Ubuntu Really Does Suck...DFS is correct...

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Moshe Goldfarb.

Ok so I follow RonB's advice and try this *wubi* thing and amazingly it
manages to download, configure and install in about 30 minutes.
Add 15 minutes for updates and I am good to go.

http://wubi-installer.org/

Seriously, very impressive....I had my doubts, but it did work.

However, then the fun begins....

I get no sound, but only in certain applications...So I change the driver
to the Alsa ICE driver for my MidiMan Delta66 card.
Bingo!
Now I have sound!

Unfortunately the volume level is too low (I'm running +4dbu) and the
volume control, which worked before, when I got sound that is, no longer
works.

Ok, so I crank up the external desk and I am good to go.

Next problem:

I install Pan, configure it for my newsserver (Motzarella) and it works.
Well, sort of.

The first time I start it if I do things fast, like get articles, read,
reply etc all is well.

If I wait to long, when I try to bring artilces down it gives a 441 message
saying the articles have missing parts.

I know this is not true, but whatever.
restarting Pan fixes it, until the next time I wait a minute or two between
reading posts.

This sucks.

Next problem: Applications seem to come and go more quickly than in the
Land of Oz (see the quote by Dorothy)...
The problem is, they go all by themselves.

Example: I had Totem up and running a movie which was stored on a USBkey
and it was working fine. I then decided to burn a DVD with some data files
from another location.

I had Totem on one desktop and Brassero on another.
All of a sudden, Totem is gone.
Poof.
Where did it go?

Thinking maybe it ended I tried again, and poof it disappears again.

Part 2: I start up Rhythm Box and point to a drive with 10's of thousands
of mp2 and other music files.
It seems to be scanning and running so I move to something else.
When I go back to check on it I notice the program has disappeared!
Gone again and at this point I am getting more than a feeling of dejavu.

So I start Rhythm box up again and it seems to work, but where did it go?

I dunno, I'm still playing with this thing but honestly I am not impressed
with the applications at all.

Oh yea, finding a rpinter on anothe LINUX box on the network.
How?
The Windows machines see it fine.
The Ubuntu machine is asking me for all kinds of path information, hostname
etc.

WTF is this?

I have broadband phone and my voicemal is sent to me opn the web as wav
files.

I click on them in Firefox and it tells me I can't play it because it is a
Microsoft formatted file?
Huh?
Works on my XP system and my Mac.


Like I said, I am less than impressed.

And this is after a couple of hours of use.
I can only wonder what is lurking that I have not discovered yet!


If anyone has any solutions, I am willing to listen.
BTW Ubuntu DID recognize all my hardware, including my LCD's and everything
worked so that's a first.



--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
 
"Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_n_straw@gmail.com> wrote in
news:osxtchyynqzi.19u3afts8qqy3.dlg@40tude.net:

(Top posted for brevity.....)

Three things......

1. What does this have to do with Vista ?

2. Maybe it's you. Just like it the user when there's a Vista problem.

3. Noone here cares about your Ubuntu experience. This is a Vista
newsgroup you trolling moron.

Do you want me to tell you about the nightmare of cleaning
spyware/malware of a friends PC...completely manually w/o the use of any
tools.

That must say a lot. I mean, if I can do that manually, that means I have
a LOT of experience doing so. And I do. Unfortunately.







> Ok so I follow RonB's advice and try this *wubi* thing and amazingly
> it manages to download, configure and install in about 30 minutes.
> Add 15 minutes for updates and I am good to go.
>
> http://wubi-installer.org/
>
> Seriously, very impressive....I had my doubts, but it did work.
>
> However, then the fun begins....
>
> I get no sound, but only in certain applications...So I change the
> driver to the Alsa ICE driver for my MidiMan Delta66 card.
> Bingo!
> Now I have sound!
>
> Unfortunately the volume level is too low (I'm running +4dbu) and the
> volume control, which worked before, when I got sound that is, no
> longer works.
>
> Ok, so I crank up the external desk and I am good to go.
>
> Next problem:
>
> I install Pan, configure it for my newsserver (Motzarella) and it
> works. Well, sort of.
>
> The first time I start it if I do things fast, like get articles,
> read, reply etc all is well.
>
> If I wait to long, when I try to bring artilces down it gives a 441
> message saying the articles have missing parts.
>
> I know this is not true, but whatever.
> restarting Pan fixes it, until the next time I wait a minute or two
> between reading posts.
>
> This sucks.
>
> Next problem: Applications seem to come and go more quickly than in
> the Land of Oz (see the quote by Dorothy)...
> The problem is, they go all by themselves.
>
> Example: I had Totem up and running a movie which was stored on a
> USBkey and it was working fine. I then decided to burn a DVD with some
> data files from another location.
>
> I had Totem on one desktop and Brassero on another.
> All of a sudden, Totem is gone.
> Poof.
> Where did it go?
>
> Thinking maybe it ended I tried again, and poof it disappears again.
>
> Part 2: I start up Rhythm Box and point to a drive with 10's of
> thousands of mp2 and other music files.
> It seems to be scanning and running so I move to something else.
> When I go back to check on it I notice the program has disappeared!
> Gone again and at this point I am getting more than a feeling of
> dejavu.
>
> So I start Rhythm box up again and it seems to work, but where did it
> go?
>
> I dunno, I'm still playing with this thing but honestly I am not
> impressed with the applications at all.
>
> Oh yea, finding a rpinter on anothe LINUX box on the network.
> How?
> The Windows machines see it fine.
> The Ubuntu machine is asking me for all kinds of path information,
> hostname etc.
>
> WTF is this?
>
> I have broadband phone and my voicemal is sent to me opn the web as
> wav files.
>
> I click on them in Firefox and it tells me I can't play it because it
> is a Microsoft formatted file?
> Huh?
> Works on my XP system and my Mac.
>
>
> Like I said, I am less than impressed.
>
> And this is after a couple of hours of use.
> I can only wonder what is lurking that I have not discovered yet!
>
>
> If anyone has any solutions, I am willing to listen.
> BTW Ubuntu DID recognize all my hardware, including my LCD's and
> everything worked so that's a first.
>
>
>
 
DanS wrote:

> 3. Noone here cares about your Ubuntu experience. This is a Vista
> newsgroup you trolling moron.

"Moshe" (aka flatline---) makes friends wherever he goes.

--
RonB
"There's a story there...somewhere"
 
On Wed, 3 Sep 2008 01:44:21 +0000 (UTC), DanS wrote:

> "Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_n_straw@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:osxtchyynqzi.19u3afts8qqy3.dlg@40tude.net:
>
> (Top posted for brevity.....)
>
> Three things......
>
> 1. What does this have to do with Vista ?


Food for thought.

> 2. Maybe it's you. Just like it the user when there's a Vista problem.

Nope.
I don't even like Vista BTW.
I think it's irrelevant garbage.
Windows XP performs much better on the same hardware.

> 3. Noone here cares about your Ubuntu experience. This is a Vista
> newsgroup you trolling moron.

And let me tell you Zeke, you sound like quite the Vista advocate.
Quite.

> Do you want me to tell you about the nightmare of cleaning
> spyware/malware of a friends PC...completely manually w/o the use of any
> tools.

Like I was saying, you're quite an advocate for Vista.
Are you sure YOU are in the correct group?

> That must say a lot. I mean, if I can do that manually, that means I have
> a LOT of experience doing so. And I do. Unfortunately.

Wow! I am impressed.
Would you like a medal of a monument erected in your honor?





--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
 
Actually I like it, but I wouldn't use it for my personal desktop.
I keep XP for doing my real work.
I use Vista (and have since early BETA) becuse I have to support it. NOT
because I like it.

"DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote in message
news:Xns9B0DDCFB29CF0thisnthatadelphianet@85.214.90.236...
> "Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_n_straw@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:osxtchyynqzi.19u3afts8qqy3.dlg@40tude.net:
>
> (Top posted for brevity.....)
>
> Three things......
>
> 1. What does this have to do with Vista ?
>
> 2. Maybe it's you. Just like it the user when there's a Vista problem.
>
> 3. Noone here cares about your Ubuntu experience. This is a Vista
> newsgroup you trolling moron.
>
> Do you want me to tell you about the nightmare of cleaning
> spyware/malware of a friends PC...completely manually w/o the use of any
> tools.
>
> That must say a lot. I mean, if I can do that manually, that means I have
> a LOT of experience doing so. And I do. Unfortunately.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> Ok so I follow RonB's advice and try this *wubi* thing and amazingly
>> it manages to download, configure and install in about 30 minutes.
>> Add 15 minutes for updates and I am good to go.
>>
>> http://wubi-installer.org/
>>
>> Seriously, very impressive....I had my doubts, but it did work.
>>
>> However, then the fun begins....
>>
>> I get no sound, but only in certain applications...So I change the
>> driver to the Alsa ICE driver for my MidiMan Delta66 card.
>> Bingo!
>> Now I have sound!
>>
>> Unfortunately the volume level is too low (I'm running +4dbu) and the
>> volume control, which worked before, when I got sound that is, no
>> longer works.
>>
>> Ok, so I crank up the external desk and I am good to go.
>>
>> Next problem:
>>
>> I install Pan, configure it for my newsserver (Motzarella) and it
>> works. Well, sort of.
>>
>> The first time I start it if I do things fast, like get articles,
>> read, reply etc all is well.
>>
>> If I wait to long, when I try to bring artilces down it gives a 441
>> message saying the articles have missing parts.
>>
>> I know this is not true, but whatever.
>> restarting Pan fixes it, until the next time I wait a minute or two
>> between reading posts.
>>
>> This sucks.
>>
>> Next problem: Applications seem to come and go more quickly than in
>> the Land of Oz (see the quote by Dorothy)...
>> The problem is, they go all by themselves.
>>
>> Example: I had Totem up and running a movie which was stored on a
>> USBkey and it was working fine. I then decided to burn a DVD with some
>> data files from another location.
>>
>> I had Totem on one desktop and Brassero on another.
>> All of a sudden, Totem is gone.
>> Poof.
>> Where did it go?
>>
>> Thinking maybe it ended I tried again, and poof it disappears again.
>>
>> Part 2: I start up Rhythm Box and point to a drive with 10's of
>> thousands of mp2 and other music files.
>> It seems to be scanning and running so I move to something else.
>> When I go back to check on it I notice the program has disappeared!
>> Gone again and at this point I am getting more than a feeling of
>> dejavu.
>>
>> So I start Rhythm box up again and it seems to work, but where did it
>> go?
>>
>> I dunno, I'm still playing with this thing but honestly I am not
>> impressed with the applications at all.
>>
>> Oh yea, finding a rpinter on anothe LINUX box on the network.
>> How?
>> The Windows machines see it fine.
>> The Ubuntu machine is asking me for all kinds of path information,
>> hostname etc.
>>
>> WTF is this?
>>
>> I have broadband phone and my voicemal is sent to me opn the web as
>> wav files.
>>
>> I click on them in Firefox and it tells me I can't play it because it
>> is a Microsoft formatted file?
>> Huh?
>> Works on my XP system and my Mac.
>>
>>
>> Like I said, I am less than impressed.
>>
>> And this is after a couple of hours of use.
>> I can only wonder what is lurking that I have not discovered yet!
>>
>>
>> If anyone has any solutions, I am willing to listen.
>> BTW Ubuntu DID recognize all my hardware, including my LCD's and
>> everything worked so that's a first.
>>
>>
>>
>
 
Re: Micoshaft Windowps Really Does Suck...DFS is correct...

Micoshaft asstroturfing fraudster pounding the sock Moshe Goldfarb
wrote on behalf of Half Wits from Micoshaft Department of Marketing:


> Ok so I follow RonB's advice and try this *wubi* thing and amazingly it
> manages to download, configure and install in about 30 minutes.
> Add 15 minutes for updates and I am good to go.
>
> http://wubi-installer.org/
>
> Seriously, very impressive....I had my doubts, but it did work.
>
> However, then the fun begins....


More reasons why I think windummies ought to be hanged.

They moan a lot and can't fix their computer when windummy osen
craps out - and it craps out often. They have no access to source
code or the means to get it independently sorted out.
Micoshaft haven't the engineers to support their legacy products
and if you peek inside, they will sue you.

Linux is nothing like that.

The source code is free. And so are all the applications.
From CAD programs like QCad to molecular modelling programs
like Rasmol as well symbolic mathematics equation solvers
like xmaxima.

http://www.livecdlist.com
http://www.distrowatch.com

There are sound business management techniques adopted that allows
windummies to be removed from the office space.
Here is a write up posted by Rex Ballard earlier....


"
Here are some tactics I've been hearing about from different companies
who are trying to prevent another "forced upgrade" to Vista at the
cost of jobs, poor earnings reports, and loss of productivity.

Executive Management Approval
Employees who want Vista or Office 2007 have to get approval from
their supervisor, who has to get approval from his supervisor, and so
on up the chain almost to the CEO or COO.  If a lower level manager
approves, and doesn't get prior approval from his management, a
substantial charge is assessed to his budget, sufficient to clearly
and negatively affect his bonuses.  In effect, any Vista or Office
2007 he personally approves, comes out of his bonus.

The point is that most lower level workers are not willing to go
through the hassles of writting a justification sufficient to merit
the approval of a high level executive, and mid-level managers aren't
going to eliminate their chances of promotion or bonuses by bucking
upper management.


Self Funded Personal Platforms

The company will provide the PC and Windows 2000, XP, or Linux, but if
the employee feels that he has to have Vista or Office 2007, they have
to purchase it through the corporate procurement system, and the cost
of the software will be deducted from their bunuses or raises.

Linux bonuses
Company offers bonuses, or adds to annual bonuses based on the
employee's ability to use Linux, with higher bonuses for Linux in
Native mode, slightly less for Virtual Mode, because they have taken
the time to self-train and take responsibility for their own desktop
or laptop environment.

Annual surcharges.
Rather than just giving every employee a copy of Windows and Office,
the employees department gets charged for the licenses and support
they are using.  For example, a call to the help desk for XP issues
would be over $300 per call.  A support call for Linux might be as
little as $30 per call.  In addition, administrative fees and support
fees for just having XP or Linux are similarly proportionally priced.

Full Time Reportinng
Time spent dealing with Windows XP or Office issues, ranging from back-
up and restore to reinstallation of software or Windows, has to be
reported separately on a time sheet.  If this time is from the 40 hour
work week, it's treated similar to "sick time".  If it's done in
ADDITION to the standard 40 hour week, it is considered volunteer
effort, but this gives companies a much better picture of how much
time is spent dealing with Microsoft related issues, and makes a
better case for switching to Linux.

Extra time spent installing and learning to use Linux ad Open Office
are treated like training, since these are new skills that the company
wants to encourage.  Since this training time indicates a willingness
to follow corporate guidelines,   Therefore this is a positive when
considering bonuses, raises, and promotions.


Client Provided software
More consulting firms are now expecting the client to pay for special
software.  If the client is using Vista and/or Office 2007 and won't
share documents in a legacy friendly way, the consultant has to
purchase the software through corporate procurement, and expense it to
the client along with travel and other expenses (at full corporate
price).  This is because too many clients have been "giving" pirated
copies of Vista and Office 2007 to consultants, and the corporate
licenses ONLY apply to permanent employees of the corporation.  The
consulting company is liable to Microsoft for the pirated licenses and
could even face a $10,000 per copy fine for the copyright violation.
In some countries, the penalties for stealing are quite severe,
including the loss of body parts.


Automated License and software audits

Most corporations now have the ability to get a comprehensive list of
who has what software, and many are on the lookout for pirated copies
of Vista or Office 2007.  If it's not on the inventory as a purchased
license, then it's pirated.  Many companies are also asking violators
to come to the data center or customer support depot and have their
laptops re-imaged.  Some corporate desktops can automatically be re-
imaged if pirated software is detected.

There are also some new viruses out that are causing full indexes of
the entire file-system to be generated, and sending the index to some
unknown location on a "trickle" basis.  If your laptop is suddenly
runnig very SLOWLY, this might be why.

Another virus is looking for file-sharing software such as bit-
torrent, if it's found, the virus deletes all mp3 files.  It only
impacts Win2K, XP and Vista users.

Seems like a lot of corporate and hacker forces are starting to make
Windows users really "suffer" for their addiction to Windows.  And
attempts to install Vista are pretty much the road to an
"Intervention".

"
 
Re: Micoshaft Windowps Really Does Suck...DFS is correct...

On Wed, 03 Sep 2008 18:00:17 +0000, 7 aided th' terraists with the
following claims :

> Micoshaft asstroturfing fraudster pounding the sock Moshe Goldfarb
> wrote on behalf of Half Wits from Micoshaft Department of Marketing:
>
>
>> Ok so I follow RonB's advice and try this *wubi* thing and amazingly it
>> manages to download, configure and install in about 30 minutes.
>> Add 15 minutes for updates and I am good to go.
>>
>> http://wubi-installer.org/
>>
>> Seriously, very impressive....I had my doubts, but it did work.
>>
>> However, then the fun begins....
>
>
> More reasons why I think windummies ought to be hanged.

Then whos computer would yuo fix when they call you?

Btw, the whole "run the os as an app in its own folder" was done by BeOS
years ago: BeOS 5PE.

FYI

--
"Those who can make you believe absurdities,
can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
 
Re: Micoshaft Windowps Really Does Suck...DFS is correct...

On 2008-09-04, §ñühwØ£f <snuhwolf@netscape.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 03 Sep 2008 18:00:17 +0000, 7 aided th' terraists with the
> following claims :
>
>> Micoshaft asstroturfing fraudster pounding the sock Moshe Goldfarb
>> wrote on behalf of Half Wits from Micoshaft Department of Marketing:
>>
>>
>>> Ok so I follow RonB's advice and try this *wubi* thing and amazingly it
>>> manages to download, configure and install in about 30 minutes.
>>> Add 15 minutes for updates and I am good to go.
>>>
>>> http://wubi-installer.org/
>>>
>>> Seriously, very impressive....I had my doubts, but it did work.
>>>
>>> However, then the fun begins....
>>
>>
>> More reasons why I think windummies ought to be hanged.
>
> Then whos computer would yuo fix when they call you?
>
> Btw, the whole "run the os as an app in its own folder" was done by BeOS
> years ago: BeOS 5PE.
>
> FYI
>

...sound like something IBM was doing 20 years earlier.

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