Why people don't care about Linux

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Lord Fauntleroy

Pick any number of Linux users at random and ask them whether they've ever
paid for any piece of software in their Linux setup and the answer will
almost certainly be in the negative. But why is that a bad thing? Isn't it
good that they get everything for free? Isn't that what's best for everyone?
No, it isn't. Since Linux users get all their software without having to pay
a single buck, the perceived value of software (as a whole) becomes zero, or
very close to it, in their opinion.

They won't admit it, but it's a fact that most of them think that way. Add
to that the fact that Linux users generally tend to have two extreme and
conflicting viewpoints about what software should be like. Some users are
easily dazzled by superfluous and completely useless effects (wobbly
windows, blatant overuse of transparency, etc.) and assume that it must be
better than Mac OS X because it's so cosmetically made-up and then there are
others who only need the Terminal and can keep typing on it whole day long.

The problem with the Linux community is that, like any community, it has
members with widely varying interests and preferences and the open source
developers are developing hundreds of distributions to try and cater to
every single whim and fancy of these members. The result is a cornucopia of
free software, software that has been developed at the expense of the hard
work and time of some of the most skilled developers on the planet, and yet
does not have a single product that is complete in and of itself and is
generating any profit at all.

Since open source developers cannot feed themselves through sales of their
software, their only recourse is to devote themselves to another full time
job and contribute to the open source community in their free time. There
is no way whatsoever that thousands of developers sitting in front of their
computers in different corners of the world and spending only their
non-working hours trying to develop something that they know isn't going to
make them any money, are ever going to come up with anything good enough to
seriously challenge software from companies like Microsoft and Apple. There
is just no chance at all.

Linux has been around for more than a decade now and it's nowhere near
challenging either Mac OS X or Windows. The vast majority of hardware and
software makers around the world are still shipping products that are
incompatible with Linux. Linux distributions get major updates in spans of
six months to less than a year. There's no guarantee that the camera you
bought today and is compatible with your Ubuntu installation will work with
Fedora Core too should you change your mind in a few days, as is a common
practice among the Linux enthusiasts.

All of this and more are reasons enough to ignore Linux. Linux users are
never quite sure which one is the best distribution around. They have
debates in their own community with twenty different users vouching for
twenty different variations. They constantly have to keep figuring out
workarounds to make all their software and hardware work together. They
can't just go out and buy a new accessory, assured in the knowledge that it
will work. They are afraid to upgrade, lest things go wrong.

I've tried several Linux distributions myself in the past and have seen a
few of my friends try them too. To date, the only success stories I've heard
of people switching to Linux have been on the Internet and the user
narrating it almost always switches from pirated versions of Windows, which
means that Microsoft does not lose a customer by their switching-and a lot
of them just get bored and switch back after a couple of weeks anyway.
 
"Lord Fauntleroy" <lord@fauntleroy.com> wrote in message
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> Pick any number of Linux users at random and ask them whether they've ever
> paid for any piece of software in their Linux setup and the answer will
> almost certainly be in the negative. But why is that a bad thing? Isn't it
> good that they get everything for free? Isn't that what's best for
> everyone? No, it isn't. Since Linux users get all their software without
> having to pay a single buck, the perceived value of software (as a whole)
> becomes zero, or very close to it, in their opinion.
>
> They won't admit it, but it's a fact that most of them think that way. Add
> to that the fact that Linux users generally tend to have two extreme and
> conflicting viewpoints about what software should be like. Some users are
> easily dazzled by superfluous and completely useless effects (wobbly
> windows, blatant overuse of transparency, etc.) and assume that it must be
> better than Mac OS X because it's so cosmetically made-up and then there
> are others who only need the Terminal and can keep typing on it whole day
> long.
>
> The problem with the Linux community is that, like any community, it has
> members with widely varying interests and preferences and the open source
> developers are developing hundreds of distributions to try and cater to
> every single whim and fancy of these members. The result is a cornucopia
> of free software, software that has been developed at the expense of the
> hard work and time of some of the most skilled developers on the planet,
> and yet does not have a single product that is complete in and of itself
> and is generating any profit at all.
>
> Since open source developers cannot feed themselves through sales of their
> software, their only recourse is to devote themselves to another full time
> job and contribute to the open source community in their free time. There
> is no way whatsoever that thousands of developers sitting in front of
> their computers in different corners of the world and spending only their
> non-working hours trying to develop something that they know isn't going
> to make them any money, are ever going to come up with anything good
> enough to seriously challenge software from companies like Microsoft and
> Apple. There is just no chance at all.
>
> Linux has been around for more than a decade now and it's nowhere near
> challenging either Mac OS X or Windows. The vast majority of hardware and
> software makers around the world are still shipping products that are
> incompatible with Linux. Linux distributions get major updates in spans of
> six months to less than a year. There's no guarantee that the camera you
> bought today and is compatible with your Ubuntu installation will work
> with Fedora Core too should you change your mind in a few days, as is a
> common practice among the Linux enthusiasts.
>
> All of this and more are reasons enough to ignore Linux. Linux users are
> never quite sure which one is the best distribution around. They have
> debates in their own community with twenty different users vouching for
> twenty different variations. They constantly have to keep figuring out
> workarounds to make all their software and hardware work together. They
> can't just go out and buy a new accessory, assured in the knowledge that
> it will work. They are afraid to upgrade, lest things go wrong.
>
> I've tried several Linux distributions myself in the past and have seen a
> few of my friends try them too. To date, the only success stories I've
> heard of people switching to Linux have been on the Internet and the user
> narrating it almost always switches from pirated versions of Windows,
> which means that Microsoft does not lose a customer by their switching-and
> a lot of them just get bored and switch back after a couple of weeks
> anyway.


Not entirely true, but a lot of it is.
The place I have found that Linux shines is for NON-PERSONAL use.
Rather than buy new hardware to meet Vista's specifications (much less
trying to integrate it into our LAN), I have setup about 50 older p2-p3-p4
machines that originally came with W98/ME/NT with Linux.
None would run XP very fast, much less Vista.
In a corporate environment where the machines are used for email, internet
and terminal emulation, they do an excellent job. The systems are secure and
users have no idea how to 'hack' the Linux setup, since they use Windows at
home.
I wouldn't use it for my personal machine, but then I don't use Vista as my
main OS on my personal machine either.
I dual boot XP/Vista on several machines and just can't warm up to what they
did with Vista.
I was fairly vocal during BETA about the design flaws, but they didn't care.
If you like it, great, but don't tell me it's good because my opinion is
quite the opposite.
 
Like the OP, I've tried loads of Linux distros (my current favourite being
Mint), and I have to agree with him.

Every single distro I've tried feels like a "box of bits" rather than a
coherent system (I'm talking about the UI, here, rather than the underlying
architecture).

Also, you really don't need to go very far below the surface before it
explodes into a nightmare of arcane command line instructions and obscure
text-based configuration files. The UI feels very much like a thin shell on
top of a deeply technical and difficult OS.

I have to say that the Linux community really don't know how to put together
a neat and clean user interface. As the OP says, the demos of wobbly,
transparent windows you can find on YouTube are a powerful example of how
NOT to design a user interface.

It's worth pointing out that Microsoft tried all sorts of fancy animations
and other on-screen effects in the early days of Vista, and abandoned almost
all of them after experiences in their useability labs. Just because you
CAN do something doesn't mean you should.

Linux proponents have been declaring "Linux is ready for the desktop" for
years - at least five years, and probably nearer ten. And the fact is,
Linux is still NOWHERE on the desktop (in terms of desktop machines actually
running it).

I don't understand why they bother. Linux is a superbly flexible OS for a
host of other applications, from mobile phones, NAS, web servers, and so on.
Linux is already a major success in all sorts of fields. The fact that it
just doesn't really succeed on the desktop is nothing to be ashamed of.

My PDA runs PalmOS, which is superb for its intended role. But, like LInux,
it isn't suitable for a desktop PC. Does anyone care? No, of course not.
It's horses for courses. And Linux isn't the right horse for the desktop.

I'm happy to predict that it never will be anything other than a VERY niche
desktop OS. And I don't see why the Linux community have so much difficulty
coming to terms with that.

SteveT
 
"Steve Thackery" wrote:

> Like the OP, I've tried loads of Linux distros (my current favourite being
> Mint), and I have to agree with him.
>
> Every single distro I've tried feels like a "box of bits" rather than a
> coherent system (I'm talking about the UI, here, rather than the underlying
> architecture).
>
> Also, you really don't need to go very far below the surface before it
> explodes into a nightmare of arcane command line instructions and obscure
> text-based configuration files. The UI feels very much like a thin shell on
> top of a deeply technical and difficult OS.
>
> I have to say that the Linux community really don't know how to put together
> a neat and clean user interface. As the OP says, the demos of wobbly,
> transparent windows you can find on YouTube are a powerful example of how
> NOT to design a user interface.
>
> It's worth pointing out that Microsoft tried all sorts of fancy animations
> and other on-screen effects in the early days of Vista, and abandoned almost
> all of them after experiences in their useability labs. Just because you
> CAN do something doesn't mean you should.
>
> Linux proponents have been declaring "Linux is ready for the desktop" for
> years - at least five years, and probably nearer ten. And the fact is,
> Linux is still NOWHERE on the desktop (in terms of desktop machines actually
> running it).
>
> I don't understand why they bother. Linux is a superbly flexible OS for a
> host of other applications, from mobile phones, NAS, web servers, and so on.
> Linux is already a major success in all sorts of fields. The fact that it
> just doesn't really succeed on the desktop is nothing to be ashamed of.
>
> My PDA runs PalmOS, which is superb for its intended role. But, like LInux,
> it isn't suitable for a desktop PC. Does anyone care? No, of course not.
> It's horses for courses. And Linux isn't the right horse for the desktop.
>
> I'm happy to predict that it never will be anything other than a VERY niche
> desktop OS. And I don't see why the Linux community have so much difficulty
> coming to terms with that.
>
> SteveT
>
>


I have been using Ubuntu for the past 2 yrs and I haven't tried any other
distros of linux and I am not interested in them.
I do not care whether 100 people use ubuntu or a single soul like me make
use of Ubuntu, as long as it works for me thats all I am interested. It is a
fantastic OS as far as I am concerned and that is very good enough for me to
carry on using it.
 
brummyfan wrote:
>
> I have been using Ubuntu for the past 2 yrs and I haven't tried any other
> distros of linux and I am not interested in them.
> I do not care whether 100 people use ubuntu or a single soul like me make
> use of Ubuntu, as long as it works for me thats all I am interested. It is a
> fantastic OS as far as I am concerned and that is very good enough for me to
> carry on using it.


Whatever!
 
Lord Fauntleroy wrote:
> Pick any number of Linux users at random and ask them whether they've ever
> paid for any piece of software in their Linux setup and the answer will
> almost certainly be in the negative. But why is that a bad thing? Isn't it
> good that they get everything for free? Isn't that what's best for everyone?
> No, it isn't. Since Linux users get all their software without having to pay
> a single buck, the perceived value of software (as a whole) becomes zero, or
> very close to it, in their opinion.
>
> They won't admit it, but it's a fact that most of them think that way. Add
> to that the fact that Linux users generally tend to have two extreme and
> conflicting viewpoints about what software should be like. Some users are
> easily dazzled by superfluous and completely useless effects (wobbly
> windows, blatant overuse of transparency, etc.) and assume that it must be
> better than Mac OS X because it's so cosmetically made-up and then there are
> others who only need the Terminal and can keep typing on it whole day long.
>
> The problem with the Linux community is that, like any community, it has
> members with widely varying interests and preferences and the open source
> developers are developing hundreds of distributions to try and cater to
> every single whim and fancy of these members. The result is a cornucopia of
> free software, software that has been developed at the expense of the hard
> work and time of some of the most skilled developers on the planet, and yet
> does not have a single product that is complete in and of itself and is
> generating any profit at all.
>
> Since open source developers cannot feed themselves through sales of their
> software, their only recourse is to devote themselves to another full time
> job and contribute to the open source community in their free time. There
> is no way whatsoever that thousands of developers sitting in front of their
> computers in different corners of the world and spending only their
> non-working hours trying to develop something that they know isn't going to
> make them any money, are ever going to come up with anything good enough to
> seriously challenge software from companies like Microsoft and Apple. There
> is just no chance at all.
>
> Linux has been around for more than a decade now and it's nowhere near
> challenging either Mac OS X or Windows. The vast majority of hardware and
> software makers around the world are still shipping products that are
> incompatible with Linux. Linux distributions get major updates in spans of
> six months to less than a year. There's no guarantee that the camera you
> bought today and is compatible with your Ubuntu installation will work with
> Fedora Core too should you change your mind in a few days, as is a common
> practice among the Linux enthusiasts.
>
> All of this and more are reasons enough to ignore Linux. Linux users are
> never quite sure which one is the best distribution around. They have
> debates in their own community with twenty different users vouching for
> twenty different variations. They constantly have to keep figuring out
> workarounds to make all their software and hardware work together. They
> can't just go out and buy a new accessory, assured in the knowledge that it
> will work. They are afraid to upgrade, lest things go wrong.
>
> I've tried several Linux distributions myself in the past and have seen a
> few of my friends try them too. To date, the only success stories I've heard
> of people switching to Linux have been on the Internet and the user
> narrating it almost always switches from pirated versions of Windows, which
> means that Microsoft does not lose a customer by their switching-and a lot
> of them just get bored and switch back after a couple of weeks anyway.
>
>


Your FUD based generalizations are pathetic.

Alias
 
Alias wrote:

> Your FUD based generalizations are pathetic.


Counter it Alias, because you are a Linux-Pimp and a guru's guru.
 
Jack the Ripper wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>
>> Your FUD based generalizations are pathetic.

>
> Counter it Alias,


I just did.

> because you are a Linux-Pimp and a guru's guru.


I am neither.

Alias
 
Alias wrote:
> Jack the Ripper wrote:
>> Alias wrote:
>>
>>> Your FUD based generalizations are pathetic.

>>
>> Counter it Alias,

>
> I just did.


What are you smoking? You didn't do *jack* to counter it. -:p
>
>> because you are a Linux-Pimp and a guru's guru.

>
> I am neither.


You're something, and it's not good.
 
Jack the Ripper wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>> Jack the Ripper wrote:
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>
>>>> Your FUD based generalizations are pathetic.
>>>
>>> Counter it Alias,

>>
>> I just did.

>
> What are you smoking? You didn't do *jack* to counter it. -:p


What is it about "FUD based generalizations" that you don't understand?

>>
>>> because you are a Linux-Pimp and a guru's guru.

>>
>> I am neither.

>
> You're something, and it's not good.


As if "Jack the Ripper" is something good.

Alias
 
Alias wrote:
> Jack the Ripper wrote:
>> Alias wrote:
>>> Jack the Ripper wrote:
>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Your FUD based generalizations are pathetic.
>>>>
>>>> Counter it Alias,
>>>
>>> I just did.

>>
>> What are you smoking? You didn't do *jack* to counter it. -:p

>
> What is it about "FUD based generalizations" that you don't understand?


But don't you know that it applies to you and everything you do?
>
>>>
>>>> because you are a Linux-Pimp and a guru's guru.
>>>
>>> I am neither.

>>
>> You're something, and it's not good.

>
> As if "Jack the Ripper" is something good.


Like I care.

You have responded like you usually do, because you are too weak, you're
really touchy about your product, and you have thin skin.

We could go on and on, you're usual MO.

<see ya>
 
brummyfan114515 Wrote:
> "Steve Thackery" wrote:
>
> > Like the OP, I've tried loads of Linux distros (my current favourite

> being
> > Mint), and I have to agree with him.
> >
> > Every single distro I've tried feels like a "box of bits" rather than

> a
> > coherent system (I'm talking about the UI, here, rather than the

> underlying
> > architecture).
> >
> > Also, you really don't need to go very far below the surface before

> it
> > explodes into a nightmare of arcane command line instructions and

> obscure
> > text-based configuration files. The UI feels very much like a thin

> shell on
> > top of a deeply technical and difficult OS.
> >
> > I have to say that the Linux community really don't know how to put

> together
> > a neat and clean user interface. As the OP says, the demos of

> wobbly,
> > transparent windows you can find on YouTube are a powerful example of

> how
> > NOT to design a user interface.
> >
> > It's worth pointing out that Microsoft tried all sorts of fancy

> animations
> > and other on-screen effects in the early days of Vista, and abandoned

> almost
> > all of them after experiences in their useability labs. Just because

> you
> > CAN do something doesn't mean you should.
> >
> > Linux proponents have been declaring "Linux is ready for the desktop"

> for
> > years - at least five years, and probably nearer ten. And the fact

> is,
> > Linux is still NOWHERE on the desktop (in terms of desktop machines

> actually
> > running it).
> >
> > I don't understand why they bother. Linux is a superbly flexible OS

> for a
> > host of other applications, from mobile phones, NAS, web servers, and

> so on.
> > Linux is already a major success in all sorts of fields. The fact

> that it
> > just doesn't really succeed on the desktop is nothing to be ashamed

> of.
> >
> > My PDA runs PalmOS, which is superb for its intended role. But, like

> LInux,
> > it isn't suitable for a desktop PC. Does anyone care? No, of course

> not.
> > It's horses for courses. And Linux isn't the right horse for the

> desktop.
> >
> > I'm happy to predict that it never will be anything other than a VERY

> niche
> > desktop OS. And I don't see why the Linux community have so much

> difficulty
> > coming to terms with that.
> >
> > SteveT
> >
> >

>
> I have been using Ubuntu for the past 2 yrs and I haven't tried any
> other
> distros of linux and I am not interested in them.
> I do not care whether 100 people use ubuntu or a single soul like me
> make
> use of Ubuntu, as long as it works for me thats all I am interested. It
> is a
> fantastic OS as far as I am concerned and that is very good enough for
> me to
> carry on using it.


If thats true,what are you doing on a windows forum? Why are you not on
linux forums helping your fellow users?


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>
> If thats true,what are you doing on a windows forum? Why are you not on
> linux forums helping your fellow users?


Maybe he trying to help the uninformed "see the light".
 
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