Skirmish with .NET Framework versions 2.0, 3.0, 3.5 following update to SP1

[Doug]

System: Conventional PC with 4GB RAM, no swap file, Vista Home Premium with
all updates including SP1.

I am trying to run FxVisor32.msi (Vista Shortcut Overlay Remover from
http://www.cnet.com/) which installed normally but when run reports:
Unhandled exception error has occurred in your application. If you click
Continue, the application will ignore this error and attempt to continue. If
you click Quit, the application will close immediately.

The detailed report is appended. It will be seen that .NET\Framework\v2.0 is
involved. When I skip the message the program runs but a similar warning
(not shown here) is repeated with nothing achieved.

This incident follows a skirmish fought on my system between .NET Framework
3.5 and .NET Framework 3.0 following the installation of Nero 9.0.9.4 and
Nuance OmniPage 17 during which I ended up with both .NET 3.5 and 3.0
installed, as neither package would install with 3.5 alone..

I am wondering whether I now also need to install .NET Framework 2.0.
Ideally I suppose I am seeking a .NET environment that will cope with
everything that is thrown at it. Is it OK to have multiple versions of .NET
installed concurrently?

Perhaps I should just backup and then edit the icon overlay? Where would
that be? (I have icon editor IcoFX 1.6.4).

Doug


======== Appendix Starts =========
See the end of this message for details on invoking
just-in-time (JIT) debugging instead of this dialog box.

************** Exception Text **************
System.Configuration.ConfigurationErrorsException: Configuration system
failed to initialize ---> System.Configuration.ConfigurationErrorsException:
Unrecognized configuration section system.serviceModel.
(C:\Windows\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v2.0.50727\Config\machine.config line
146)
at System.Configuration.ConfigurationSchemaErrors.ThrowIfErrors(Boolean
ignoreLocal)
at
System.Configuration.BaseConfigurationRecord.ThrowIfParseErrors(ConfigurationSchemaErrors
schemaErrors)
at System.Configuration.BaseConfigurationRecord.ThrowIfInitErrors()
at System.Configuration.ClientConfigurationSystem.EnsureInit(String
configKey)
--- End of inner exception stack trace ---
at System.Configuration.ClientConfigurationSystem.EnsureInit(String
configKey)
at
System.Configuration.ClientConfigurationSystem.PrepareClientConfigSystem(String
sectionName)
at
System.Configuration.ClientConfigurationSystem.System.Configuration.Internal.IInternalConfigSystem.RefreshConfig(String
sectionName)
at System.Configuration.ConfigurationManager.RefreshSection(String
sectionName)
at System.Configuration.ClientSettingsStore.ReadSettings(String
sectionName, Boolean isUserScoped)
at
System.Configuration.LocalFileSettingsProvider.GetPropertyValues(SettingsContext
context, SettingsPropertyCollection properties)
at
System.Configuration.SettingsBase.GetPropertiesFromProvider(SettingsProvider
provider)
at System.Configuration.SettingsBase.GetPropertyValueByName(String
propertyName)
at System.Configuration.SettingsBase.get_Item(String propertyName)
at System.Configuration.ApplicationSettingsBase.GetPropertyValue(String
propertyName)
at System.Configuration.ApplicationSettingsBase.get_Item(String
propertyName)
at VistaArrowGone.Properties.Settings.get_Arrow()
at VistaArrowGone.Form1.Form1_Load(Object sender, EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Form.OnLoad(EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Form.OnCreateControl()
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.CreateControl(Boolean fIgnoreVisible)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.CreateControl()
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmShowWindow(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.ScrollableControl.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.ContainerControl.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Form.WmShowWindow(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Form.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.OnMessage(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg,
IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam)


************** Loaded Assemblies **************
mscorlib
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.4016 (NetFxQFE.050727-4000)
CodeBase:
file:///C:/Windows/Microsoft.NET/Framework/v2.0.50727/mscorlib.dll
----------------------------------------
FxVisor
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.0.0
CodeBase:
file:///C:/Program%20Files/Frameworkx/Vista%20Shortcut%20Manager/FxVisor.exe
----------------------------------------
System.Windows.Forms
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.4016 (NetFxQFE.050727-4000)
CodeBase:
file:///C:/Windows/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Windows.Forms/2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Windows.Forms.dll
----------------------------------------
System
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.4016 (NetFxQFE.050727-4000)
CodeBase:
file:///C:/Windows/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System/2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.dll
----------------------------------------
System.Drawing
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.4016 (NetFxQFE.050727-4000)
CodeBase:
file:///C:/Windows/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Drawing/2.0.0.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a/System.Drawing.dll
----------------------------------------
System.Configuration
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.4016 (NetFxQFE.050727-4000)
CodeBase:
file:///C:/Windows/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Configuration/2.0.0.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a/System.Configuration.dll
----------------------------------------
System.Xml
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.4016 (NetFxQFE.050727-4000)
CodeBase:
file:///C:/Windows/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Xml/2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Xml.dll
----------------------------------------

************** JIT Debugging **************
To enable just-in-time (JIT) debugging, the .config file for this
application or computer (machine.config) must have the
jitDebugging value set in the system.windows.forms section.
The application must also be compiled with debugging
enabled.

For example:





When JIT debugging is enabled, any unhandled exception
will be sent to the JIT debugger registered on the computer
rather than be handled by this dialog box.
========= Appendix Ends ==========



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[DL]

Run MS Update, install any Net framework offered, yes you need multiple
versions as an app may be version specific
No swap file?

"Doug" wrote in message
news:%23zVjLaA8JHA.3700@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> System: Conventional PC with 4GB RAM, no swap file, Vista Home Premium
> with all updates including SP1.
>
> I am trying to run FxVisor32.msi (Vista Shortcut Overlay Remover from
> http://www.cnet.com/) which installed normally but when run reports:
> Unhandled exception error has occurred in your application. If you click
> Continue, the application will ignore this error and attempt to continue.
> If you click Quit, the application will close immediately.
>
> The detailed report is appended. It will be seen that .NETFrameworkv2.0
> is involved. When I skip the message the program runs but a similar
> warning (not shown here) is repeated with nothing achieved.
>
> This incident follows a skirmish fought on my system between .NET
> Framework 3.5 and .NET Framework 3.0 following the installation of Nero
> 9.0.9.4 and Nuance OmniPage 17 during which I ended up with both .NET 3.5
> and 3.0 installed, as neither package would install with 3.5 alone..
>
> I am wondering whether I now also need to install .NET Framework 2.0.
> Ideally I suppose I am seeking a .NET environment that will cope with
> everything that is thrown at it. Is it OK to have multiple versions of
> .NET installed concurrently?
>
> Perhaps I should just backup and then edit the icon overlay? Where would
> that be? (I have icon editor IcoFX 1.6.4).
>
> Doug
>
>
> ======== Appendix Starts =========
> See the end of this message for details on invoking
> just-in-time (JIT) debugging instead of this dialog box.
>
> ************** Exception Text **************
> System.Configuration.ConfigurationErrorsException: Configuration system
> failed to initialize --->
> System.Configuration.ConfigurationErrorsException: Unrecognized
> configuration section system.serviceModel.
> (C:WindowsMicrosoft.NETFrameworkv2.0.50727Configmachine.config line
> 146)
> at System.Configuration.ConfigurationSchemaErrors.ThrowIfErrors(Boolean
> ignoreLocal)
> at
> System.Configuration.BaseConfigurationRecord.ThrowIfParseErrors(ConfigurationSchemaErrors
> schemaErrors)
> at System.Configuration.BaseConfigurationRecord.ThrowIfInitErrors()
> at System.Configuration.ClientConfigurationSystem.EnsureInit(String
> configKey)
> --- End of inner exception stack trace ---
> at System.Configuration.ClientConfigurationSystem.EnsureInit(String
> configKey)
> at
> System.Configuration.ClientConfigurationSystem.PrepareClientConfigSystem(String
> sectionName)
> at
> System.Configuration.ClientConfigurationSystem.System.Configuration.Internal.IInternalConfigSystem.RefreshConfig(String
> sectionName)
> at System.Configuration.ConfigurationManager.RefreshSection(String
> sectionName)
> at System.Configuration.ClientSettingsStore.ReadSettings(String
> sectionName, Boolean isUserScoped)
> at
> System.Configuration.LocalFileSettingsProvider.GetPropertyValues(SettingsContext
> context, SettingsPropertyCollection properties)
> at
> System.Configuration.SettingsBase.GetPropertiesFromProvider(SettingsProvider
> provider)
> at System.Configuration.SettingsBase.GetPropertyValueByName(String
> propertyName)
> at System.Configuration.SettingsBase.get_Item(String propertyName)
> at System.Configuration.ApplicationSettingsBase.GetPropertyValue(String
> propertyName)
> at System.Configuration.ApplicationSettingsBase.get_Item(String
> propertyName)
> at VistaArrowGone.Properties.Settings.get_Arrow()
> at VistaArrowGone.Form1.Form1_Load(Object sender, EventArgs e)
> at System.Windows.Forms.Form.OnLoad(EventArgs e)
> at System.Windows.Forms.Form.OnCreateControl()
> at System.Windows.Forms.Control.CreateControl(Boolean fIgnoreVisible)
> at System.Windows.Forms.Control.CreateControl()
> at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmShowWindow(Message& m)
> at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m)
> at System.Windows.Forms.ScrollableControl.WndProc(Message& m)
> at System.Windows.Forms.ContainerControl.WndProc(Message& m)
> at System.Windows.Forms.Form.WmShowWindow(Message& m)
> at System.Windows.Forms.Form.WndProc(Message& m)
> at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.OnMessage(Message&
> m)
> at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.WndProc(Message& m)
> at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg,
> IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam)
>
>
> ************** Loaded Assemblies **************
> mscorlib
> Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
> Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.4016 (NetFxQFE.050727-4000)
> CodeBase:
> file:///C:/Windows/Microsoft.NET/Framework/v2.0.50727/mscorlib.dll
> ----------------------------------------
> FxVisor
> Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
> Win32 Version: 2.0.0.0
> CodeBase:
> file:///C:/Program%20Files/Frameworkx/Vista%20Shortcut%20Manager/FxVisor.exe
> ----------------------------------------
> System.Windows.Forms
> Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
> Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.4016 (NetFxQFE.050727-4000)
> CodeBase:
> file:///C:/Windows/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Windows.Forms/2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Windows.Forms.dll
> ----------------------------------------
> System
> Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
> Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.4016 (NetFxQFE.050727-4000)
> CodeBase:
> file:///C:/Windows/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System/2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.dll
> ----------------------------------------
> System.Drawing
> Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
> Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.4016 (NetFxQFE.050727-4000)
> CodeBase:
> file:///C:/Windows/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Drawing/2.0.0.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a/System.Drawing.dll
> ----------------------------------------
> System.Configuration
> Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
> Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.4016 (NetFxQFE.050727-4000)
> CodeBase:
> file:///C:/Windows/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Configuration/2.0.0.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a/System.Configuration.dll
> ----------------------------------------
> System.Xml
> Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
> Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.4016 (NetFxQFE.050727-4000)
> CodeBase:
> file:///C:/Windows/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Xml/2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Xml.dll
> ----------------------------------------
>
> ************** JIT Debugging **************
> To enable just-in-time (JIT) debugging, the .config file for this
> application or computer (machine.config) must have the
> jitDebugging value set in the system.windows.forms section.
> The application must also be compiled with debugging
> enabled.
>
> For example:
>
>
>
>
>
> When JIT debugging is enabled, any unhandled exception
> will be sent to the JIT debugger registered on the computer
> rather than be handled by this dialog box.
> ========= Appendix Ends ==========
>
>
>
> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus
> signature database 4166 (20090618) __________
>
> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.
>
> http://www.eset.com
>
>
>

 

[William Yanaire, ESQ]

"JEWboy" wrote in message
news:OrhTBBC8JHA.2388@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> no swap file due to 4GB this guy thought it's OK, but I dont think. I
> think he needs a swap file

You are 100% right. You don't think.

IDIOT

 

[Mike]

"JEWboy" wrote in message
news:OrhTBBC8JHA.2388@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
< but I dont think.

We know, dammit! We know!
--

Don't pick a fight with an old man.
If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.

 

[JEWboy]

no swap file due to 4GB this guy thought it's OK, but I dont think. I think
he needs a swap file

 

[Doug]

Thanks, DL, for explaining that it is normal to run multiple versions of
..NET.

No swap file? - I only mentioned it in case it might affect the .NET issue.

Off topic, when I took my box in to the manufacturer to have an extra 2GB
fitted to make 4GB, I was surprised when I got it home to find the
technician had removed the swap file. After trying it with a fixed swap file
of around 9GB and reading up about it, I decided that opinion was evenly
divided and that he was probably right. The space is welcome, the disc
thrashing reduced, everything seems faster, and PerfectDisk has less
defragging to do.

Doug

"DL" wrote in message
news:e7JwBCB8JHA.5828@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Run MS Update, install any Net framework offered, yes you need multiple
> versions as an app may be version specific
> No swap file?
>
> "Doug" wrote in message
> news:%23zVjLaA8JHA.3700@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> System: Conventional PC with 4GB RAM, no swap file, Vista Home Premium
>> with all updates including SP1.
>>
>> I am trying to run FxVisor32.msi (Vista Shortcut Overlay Remover from
>> http://www.cnet.com/) which installed normally but when run reports:
>> Unhandled exception error has occurred in your application. If you click
>> Continue, the application will ignore this error and attempt to continue.
>> If you click Quit, the application will close immediately.
>>
>> The detailed report is appended. It will be seen that .NETFrameworkv2.0
>> is involved. When I skip the message the program runs but a similar
>> warning (not shown here) is repeated with nothing achieved.
>>
>> This incident follows a skirmish fought on my system between .NET
>> Framework 3.5 and .NET Framework 3.0 following the installation of Nero
>> 9.0.9.4 and Nuance OmniPage 17 during which I ended up with both .NET 3.5
>> and 3.0 installed, as neither package would install with 3.5 alone..
>>
>> I am wondering whether I now also need to install .NET Framework 2.0.
>> Ideally I suppose I am seeking a .NET environment that will cope with
>> everything that is thrown at it. Is it OK to have multiple versions of
>> .NET installed concurrently?
>>
>> Perhaps I should just backup and then edit the icon overlay? Where would
>> that be? (I have icon editor IcoFX 1.6.4).
>>
>> Doug
>>
>>
>> ======== Appendix Starts =========
>> See the end of this message for details on invoking
>> just-in-time (JIT) debugging instead of this dialog box.
>>
>> ************** Exception Text **************
>> System.Configuration.ConfigurationErrorsException: Configuration system
>> failed to initialize --->
>> System.Configuration.ConfigurationErrorsException: Unrecognized
>> configuration section system.serviceModel.
>> (C:WindowsMicrosoft.NETFrameworkv2.0.50727Configmachine.config line
>> 146)
>> at System.Configuration.ConfigurationSchemaErrors.ThrowIfErrors(Boolean
>> ignoreLocal)
>> at
>> System.Configuration.BaseConfigurationRecord.ThrowIfParseErrors(ConfigurationSchemaErrors
>> schemaErrors)
>> at System.Configuration.BaseConfigurationRecord.ThrowIfInitErrors()
>> at System.Configuration.ClientConfigurationSystem.EnsureInit(String
>> configKey)
>> --- End of inner exception stack trace ---
>> at System.Configuration.ClientConfigurationSystem.EnsureInit(String
>> configKey)
>> at
>> System.Configuration.ClientConfigurationSystem.PrepareClientConfigSystem(String
>> sectionName)
>> at
>> System.Configuration.ClientConfigurationSystem.System.Configuration.Internal.IInternalConfigSystem.RefreshConfig(String
>> sectionName)
>> at System.Configuration.ConfigurationManager.RefreshSection(String
>> sectionName)
>> at System.Configuration.ClientSettingsStore.ReadSettings(String
>> sectionName, Boolean isUserScoped)
>> at
>> System.Configuration.LocalFileSettingsProvider.GetPropertyValues(SettingsContext
>> context, SettingsPropertyCollection properties)
>> at
>> System.Configuration.SettingsBase.GetPropertiesFromProvider(SettingsProvider
>> provider)
>> at System.Configuration.SettingsBase.GetPropertyValueByName(String
>> propertyName)
>> at System.Configuration.SettingsBase.get_Item(String propertyName)
>> at System.Configuration.ApplicationSettingsBase.GetPropertyValue(String
>> propertyName)
>> at System.Configuration.ApplicationSettingsBase.get_Item(String
>> propertyName)
>> at VistaArrowGone.Properties.Settings.get_Arrow()
>> at VistaArrowGone.Form1.Form1_Load(Object sender, EventArgs e)
>> at System.Windows.Forms.Form.OnLoad(EventArgs e)
>> at System.Windows.Forms.Form.OnCreateControl()
>> at System.Windows.Forms.Control.CreateControl(Boolean fIgnoreVisible)
>> at System.Windows.Forms.Control.CreateControl()
>> at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmShowWindow(Message& m)
>> at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m)
>> at System.Windows.Forms.ScrollableControl.WndProc(Message& m)
>> at System.Windows.Forms.ContainerControl.WndProc(Message& m)
>> at System.Windows.Forms.Form.WmShowWindow(Message& m)
>> at System.Windows.Forms.Form.WndProc(Message& m)
>> at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.OnMessage(Message&
>> m)
>> at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.WndProc(Message& m)
>> at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg,
>> IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam)
>>
>>
>> ************** Loaded Assemblies **************
>> mscorlib
>> Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
>> Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.4016 (NetFxQFE.050727-4000)
>> CodeBase:
>> file:///C:/Windows/Microsoft.NET/Framework/v2.0.50727/mscorlib.dll
>> ----------------------------------------
>> FxVisor
>> Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
>> Win32 Version: 2.0.0.0
>> CodeBase:
>> file:///C:/Program%20Files/Frameworkx/Vista%20Shortcut%20Manager/FxVisor.exe
>> ----------------------------------------
>> System.Windows.Forms
>> Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
>> Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.4016 (NetFxQFE.050727-4000)
>> CodeBase:
>> file:///C:/Windows/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Windows.Forms/2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Windows.Forms.dll
>> ----------------------------------------
>> System
>> Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
>> Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.4016 (NetFxQFE.050727-4000)
>> CodeBase:
>> file:///C:/Windows/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System/2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.dll
>> ----------------------------------------
>> System.Drawing
>> Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
>> Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.4016 (NetFxQFE.050727-4000)
>> CodeBase:
>> file:///C:/Windows/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Drawing/2.0.0.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a/System.Drawing.dll
>> ----------------------------------------
>> System.Configuration
>> Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
>> Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.4016 (NetFxQFE.050727-4000)
>> CodeBase:
>> file:///C:/Windows/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Configuration/2.0.0.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a/System.Configuration.dll
>> ----------------------------------------
>> System.Xml
>> Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
>> Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.4016 (NetFxQFE.050727-4000)
>> CodeBase:
>> file:///C:/Windows/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Xml/2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Xml.dll
>> ----------------------------------------
>>
>> ************** JIT Debugging **************
>> To enable just-in-time (JIT) debugging, the .config file for this
>> application or computer (machine.config) must have the
>> jitDebugging value set in the system.windows.forms section.
>> The application must also be compiled with debugging
>> enabled.
>>
>> For example:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> When JIT debugging is enabled, any unhandled exception
>> will be sent to the JIT debugger registered on the computer
>> rather than be handled by this dialog box.
>> ========= Appendix Ends ==========


__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4168 (20090618) __________

The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.

http://www.eset.com

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 19:00:36 +0100, "Doug"
wrote:


> Off topic, when I took my box in to the manufacturer to have an extra 2GB
> fitted to make 4GB, I was surprised when I got it home to find the
> technician had removed the swap file. After trying it with a fixed swap file
> of around 9GB and reading up about it, I decided that opinion was evenly
> divided and that he was probably right.



He was not right.


> The space is welcome, the disc
> thrashing reduced, everything seems faster, and PerfectDisk has less
> defragging to do.


There's no reason to have a fixed size. There's no advantage to not
having a page file, and often a disadvantage.

1. If you don't have a page file, you can't use all the RAM you have.
That's because Windows preallocates virtual memory in anticipation of
a possible need for it, even though that allocated virtual memory may
never be used. Without a page file, that allocation has to be made in
real memory, thus tying up that memory and preventing it from being
used for any purpose.

2. There is never a benefit in not having a page file. If it isn't
needed, it won't be used. Don't confuse allocated memory with used
memory.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

 

[Doug]

"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
news:s95l351bogq2d89t2u2gj0eocmn67b1v1l@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 19:00:36 +0100, "Doug"
> wrote:
>
>> Off topic, when I took my box in to the manufacturer to have an extra 2GB
>> fitted to make 4GB, I was surprised when I got it home to find the
>> technician had removed the swap file. After trying it with a fixed swap
>> file
>> of around 9GB and reading up about it, I decided that opinion was evenly
>> divided and that he was probably right.
>
> He was not right.
>
>> The space is welcome, the disc
>> thrashing reduced, everything seems faster, and PerfectDisk has less
>> defragging to do.
>
> There's no reason to have a fixed size. There's no advantage to not
> having a page file, and often a disadvantage.
>
> 1. If you don't have a page file, you can't use all the RAM you have.
> That's because Windows preallocates virtual memory in anticipation of
> a possible need for it, even though that allocated virtual memory may
> never be used. Without a page file, that allocation has to be made in
> real memory, thus tying up that memory and preventing it from being
> used for any purpose.
>
> 2. There is never a benefit in not having a page file. If it isn't
> needed, it won't be used. Don't confuse allocated memory with used
> memory.
> --
> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

Thanks, Ken, I shall certainly give this further attention.
Doug


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The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.

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[Ken Blake, MVP]

On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 07:19:19 +0100, "Doug"
wrote:

> "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
> news:s95l351bogq2d89t2u2gj0eocmn67b1v1l@4ax.com...
> > On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 19:00:36 +0100, "Doug"
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Off topic, when I took my box in to the manufacturer to have an extra 2GB
> >> fitted to make 4GB, I was surprised when I got it home to find the
> >> technician had removed the swap file. After trying it with a fixed swap
> >> file
> >> of around 9GB and reading up about it, I decided that opinion was evenly
> >> divided and that he was probably right.
> >
> > He was not right.
> >
> >> The space is welcome, the disc
> >> thrashing reduced, everything seems faster, and PerfectDisk has less
> >> defragging to do.
> >
> > There's no reason to have a fixed size. There's no advantage to not
> > having a page file, and often a disadvantage.
> >
> > 1. If you don't have a page file, you can't use all the RAM you have.
> > That's because Windows preallocates virtual memory in anticipation of
> > a possible need for it, even though that allocated virtual memory may
> > never be used. Without a page file, that allocation has to be made in
> > real memory, thus tying up that memory and preventing it from being
> > used for any purpose.
> >
> > 2. There is never a benefit in not having a page file. If it isn't
> > needed, it won't be used. Don't confuse allocated memory with used
> > memory.
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> > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
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> Thanks, Ken, I shall certainly give this further attention.


You're welcome. Glad to help.

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