What kind of audio files are these and where are they being stored?

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Going to this page - click on the blue icon - obviously the files are
being stored somewhere on my system, since they play back immediately
whenever I go back to the site - I'm on 56k dialup. However, I look
for *.mp3 and come up with nothing, nor do I find them searching by
size and date. As good as they sound, they must be large.

http://jordynshellhart.com/music.htm


Thanks
 
Doc wrote:
> Going to this page - click on the blue icon - obviously the files are
> being stored somewhere on my system, since they play back immediately
> whenever I go back to the site - I'm on 56k dialup. However, I look
> for *.mp3 and come up with nothing, nor do I find them searching by
> size and date. As good as they sound, they must be large.

Stupid Idiot.
 
On Aug 23, 8:38 am, Doc <docsavag...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Going to this page - click on the blue icon - obviously the files are
> being stored somewhere on my system, since they play back immediately
> whenever I go back to the site - I'm on 56k dialup. However, I look
> for *.mp3 and come up with nothing, nor do I find them searching by
> size and date. As good as they sound, they must be large.
>
> http://jordynshellhart.com/music.htm
>
> Thanks

Hello,
This maybe what is called "streaming audio", not being stored on your
unit.
The player being used on the site: Wimpy Player v 5.3.8
With the proper software you can download "streaming audio".
Use a search engine to find an application to record "streaming
audio".

take care.
beamish.
 
Rebecca wrote:

> Doc wrote:
>
>>Going to this page - click on the blue icon - obviously the files are
>>being stored somewhere on my system, since they play back immediately
>>whenever I go back to the site - I'm on 56k dialup. However, I look
>>for *.mp3 and come up with nothing, nor do I find them searching by
>>size and date. As good as they sound, they must be large.
>
>
> Stupid Idiot.
>

1. That's redundant.
2. And your humble is on par with your godlike.
 
"Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Rebecca wrote:
>
>> Doc wrote:
>>
>>>Going to this page - click on the blue icon - obviously the files are
>>>being stored somewhere on my system, since they play back immediately
>>>whenever I go back to the site - I'm on 56k dialup. However, I look
>>>for *.mp3 and come up with nothing, nor do I find them searching by
>>>size and date. As good as they sound, they must be large.
>>
>>
>> Stupid Idiot.
>>
>
> 1. That's redundant.
> 2. And your humble is on par with your godlike.
>

Maybe they think it is scantily clad spam?
 
On Aug 23, 12:07 pm, beami...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> Hello,
> This maybe what is called "streaming audio", not being stored on your
> unit.
> The player being used on the site: Wimpy Player v 5.3.8

No, it must be stored somewhere on the computer. There's a long
download process on the first pass - again, I'm o 56k dialup - but
immediate playback any other time.

I don't find them as .mp3's which makes me think they must be some
other kind of file, perhaps native to the player? But I would think
they're going to be around the same size as .mp3s.
 
Doc wrote:
> Going to this page - click on the blue icon - obviously the files
> are being stored somewhere on my system, since they play back
> immediately whenever I go back to the site - I'm on 56k dialup.
> However, I look for *.mp3 and come up with nothing, nor do I find
> them searching by size and date. As good as they sound, they must
> be large.

As another poster said, they are stored in "temporary internet files".
Size and quality may vary according to the speed of your
connection...with my broadband they are 160 kbps. With your dial up
they may be - but not necessarily are - lower in kbps so that the
downloading speed can keep up with or surpass the playing.

--

dadiOH
____________________________

dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico
 
Doc <docsavage20@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>I don't find them as .mp3's which makes me think they must be some
>other kind of file, perhaps native to the player? But I would think
>they're going to be around the same size as .mp3s.

I have NO idea why this is crossposted to rec.audio.pro, but going to
the "view source" function in your browser will tell you all you want
to know and probably more.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
 
On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 10:58:19 -0700, Doc <docsavage20@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Aug 23, 12:07 pm, beami...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>> Hello,
>> This maybe what is called "streaming audio", not being stored on your
>> unit.
>> The player being used on the site: Wimpy Player v 5.3.8
>
>No, it must be stored somewhere on the computer. There's a long
>download process on the first pass - again, I'm o 56k dialup - but
>immediate playback any other time.
>
>I don't find them as .mp3's which makes me think they must be some
>other kind of file, perhaps native to the player? But I would think
>they're going to be around the same size as .mp3s.

You might try:

1) URL Snooper (includes WinPCap) - this is a kind of packet sniffer
which tells which files your computer is asking for

2) If you're using Firefox, and maybe Mozilla/Netscape there's an
Unplug addon which shows media file links on a page.

3) If you're using IE under XP, the browser cache is usually at

"C:\Documents and Settings\Yourusername\Local Settings\Temporary
Internet Files\Content.IE5" and then there are directories below there
and the files have their online name or something very similar.

Firefox/Netscape caches are more complicated to search because the
files have different names.

I believe there are cache explorer programs for both browsers.
 
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> beami...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> This maybe what is called "streaming audio", not being stored on
>> your
>> unit.
>> The player being used on the site: Wimpy Player v 5.3.8
>
> No, it must be stored somewhere on the computer. There's a long
> download process on the first pass - again, I'm o 56k dialup - but
> immediate playback any other time.

Wrong. Regardless of your claim, there is no requirement that the
audio file be on your host. You keep making claims and then exposing
that you haven't a clue how you are receiving the audio or from where
you are playing it. You downloaded the pointer file which tells your
browser where to find the audio content. The configuration of
whatever player you defined to play the audio type is buffering the
streamed audio (i.e., it downloads some of the data stream before
beginning play mode).

> I don't find them as .mp3's which makes me think they must be some
> other kind of file, perhaps native to the player? But I would think
> they're going to be around the same size as .mp3s.

Which further proves you are retrieving streaming audio. Go read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streaming_audio

Streaming is one method used to keep users like yourself from stealing
content. It can be bypassed by recording the data stream at the
client end.
 
dadiOH wrote:
> Doc wrote:
>> Going to this page - click on the blue icon - obviously the files
>> are being stored somewhere on my system, since they play back
>> immediately whenever I go back to the site - I'm on 56k dialup.
>> However, I look for *.mp3 and come up with nothing, nor do I find
>> them searching by size and date. As good as they sound, they must
>> be large.
>
> As another poster said, they are stored in "temporary internet files".
> Size and quality may vary according to the speed of your
> connection...with my broadband they are 160 kbps. With your dial up
> they may be - but not necessarily are - lower in kbps so that the
> downloading speed can keep up with or surpass the playing.

Keerect!

And to OP:

The reason you can't see them is that you need to be able to view hidden
files:

Right-click Start > Explorer > Tools > Folder Options > View > Files and
Folders > Hidden Files and Folders > check Show Hidden Files and Folders
 
Vanguard wrote:
> "Doc" wrote in message
> news:1187891899.195612.40910@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

>> beami...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> This maybe what is called "streaming audio", not being stored on
>>> your
>>> unit.
>>> The player being used on the site: Wimpy Player v 5.3.8
>>
>> No, it must be stored somewhere on the computer. There's a long
>> download process on the first pass - again, I'm o 56k dialup - but
>> immediate playback any other time.
>
> Wrong. Regardless of your claim, there is no requirement that the
> audio file be on your host. You keep making claims and then exposing
> that you haven't a clue how you are receiving the audio or from where
> you are playing it.

He's not clueless. He has correctly concluded that since he's on dialup
and "[t]here's a long download process on the first pass," it's probably
*not* an instance of streaming. And if you would visit the Web site (
http://jordynshellhart.com/music.htm ), you would see this is true.

> You downloaded the pointer file which tells your
> browser where to find the audio content. The configuration of
> whatever player you defined to play the audio type is buffering the
> streamed audio (i.e., it downloads some of the data stream before
> beginning play mode).

Interesting theory, but not supported by the facts.

>> I don't find them as .mp3's which makes me think they must be some
>> other kind of file, perhaps native to the player? But I would think
>> they're going to be around the same size as .mp3s.
>
> Which further proves you are retrieving streaming audio.

It does nothing of the kind! A better theory would be that OP has
disabled the showing of hidden files and folders.

> Streaming is one method used to keep users like yourself from stealing
> content.

Stealing is a rather strong term!

> It can be bypassed by recording the data stream at the client end.

It's also possible to download streaming content.
 
On Aug 23, 2:05 pm, klu...@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

> I have NO idea why this is crossposted to rec.audio.pro,


Because it seems reasonable to theorize that people who do audio
production might have some experience with internet audio issues. Feel
complimented - I give you credit for likely having a broad base of
experience.


> but going to
> the "view source" function in your browser will tell you all you want
> to know and probably more.


Well, under this heading

<!-- START WIMPY PLAYER CODE -->


I find what appear to be .mp3 titles

http://www.jordynshellhart.com/music/01%20The%20Knot%20Comes%20Untied.mp3|http://www.jordynshellhart.com/music/02%20Hey%20Cowboy.mp3|http://www.jordynshellhart.com/music/03%20Why%20Do%20They%20Call%20It%20Blue.mp3|http://www.jordynshellhart.com/music/04%20Whats%20a%20Girl%20Gotta%20Do.mp3|http://www.jordynshellhart.com/music/05%20Girls%20World.mp3|http://www.jordynshellhart.com/music/06%20Sing%20You%20Back.mp3|http://www.jordynshellhart.com/music/07%20Daddys%20Credit%20Card.mp3|http://www.jordynshellhart.com/music/08%20Only%20Hope.mp3"
/>


But don't find any of these by doing a search using *.mp3 on my C
drive, nor under any of the titles listed.
 
"Doc" <docsavage20@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Aug 23, 2:05 pm, klu...@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
>
>> I have NO idea why this is crossposted to rec.audio.pro,
>
>
> Because it seems reasonable to theorize that people who do audio
> production might have some experience with internet audio issues. Feel
> complimented - I give you credit for likely having a broad base of
> experience.
>
>
>> but going to
>> the "view source" function in your browser will tell you all you want
>> to know and probably more.
>
>
> Well, under this heading
>
> <!-- START WIMPY PLAYER CODE -->
>
>
> I find what appear to be .mp3 titles
>
> http://www.jordynshellhart.com/music/01%20The%20Knot%20Comes%20Untied.mp3|http://www.jordynshellhart.com/music/02%20Hey%20Cowboy.mp3|http://www.jordynshellhart.com/music/03%20Why%20Do%20They%20Call%20It%20Blue.mp3|http://www.jordynshellhart.com/music/04%20Whats%20a%20Girl%20Gotta%20Do.mp3|http://www.jordynshellhart.com/music/05%20Girls%20World.mp3|http://www.jordynshellhart.com/music/06%20Sing%20You%20Back.mp3|http://www.jordynshellhart.com/music/07%20Daddys%20Credit%20Card.mp3|http://www.jordynshellhart.com/music/08%20Only%20Hope.mp3"
> />
>
>
> But don't find any of these by doing a search using *.mp3 on my C
> drive, nor under any of the titles listed.

Search on Windows Explorer doesn't necessarily search EVERY
directory on the drive, especially special Windows directories
such as caches like this.
 
On Aug 23, 3:58 pm, "Daave" <dcwashNOS...@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> wrote:

>
> The reason you can't see them is that you need to be able to view hidden
> files:
>
> Right-click Start > Explorer > Tools > Folder Options > View > Files and
> Folders > Hidden Files and Folders > check Show Hidden Files and Folders


I appreciate the input but that's how it's already set.
 
Doc wrote:
> On Aug 23, 3:58 pm, "Daave" <dcwashNOS...@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> wrote:
>
>> The reason you can't see them is that you need to be able to view hidden
>> files:
>>
>> Right-click Start > Explorer > Tools > Folder Options > View > Files and
>> Folders > Hidden Files and Folders > check Show Hidden Files and Folders
>
>
> I appreciate the input but that's how it's already set.
>


When you do a search you have to tell it to search hidden fileseven if
you have the folder options to show hidden files.
caver1
 
caver1 wrote:
> Doc wrote:
>> On Aug 23, 3:58 pm, "Daave" <dcwashNOS...@myrealboxXYZ.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The reason you can't see them is that you need to be able to view
>>> hidden files:
>>>
>>> Right-click Start > Explorer > Tools > Folder Options > View >
>>> Files and Folders > Hidden Files and Folders > check Show Hidden
>>> Files and Folders
>>
>>
>> I appreciate the input but that's how it's already set.
>>
>
>
> When you do a search you have to tell it to search hidden fileseven if
> you have the folder options to show hidden files.

Good point.
 
Doc wrote:
> On Aug 23, 3:58 pm, "Daave" <dcwashNOS...@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> wrote:
>
>>
>> The reason you can't see them is that you need to be able to view
>> hidden files:
>>
>> Right-click Start > Explorer > Tools > Folder Options > View > Files
>> and Folders > Hidden Files and Folders > check Show Hidden Files and
>> Folders
>
>
> I appreciate the input but that's how it's already set.

Try C:\Documents and Settings\User\Local Settings\Temporary Internet
Files\Content.IE5

I tried the site, and those MP3s are in my TIF folder, so I'm sure
they're in yours, too!
 
"Daave" wrote in message
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> And if you would visit the Web site (
> http://jordynshellhart.com/music.htm ), you would see this is true.

The TIF location for the local store of downloaded files was already
mentioned in a post before mine. I wasn't going to rehash the same
answer. The OP said he didn't see the file there (although, after my
testing below, it was there) so I figured the audio was streamed
because the OP said he couldn't find the file.

I'm not interested in visiting a site that requires you to download or
use an ActiveX control, especially for an unknown and untrusted site.
I also wasn't interested in running their Javascript. The Usenet is
full of trolls and malcontents asking you to visit their malicious
sites. If they were profferring downloadable music files, Javascript
is not a requirement, nor is AX. The site's intent is to provide a
preview of the author's music, not let users steal it. Although they
tried to hide the music source files by using Javascript (to present
the GUI interface for their "player" image) and AX (to handle the
content locally), they did a very poor job because they didn't stream
it. When Flash is involved, usually the content is streamed.

I then looked at the code for the pages. Flash (which is the AX that
was blocked when I visited) is used to present some A/V content, as
in:



They use Javascript to load their "player" which uses a .swf script
using the local AX control. Usually if Flash is involved, the content
is streamed from their server to protect it. Instead the playlist
parameter for the .swf script simply points at URLs for the .mp3
files. For example, the first one is for:

http://www.jordynshellhart.com/music/01 The Knot Comes Untied.mp3

Using that URL, and when WMP opens to play (or whatever player the
user has configured to handle .mp3 media types), the user could use
File -> Save As. That is because a local copy did get saved in the
user's TIF for their browser and File -> Save As is merely making
another copy of it. The use of Flash to handle the music content
eliminates a local player where user could easily use File -> Save
As) however, and due to the lazy coding and a cheap site that doesn't
use a Flash media server, that doesn't stop a user from using the URL
to the file itself (which ends up opening WMP).

>> It can be bypassed by recording the data stream at the client end.
>
> It's also possible to download streaming content.

Recording. Downloading.
Pot-ay-to. Po-tah-to.
 
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Vanguard wrote:
> "Daave" wrote in message
>>> It can be bypassed by recording the data stream at the client end.
>>
>> It's also possible to download streaming content.
>
> Recording. Downloading.
> Pot-ay-to. Po-tah-to.

More like potato and tomato...

If you have either an old PC or a slow dial-up connection, downloading
the *actual* digital file is much more preferable than digitally
recording an analog signal from a sound card, especially if there is a
lot of buffering and stuttering! I don't do this that often, but the few
times I do, I find either Streambox VCR or SDP useful.
 
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