"98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message news:4687BA93.82EC6487@Guy.com...
| Sudy Nim wrote:
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| > No longer have the program but can't get rid of these keys.
|
| You don't need zone alarm or any firewall.
|
| You should have a nat-router (or a modem with NAT functionality).
|
| Firewall software is obsolete, a nuisance, and an unnecessary drain on
| the performance of your system. Only those living in the past use
| them.
As promised to the group;; I would bust 98 Guy everytime he spouted this
trash.....
Once again, I remind the world to ignore 98 Guy, he has no concern for your
security, and little knowledge of what security means or entails. He
suggests at times to review his postings in here for his various
presentations. I suggest all do.
NOTE specifically, that he NEVER fully tests ANYTHING he presents, and when
confronted with his failings, or what is necessary to proof his issue, he
DOES NOT do the test/proof.
This group has repeatedly advised him to stop these ignorant presentations,
but he persists.
Let's let another person, from another forum place comment [which reflect
every expert's comments across the world btw]
[microsoft.public.windowsXP.network_web]
NOTE: this discusses local network aspects as well.
From: "Vanguard" <no@mail.invalid>
Subject: Re: Do I need two firewalls
Date: Thursday, June 28, 2007 7:25 PM
"Maincat" wrote in message
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> I have a four machine network, all machines going through a router
> that has
> a SPI firewall. I also have a software firewall on each machine.
>
> My question is, do I need the software firewall on each machine?
The router's firewall cannot specify application rules as to whether or
not you want an application to have network access and, if so, just what
types of access that it gets (TCP, UDP, ports, time of access or denial,
etc.). The router's firewall doesn't know what application is
generating what network traffic. Only the software firewall running on
your host can do that. Do you trust everyone of your "normal"
applications won't connect without your permission or without telling
you they are connecting? Feel lucky if that is true.
Software firewalls are handy for regulating network access for
applications running on that host provided those applications aren't
smart malware programs trying to circumvent or disable the firewall
(your router's firewall can't handle malware, either, that makes
otherwise unauthorized and undeclared outbound connections). If you
want some application-centric regulation over software's OUTBOUND access
then you need a local firewall.
Don't expect your router's firewall to be much more useful that
Microsoft's software firewall. You may get some host-centric control
over Internet/network access but other than that then it won't know what
app is trying to get a connection. Routers have very simplistic
firewalls and are not equivalent to firewall appliances. Look at the
router's firewall like you look at Microsoft's software firewall: some
protection from unsolicited inbound connect attempts but nothing for
regulation of outbound connect attempts by applications (and only some
regulation based on hosts). What you get for protection depends
entirely on how potent a firewall is included in the router. Some
routers let you define rules on which hosts can connect to your
intranetwork, to other hosts and which ones on your intranetwork, which
ones get Internet (external) connects, during what times they can
connect, quotas on bandwidth, QOS, and so on, all of which is outbound
regulation (from a host to other hosts or the Internet).
Some routers' firewalls include inbound protection, like stateful packet
inspection, to protect you against unsolicited inbound connect attempts
and may even provide heuristics or rules to detect certain known type of
attacks, but all in all the router's firewall is pretty basic. It may
end up duplicating the inbound protection that your software firewall
provides but it lacks any outbound protection afforded by a software
firewall running on a local host. The inbound duplication isn't
hurtful. It just means that anything your router's firewall caught
doesn't have to be caught by your software firewall and then take CPU
cycles to handle.
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NOTE how important software firewalls are. Many Router manufacturers are
now INCLUDING them with their products. So that should pretty much tell
everyone [even 98 Guy] you STILL need them. The firewalls included with the
routers may or may NOT be sufficient though.
Note also, that myself and others in those prior discussions, have
repeatedly advised 98 Guy, that resource usage is not overly excessive, such
as mine [Kerio PFW] only takes 1.8 M [using memload] whereas MSIMN takes
16.7 [offline], AVG takes 10.6, DDHELP 3.3.
Now the Suites WILL consume much more, but they generally include Spyware,
Anti-v, firewall, email hooks, pop-up blockers, and proxy style servers
among other aspects. XP and Vista versions consume even more [duh]. They may
also be more troublesome to maintain.
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ref/gen/support_end.htm
Maurice discusses continued use of Windows 98 and Millennium after
support end, and how to secure your computer.
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ref/gen/security/firewalls.htm
FIREWALLS - WHY YOU NEED ONE AND WHAT TO DO
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ref/gen/security/antivirus.htm
ANTI-VIRUS Programs as part of your Layered Security
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ref/gen/security/spyware.htm
Anti-spyware programs as part of Layered Security
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ref/gen/security/NETWORKING.htm
GENERAL WINDOWS NETWORKING DIAGNOSTICS AND SETUP - Part 3 of Layered
Security
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ref/gen/security/certs_install.htm
INSTALLATION OF SIGNING AND TRUST CERTIFICATES - PART 4 of LAYERED SECURITY,
an essential part for local and Internet usage
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ref/gen/sys_diagnos.htm
Diagnosing unknown problems or programs in Windows using tools by
Sysinternals and others
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ref/gen/sys_diag2.htm
Diagnosing unknown problems or programs in Windows using tools by
Sysinternals - Part 2 - mainly for NT based systems, though useful for
others
So as usual, ignore the ramblings of 98 Guy... he is nowhere near an
expert, or even a competent computer user, an apparent fact he has displayed
in this group numerous times..
As for your persistent ZoneAlarm entries:
If you have followed the other suggestions [including creating a bootlog
and reviewing it; the inf check; AND check your *Send To* folder] and have
yet to get them removed you could try a registry search.
Regseeker by HoverDesk makes a complete review of your registry for old or
obsolete entries. It also has a search function which you could use to
locate the errant entries. Be extremely careful of what you remove, and make
sure you keep the *Make Backups* checked, just in case. DO NOT remove all of
the ActiveX entries it will find, they are place holders [disabled]... You
can also use Autoruns by sysinternals to review any potential Startup
entries...
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MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
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