Windows XP Boot Up Hang, USB Router

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Moz

I'm having a problem with Windows XP I've been working on a couple of days,
this is the situation I'm in now...

My router has been working fine for months on Vista, but then it stopped
working and I decided to change to XP just for simplicity, now when the
drivers for my router (BT Voyager 2091) are installed on a fresh couple of
Windows XP using a USB connection from router to PC, my PC is prevented from
booting, it hangs just after the XP loading screen, just before login sceen
is meant to appear, sits there with a blank screen. Once the drivers are
installed and I plug the cable into ANY of the 6 USB ports, I cant start up
my computer, if I wait till the computer is started before plugging in the
USB cable to the router, the internet will not work anyway, and the computer
will hang when shutting down.

So in summary, with my USB router cable in, the computer cannot start or
shut down and the internet connection cant be detected, but with it taken out
the computer works fine, but of course the internet wont work in either of
these circumstances and this is what I need.

Curiously, I also had the same problem with Vista, I tried moving to XP and
that got me here with the same problem, but XP is the one I want to get
working for now.

P.S. I have my network drivers installed for my mobo and this router is
currently working fine for another computer connected to it by etherent at
the same time. I have also tried formatted my hd and reinstalled windows a
few times tryin different things to no avail.
 
Moz wrote:
> I'm having a problem with Windows XP I've been working on a couple of days,
> this is the situation I'm in now...
>
> My router has been working fine for months on Vista, but then it stopped
> working and I decided to change to XP just for simplicity, now when the
> drivers for my router (BT Voyager 2091) are installed on a fresh couple of
> Windows XP using a USB connection from router to PC, my PC is prevented from
> booting, it hangs just after the XP loading screen, just before login sceen
> is meant to appear, sits there with a blank screen. Once the drivers are
> installed and I plug the cable into ANY of the 6 USB ports, I cant start up
> my computer, if I wait till the computer is started before plugging in the
> USB cable to the router, the internet will not work anyway, and the computer
> will hang when shutting down.
>
> So in summary, with my USB router cable in, the computer cannot start or
> shut down and the internet connection cant be detected, but with it taken out
> the computer works fine, but of course the internet wont work in either of
> these circumstances and this is what I need.
>
> Curiously, I also had the same problem with Vista, I tried moving to XP and
> that got me here with the same problem, but XP is the one I want to get
> working for now.
>
> P.S. I have my network drivers installed for my mobo and this router is
> currently working fine for another computer connected to it by etherent at
> the same time. I have also tried formatted my hd and reinstalled windows a
> few times tryin different things to no avail.
>

Perhaps you could use an Ethernet switch to work around the USB problem ?
http://compnetworking.about.com/od/homenetworkhardware/f/routervsswitch.htm

Your BT 8091 has DHCP and is a router, so takes the place of "Computer 1" in
this diagram.

http://compnetworking.about.com/od/...twork-Diagrams/Hub-Switch-Network-Diagram.htm

The BT 2091 specs are here.

http://www.voyager.bt.com/wireless_devices/voyager_2091/product_info.htm

Switches are pretty cheap - $10 to $30 should cover it. Check the reviews before buying.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2000400030&Configurator=&Subcategory=30

If you want to look at your USB connection, you can try:

1) Boot computer without device connected.
2) Plug in the USB connection.
3) Use UVCview from Microsoft, to see if the hardware is visible or not.

http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/device/stream/vidcap/UVCViewdwn.mspx

This is an example of a USB device, as seen in the Microsoft viewer.

http://image.donanimhaber.com/image.php/upfiles/110425/3FD99DDFA65948369B268428AE86E66A.jpg

The downloadable driver from the BT site, makes reference to "USB8023".

http://static.btopenworld.com/broadband/adhoc_pages/drivers/BT_Voyager_USB_win_v74.zip

At first, the 8023 number ("USB8023") flew over my head. But after a bit of searching,
it occurred to me that the number refers to IEEE 802.3 Ethernet standard.
It could well be, that modern versions of Windows actually have an NDIS
driver for a USB to Ethernet adapter, that would have worked. It is
possible that you didn't need a driver to get that connection to work
at all. If the BT device didn't follow the rules, then a custom driver
would be required, but a designer would be stupid to do that.

The INF file in the driver package references USB\VID_069A&PID_0318.
That VID belongs to Askey Computer Corp askey.com.tw . So the ADSL
modem/router claims to be made by Askey. If you got their more expensive unit,
it has more Ethernet connectors on it, and is a better fit for most
home users. USB is really a poor choice for a network interface.
Pumping data over Ethernet is less work for the computer.

So take a look with UVCView, and see if VID_069A PID_0318 shows up or not.
If it doesn't show up, there could be a hardware problem with the BT device.

Note - I'm not a networking expert, so perhaps someone else can make
a suggestion on a home networking config. I use a wired router for my
Ethernet ports, and that is becaus my ADSL modem contains no router. My
wired router terminates the PPPOE protocol. Your BT device does all of
that for itself, which is why I suspect a cheap switch is enough to get
you more Ethernet ports.

Paul
 
ta Paul, thanks a lot for the tiem and effort you spent looking into it,
fortunately I will soon be getting a router that has 2 ethernet ports for me
to use, will using ethernet definately avoid this issue?

"Paul" wrote:

> Moz wrote:
> > I'm having a problem with Windows XP I've been working on a couple of days,
> > this is the situation I'm in now...
> >
> > My router has been working fine for months on Vista, but then it stopped
> > working and I decided to change to XP just for simplicity, now when the
> > drivers for my router (BT Voyager 2091) are installed on a fresh couple of
> > Windows XP using a USB connection from router to PC, my PC is prevented from
> > booting, it hangs just after the XP loading screen, just before login sceen
> > is meant to appear, sits there with a blank screen. Once the drivers are
> > installed and I plug the cable into ANY of the 6 USB ports, I cant start up
> > my computer, if I wait till the computer is started before plugging in the
> > USB cable to the router, the internet will not work anyway, and the computer
> > will hang when shutting down.
> >
> > So in summary, with my USB router cable in, the computer cannot start or
> > shut down and the internet connection cant be detected, but with it taken out
> > the computer works fine, but of course the internet wont work in either of
> > these circumstances and this is what I need.
> >
> > Curiously, I also had the same problem with Vista, I tried moving to XP and
> > that got me here with the same problem, but XP is the one I want to get
> > working for now.
> >
> > P.S. I have my network drivers installed for my mobo and this router is
> > currently working fine for another computer connected to it by etherent at
> > the same time. I have also tried formatted my hd and reinstalled windows a
> > few times tryin different things to no avail.
> >
>
> Perhaps you could use an Ethernet switch to work around the USB problem ?
> http://compnetworking.about.com/od/homenetworkhardware/f/routervsswitch.htm
>
> Your BT 8091 has DHCP and is a router, so takes the place of "Computer 1" in
> this diagram.
>
> http://compnetworking.about.com/od/...twork-Diagrams/Hub-Switch-Network-Diagram.htm
>
> The BT 2091 specs are here.
>
> http://www.voyager.bt.com/wireless_devices/voyager_2091/product_info.htm
>
> Switches are pretty cheap - $10 to $30 should cover it. Check the reviews before buying.
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2000400030&Configurator=&Subcategory=30
>
> If you want to look at your USB connection, you can try:
>
> 1) Boot computer without device connected.
> 2) Plug in the USB connection.
> 3) Use UVCview from Microsoft, to see if the hardware is visible or not.
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/device/stream/vidcap/UVCViewdwn.mspx
>
> This is an example of a USB device, as seen in the Microsoft viewer.
>
> http://image.donanimhaber.com/image.php/upfiles/110425/3FD99DDFA65948369B268428AE86E66A.jpg
>
> The downloadable driver from the BT site, makes reference to "USB8023".
>
> http://static.btopenworld.com/broadband/adhoc_pages/drivers/BT_Voyager_USB_win_v74.zip
>
> At first, the 8023 number ("USB8023") flew over my head. But after a bit of searching,
> it occurred to me that the number refers to IEEE 802.3 Ethernet standard.
> It could well be, that modern versions of Windows actually have an NDIS
> driver for a USB to Ethernet adapter, that would have worked. It is
> possible that you didn't need a driver to get that connection to work
> at all. If the BT device didn't follow the rules, then a custom driver
> would be required, but a designer would be stupid to do that.
>
> The INF file in the driver package references USB\VID_069A&PID_0318.
> That VID belongs to Askey Computer Corp askey.com.tw . So the ADSL
> modem/router claims to be made by Askey. If you got their more expensive unit,
> it has more Ethernet connectors on it, and is a better fit for most
> home users. USB is really a poor choice for a network interface.
> Pumping data over Ethernet is less work for the computer.
>
> So take a look with UVCView, and see if VID_069A PID_0318 shows up or not.
> If it doesn't show up, there could be a hardware problem with the BT device.
>
> Note - I'm not a networking expert, so perhaps someone else can make
> a suggestion on a home networking config. I use a wired router for my
> Ethernet ports, and that is becaus my ADSL modem contains no router. My
> wired router terminates the PPPOE protocol. Your BT device does all of
> that for itself, which is why I suspect a cheap switch is enough to get
> you more Ethernet ports.
>
> Paul
>
 
In my opinion Ethernet cable connections are better than USB and
preferable to Wireless.

Did you get the drivers for the BT Voyager from the original disk or
updated drivers from the manufacturers web site. BT have an annoying
habit of providing disks containing out of date drivers and not telling
you where to go for updated drivers. They were promoting hard and
distributing Home Hubs a month after Vista was launched which were not
compatible with Vista

--



Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Moz wrote:
> ta Paul, thanks a lot for the tiem and effort you spent looking into
> it, fortunately I will soon be getting a router that has 2 ethernet
> ports for me to use, will using ethernet definately avoid this issue?
>
> "Paul" wrote:
>
>> Moz wrote:
>>> I'm having a problem with Windows XP I've been working on a couple
>>> of days, this is the situation I'm in now...
>>>
>>> My router has been working fine for months on Vista, but then it
>>> stopped working and I decided to change to XP just for simplicity,
>>> now when the drivers for my router (BT Voyager 2091) are installed
>>> on a fresh couple of Windows XP using a USB connection from router
>>> to PC, my PC is prevented from booting, it hangs just after the XP
>>> loading screen, just before login sceen is meant to appear, sits
>>> there with a blank screen. Once the drivers are installed and I
>>> plug the cable into ANY of the 6 USB ports, I cant start up my
>>> computer, if I wait till the computer is started before plugging in
>>> the USB cable to the router, the internet will not work anyway, and
>>> the computer will hang when shutting down.
>>>
>>> So in summary, with my USB router cable in, the computer cannot
>>> start or shut down and the internet connection cant be detected,
>>> but with it taken out the computer works fine, but of course the
>>> internet wont work in either of these circumstances and this is
>>> what I need.
>>>
>>> Curiously, I also had the same problem with Vista, I tried moving
>>> to XP and that got me here with the same problem, but XP is the one
>>> I want to get working for now.
>>>
>>> P.S. I have my network drivers installed for my mobo and this
>>> router is currently working fine for another computer connected to
>>> it by etherent at the same time. I have also tried formatted my hd
>>> and reinstalled windows a few times tryin different things to no
>>> avail.
>>>
>>
>> Perhaps you could use an Ethernet switch to work around the USB
>> problem ?
>> http://compnetworking.about.com/od/homenetworkhardware/f/routervsswitch.htm
>>
>> Your BT 8091 has DHCP and is a router, so takes the place of
>> "Computer 1" in
>> this diagram.
>>
>> http://compnetworking.about.com/od/...twork-Diagrams/Hub-Switch-Network-Diagram.htm
>>
>> The BT 2091 specs are here.
>>
>> http://www.voyager.bt.com/wireless_devices/voyager_2091/product_info.htm
>>
>> Switches are pretty cheap - $10 to $30 should cover it. Check the
>> reviews before buying.
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2000400030&Configurator=&Subcategory=30
>>
>> If you want to look at your USB connection, you can try:
>>
>> 1) Boot computer without device connected.
>> 2) Plug in the USB connection.
>> 3) Use UVCview from Microsoft, to see if the hardware is visible or
>> not.
>>
>> http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/device/stream/vidcap/UVCViewdwn.mspx
>>
>> This is an example of a USB device, as seen in the Microsoft viewer.
>>
>> http://image.donanimhaber.com/image.php/upfiles/110425/3FD99DDFA65948369B268428AE86E66A.jpg
>>
>> The downloadable driver from the BT site, makes reference to
>> "USB8023".
>>
>> http://static.btopenworld.com/broadband/adhoc_pages/drivers/BT_Voyager_USB_win_v74.zip
>>
>> At first, the 8023 number ("USB8023") flew over my head. But after a
>> bit of searching, it occurred to me that the number refers to IEEE
>> 802.3 Ethernet standard.
>> It could well be, that modern versions of Windows actually have an
>> NDIS
>> driver for a USB to Ethernet adapter, that would have worked. It is
>> possible that you didn't need a driver to get that connection to work
>> at all. If the BT device didn't follow the rules, then a custom
>> driver
>> would be required, but a designer would be stupid to do that.
>>
>> The INF file in the driver package references USB\VID_069A&PID_0318.
>> That VID belongs to Askey Computer Corp askey.com.tw . So the ADSL
>> modem/router claims to be made by Askey. If you got their more
>> expensive unit,
>> it has more Ethernet connectors on it, and is a better fit for most
>> home users. USB is really a poor choice for a network interface.
>> Pumping data over Ethernet is less work for the computer.
>>
>> So take a look with UVCView, and see if VID_069A PID_0318 shows up
>> or not.
>> If it doesn't show up, there could be a hardware problem with the BT
>> device.
>>
>> Note - I'm not a networking expert, so perhaps someone else can make
>> a suggestion on a home networking config. I use a wired router for my
>> Ethernet ports, and that is becaus my ADSL modem contains no router.
>> My
>> wired router terminates the PPPOE protocol. Your BT device does all
>> of
>> that for itself, which is why I suspect a cheap switch is enough to
>> get
>> you more Ethernet ports.
>>
>> Paul
 
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