers.

> We are doing this to prolong their torchure with the next step:

>

> STEP 4) They will have to install all their software, and some of them

> vista

> will no longer be compatible with them. They will add up the cost of

> replacing all that software with new versions.

>

> STEP 5) In the meanwhile a camera will be recording all the FRUSTRATION

> HATE

> ANGER AND DISGUST that the users will have

> towards vista.

>

> STEP 6) Upload this experiment on YOUTUBE on a channel and dedicated

> site,

> to show the world the TRUE CRAPPY NATURE OF VISTA!

>

>

> Conclusion: Vista is "OK" only when you get it PREINSTALLED and on a

> very

> high end computer that is fast enough to handle the TREMENDOUS BLOAT

> and

> SLOPPY code of vista.

> Then you will be in warrantee and IF YOU GET all new hardware making

> sure

> that there are vista drivers, the experience MAY be better than the

> above

> situation.

>

> HOWEVER we must understand that the above experiment is what MOST

> people

> will encounter with the hardware they already own.

 

Ah! I see so basically what you want is that Vista should run on the

same machine that ran Windows 95. Great! I think we should tell Intel

and all other hardware manufacturers that you know what, people don't

want to buy any new hardware, all they need is softwre that can bake

cakes and make toasts but if you tell them to buy new hardware they

can't do it.

 

They want software that can multi-task run Adobe PS CS 3 watch HD

movies browse Web 2.0 sites all on a 486.

 

 

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"gerooky" <g@ish.com> wrote in message

news:48d69200@newsgate.x-privat.org...

>> And you are always right, yes?

>

> I am not always right on everything, but in things like this where I have

> researched them for endless hours and have personal experience not only on

> my machines but others as well, and when I hear the same story from

> everyone..

>

> well I must be right. You even see microsoft trying to figure out how to

> make people accept vista somehow...

>

> Its wasted time, all those stupid advertisements, and mojove experiments

> will have no effect, they should hurry up and make windows7 as best as

> possible fixing all vista blunders,

> and give a super good discount to people upgrading from vista.

>

>

>

> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message

> news:#5U#1XBHJHA.3932@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>> "gerooky" <g@ish.com> wrote in message

>> news:48d68dab$2@newsgate.x-privat.org...

>>> You are more of a troll than I. You insist on glorifying a faulty

>>> product and claiming its everyone else's fault but vistas!

>>>

>>> Look on google and see how much people "love" (im saying this ironically

>>> of course) vista.

>>>

>>> I don't hate vista, heck I use vista, but I have full understanding of

>>> its qualities and shortcomings.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message

>>> news:eAiQMHBHJHA.4956@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>> "Paul Montgomery" <i.m.nonnymous@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:5a1dd49m2igvqmmtnot0m2v65emibhld9g@4ax.com...

>>>>> "gerooky" is obviously a troll. I can't understand why everyone is

>>>>> replying to him/her.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> True, but it is Sunday, the day of rest from normal work, and time to

>>>> have fun.. :-)

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> --

>>>> Mike Hall - MVP

>>>> How to construct a good post..

>>>> http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm

>>>> How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..

>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc

>>>> Mike's Window - My Blog..

>>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>

>>

>> And you are always right, yes?

>>

>>

>> --

>> Mike Hall - MVP

>> How to construct a good post..

>> http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm

>> How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..

>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc

>> Mike's Window - My Blog..

>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

>>

>>

>>

>>

 

 

Ah, I get it now.. you want everything for free.. You should have said so at

the beginning..

 

 

--

Mike Hall - MVP

How to construct a good post..

http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm

How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc

Mike's Window - My Blog..

http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

I didn't say that. I said MS should give a good price for those upgrading

from vista to win7 as a plead for forgiveness for the mistakes they made

with vista.

 

HOWEVER....

 

Im sure you got your copy of vista for free.. didn't you ? Hmmmm?

 

the truth now! lol

 

"Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message

news:#RLp63BHJHA.456@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> "gerooky" <g@ish.com> wrote in message

> news:48d69200@newsgate.x-privat.org...

>>> And you are always right, yes?

>>

>> I am not always right on everything, but in things like this where I have

>> researched them for endless hours and have personal experience not only

>> on my machines but others as well, and when I hear the same story from

>> everyone..

>>

>> well I must be right. You even see microsoft trying to figure out how to

>> make people accept vista somehow...

>>

>> Its wasted time, all those stupid advertisements, and mojove experiments

>> will have no effect, they should hurry up and make windows7 as best as

>> possible fixing all vista blunders,

>> and give a super good discount to people upgrading from vista.

>>

>>

>>

>> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message

>> news:#5U#1XBHJHA.3932@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>> "gerooky" <g@ish.com> wrote in message

>>> news:48d68dab$2@newsgate.x-privat.org...

>>>> You are more of a troll than I. You insist on glorifying a faulty

>>>> product and claiming its everyone else's fault but vistas!

>>>>

>>>> Look on google and see how much people "love" (im saying this

>>>> ironically of course) vista.

>>>>

>>>> I don't hate vista, heck I use vista, but I have full understanding of

>>>> its qualities and shortcomings.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:eAiQMHBHJHA.4956@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>>> "Paul Montgomery" <i.m.nonnymous@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>> news:5a1dd49m2igvqmmtnot0m2v65emibhld9g@4ax.com...

>>>>>> "gerooky" is obviously a troll. I can't understand why everyone is

>>>>>> replying to him/her.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> True, but it is Sunday, the day of rest from normal work, and time to

>>>>> have fun.. :-)

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> --

>>>>> Mike Hall - MVP

>>>>> How to construct a good post..

>>>>> http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm

>>>>> How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..

>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc

>>>>> Mike's Window - My Blog..

>>>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> And you are always right, yes?

>>>

>>>

>>> --

>>> Mike Hall - MVP

>>> How to construct a good post..

>>> http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm

>>> How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..

>>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc

>>> Mike's Window - My Blog..

>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>

>

> Ah, I get it now.. you want everything for free.. You should have said so

> at the beginning..

>

>

> --

> Mike Hall - MVP

> How to construct a good post..

> http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm

> How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..

> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc

> Mike's Window - My Blog..

> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

>

>

>

>

On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 22:16:21 +0300, "gerooky" <g@ish.com> wrote:

>hey they sent people to the moon using computers far less powerful than a

>486

 

Yea, and rest assured it didn't run under Windows. It wouldn't have

even made it 10 feet off the launch pad if Microsoft wrote the OS

code.

"gerooky" <g@ish.com> wrote in message

news:48d69d96$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...

> hey they sent people to the moon using computers far less powerful than a

> 486

>

>

 

But they couldn't play solitaire.

Nor could they carry on their printer and expect the device drivers to be

auto-detected.

 

>

> "iMav" <iMav.3g3pvu@winvistaclub.com> wrote in message

> news:iMav.3g3pvu@winvistaclub.com...

>>

>> gerooky101745 Wrote:

>>> The Mojave experiment was no less than MICROSOFT PROPAGANDA of the

>>> worst

>>> kind!!!

>>>

>>> I find it INSULTING and DEGRADING of my INTELLIGENCE! Who do you think

>>> you

>>> are Microsoft, claiming that my perception of vista is not VALID?

>>>

>>> Let me tell you what a correct Vista experiment would be like:

>>>

>>> STEP 1)

>>>

>>> Buy people a computer such as the microsoft sites calls a RECOMMENDED

>>> configuration for vista

>>> along with a new copy of Vista ultimate or home premium:

>>>

>>> 1 GHz 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (x64) processor

>>> 1 GB of system memory

>>> 40 GB hard drive with at least 15 GB of available space

>>> Support for DirectX 9 graphics with:

>>> WDDM Driver

>>> 128 MB of graphics memory (minimum)

>>> Pixel Shader 2.0 in hardware

>>> 32 bits per pixel

>>> DVD-ROM drive

>>> Audio Output

>>>

>>> These machines will be not from one vendor but from all kinds of

>>> computer

>>> makers, just to be sure

>>> that we are covering a large array of different hardware.

>>>

>>> NOTE: this is not the basic requirements for Vista... these are the

>>> following:

>>> Windows Vista minimum supported system requirements

>>> Home Basic / Home Premium / Business / Ultimate

>>>

>>> 800 MHz processor and 512 MB of system memory

>>> 20 GB hard drive with at least 15 GB of available space

>>> Support for Super VGA graphics

>>> CD-ROM drive

>>>

>>> STEP 2) They will NOT be allowed to buy new peripherial hardware. They

>>> will

>>> have to find

>>> drivers for their old printers, scanners, webcams etc.

>>> Let them SUFFER by searching endless hours for these, and watch vista

>>> show

>>> an array of nice stupid blue screens and crashes

>>>

>>> STEP 3) If its too hard for them, we will supply a tech to help them

>>> get

>>> over the problems so that vista is installed on their new computers.

>>> We are doing this to prolong their torchure with the next step:

>>>

>>> STEP 4) They will have to install all their software, and some of them

>>> vista

>>> will no longer be compatible with them. They will add up the cost of

>>> replacing all that software with new versions.

>>>

>>> STEP 5) In the meanwhile a camera will be recording all the FRUSTRATION

>>> HATE

>>> ANGER AND DISGUST that the users will have

>>> towards vista.

>>>

>>> STEP 6) Upload this experiment on YOUTUBE on a channel and dedicated

>>> site,

>>> to show the world the TRUE CRAPPY NATURE OF VISTA!

>>>

>>>

>>> Conclusion: Vista is "OK" only when you get it PREINSTALLED and on a

>>> very

>>> high end computer that is fast enough to handle the TREMENDOUS BLOAT

>>> and

>>> SLOPPY code of vista.

>>> Then you will be in warrantee and IF YOU GET all new hardware making

>>> sure

>>> that there are vista drivers, the experience MAY be better than the

>>> above

>>> situation.

>>>

>>> HOWEVER we must understand that the above experiment is what MOST

>>> people

>>> will encounter with the hardware they already own.

>>

>> Ah! I see so basically what you want is that Vista should run on the

>> same machine that ran Windows 95. Great! I think we should tell Intel

>> and all other hardware manufacturers that you know what, people don't

>> want to buy any new hardware, all they need is softwre that can bake

>> cakes and make toasts but if you tell them to buy new hardware they

>> can't do it.

>>

>> They want software that can multi-task run Adobe PS CS 3 watch HD

>> movies browse Web 2.0 sites all on a 486.

>>

>>

>> --

>> iMav

>>

>> It's a Microsoft world kid, I am just living in it.

>> 'Being Manan' (http://beingmanan.com)

>> 'EverythigMS | Going Beyond Windows' (http://everythingms.com)

>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>> iMav's Profile: http://winvistaclub.com/forum/member.php?userid=35

>> View this thread: http://winvistaclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22605

>>

 

 

 

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In article <gb63ec$ee$1@aioe.org>, D.Eth <death@thedoor.nxt> wrote:

>

>I run XPsp2 on a PIII-600 with a 64MB Geforce400 and 384MB RAM and it

>runs...but is real laggy. My son hated playing CS on that PC .

 

Counter strike is a fairly recent game, isn't it? Lots more

demanding than quake.

 

I'll repeat the standard line: you did something wrong. My hobby

is refurbishing older systems for non profits. I've installed dozens of

XP systems on P300 class hardware, and with the exception of program load

times and gaming they function comparably to any XP client. In fact,

much of the raw material I get is old Gateway/HP/Dell systems that originally

had XP installed, on low end PIII's or old Athlons.

 

Fixed size swap? Replace that old 6Gb Conner, too. And you should

turn off all that useless UI stuff like font smoothing.

"the wharf rat" <wrat@panix.com> wrote in message

news:gb673a$dlq$1@reader1.panix.com...

> In article <gb63ec$ee$1@aioe.org>, D.Eth <death@thedoor.nxt> wrote:

>>

>>I run XPsp2 on a PIII-600 with a 64MB Geforce400 and 384MB RAM and it

>>runs...but is real laggy. My son hated playing CS on that PC .

>

> Counter strike is a fairly recent game, isn't it? Lots more

> demanding than quake.

>

 

More recent.

Doesn't seem graphically much more complex.

> I'll repeat the standard line: you did something wrong. My hobby

> is refurbishing older systems for non profits. I've installed dozens of

> XP systems on P300 class hardware, and with the exception of program load

> times and gaming they function comparably to any XP client. In fact,

> much of the raw material I get is old Gateway/HP/Dell systems that

> originally

> had XP installed, on low end PIII's or old Athlons.

>

> Fixed size swap? Replace that old 6Gb Conner, too. And you should

> turn off all that useless UI stuff like font smoothing.

>

 

The OS is trimmed down , tho I may give the UI some thought.

The real issue is I have relitively fast systems that I also use (the P3 is

a Gateway my wife still uses).

If I had nothing to compare it to...it would appear to run pretty good.

 

 

 

 

 

--

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Fit caedes omnibus locis

"Ringmaster" <bigtop@VistaGeneralCircus.net> wrote in message

news:qm7dd4p6k58as75mb13cjr60h6vg38icb2@4ax.com...

> On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 22:16:21 +0300, "gerooky" <g@ish.com> wrote:

>

>>hey they sent people to the moon using computers far less powerful than a

>>486

>

> Yea, and rest assured it didn't run under Windows. It wouldn't have

> even made it 10 feet off the launch pad if Microsoft wrote the OS

> code.

>

 

 

The OS does little in that first 10 feet.

 

The fuse was lit...and a huge explosion took place.

I propose that even Alias could accomplish that with a Bic lighter.

 

--

Ens causa sui

Fit caedes omnibus locis

I am going to some pII's away for non profits too...

 

Do you have any tips for making them work a bit better before I see them

off?

 

"the wharf rat" <wrat@panix.com> wrote in message

news:gb673a$dlq$1@reader1.panix.com...

> In article <gb63ec$ee$1@aioe.org>, D.Eth <death@thedoor.nxt> wrote:

>>

>>I run XPsp2 on a PIII-600 with a 64MB Geforce400 and 384MB RAM and it

>>runs...but is real laggy. My son hated playing CS on that PC .

>

> Counter strike is a fairly recent game, isn't it? Lots more

> demanding than quake.

>

> I'll repeat the standard line: you did something wrong. My hobby

> is refurbishing older systems for non profits. I've installed dozens of

> XP systems on P300 class hardware, and with the exception of program load

> times and gaming they function comparably to any XP client. In fact,

> much of the raw material I get is old Gateway/HP/Dell systems that

> originally

> had XP installed, on low end PIII's or old Athlons.

>

> Fixed size swap? Replace that old 6Gb Conner, too. And you should

> turn off all that useless UI stuff like font smoothing.

>

My wife's 6 year old Gateway notebook, which only has 512 MB of RAM, runs Vista Basic just fine. If it was running a preinstalled version, if there was one, it would more than likely bring it to its knees. I'm going to put XP back on it, but only because there are no Vista drivers for her webcam.

--

Pooc, Talisay City

Cebu, Philippines

http://daspicer.com

 

 

"gerooky" <g@ish.com> wrote in message news:48d65e96@newsgate.x-privat.org...

 

Conclusion: Vista is "OK" only when you get it PREINSTALLED and on a very

high end computer that is fast enough to handle the TREMENDOUS BLOAT and

SLOPPY code of vista.

On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 15:12:20 -0400, "Mike Hall - MVP"

<mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote:

 

>Ah, I get it now.. you want everything for free.. You should have said so at

>the beginning..

 

I'm still waiting for any of your smart-ass fanboys to explain how is

it open source software which costs nothing typically works while

Windows which costs hundreds of dollars constantly crashes.

On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 15:41:37 -0400, "D. Eth" <death@thedoor.nxt>

wrote:

>"Ringmaster" <bigtop@VistaGeneralCircus.net> wrote in message

>news:qm7dd4p6k58as75mb13cjr60h6vg38icb2@4ax.com...

>> On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 22:16:21 +0300, "gerooky" <g@ish.com> wrote:

>>

>>>hey they sent people to the moon using computers far less powerful than a

>>>486

>>

>> Yea, and rest assured it didn't run under Windows. It wouldn't have

>> even made it 10 feet off the launch pad if Microsoft wrote the OS

>> code.

>>

>

>

>The OS does little in that first 10 feet.

 

If controlled by Windows it would have had a BSOD and flamed out.

 

This is how "good" Vista is:

 

http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:%20/2007/03/14/mega-blow-to-microsoft-as-us-government-departments-ban-vista/