The Future in Computing

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I am certainly looking forward to the future in computing. There will be so
many opportunities and sky computing certainly looks more promising now as
time goes on. However, I for one am a guy who likes old-school computing
while enjoying new computing as well when it is needed to accomplish the task
at hand. Windows Vista has been available for a while now and now we also
have Windows Vista Service Pack 1 and soon will have Windows 7. Meanwhile,
the browser wars are really heating up and Google has gotten into the act
with its Chrome browser which I have not bothered to try out yet but know I
will eventually try it out on the Windows XP Professional side of my
multi-boot computer and/or maybe on Windows Vista Home Premium (32 bit) in my
laptop computer. I find it annoying that if users buy a new computer so many
of us have to deal with junk that is installed on the computer by default and
it certainly makes me want to go and buy a retail copy of the operating
system and not just deal with an oem version or a defunct and problematic
image of the operating system. In my case, with the Toshiba Laptop computer
the problem falls in my opinion clearly on Toshiba in this case because I
sent it in and the laptop computer was repaired and returned but I had issues
with it upon return. Anyway, I called up Toshiba support and used their cds
to install Windows Vista Home Premium again and it almost installed correctly
but had errors tied with trying to install Microsoft Works on the computer
but that was the only error. Toshiba has now sent me new cds and I will
eventually try again but certainly not now because I am just tired and
annoyed at using the oem version and am about ready to go out and buy a
retail upgrade copy of Windows Vista. The question now is I guess I will try
1 more time to correctly install the Windows Vista Home Premium oem and then
finally get a retail version so I do not have to deal with all the associated
crapware on the machine which is now just about 13 months old. I find time
certainly does fly especially in the world of technology. Finally, I wanted
to send my thanks to everyone in this newsgroup for all of their great
contributions and say Long Live Windows 98 Second Edition which remains my
number 1 operating system and yes my opinion is Microsoft did get it wrong by
choosing the business NT source code instead of the 9x source code but I can
see that Microsoft has a good chance to get it right in the future when their
new operating system based on their new source code is release. Note: It
will not be Windows 7 because this will still be NT based although I know
from Steve Riley, MSFT comments that much of the NT source code has been
reworked and rewritten, the underlying problem in my opinion, is that it
comes down to the foundation of a problematic code that is too limited in
computing nowadays which will indeed eventually thankfully be replaced and NT
finally put to rest and hopefully that will solve many problems. The
question I pose to all of you is will Microsoft be able to have an
all-one-solution with one source code or is it indeed needed that there be
again a business source code and a home based source code that despite the
added cost and complexity is necessary in today's computing environment or is
it just not needed anymore?
 
Welcome to the blog dedicated to the engineering of Microsoft Windows 7
http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2008/08/18/windows_5F00_7_5F00_team.aspx

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience -
Windows Vista Enthusiast

---------------------------------------------------------------

"Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:9F4799E5-411E-4B7F-8AA3-2EEBCAFEFD9B@microsoft.com...
I am certainly looking forward to the future in computing. There will be so
many opportunities and sky computing certainly looks more promising now as
time goes on. However, I for one am a guy who likes old-school computing
while enjoying new computing as well when it is needed to accomplish the task
at hand. Windows Vista has been available for a while now and now we also
have Windows Vista Service Pack 1 and soon will have Windows 7. Meanwhile,
the browser wars are really heating up and Google has gotten into the act
with its Chrome browser which I have not bothered to try out yet but know I
will eventually try it out on the Windows XP Professional side of my
multi-boot computer and/or maybe on Windows Vista Home Premium (32 bit) in my
laptop computer. I find it annoying that if users buy a new computer so many
of us have to deal with junk that is installed on the computer by default and
it certainly makes me want to go and buy a retail copy of the operating
system and not just deal with an oem version or a defunct and problematic
image of the operating system. In my case, with the Toshiba Laptop computer
the problem falls in my opinion clearly on Toshiba in this case because I
sent it in and the laptop computer was repaired and returned but I had issues
with it upon return. Anyway, I called up Toshiba support and used their cds
to install Windows Vista Home Premium again and it almost installed correctly
but had errors tied with trying to install Microsoft Works on the computer
but that was the only error. Toshiba has now sent me new cds and I will
eventually try again but certainly not now because I am just tired and
annoyed at using the oem version and am about ready to go out and buy a
retail upgrade copy of Windows Vista. The question now is I guess I will try
1 more time to correctly install the Windows Vista Home Premium oem and then
finally get a retail version so I do not have to deal with all the associated
crapware on the machine which is now just about 13 months old. I find time
certainly does fly especially in the world of technology. Finally, I wanted
to send my thanks to everyone in this newsgroup for all of their great
contributions and say Long Live Windows 98 Second Edition which remains my
number 1 operating system and yes my opinion is Microsoft did get it wrong by
choosing the business NT source code instead of the 9x source code but I can
see that Microsoft has a good chance to get it right in the future when their
new operating system based on their new source code is release. Note: It
will not be Windows 7 because this will still be NT based although I know
from Steve Riley, MSFT comments that much of the NT source code has been
reworked and rewritten, the underlying problem in my opinion, is that it
comes down to the foundation of a problematic code that is too limited in
computing nowadays which will indeed eventually thankfully be replaced and NT
finally put to rest and hopefully that will solve many problems. The
question I pose to all of you is will Microsoft be able to have an
all-one-solution with one source code or is it indeed needed that there be
again a business source code and a home based source code that despite the
added cost and complexity is necessary in today's computing environment or is
it just not needed anymore?
 
"Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:9F4799E5-411E-4B7F-8AA3-2EEBCAFEFD9B@microsoft.com...

[snipped preamble to actual question]

> The question I pose to all of you is will Microsoft be able to have an
> all-one-solution with one source code...

Why would they even want to do that?
Let me ask you a question. Since you mention it so often.

Dan ~ What is "source code"?

> ... or is it indeed needed that there be
> again a business source code and a home based source code that despite the
> added cost and complexity is necessary in today's computing environment or
> is
> it just not needed anymore?

Programs will be created to fill the needs of the prospective
market. As long as markets differ - so will the programs.

No, there will be no more Win98 family kernels. Home computers
and business computers both need the additional security of the
more modern line. There will always be several different projects
aimed at different target audiences.
 
"Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:9F4799E5-411E-4B7F-8AA3-2EEBCAFEFD9B@microsoft.com...

> I am certainly looking forward to the future in computing. There will be
so
> many opportunities and sky computing certainly looks more promising now as
> time goes on. However, I for one am a guy who likes old-school computing
> while enjoying new computing as well when it is needed to accomplish the
task
> at hand. Windows Vista has been available for a while now and now we also
> have Windows Vista Service Pack 1 and soon will have Windows 7.

Just for clarity -- what tasks do you have in hand that
positively require the resources of Vista? (I can think
of some, but each of us is a different sort of user. . .)
--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)
 
Don Phillipson wrote:
> "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:9F4799E5-411E-4B7F-8AA3-2EEBCAFEFD9B@microsoft.com...
>
>> I am certainly looking forward to the future in computing. There will be
>> so
>> many opportunities and sky computing certainly looks more promising now
>> as
>> time goes on. However, I for one am a guy who likes old-school computing
>> while enjoying new computing as well when it is needed to accomplish the
>> task
>> at hand. Windows Vista has been available for a while now and now we
>> also
>> have Windows Vista Service Pack 1 and soon will have Windows 7.
>
> Just for clarity -- what tasks do you have in hand that
> positively require the resources of Vista?

Running Aero???
LOL!

> (I can think of some, but each of us is a different sort of user. . .)
> --
> Don Phillipson
> Carlsbad Springs
> (Ottawa, Canada)
 
Thank you for your response, Carey.

"Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote:

> Welcome to the blog dedicated to the engineering of Microsoft Windows 7
> http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2008/08/18/windows_5F00_7_5F00_team.aspx
>
> --
> Carey Frisch
> Microsoft MVP
> Windows Desktop Experience -
> Windows Vista Enthusiast
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:9F4799E5-411E-4B7F-8AA3-2EEBCAFEFD9B@microsoft.com...
> I am certainly looking forward to the future in computing. There will be so
> many opportunities and sky computing certainly looks more promising now as
> time goes on. However, I for one am a guy who likes old-school computing
> while enjoying new computing as well when it is needed to accomplish the task
> at hand. Windows Vista has been available for a while now and now we also
> have Windows Vista Service Pack 1 and soon will have Windows 7. Meanwhile,
> the browser wars are really heating up and Google has gotten into the act
> with its Chrome browser which I have not bothered to try out yet but know I
> will eventually try it out on the Windows XP Professional side of my
> multi-boot computer and/or maybe on Windows Vista Home Premium (32 bit) in my
> laptop computer. I find it annoying that if users buy a new computer so many
> of us have to deal with junk that is installed on the computer by default and
> it certainly makes me want to go and buy a retail copy of the operating
> system and not just deal with an oem version or a defunct and problematic
> image of the operating system. In my case, with the Toshiba Laptop computer
> the problem falls in my opinion clearly on Toshiba in this case because I
> sent it in and the laptop computer was repaired and returned but I had issues
> with it upon return. Anyway, I called up Toshiba support and used their cds
> to install Windows Vista Home Premium again and it almost installed correctly
> but had errors tied with trying to install Microsoft Works on the computer
> but that was the only error. Toshiba has now sent me new cds and I will
> eventually try again but certainly not now because I am just tired and
> annoyed at using the oem version and am about ready to go out and buy a
> retail upgrade copy of Windows Vista. The question now is I guess I will try
> 1 more time to correctly install the Windows Vista Home Premium oem and then
> finally get a retail version so I do not have to deal with all the associated
> crapware on the machine which is now just about 13 months old. I find time
> certainly does fly especially in the world of technology. Finally, I wanted
> to send my thanks to everyone in this newsgroup for all of their great
> contributions and say Long Live Windows 98 Second Edition which remains my
> number 1 operating system and yes my opinion is Microsoft did get it wrong by
> choosing the business NT source code instead of the 9x source code but I can
> see that Microsoft has a good chance to get it right in the future when their
> new operating system based on their new source code is release. Note: It
> will not be Windows 7 because this will still be NT based although I know
> from Steve Riley, MSFT comments that much of the NT source code has been
> reworked and rewritten, the underlying problem in my opinion, is that it
> comes down to the foundation of a problematic code that is too limited in
> computing nowadays which will indeed eventually thankfully be replaced and NT
> finally put to rest and hopefully that will solve many problems. The
> question I pose to all of you is will Microsoft be able to have an
> all-one-solution with one source code or is it indeed needed that there be
> again a business source code and a home based source code that despite the
> added cost and complexity is necessary in today's computing environment or is
> it just not needed anymore?
>
 
I will let Wikipedia do the talking for me, FromTheRafters, grin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source_code

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_98

You will see in the second wikipedia article that the business line and the
consumer line is separate and really does not end up fully meeting until
Windows XP and so this makes one wonder was Windows ME really a test
operating system that allowed for advances in XP like System Restore and why
was it rushed out the door. The problem also is that Internet Explorer 7 was
rushed out the door and thankfully Microsoft is taking their time with
Internet Explorer 8 to make sure it is really good and I know I am moving
away from the Windows 98 general discussion but I feel this is so critical
for our future to have people talk and discuss the best ways to meet user's
needs in future computing.

.. . . or okay if you don't like the term source code then how about the code
base of Windows 9x and Windows NT and Chris Quirke, mvp has a great deal to
say about this as well.

http://cquirke.mvps.org/

http://cquirke.mvps.org/multos.htm

http://cquirke.blogspot.com/

I now ask you FromTheRafters, will it be possible to meet the needs of the
home audience and the business audience with one code base or will 2
different code bases be needed and which is the best approach Microsoft
should take to be able to cater effectively to all the markets and best meet
the user's needs?

"FromTheRafters" wrote:

>
> "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:9F4799E5-411E-4B7F-8AA3-2EEBCAFEFD9B@microsoft.com...
>
> [snipped preamble to actual question]
>
> > The question I pose to all of you is will Microsoft be able to have an
> > all-one-solution with one source code...
>
> Why would they even want to do that?
> Let me ask you a question. Since you mention it so often.
>
> Dan ~ What is "source code"?
>
> > ... or is it indeed needed that there be
> > again a business source code and a home based source code that despite the
> > added cost and complexity is necessary in today's computing environment or
> > is
> > it just not needed anymore?
>
> Programs will be created to fill the needs of the prospective
> market. As long as markets differ - so will the programs.
>
> No, there will be no more Win98 family kernels. Home computers
> and business computers both need the additional security of the
> more modern line. There will always be several different projects
> aimed at different target audiences.
>
>
>
 
Nice Point, Bill.

"Bill in Co." wrote:

> Don Phillipson wrote:
> > "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:9F4799E5-411E-4B7F-8AA3-2EEBCAFEFD9B@microsoft.com...
> >
> >> I am certainly looking forward to the future in computing. There will be
> >> so
> >> many opportunities and sky computing certainly looks more promising now
> >> as
> >> time goes on. However, I for one am a guy who likes old-school computing
> >> while enjoying new computing as well when it is needed to accomplish the
> >> task
> >> at hand. Windows Vista has been available for a while now and now we
> >> also
> >> have Windows Vista Service Pack 1 and soon will have Windows 7.
> >
> > Just for clarity -- what tasks do you have in hand that
> > positively require the resources of Vista?
>
> Running Aero???
> LOL!
>
> > (I can think of some, but each of us is a different sort of user. . .)
> > --
> > Don Phillipson
> > Carlsbad Springs
> > (Ottawa, Canada)
>
>
>
 
Well, Don, I don't think many would argue that Windows Vista has great
external security in the operating system. However, the problem is with
compatibility and the functionality of the operating system. I think
Microsoft went overboard with User Account Control and why should a user have
to approve a program install numerous times and since User Account Control
has failed this then at least allow the user to customize user account
control to allow the settings to be manipulated like a user might want to
customize cookie handling and use the advanced option to block 3rd party
cookies and session cookies. {Yum, now I am getting hungry} -.- <grin>

"Don Phillipson" wrote:

> "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:9F4799E5-411E-4B7F-8AA3-2EEBCAFEFD9B@microsoft.com...
>
> > I am certainly looking forward to the future in computing. There will be
> so
> > many opportunities and sky computing certainly looks more promising now as
> > time goes on. However, I for one am a guy who likes old-school computing
> > while enjoying new computing as well when it is needed to accomplish the
> task
> > at hand. Windows Vista has been available for a while now and now we also
> > have Windows Vista Service Pack 1 and soon will have Windows 7.
>
> Just for clarity -- what tasks do you have in hand that
> positively require the resources of Vista? (I can think
> of some, but each of us is a different sort of user. . .)
> --
> Don Phillipson
> Carlsbad Springs
> (Ottawa, Canada)
>
>
>
 
"Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:D365C2E1-0908-4D5A-A21C-3D9AB48B6F42@microsoft.com...
>I will let Wikipedia do the talking for me, FromTheRafters, grin.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source_code

That doesn't help me to understand your usage of the term which
is what I was after. I know what source code is and was wondering
what you thought it was since you use the term so oddly.

Win98 and the NT family differ at the conceptual level, so of course
that difference survives all the way to machine language. Your concern
perhaps should be with conceptualization. There is no reason that
some source code from one family can't be used in another. It doesn't
mean that the concept has reverted. Future MS OSes will probably
all be multi-user OSes. Even home users will want this functionality
if they share the computer with anybody. If some source code from
Win98 is used in future OSes, that won't mean they inherit the good
or the bad from Win98 or become single user OSes.

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_98
>
> You will see in the second wikipedia article that the business line and
> the
> consumer line is separate and really does not end up fully meeting until
> Windows XP...

Businesses liked the security aspects, and home users opted for a single
user autologon with full administrative powers. Hell, they may as well
have stayed with Win98 - once they used that setup, security went out
the window. Vista is configurable enough to be made just as insecure
but it attempts to make the default a more secure setup and make the
user work to reduce security. I think that trend will continue.

> and so this makes one wonder...

Now you're off on a different subject again. I'll not follow.

[snip]
 
(Sitting here holding my breath...)

Carey, *please* take Dan along with you as you scoot on out the door. It's a
perfect match!

(For those who don't know Carey, he's got the brownest nose in MVP history.)

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message
news:O$JktmNHJHA.3668@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Welcome to the blog dedicated to the engineering of Microsoft Windows 7
> http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2008/08/18/windows_5F00_7_5F00_team.aspx
>
> --
> Carey Frisch
> Microsoft MVP
> Windows Desktop Experience -
> Windows Vista Enthusiast
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:9F4799E5-411E-4B7F-8AA3-2EEBCAFEFD9B@microsoft.com...
> I am certainly looking forward to the future in computing. There will be
> so
> many opportunities and sky computing certainly looks more promising now as
> time goes on. However, I for one am a guy who likes old-school computing
> while enjoying new computing as well when it is needed to accomplish the
> task
> at hand. Windows Vista has been available for a while now and now we also
> have Windows Vista Service Pack 1 and soon will have Windows 7.
> Meanwhile,
> the browser wars are really heating up and Google has gotten into the act
> with its Chrome browser which I have not bothered to try out yet but know
> I
> will eventually try it out on the Windows XP Professional side of my
> multi-boot computer and/or maybe on Windows Vista Home Premium (32 bit) in
> my
> laptop computer. I find it annoying that if users buy a new computer so
> many
> of us have to deal with junk that is installed on the computer by default
> and
> it certainly makes me want to go and buy a retail copy of the operating
> system and not just deal with an oem version or a defunct and problematic
> image of the operating system. In my case, with the Toshiba Laptop
> computer
> the problem falls in my opinion clearly on Toshiba in this case because I
> sent it in and the laptop computer was repaired and returned but I had
> issues
> with it upon return. Anyway, I called up Toshiba support and used their
> cds
> to install Windows Vista Home Premium again and it almost installed
> correctly
> but had errors tied with trying to install Microsoft Works on the computer
> but that was the only error. Toshiba has now sent me new cds and I will
> eventually try again but certainly not now because I am just tired and
> annoyed at using the oem version and am about ready to go out and buy a
> retail upgrade copy of Windows Vista. The question now is I guess I will
> try
> 1 more time to correctly install the Windows Vista Home Premium oem and
> then
> finally get a retail version so I do not have to deal with all the
> associated
> crapware on the machine which is now just about 13 months old. I find
> time
> certainly does fly especially in the world of technology. Finally, I
> wanted
> to send my thanks to everyone in this newsgroup for all of their great
> contributions and say Long Live Windows 98 Second Edition which remains my
> number 1 operating system and yes my opinion is Microsoft did get it wrong
> by
> choosing the business NT source code instead of the 9x source code but I
> can
> see that Microsoft has a good chance to get it right in the future when
> their
> new operating system based on their new source code is release. Note: It
> will not be Windows 7 because this will still be NT based although I know
> from Steve Riley, MSFT comments that much of the NT source code has been
> reworked and rewritten, the underlying problem in my opinion, is that it
> comes down to the foundation of a problematic code that is too limited in
> computing nowadays which will indeed eventually thankfully be replaced and
> NT
> finally put to rest and hopefully that will solve many problems. The
> question I pose to all of you is will Microsoft be able to have an
> all-one-solution with one source code or is it indeed needed that there be
> again a business source code and a home based source code that despite the
> added cost and complexity is necessary in today's computing environment or
> is
> it just not needed anymore?
 
Thank you for your comments, Gary and at least this newsgroup sometimes can
become more interesting when I am around and I think I am able to help at
least a few users out there. In addition the information can be challenged
by others which makes the Microsoft newsgroups so interesting and informative
and misinformation is usually corrected by others. (Note: I know Gary has
blocked me and the rest of you don't feel any need to respond to this post
unless you want to. Gary's knowledge and wisdom of Microsoft Windows has
been a great help to me and many of us. Unfortunately, there was a huge
conflict between him and me in the past when my health and mind was poor so I
don't want to cause him any additional stress or pressure because I want Gary
S. Terhune to hopefully keep posting here with his knowledge of Windows 98
for a long time if he wants to of course. Finally, I am guilty of posting as
Art Wilder in the past as well as trying to get Gary to respond to me in the
past using other computers and email addresses and that is a huge reason I
continue to post as I do with my Windows Hotmail Live email address which I
know is not nearly as good as using a newsreader but as you can see I have
good reasons for it.

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

> (Sitting here holding my breath...)
>
> Carey, *please* take Dan along with you as you scoot on out the door. It's a
> perfect match!
>
> (For those who don't know Carey, he's got the brownest nose in MVP history.)
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS-MVP Shell/User
> http://grystmill.com
>
> "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:O$JktmNHJHA.3668@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> > Welcome to the blog dedicated to the engineering of Microsoft Windows 7
> > http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2008/08/18/windows_5F00_7_5F00_team.aspx
> >
> > --
> > Carey Frisch
> > Microsoft MVP
> > Windows Desktop Experience -
> > Windows Vista Enthusiast
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:9F4799E5-411E-4B7F-8AA3-2EEBCAFEFD9B@microsoft.com...
> > I am certainly looking forward to the future in computing. There will be
> > so
> > many opportunities and sky computing certainly looks more promising now as
> > time goes on. However, I for one am a guy who likes old-school computing
> > while enjoying new computing as well when it is needed to accomplish the
> > task
> > at hand. Windows Vista has been available for a while now and now we also
> > have Windows Vista Service Pack 1 and soon will have Windows 7.
> > Meanwhile,
> > the browser wars are really heating up and Google has gotten into the act
> > with its Chrome browser which I have not bothered to try out yet but know
> > I
> > will eventually try it out on the Windows XP Professional side of my
> > multi-boot computer and/or maybe on Windows Vista Home Premium (32 bit) in
> > my
> > laptop computer. I find it annoying that if users buy a new computer so
> > many
> > of us have to deal with junk that is installed on the computer by default
> > and
> > it certainly makes me want to go and buy a retail copy of the operating
> > system and not just deal with an oem version or a defunct and problematic
> > image of the operating system. In my case, with the Toshiba Laptop
> > computer
> > the problem falls in my opinion clearly on Toshiba in this case because I
> > sent it in and the laptop computer was repaired and returned but I had
> > issues
> > with it upon return. Anyway, I called up Toshiba support and used their
> > cds
> > to install Windows Vista Home Premium again and it almost installed
> > correctly
> > but had errors tied with trying to install Microsoft Works on the computer
> > but that was the only error. Toshiba has now sent me new cds and I will
> > eventually try again but certainly not now because I am just tired and
> > annoyed at using the oem version and am about ready to go out and buy a
> > retail upgrade copy of Windows Vista. The question now is I guess I will
> > try
> > 1 more time to correctly install the Windows Vista Home Premium oem and
> > then
> > finally get a retail version so I do not have to deal with all the
> > associated
> > crapware on the machine which is now just about 13 months old. I find
> > time
> > certainly does fly especially in the world of technology. Finally, I
> > wanted
> > to send my thanks to everyone in this newsgroup for all of their great
> > contributions and say Long Live Windows 98 Second Edition which remains my
> > number 1 operating system and yes my opinion is Microsoft did get it wrong
> > by
> > choosing the business NT source code instead of the 9x source code but I
> > can
> > see that Microsoft has a good chance to get it right in the future when
> > their
> > new operating system based on their new source code is release. Note: It
> > will not be Windows 7 because this will still be NT based although I know
> > from Steve Riley, MSFT comments that much of the NT source code has been
> > reworked and rewritten, the underlying problem in my opinion, is that it
> > comes down to the foundation of a problematic code that is too limited in
> > computing nowadays which will indeed eventually thankfully be replaced and
> > NT
> > finally put to rest and hopefully that will solve many problems. The
> > question I pose to all of you is will Microsoft be able to have an
> > all-one-solution with one source code or is it indeed needed that there be
> > again a business source code and a home based source code that despite the
> > added cost and complexity is necessary in today's computing environment or
> > is
> > it just not needed anymore?
>
>
>
 
Gary -

Sorry to learn that apparently your MVP status has been "retired".
Good luck with your future endeavors.


"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
news:OjMZ5KaHJHA.3504@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> (Sitting here holding my breath...)
>
> Carey, *please* take Dan along with you as you scoot on out the door. It's
> a perfect match!
>
> (For those who don't know Carey, he's got the brownest nose in MVP
> history.)
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS-MVP Shell/User
> http://grystmill.com
>
> "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:O$JktmNHJHA.3668@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Welcome to the blog dedicated to the engineering of Microsoft Windows 7
>> http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2008/08/18/windows_5F00_7_5F00_team.aspx
>>
>> --
>> Carey Frisch
>> Microsoft MVP
>> Windows Desktop Experience -
>> Windows Vista Enthusiast
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:9F4799E5-411E-4B7F-8AA3-2EEBCAFEFD9B@microsoft.com...
>> I am certainly looking forward to the future in computing. There will be
>> so
>> many opportunities and sky computing certainly looks more promising now
>> as
>> time goes on. However, I for one am a guy who likes old-school computing
>> while enjoying new computing as well when it is needed to accomplish the
>> task
>> at hand. Windows Vista has been available for a while now and now we
>> also
>> have Windows Vista Service Pack 1 and soon will have Windows 7.
>> Meanwhile,
>> the browser wars are really heating up and Google has gotten into the act
>> with its Chrome browser which I have not bothered to try out yet but know
>> I
>> will eventually try it out on the Windows XP Professional side of my
>> multi-boot computer and/or maybe on Windows Vista Home Premium (32 bit)
>> in my
>> laptop computer. I find it annoying that if users buy a new computer so
>> many
>> of us have to deal with junk that is installed on the computer by default
>> and
>> it certainly makes me want to go and buy a retail copy of the operating
>> system and not just deal with an oem version or a defunct and problematic
>> image of the operating system. In my case, with the Toshiba Laptop
>> computer
>> the problem falls in my opinion clearly on Toshiba in this case because I
>> sent it in and the laptop computer was repaired and returned but I had
>> issues
>> with it upon return. Anyway, I called up Toshiba support and used their
>> cds
>> to install Windows Vista Home Premium again and it almost installed
>> correctly
>> but had errors tied with trying to install Microsoft Works on the
>> computer
>> but that was the only error. Toshiba has now sent me new cds and I will
>> eventually try again but certainly not now because I am just tired and
>> annoyed at using the oem version and am about ready to go out and buy a
>> retail upgrade copy of Windows Vista. The question now is I guess I will
>> try
>> 1 more time to correctly install the Windows Vista Home Premium oem and
>> then
>> finally get a retail version so I do not have to deal with all the
>> associated
>> crapware on the machine which is now just about 13 months old. I find
>> time
>> certainly does fly especially in the world of technology. Finally, I
>> wanted
>> to send my thanks to everyone in this newsgroup for all of their great
>> contributions and say Long Live Windows 98 Second Edition which remains
>> my
>> number 1 operating system and yes my opinion is Microsoft did get it
>> wrong by
>> choosing the business NT source code instead of the 9x source code but I
>> can
>> see that Microsoft has a good chance to get it right in the future when
>> their
>> new operating system based on their new source code is release. Note: It
>> will not be Windows 7 because this will still be NT based although I know
>> from Steve Riley, MSFT comments that much of the NT source code has been
>> reworked and rewritten, the underlying problem in my opinion, is that it
>> comes down to the foundation of a problematic code that is too limited in
>> computing nowadays which will indeed eventually thankfully be replaced
>> and NT
>> finally put to rest and hopefully that will solve many problems. The
>> question I pose to all of you is will Microsoft be able to have an
>> all-one-solution with one source code or is it indeed needed that there
>> be
>> again a business source code and a home based source code that despite
>> the
>> added cost and complexity is necessary in today's computing environment
>> or is
>> it just not needed anymore?
>
>
 
Well, I am sorry as well and send my best regards to Gary in his future
endeavors as well. I am sure all of us will continue to benefit from Gary's
wisdom in the 98 general newsgroup in the future.

"Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote:

> Gary -
>
> Sorry to learn that apparently your MVP status has been "retired".
> Good luck with your future endeavors.
>
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> news:OjMZ5KaHJHA.3504@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> > (Sitting here holding my breath...)
> >
> > Carey, *please* take Dan along with you as you scoot on out the door. It's
> > a perfect match!
> >
> > (For those who don't know Carey, he's got the brownest nose in MVP
> > history.)
> >
> > --
> > Gary S. Terhune
> > MS-MVP Shell/User
> > http://grystmill.com
> >
> > "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:O$JktmNHJHA.3668@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> >> Welcome to the blog dedicated to the engineering of Microsoft Windows 7
> >> http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2008/08/18/windows_5F00_7_5F00_team.aspx
> >>
> >> --
> >> Carey Frisch
> >> Microsoft MVP
> >> Windows Desktop Experience -
> >> Windows Vista Enthusiast
> >>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:9F4799E5-411E-4B7F-8AA3-2EEBCAFEFD9B@microsoft.com...
> >> I am certainly looking forward to the future in computing. There will be
> >> so
> >> many opportunities and sky computing certainly looks more promising now
> >> as
> >> time goes on. However, I for one am a guy who likes old-school computing
> >> while enjoying new computing as well when it is needed to accomplish the
> >> task
> >> at hand. Windows Vista has been available for a while now and now we
> >> also
> >> have Windows Vista Service Pack 1 and soon will have Windows 7.
> >> Meanwhile,
> >> the browser wars are really heating up and Google has gotten into the act
> >> with its Chrome browser which I have not bothered to try out yet but know
> >> I
> >> will eventually try it out on the Windows XP Professional side of my
> >> multi-boot computer and/or maybe on Windows Vista Home Premium (32 bit)
> >> in my
> >> laptop computer. I find it annoying that if users buy a new computer so
> >> many
> >> of us have to deal with junk that is installed on the computer by default
> >> and
> >> it certainly makes me want to go and buy a retail copy of the operating
> >> system and not just deal with an oem version or a defunct and problematic
> >> image of the operating system. In my case, with the Toshiba Laptop
> >> computer
> >> the problem falls in my opinion clearly on Toshiba in this case because I
> >> sent it in and the laptop computer was repaired and returned but I had
> >> issues
> >> with it upon return. Anyway, I called up Toshiba support and used their
> >> cds
> >> to install Windows Vista Home Premium again and it almost installed
> >> correctly
> >> but had errors tied with trying to install Microsoft Works on the
> >> computer
> >> but that was the only error. Toshiba has now sent me new cds and I will
> >> eventually try again but certainly not now because I am just tired and
> >> annoyed at using the oem version and am about ready to go out and buy a
> >> retail upgrade copy of Windows Vista. The question now is I guess I will
> >> try
> >> 1 more time to correctly install the Windows Vista Home Premium oem and
> >> then
> >> finally get a retail version so I do not have to deal with all the
> >> associated
> >> crapware on the machine which is now just about 13 months old. I find
> >> time
> >> certainly does fly especially in the world of technology. Finally, I
> >> wanted
> >> to send my thanks to everyone in this newsgroup for all of their great
> >> contributions and say Long Live Windows 98 Second Edition which remains
> >> my
> >> number 1 operating system and yes my opinion is Microsoft did get it
> >> wrong by
> >> choosing the business NT source code instead of the 9x source code but I
> >> can
> >> see that Microsoft has a good chance to get it right in the future when
> >> their
> >> new operating system based on their new source code is release. Note: It
> >> will not be Windows 7 because this will still be NT based although I know
> >> from Steve Riley, MSFT comments that much of the NT source code has been
> >> reworked and rewritten, the underlying problem in my opinion, is that it
> >> comes down to the foundation of a problematic code that is too limited in
> >> computing nowadays which will indeed eventually thankfully be replaced
> >> and NT
> >> finally put to rest and hopefully that will solve many problems. The
> >> question I pose to all of you is will Microsoft be able to have an
> >> all-one-solution with one source code or is it indeed needed that there
> >> be
> >> again a business source code and a home based source code that despite
> >> the
> >> added cost and complexity is necessary in today's computing environment
> >> or is
> >> it just not needed anymore?
> >
> >
>
>
>
 

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