Used Shift+del, with wrong file and need get it back

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When I use Shift+Del to delete permanently a file (in this case "wrong
file"), this file is sent to a hidden folder? Which?

Only way to get it back is, with recovering programs or, can I do it
mannually?
 
"JC" <JC@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> When I use Shift+Del to delete permanently a file (in this case "wrong
> file"), this file is sent to a hidden folder? Which?
>
> Only way to get it back is, with recovering programs or, can I do it
> mannually?

No, Shift+Del will not move a file to a hidden folder. It will
delete it permanently. You have two options to recover it:
- Try one of the countless undelete programs you find on
Google. Note that any activity on your PC - even installing
such a program - will reduce your chances of successful
recovery. It is best to install the undelete program on some
other other PC, then connect your disk to that PC as a
slave disk.
- Restore the file from your backup. If it is an important file
then you must have backed it up. If you haven't then this
is the time to review your backup philosophy. A 2.5" disk
in an external USB case is a low-cost but highly effective
backup medium.
 
JC wrote:
> When I use Shift+Del to delete permanently a file (in this case "wrong
> file"), this file is sent to a hidden folder? Which?
>
> Only way to get it back is, with recovering programs or, can I do it
> mannually?

Shift delete does not send the file to any special folder. It deletes it.
Other than some undelete utility, (google for some), it is gone. And
the more you use the PC the less value an undelete is going to do you.
Thus the reason for backups.
 
Pegasus. Please tell me more about - "A 2.5" disk in an external USB case
is a low-cost but highly effective backup medium. "
Where can I get them ? Thanks.
.......Al

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"Pegasus (MVP)" <I.can@fly.com.oz> wrote in message
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|
| "JC" <JC@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
| news:381FA23C-444F-4C32-AC27-1939EFE20094@microsoft.com...
| > When I use Shift+Del to delete permanently a file (in this case "wrong
| > file"), this file is sent to a hidden folder? Which?
| >
| > Only way to get it back is, with recovering programs or, can I do it
| > mannually?
|
| No, Shift+Del will not move a file to a hidden folder. It will
| delete it permanently. You have two options to recover it:
| - Try one of the countless undelete programs you find on
| Google. Note that any activity on your PC - even installing
| such a program - will reduce your chances of successful
| recovery. It is best to install the undelete program on some
| other other PC, then connect your disk to that PC as a
| slave disk.
| - Restore the file from your backup. If it is an important file
| then you must have backed it up. If you haven't then this
| is the time to review your backup philosophy. A 2.5" disk
| in an external USB case is a low-cost but highly effective
| backup medium.
|
|
 
On Fri, 30 May 2008 19:47:53 -0700, "Big Al" <Big Al@nospam.invalid>
wrote:

>Pegasus. Please tell me more about - "A 2.5" disk in an external USB case
>is a low-cost but highly effective backup medium. "
>Where can I get them ? Thanks.
>......Al

Here are 82 choices at Newegg.com - all with free shipping.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/5zgmkj
 
Big Al wrote:
> Pegasus. Please tell me more about - "A 2.5" disk in an external USB case
> is a low-cost but highly effective backup medium. "
> Where can I get them ? Thanks.
> ......Al
>

Which one of us is going to change our name? You are running Outlook
in California, and I'm running Thunderbird in Baltimore. I can tell
this was not my posting but others will not. Do you have any ideas Big
Al #2?
 
On Sat, 31 May 2008 02:59:23 GMT, Big Al <BigAl@nowhere.com> wrote:

>Big Al wrote:
>> Pegasus. Please tell me more about - "A 2.5" disk in an external USB case
>> is a low-cost but highly effective backup medium. "
>> Where can I get them ? Thanks.
>> ......Al
>>
>
>Which one of us is going to change our name? You are running Outlook
>in California, and I'm running Thunderbird in Baltimore. I can tell
>this was not my posting but others will not. Do you have any ideas Big
>Al #2?

You could be "Big Al in Baltimore"
 
"Big Al" <Big Al@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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> Pegasus. Please tell me more about - "A 2.5" disk in an external USB case
> is a low-cost but highly effective backup medium. "
> Where can I get them ? Thanks.
> ......Al

You can get them from any shop that sells PC accessories.
 
Nonny wrote:
> On Sat, 31 May 2008 02:59:23 GMT, Big Al <BigAl@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>> Big Al wrote:
>>> Pegasus. Please tell me more about - "A 2.5" disk in an external USB case
>>> is a low-cost but highly effective backup medium. "
>>> Where can I get them ? Thanks.
>>> ......Al
>>>
>> Which one of us is going to change our name? You are running Outlook
>> in California, and I'm running Thunderbird in Baltimore. I can tell
>> this was not my posting but others will not. Do you have any ideas Big
>> Al #2?
>
> You could be "Big Al in Baltimore"

I would prefer if Big Al in Calif just started posting, that he change
his name. I have too much history here for 5 months of posting that
searching in Google Groups provides proper hits on my name. If I
change then I have to search for two names to get a complete list.
 
On Sat, 31 May 2008 08:16:49 GMT, Big Al <BigAl@nowhere.com> wrote:

>I would prefer if Big Al in Calif just started posting, that he change
>his name. I have too much history here for 5 months of posting that
>searching in Google Groups provides proper hits on my name. If I
>change then I have to search for two names to get a complete list.

Google groups looks at the entire email address.

The other "Big Al" shows only the one post.
 
Nonny wrote:
> On Sat, 31 May 2008 08:16:49 GMT, Big Al <BigAl@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>> I would prefer if Big Al in Calif just started posting, that he change
>> his name. I have too much history here for 5 months of posting that
>> searching in Google Groups provides proper hits on my name. If I
>> change then I have to search for two names to get a complete list.
>
> Google groups looks at the entire email address.
>
> The other "Big Al" shows only the one post.

What the hell you doing up at this hour. I thought I only had insomnia.
But its what 3:50 in the Great Lakes?
 
On Sat, 31 May 2008 08:51:00 GMT, Big Al <BigAl@nowhere.com> wrote:

>Nonny wrote:
>> On Sat, 31 May 2008 08:16:49 GMT, Big Al <BigAl@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I would prefer if Big Al in Calif just started posting, that he change
>>> his name. I have too much history here for 5 months of posting that
>>> searching in Google Groups provides proper hits on my name. If I
>>> change then I have to search for two names to get a complete list.
>>
>> Google groups looks at the entire email address.
>>
>> The other "Big Al" shows only the one post.
>
>What the hell you doing up at this hour. I thought I only had insomnia.
> But its what 3:50 in the Great Lakes?

I'm old. I sleep poorly (prostate). Computer is five feet from the
bed.
 
If there are some softwares that recover shift+deleted files then, that files
are not permanently deleted... That was what I was thinking... And, by that
reason, I asked a way to do it manually...
So, that developers (of such software) are lying to us?


"Pegasus (MVP)" wrote:

>
> "JC" <JC@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:381FA23C-444F-4C32-AC27-1939EFE20094@microsoft.com...
> > When I use Shift+Del to delete permanently a file (in this case "wrong
> > file"), this file is sent to a hidden folder? Which?
> >
> > Only way to get it back is, with recovering programs or, can I do it
> > mannually?
>
> No, Shift+Del will not move a file to a hidden folder. It will
> delete it permanently. You have two options to recover it:
> - Try one of the countless undelete programs you find on
> Google. Note that any activity on your PC - even installing
> such a program - will reduce your chances of successful
> recovery. It is best to install the undelete program on some
> other other PC, then connect your disk to that PC as a
> slave disk.
> - Restore the file from your backup. If it is an important file
> then you must have backed it up. If you haven't then this
> is the time to review your backup philosophy. A 2.5" disk
> in an external USB case is a low-cost but highly effective
> backup medium.
>
>
>
 
On Sat, 31 May 2008 04:36:00 -0700, JC <JC@discussions.microsoft.com>
wrote:

>If there are some softwares that recover shift+deleted files then, that files
>are not permanently deleted...

"Permanently deleted" means that it is not protected from being over
written as when it is "sent to the recycle bin". The space on the
drive taken by that file can be over written, wiping out the file
forever.

When something is sent to the recycle bin, it's actually not moved,
it's just protected from being over written until you empty the
recycle bin.


>That was what I was thinking... And, by that
>reason, I asked a way to do it manually...
>So, that developers (of such software) are lying to us?
>
>
>"Pegasus (MVP)" wrote:
>
>>
>> "JC" <JC@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:381FA23C-444F-4C32-AC27-1939EFE20094@microsoft.com...
>> > When I use Shift+Del to delete permanently a file (in this case "wrong
>> > file"), this file is sent to a hidden folder? Which?
>> >
>> > Only way to get it back is, with recovering programs or, can I do it
>> > mannually?
>>
>> No, Shift+Del will not move a file to a hidden folder. It will
>> delete it permanently. You have two options to recover it:
>> - Try one of the countless undelete programs you find on
>> Google. Note that any activity on your PC - even installing
>> such a program - will reduce your chances of successful
>> recovery. It is best to install the undelete program on some
>> other other PC, then connect your disk to that PC as a
>> slave disk.
>> - Restore the file from your backup. If it is an important file
>> then you must have backed it up. If you haven't then this
>> is the time to review your backup philosophy. A 2.5" disk
>> in an external USB case is a low-cost but highly effective
>> backup medium.
>>
>>
>>
 
JC wrote:
> If there are some softwares that recover shift+deleted files then, that files
> are not permanently deleted... That was what I was thinking... And, by that
> reason, I asked a way to do it manually...
> So, that developers (of such software) are lying to us?
>
And someone replied that there are undelete programs.
When a file is deleted the directory entry is blanked / removed /
whatever, and the space on the HD is free'd up for use. Nothing is
removed from your pc but the directory entry so you can't see it any longer.
Thus a Undelete program looks for data in the 'free space' that looks
like files and points them out to you. You pick one and 'restore' it
and all the program does it put it back in the directory as a numbered
file. You rename that file and bingo its back.
But as you use your system, and files are created and used and expanded,
the chance of that free space being used and really destroying your old
deleted file becomes more and more possible.
 
"JC" <JC@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:DE35C5BA-356C-4F27-BEE0-9E884331F757@microsoft.com...
> If there are some softwares that recover shift+deleted files then, that
> files
> are not permanently deleted... That was what I was thinking... And, by
> that
> reason, I asked a way to do it manually...
> So, that developers (of such software) are lying to us?
>

Nobody is lying but you need to develop an awareness
of the way data is stored on a partition and what happens
when you delete a file.

When you store data on a partition then two things happen:
- Your data is recorded on one or several disk clusters
that are not already used by some other file.
- An entry is created in a file list. The entry contains
among other things the file name and the exact location
of the clusters it occupies.

When you delete a file then its entry in the file list is
removed. This makes it very hard for you to locate
your data because you no longer know where it is
kept on the partition. It's like finding a person in a
big town whose name is no longer listed in the telephone
directory. He may still be at his address but you won't
know where. "Undelete" programs can search the disk
and find your data - if you're lucky.

Since the space previously occupied by your data is
now flagged as "available", Windows may and will
put other data there, thus overwriting the original data.
This means that your chances of recovering your data
diminish rapidly while you allow Windows goes about its
usual business of writing data to the disk.

This is a simplified explanation but it should drive these
points home:
- Don't use Shift+Del unless you're absolutely convinced
that you never want to use this data again.
- Stop believing that backup solutions are for wimps
only. Important files MUST be backed up regularly to
at least one independent medium. If you choose to ignore
this rule then you must be prepared to pay the price.
 
Ok people.
Thanks for your explanations! Tried some software to recover back
shift+deleted files and had not success to get that file.
Also understand that there is no way to do it mannually... :(
Backup and, also, working not so fast, are the best solution for now.



"Big Al" wrote:

> JC wrote:
> > When I use Shift+Del to delete permanently a file (in this case "wrong
> > file"), this file is sent to a hidden folder? Which?
> >
> > Only way to get it back is, with recovering programs or, can I do it
> > mannually?
>
> Shift delete does not send the file to any special folder. It deletes it.
> Other than some undelete utility, (google for some), it is gone. And
> the more you use the PC the less value an undelete is going to do you.
> Thus the reason for backups.
>
>
 
On Fri, 30 May 2008 21:58:40 -0500, Nonny <nonnymoose@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> On Fri, 30 May 2008 19:47:53 -0700, "Big Al" <Big Al@nospam.invalid>
> wrote:
>
> >Pegasus. Please tell me more about - "A 2.5" disk in an external USB case
> >is a low-cost but highly effective backup medium. "
> >Where can I get them ? Thanks.
> >......Al
>
> Here are 82 choices at Newegg.com - all with free shipping.
>
> http://preview.tinyurl.com/5zgmkj


Let me add a couple of points here:

1. There's no special reason to limit yourself to a 2.5" drive. A 3.5"
one will work just as well.

2. You can buy such external drives at a place like Newegg (or any of
many others), but a more economical choice is often to buy a regular
IDE hard drive and a separate USB enclosure (usually around $25 US).
It's extremely simple to mount the drive inside the enclosure, and
even if you are all thumbs, it will take you under five minutes.

If you want one of these, you should compare prices for preassambled
external drives and separate drives and enclosures.

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"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 30 May 2008 21:58:40 -0500, Nonny <nonnymoose@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 30 May 2008 19:47:53 -0700, "Big Al" <Big Al@nospam.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Pegasus. Please tell me more about - "A 2.5" disk in an external USB
>> >case
>> >is a low-cost but highly effective backup medium. "
>> >Where can I get them ? Thanks.
>> >......Al
>>
>> Here are 82 choices at Newegg.com - all with free shipping.
>>
>> http://preview.tinyurl.com/5zgmkj
>
>
> Let me add a couple of points here:
>
> 1. There's no special reason to limit yourself to a 2.5" drive. A 3.5"
> one will work just as well.

You are completely right, of course, but there are a couple of
points that make a 2.5" disk more attractive:
- 3.5" USB disk cases are big and clunky. 2.5" cases are the
size of a pocket calculator.
- Many (all?) 3.5" USB disk cases require a separate power
pack. Most 2.5" cases will happily run off the USB port,
requiring no separate power supply.
 
On Sat, 31 May 2008 19:43:20 +0200, "Pegasus \(MVP\)"
<I.can@fly.com.oz> wrote:

>
> "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message
> news:3uv244h6vhnmvq1ijo60p4ogbmnrjt0el2@4ax.com...
> > On Fri, 30 May 2008 21:58:40 -0500, Nonny <nonnymoose@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 30 May 2008 19:47:53 -0700, "Big Al" <Big Al@nospam.invalid>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Pegasus. Please tell me more about - "A 2.5" disk in an external USB
> >> >case
> >> >is a low-cost but highly effective backup medium. "
> >> >Where can I get them ? Thanks.
> >> >......Al
> >>
> >> Here are 82 choices at Newegg.com - all with free shipping.
> >>
> >> http://preview.tinyurl.com/5zgmkj
> >
> >
> > Let me add a couple of points here:
> >
> > 1. There's no special reason to limit yourself to a 2.5" drive. A 3.5"
> > one will work just as well.
>
> You are completely right, of course, but there are a couple of
> points that make a 2.5" disk more attractive:
> - 3.5" USB disk cases are big and clunky. 2.5" cases are the
> size of a pocket calculator.
> - Many (all?) 3.5" USB disk cases require a separate power
> pack. Most 2.5" cases will happily run off the USB port,
> requiring no separate power supply.


OK, but to me, neither of those points are significant enough that
they would warrant my spending *any* extra money on it.

And to clarify things for anyone reading this, that "separate power
pack" you speak of for the 3.5" enclosures is not an extra expense it
comes with the enclosure.


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