64 Bit USB problem

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Running XP-SP3 with all updates current. I have a WACOM tablet, driver is

latest version plugged into a USB port in rear of DELL PC. I'll boot up and

get error message,"USB device not recognized...". I check Device Manager and

no flags are showing. I simply plug into another USB port and I get message

that "Human Interface Device found" and my tablet now works. The next day I

boot up and the same error message pops up and the fix is to reverse what I

did the previous day, just plug back into yesterday's "bad USB port". Any

ideas what I am chasing here? Thank you, Steve T.
 
This Almost sounds like a voltage issue

(or even a cold solder joint but it switching is odd that's for sure.)



How many things do you have plugged into your USB Ports?

If you have an Extension that is NOT powered you may be trying to draw too

much voltage.



If you have daisy chained many devices even 1 or 2 more it may be drawing

too much power.



To test remove the un needed devices upon power up and see if that solves

it.

If it works then try getting a "POWERED" USB 2.0 port extension and see If

that solves the issue.



Can you also try a different USB cable for the Device?

Russ



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"Steve T" wrote in message

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> Running XP-SP3 with all updates current. I have a WACOM tablet, driver is

> latest version plugged into a USB port in rear of DELL PC. I'll boot up

> and get error message,"USB device not recognized...". I check Device

> Manager and no flags are showing. I simply plug into another USB port and

> I get message that "Human Interface Device found" and my tablet now works.

> The next day I boot up and the same error message pops up and the fix is

> to reverse what I did the previous day, just plug back into yesterday's

> "bad USB port". Any ideas what I am chasing here? Thank you, Steve T.

>
 
Steve T wrote:

> Running XP-SP3 with all updates current. I have a WACOM tablet, driver is

> latest version plugged into a USB port in rear of DELL PC. I'll boot up and

> get error message,"USB device not recognized...". I check Device Manager and

> no flags are showing. I simply plug into another USB port and I get message

> that "Human Interface Device found" and my tablet now works. The next day I

> boot up and the same error message pops up and the fix is to reverse what I

> did the previous day, just plug back into yesterday's "bad USB port". Any

> ideas what I am chasing here? Thank you, Steve T.

>




I don't know what exactly your problem could be, and the following are

just some leads to tools and suggestions.



*******



Implicit in what you're saying here, is unplugging it and plugging it

into the *same* port, isn't getting the device recognized. That you

have to change ports for it to work.



To test Russ's theory that the issue is electrical, try unplugging it

for two minutes (sufficient time for a Polyfuse to recrystallize), then

plug it into the *same* port. If it malfunctions on the same port again,

the implication would be it is a software problem.



In terms of overcurrent protection on a port, on a desktop it is likely

to be implemented in pairs. The connectors on a "stack of two" USB ports

are likely connected to the same Polyfuse. Moving the USB cable from one

port in a "stack of two", to the other, should not materially affect the

electrical powering situation, and if there was an overcurrent problem, the

misbehavior should continue once you move from one port in the stack

to the other. All my motherboards here are fused in such a way. Laptops

seem to be different, in that a laptop may use a silicon device for

controlling overcurrent, and a small 8 pin DIP cuts off the current.

Laptops should be much more precise about overcurrent, as a result.

And the laptop policing of current flow, should be separate for each

port.



I haven't tried looking through the registry for it, but USB

devices are remembered from one usage to another. For example, if

the USB device has a serial number, then Windows can give a more consistent

response to the device, as it would recognize it had been used before.

If a device doesn't have a serial number, then each plug-in causes

re-installation (perhaps using built-in software stacks such as

HID or USB Mass Storage).



You can look in the file "setupapi.log" and see installation activity

at work.



You can also use UVCView, to look at the config data coming from the device.

I doubt that is going to help in this case, because all you're going to

see, is no endpoints set up for the failed case, and endpoints set up

in the success case. (UVCView is a Microsoft program, no longer offered

for download. The copies on archive.org were also removed, presumably

at Microsoft's request.)



*******

ftp://ftp.efo.ru/pub/ftdichip/Utilities/UVCView.x86.exe

http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/USB_IDs/UVCView.x86.exe



File size is 167,232 bytes.

MD5sum is 93244d84d79314898e62d21cecc4ca5e



This is a picture of what the UVCView info looks like.



http://www.die.de/blog/content/binary/usbview.png



Some information on the parameters seen in UVCView.



http://www.beyondlogic.org/usbnutshell/usb5.htm

*******



That leaves some kind of registry issue. There are some

troubleshooting suggestions here, for various sets of

symptoms.



http://www.uwe-sieber.de/usbtrouble_e.html



An example of removing USB so all devices can be

rediscovered, is detailed here.



http://www.usbman.com/Guides/Cleanup Device Manager Safe Mode.htm



Paul
 
"Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]" wrote in message

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> This Almost sounds like a voltage issue

> (or even a cold solder joint but it switching is odd that's for sure.)

>

> How many things do you have plugged into your USB Ports?




Mouse, keyboard, and Tablet.



> If you have an Extension that is NOT powered you may be trying to draw too

> much voltage.

>

> If you have daisy chained many devices even 1 or 2 more it may be drawing

> too much power.

>

> To test remove the un needed devices upon power up and see if that solves

> it.

> If it works then try getting a "POWERED" USB 2.0 port extension and see If

> that solves the issue.

>

> Can you also try a different USB cable for the Device?




Cable is integral to device.



> Russ

>

> --

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>

> "Steve T" wrote in message

> news:ebrpei4pKHA.4532@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> Running XP-SP3 with all updates current. I have a WACOM tablet, driver is

>> latest version plugged into a USB port in rear of DELL PC. I'll boot up

>> and get error message,"USB device not recognized...". I check Device

>> Manager and no flags are showing. I simply plug into another USB port and

>> I get message that "Human Interface Device found" and my tablet now

>> works. The next day I boot up and the same error message pops up and the

>> fix is to reverse what I did the previous day, just plug back into

>> yesterday's "bad USB port". Any ideas what I am chasing here? Thank you,

>> Steve T.

>>
 
ya I was thinking It might be integrated.

Hmmm



Do you have a friend you can test it out on?

(See if it behaves the same for them?)

Russ



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"Steve T" wrote in message

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>

> "Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]" wrote in message

> news:53A62E8D-0623-4A2A-B2A3-E52A04DC69D1@microsoft.com...

>> This Almost sounds like a voltage issue

>> (or even a cold solder joint but it switching is odd that's for sure.)

>>

>> How many things do you have plugged into your USB Ports?


>

> Mouse, keyboard, and Tablet.

>

>> If you have an Extension that is NOT powered you may be trying to draw

>> too much voltage.

>>

>> If you have daisy chained many devices even 1 or 2 more it may be drawing

>> too much power.

>>

>> To test remove the un needed devices upon power up and see if that solves

>> it.

>> If it works then try getting a "POWERED" USB 2.0 port extension and see

>> If that solves the issue.

>>

>> Can you also try a different USB cable for the Device?


>

> Cable is integral to device.

>

>> Russ

>>

>> --

>> Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]

>> Microsoft Gold Certified Partner

>> Microsoft Certified Small Business Specialist

>> 24hr SBS Remote Support - www.SBITS.Biz

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>>

>>

>> "Steve T" wrote in message

>> news:ebrpei4pKHA.4532@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>> Running XP-SP3 with all updates current. I have a WACOM tablet, driver

>>> is latest version plugged into a USB port in rear of DELL PC. I'll boot

>>> up and get error message,"USB device not recognized...". I check Device

>>> Manager and no flags are showing. I simply plug into another USB port

>>> and I get message that "Human Interface Device found" and my tablet now

>>> works. The next day I boot up and the same error message pops up and the

>>> fix is to reverse what I did the previous day, just plug back into

>>> yesterday's "bad USB port". Any ideas what I am chasing here? Thank you,

>>> Steve T.

>>>


>

>
 
also you might try uninstalling the device drivers

completely and re installing them.

(Also see if the manufacture has new software for it.)

Russ



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"Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]" wrote in message

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> ya I was thinking It might be integrated.

> Hmmm

>

> Do you have a friend you can test it out on?

> (See if it behaves the same for them?)

> Russ

>

> --

> Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]

> Microsoft Gold Certified Partner

> Microsoft Certified Small Business Specialist

> 24hr SBS Remote Support - www.SBITS.Biz

> Question or Second Opinion $25.00 - www.PersonalITConsultant.com

> Free Trial Microsoft Online Services - www.Microsoft-Online-Services.com

>

>

> "Steve T" wrote in message

> news:uNRnZkDqKHA.5480@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>

>> "Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]" wrote in message

>> news:53A62E8D-0623-4A2A-B2A3-E52A04DC69D1@microsoft.com...

>>> This Almost sounds like a voltage issue

>>> (or even a cold solder joint but it switching is odd that's for sure.)

>>>

>>> How many things do you have plugged into your USB Ports?


>>

>> Mouse, keyboard, and Tablet.

>>

>>> If you have an Extension that is NOT powered you may be trying to draw

>>> too much voltage.

>>>

>>> If you have daisy chained many devices even 1 or 2 more it may be

>>> drawing too much power.

>>>

>>> To test remove the un needed devices upon power up and see if that

>>> solves it.

>>> If it works then try getting a "POWERED" USB 2.0 port extension and see

>>> If that solves the issue.

>>>

>>> Can you also try a different USB cable for the Device?


>>

>> Cable is integral to device.

>>

>>> Russ

>>>

>>> --

>>> Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]

>>> Microsoft Gold Certified Partner

>>> Microsoft Certified Small Business Specialist

>>> 24hr SBS Remote Support - www.SBITS.Biz

>>> Question or Second Opinion $25.00 - www.PersonalITConsultant.com

>>> Free Trial Microsoft Online Services - www.Microsoft-Online-Services.com

>>>

>>>

>>> "Steve T" wrote in message

>>> news:ebrpei4pKHA.4532@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>> Running XP-SP3 with all updates current. I have a WACOM tablet, driver

>>>> is latest version plugged into a USB port in rear of DELL PC. I'll

>>>> boot up and get error message,"USB device not recognized...". I check

>>>> Device Manager and no flags are showing. I simply plug into another USB

>>>> port and I get message that "Human Interface Device found" and my

>>>> tablet now works. The next day I boot up and the same error message

>>>> pops up and the fix is to reverse what I did the previous day, just

>>>> plug back into yesterday's "bad USB port". Any ideas what I am chasing

>>>> here? Thank you, Steve T.

>>>>


>>

>>
 
"Paul" wrote in message

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> Steve T wrote:

>> Running XP-SP3 with all updates current. I have a WACOM tablet, driver is

>> latest version plugged into a USB port in rear of DELL PC. I'll boot up

>> and get error message,"USB device not recognized...". I check Device

>> Manager and no flags are showing. I simply plug into another USB port and

>> I get message that "Human Interface Device found" and my tablet now

>> works. The next day I boot up and the same error message pops up and the

>> fix is to reverse what I did the previous day, just plug back into

>> yesterday's "bad USB port". Any ideas what I am chasing here? Thank you,

>> Steve T.


>

> I don't know what exactly your problem could be, and the following are

> just some leads to tools and suggestions.

>

> *******

>

> Implicit in what you're saying here, is unplugging it and plugging it

> into the *same* port, isn't getting the device recognized. That you

> have to change ports for it to work.




Today, it booted up the PC and the tablet was lit up thus no error messages.

Later, after awakening the PC the error message returned regarding "USB

device not recognized..." I unplugged USB and plugged back into same port

and tablet was back on. I uninstalled software for tablet, rebooted and

noted that power light was not on tablet. During install of software for

tablet, it indicated that there was a problem as there was no tablet found

(plugged in entire time). I unplugged cable, re-inserted into same location

and Install proceeded. Now I'm waiting to see what happens next. Next time

it screws up I'll unplug for two minutes and see what happens.

>

> To test Russ's theory that the issue is electrical, try unplugging it

> for two minutes (sufficient time for a Polyfuse to recrystallize), then

> plug it into the *same* port. If it malfunctions on the same port again,

> the implication would be it is a software problem.

>

> In terms of overcurrent protection on a port, on a desktop it is likely

> to be implemented in pairs. The connectors on a "stack of two" USB ports

> are likely connected to the same Polyfuse. Moving the USB cable from one

> port in a "stack of two", to the other, should not materially affect the

> electrical powering situation, and if there was an overcurrent problem,

> the

> misbehavior should continue once you move from one port in the stack

> to the other. All my motherboards here are fused in such a way. Laptops

> seem to be different, in that a laptop may use a silicon device for

> controlling overcurrent, and a small 8 pin DIP cuts off the current.

> Laptops should be much more precise about overcurrent, as a result.

> And the laptop policing of current flow, should be separate for each

> port.

>

> I haven't tried looking through the registry for it, but USB

> devices are remembered from one usage to another. For example, if

> the USB device has a serial number, then Windows can give a more

> consistent

> response to the device, as it would recognize it had been used before.

> If a device doesn't have a serial number, then each plug-in causes

> re-installation (perhaps using built-in software stacks such as

> HID or USB Mass Storage).

>

> You can look in the file "setupapi.log" and see installation activity

> at work.

>

> You can also use UVCView, to look at the config data coming from the

> device.

> I doubt that is going to help in this case, because all you're going to

> see, is no endpoints set up for the failed case, and endpoints set up

> in the success case. (UVCView is a Microsoft program, no longer offered

> for download. The copies on archive.org were also removed, presumably

> at Microsoft's request.)

>

> *******

> ftp://ftp.efo.ru/pub/ftdichip/Utilities/UVCView.x86.exe

> http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/USB_IDs/UVCView.x86.exe

>

> File size is 167,232 bytes.

> MD5sum is 93244d84d79314898e62d21cecc4ca5e

>

> This is a picture of what the UVCView info looks like.

>

> http://www.die.de/blog/content/binary/usbview.png

>

> Some information on the parameters seen in UVCView.

>

> http://www.beyondlogic.org/usbnutshell/usb5.htm

> *******

>

> That leaves some kind of registry issue. There are some

> troubleshooting suggestions here, for various sets of

> symptoms.

>

> http://www.uwe-sieber.de/usbtrouble_e.html

>

> An example of removing USB so all devices can be

> rediscovered, is detailed here.

>

> http://www.usbman.com/Guides/Cleanup Device Manager Safe Mode.htm

>

> Paul
 
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