Wasted 8 megs?

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Don't know the answer to your first question, but for the second, have you
tried Outlook Express? It's already on your system. I know, others will dis
OE, but it's worked just fine for me over the last ten years.

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Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Edward" <Edward.Nuxters@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1184953750.618693.207540@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> Not that I care on a 200 gig drive. But I'm just curious as to why
> this happens. Does it have to do with the size of the drive not being
> evenly divisible by the calculated cluster size?
>
> http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00854mediumgj6.jpg
>
> Also, what is a good FREE Windows newsreader?
>
 
In news:1184953750.618693.207540@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com,
Edward <Edward.Nuxters@gmail.com> wrote:
> Not that I care on a 200 gig drive. But I'm just curious as
> to why
> this happens. Does it have to do with the size of the drive
> not being
> evenly divisible by the calculated cluster size?
>
> http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00854mediumgj6.jpg
>
> Also, what is a good FREE Windows newsreader?

Windows leaves that space on a hard drive which has only one
partition in case you ever want to convert the drive from a
basic disk to a dynamic disk. The following article while
written for Windows 2000 also applies to XP.

Unpartitioned Space Remains When Creating a Partition During
Setup
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/293281

As for your second question, what constitutes a "good"
newsreader depends on who you ask. I've found Outlook Express
to be more than adequate for my needs. I've also used Mozilla
Firefox and found it to be just as good.

Good luck

Nepatsfan
 
On 7/20/2007 10:49 AM On a whim, Edward pounded out on the keyboard

> Not that I care on a 200 gig drive. But I'm just curious as to why
> this happens. Does it have to do with the size of the drive not being
> evenly divisible by the calculated cluster size?
>
> http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00854mediumgj6.jpg
>
> Also, what is a good FREE Windows newsreader?
>

Whatever partitioned your drive in the beginning partitioned it that
way. You could have deleted it when you installed XP, but now you will
need a 3rd party solution to delete it and expand the partition to use
all the available space.

Mozilla Thunderbird works okay for newsgroups. You can try it since
it's free. OE suffers a BIG issue with top posting replies AND using a
delimiter when doing so. Very thoughtless IMO to have a proper
newsreader that understands what to do with a delimiter, to eliminate
all of a posting when replying to someone using it. Delimiters were
designed for bottom posting, ONLY to remove signatures.

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Thanks for that explanation about the 8MB. I never could figure that one
out.

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www.grystmill.com

"Nepatsfan" <nepatsfan@SBXXXIX.com> wrote in message
news:uGI%23mqvyHHA.5484@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> In news:1184953750.618693.207540@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com,
> Edward <Edward.Nuxters@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Not that I care on a 200 gig drive. But I'm just curious as to why
>> this happens. Does it have to do with the size of the drive not being
>> evenly divisible by the calculated cluster size?
>>
>> http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00854mediumgj6.jpg
>>
>> Also, what is a good FREE Windows newsreader?
>
> Windows leaves that space on a hard drive which has only one partition in
> case you ever want to convert the drive from a basic disk to a dynamic
> disk. The following article while written for Windows 2000 also applies to
> XP.
>
> Unpartitioned Space Remains When Creating a Partition During Setup
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/293281
>
> As for your second question, what constitutes a "good" newsreader depends
> on who you ask. I've found Outlook Express to be more than adequate for my
> needs. I've also used Mozilla Firefox and found it to be just as good.
>
> Good luck
>
> Nepatsfan
>
>
 
You're welcome.

Nepatsfan

In news:OyThqtvyHHA.4652@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl,
Gary S. Terhune <none> wrote:
> Thanks for that explanation about the 8MB. I never could
> figure that
> one out.
>
>
> "Nepatsfan" <nepatsfan@SBXXXIX.com> wrote in message
> news:uGI%23mqvyHHA.5484@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> In
>> news:1184953750.618693.207540@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com,
>> Edward <Edward.Nuxters@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Not that I care on a 200 gig drive. But I'm just curious
>>> as to why
>>> this happens. Does it have to do with the size of the
>>> drive not
>>> being evenly divisible by the calculated cluster size?
>>>
>>> http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00854mediumgj6.jpg
>>>
>>> Also, what is a good FREE Windows newsreader?
>>
>> Windows leaves that space on a hard drive which has only one
>> partition in case you ever want to convert the drive from a
>> basic
>> disk to a dynamic disk. The following article while written
>> for
>> Windows 2000 also applies to XP.
>>
>> Unpartitioned Space Remains When Creating a Partition During
>> Setup
>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/293281
>>
>> As for your second question, what constitutes a "good"
>> newsreader
>> depends on who you ask. I've found Outlook Express to be
>> more than
>> adequate for my needs. I've also used Mozilla Firefox and
>> found it
>> to be just as good. Good luck
>>
>> Nepatsfan
 
On Jul 20, 2:10 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
> Don't know the answer to your first question, but for the second, have you
> tried Outlook Express? It's already on your system. I know, others will dis
> OE, but it's worked just fine for me over the last ten years.
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS-MVP Shell/Userwww.grystmill.com
>
> "Edward" <Edward.Nuxt...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1184953750.618693.207540@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > Not that I care on a 200 gig drive. But I'm just curious as to why
> > this happens. Does it have to do with the size of the drive not being
> > evenly divisible by the calculated cluster size?
>
> >http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00854mediumgj6.jpg
>
> > Also, what is a good FREE Windows newsreader?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I don't want to use Outlook Express, as I keep my mail and news
completely seperate.
 
On 7/20/2007 11:20 AM On a whim, Nepatsfan pounded out on the keyboard

> In news:1184953750.618693.207540@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com,
> Edward <Edward.Nuxters@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Not that I care on a 200 gig drive. But I'm just curious as
>> to why
>> this happens. Does it have to do with the size of the drive
>> not being
>> evenly divisible by the calculated cluster size?
>>
>> http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00854mediumgj6.jpg
>>
>> Also, what is a good FREE Windows newsreader?
>
> Windows leaves that space on a hard drive which has only one
> partition in case you ever want to convert the drive from a
> basic disk to a dynamic disk. The following article while
> written for Windows 2000 also applies to XP.
>
> Unpartitioned Space Remains When Creating a Partition During
> Setup
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/293281
>
> As for your second question, what constitutes a "good"
> newsreader depends on who you ask. I've found Outlook Express
> to be more than adequate for my needs. I've also used Mozilla
> Firefox and found it to be just as good.
>
> Good luck
>
> Nepatsfan
>
>

I've built or setup countless new installations and have never run
across that before. How is that possible?


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On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 10:49:10 -0700, Edward <Edward.Nuxters@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Not that I care on a 200 gig drive. But I'm just curious as to why
> this happens.


Why what happens? Please describe exactly what you are seeing and
where.


> Does it have to do with the size of the drive not being
> evenly divisible by the calculated cluster size?
>
> http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00854mediumgj6.jpg
>
> Also, what is a good FREE Windows newsreader?


Unless you use binary newsgroups, Outlook Express, which comes with
Windows, works very well for most people. I would start there. If you
don't like it, for further recommendations, tell us why.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
Please Reply to the Newsgroup
 
Edward <Edward.Nuxters@gmail.com> wrote:

> Not that I care on a 200 gig drive. But I'm just curious as to
> why this happens. Does it have to do with the size of the drive
> not being evenly divisible by the calculated cluster size?
>
> http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00854mediumgj6.jpg
>
> Also, what is a good FREE Windows newsreader?

Outlook Express works and you already have it. Others are here:

http://www.newsreaders.com/win/clients.html

I'd recommend Xnews but that's just my personal preference.


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Edward wrote:
>
> Not that I care on a 200 gig drive. But I'm just curious as to why
> this happens. Does it have to do with the size of the drive not being
> evenly divisible by the calculated cluster size?

The 8 megs may just be difference in the way hard drives are sold and
then fdisked.

--
http://www.bootdisk.com/
 
In news:edAMLUxyHHA.3564@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl,
Terry R. <F1ComNOSPAM@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 7/20/2007 11:20 AM On a whim, Nepatsfan pounded out on the
> keyboard
>
>> In
>> news:1184953750.618693.207540@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com,
>> Edward <Edward.Nuxters@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Not that I care on a 200 gig drive. But I'm just curious
>>> as
>>> to why
>>> this happens. Does it have to do with the size of the
>>> drive
>>> not being
>>> evenly divisible by the calculated cluster size?
>>>
>>> http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00854mediumgj6.jpg
>>>
>>> Also, what is a good FREE Windows newsreader?
>>
>> Windows leaves that space on a hard drive which has only one
>> partition in case you ever want to convert the drive from a
>> basic disk to a dynamic disk. The following article while
>> written for Windows 2000 also applies to XP.
>>
>> Unpartitioned Space Remains When Creating a Partition During
>> Setup
>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/293281
>>
>> As for your second question, what constitutes a "good"
>> newsreader depends on who you ask. I've found Outlook
>> Express
>> to be more than adequate for my needs. I've also used
>> Mozilla
>> Firefox and found it to be just as good.
>>
>> Good luck
>>
>> Nepatsfan
>>
>>
>
> I've built or setup countless new installations and have
> never run
> across that before. How is that possible?

> --
> Terry R.

> ***Reply Note***
> Anti-spam measures are included in my email address.
> Delete NOSPAM from the email address after clicking Reply.

I can't speak for why you've never seen that behavior, but it's
been my experience that it happens if you elect to create a
single partition which uses all available hard drive space.
This happens when installing Home or Professional, OEM or
Retail.

From this web site, take note of figures 6 through 8.

Clean Install Procedure with Illustrative Screen Captures
http://www.theeldergeek.com/xp_home_install_-_graphic.htm

If you're installing to a clean hard drive, you should see a
screen similar to this right after you accept the EULA. Note;
If any existing partitions are displayed on this screen, hit
the D key. You have to start with an unpartitioned drive.

Figure 6
http://www.theeldergeek.com/images/XP Home Setup Graphic/FF.gif

Note the disk size is 4095 MB.

If you press the C key to create a partition, you'll arrive at
a screen similar to this. Keep in mind that if you press Enter
here to begin the installation you'll go right to the screen to
select how you want to format the drive, Figure 9. You'll miss
the following screens.

Figure 7
http://www.theeldergeek.com/images/XP Home Setup Graphic/GG.gif

Notice the maximum size of the partition you can create is 4087
MB, 8 MB less than the size displayed earlier. If you were to
enter a number larger than the maximum allowed it will be
rejected. The amount will be reset to the maximum.

When you hit Enter, you're taken to this screen.

Figure 8
http://www.theeldergeek.com/images/XP Home Setup Graphic/HH.gif

Note the second entry, Unpartitioned Space equal to 8 MB.

Note: If you elect to use less than the maximum amount when you
create your partition during installation, the rest of the hard
drive will be available in Disk Management as unallocated
space. Should you create a second partition in Disk Management,
the entire unallocated space will be available. You won't have
the 8 MB set aside.

Here are a couple of MS articles with additional information.

Applies to XP as well as W2K
Setup Reserves Disk Space for Upgrading to Dynamic Disk
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/225822

How To Convert to Basic and Dynamic Disks in Windows XP
Professional
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/309044

Note this comment under General Notes.

"You must have at least 1 megabyte (MB) of free space on any
master boot record (MBR) disk that you want to convert. This
space is automatically reserved when the partition or volume is
created in Microsoft Windows 2000 or Windows XP Professional."

Good luck

Nepatsfan
 
Edward wrote:
> On Jul 20, 2:10 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
>> Don't know the answer to your first question, but for the second,
>> have you tried Outlook Express? It's already on your system. I know,
>> others will dis OE, but it's worked just fine for me over the last
>> ten years.
>>
>> --
>> Gary S. Terhune
>> MS-MVP Shell/Userwww.grystmill.com
>>
>> "Edward" <Edward.Nuxt...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1184953750.618693.207540@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>> Not that I care on a 200 gig drive. But I'm just curious as to why
>>> this happens. Does it have to do with the size of the drive not
>>> being evenly divisible by the calculated cluster size?
>>
>>> http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00854mediumgj6.jpg
>>
>>> Also, what is a good FREE Windows newsreader?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> I don't want to use Outlook Express, as I keep my mail and news
> completely seperate.

What do you mean by wanting to keep the mail and news completely separate?
You don't want to access the news in the same application? Or you don't
want them stored together? As far as storage goes they are separate. OE
stores the mail in a separate file(s) and each newsgroup is in it's own file
too. As for other alternatives Thunderbird and Opera can read usenet.
Although with Opera you're stuck with installing a browser too (although
there's not necessarily anything wrong with that. It's a nice browser).
 
Edward <Edward.Nuxters@gmail.com> wrote:

>Not that I care on a 200 gig drive. But I'm just curious as to why
>this happens.

Not that I don't care... but you have a 200gig drive. 8 megs is a
pittance.

Move on.
 
Edward wrote:
> Not that I care on a 200 gig drive. But I'm just curious as to why
> this happens. Does it have to do with the size of the drive not being
> evenly divisible by the calculated cluster size?
>


The OS sets aside that small amount of space in case you should ever
decide to convert your basic partition into a dynamic partition.


>
> Also, what is a good FREE Windows newsreader?
>


WinXP includes Outlook Express for that purpose, but many people do
prefer other tools. Personally, I use Mozilla Thunderbird
(http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/thunderbird/ ). Google offers several
choices:

http://www.google.com/search?q=free...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a


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On Jul 20, 6:46 pm, "Ken Blake, MVP"
<kbl...@this.is.am.invalid.domain> wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 10:49:10 -0700, Edward <Edward.Nuxt...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Not that I care on a 200 gig drive. But I'm just curious as to why
> > this happens.
>
> Why what happens? Please describe exactly what you are seeing and
> where.



nothing, I just saw the 8megs and wondered.
 
On 7/20/2007 6:02 PM On a whim, Nepatsfan pounded out on the keyboard

> In news:edAMLUxyHHA.3564@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl,
> Terry R. <F1ComNOSPAM@pobox.com> wrote:
>> On 7/20/2007 11:20 AM On a whim, Nepatsfan pounded out on the
>> keyboard
>>
>>> In
>>> news:1184953750.618693.207540@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com,
>>> Edward <Edward.Nuxters@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Not that I care on a 200 gig drive. But I'm just curious
>>>> as
>>>> to why
>>>> this happens. Does it have to do with the size of the
>>>> drive
>>>> not being
>>>> evenly divisible by the calculated cluster size?
>>>>
>>>> http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00854mediumgj6.jpg
>>>>
>>>> Also, what is a good FREE Windows newsreader?
>>> Windows leaves that space on a hard drive which has only one
>>> partition in case you ever want to convert the drive from a
>>> basic disk to a dynamic disk. The following article while
>>> written for Windows 2000 also applies to XP.
>>>
>>> Unpartitioned Space Remains When Creating a Partition During
>>> Setup
>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/293281
>>>
>>> As for your second question, what constitutes a "good"
>>> newsreader depends on who you ask. I've found Outlook
>>> Express
>>> to be more than adequate for my needs. I've also used
>>> Mozilla
>>> Firefox and found it to be just as good.
>>>
>>> Good luck
>>>
>>> Nepatsfan
>>>
>>>
>> I've built or setup countless new installations and have
>> never run
>> across that before. How is that possible?
>
>> --
>> Terry R.
>
>> ***Reply Note***
>> Anti-spam measures are included in my email address.
>> Delete NOSPAM from the email address after clicking Reply.
>
> I can't speak for why you've never seen that behavior, but it's
> been my experience that it happens if you elect to create a
> single partition which uses all available hard drive space.
> This happens when installing Home or Professional, OEM or
> Retail.
>
> From this web site, take note of figures 6 through 8.
>
> Clean Install Procedure with Illustrative Screen Captures
> http://www.theeldergeek.com/xp_home_install_-_graphic.htm
>
> If you're installing to a clean hard drive, you should see a
> screen similar to this right after you accept the EULA. Note;
> If any existing partitions are displayed on this screen, hit
> the D key. You have to start with an unpartitioned drive.
>
> Figure 6
> http://www.theeldergeek.com/images/XP Home Setup Graphic/FF.gif
>
> Note the disk size is 4095 MB.
>
> If you press the C key to create a partition, you'll arrive at
> a screen similar to this. Keep in mind that if you press Enter
> here to begin the installation you'll go right to the screen to
> select how you want to format the drive, Figure 9. You'll miss
> the following screens.
>
> Figure 7
> http://www.theeldergeek.com/images/XP Home Setup Graphic/GG.gif
>
> Notice the maximum size of the partition you can create is 4087
> MB, 8 MB less than the size displayed earlier. If you were to
> enter a number larger than the maximum allowed it will be
> rejected. The amount will be reset to the maximum.
>
> When you hit Enter, you're taken to this screen.
>
> Figure 8
> http://www.theeldergeek.com/images/XP Home Setup Graphic/HH.gif
>
> Note the second entry, Unpartitioned Space equal to 8 MB.
>
> Note: If you elect to use less than the maximum amount when you
> create your partition during installation, the rest of the hard
> drive will be available in Disk Management as unallocated
> space. Should you create a second partition in Disk Management,
> the entire unallocated space will be available. You won't have
> the 8 MB set aside.
>
> Here are a couple of MS articles with additional information.
>
> Applies to XP as well as W2K
> Setup Reserves Disk Space for Upgrading to Dynamic Disk
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/225822
>
> How To Convert to Basic and Dynamic Disks in Windows XP
> Professional
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/309044
>
> Note this comment under General Notes.
>
> "You must have at least 1 megabyte (MB) of free space on any
> master boot record (MBR) disk that you want to convert. This
> space is automatically reserved when the partition or volume is
> created in Microsoft Windows 2000 or Windows XP Professional."
>
> Good luck
>
> Nepatsfan
>
>

Thanks for listing the links, but it doesn't explain why I've never run
across it. Doesn't really matter, unless it's supposed to leave that
space on "all" systems, "all" the time.

Take care,

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