repeatedly defrag

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Mike

Hi

I've defraged C hard-disk.
Then I found the disk still contains some discontinuity.
So I analyze it and it suggests defrag again.
I've repeatedly analyzed and defrag many times.
Why?

Thank you in advance.

Mike
 
"Mike" <SulfateIon@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hi
>
> I've defraged C hard-disk.
> Then I found the disk still contains some discontinuity.
> So I analyze it and it suggests defrag again.
> I've repeatedly analyzed and defrag many times.
> Why?
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
> Mike


You may not have enough free space on the drive
 
Mike

I would be interested in seeing a Disk Defragmenter report. Open Disk
Defragmenter and click on Analyse. Select View Report and
click on Save As and Save. Now find VolumeC.txt in your My Documents
Folder and post a copy. Do this before running Disk Defragmenter as it
is more informative.


--



Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mike wrote:
> Hi
>
> I've defraged C hard-disk.
> Then I found the disk still contains some discontinuity.
> So I analyze it and it suggests defrag again.
> I've repeatedly analyzed and defrag many times.
> Why?
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
> Mike
 
Could be the defrag has not completed due to
-low disk space. Need to clear up some disk space. The XP defragger needs atleast 15% to function well.
-fragmented system files (MFT, page file) . Need to do a boot-time defrag. XP defragger cannot do it.
-heavy fragmentation. May need repeated attempts.

You could check the analysis report for the list of fragmented files. that should indicate if the system files are fragmented.

Also, you can defrag quickly and thoroughly (including system files) even under low space conditions, with third party utilities such as Diskeeper. They are not free, but you can get 30-day fully functional free downloads from the Diskeeper website if you want. That's a quick fix to most defrag woes.


Mike said:
Hi

I've defraged C hard-disk.
Then I found the disk still contains some discontinuity.
So I analyze it and it suggests defrag again.
I've repeatedly analyzed and defrag many times.
Why?

Thank you in advance.

Mike
Click to expand...
 
I agree with Aevin, some of the third party party do a very efficent job
on the first attempt and faster if your drive is badly fragged. Some of
them also defrag with lesser free space.



'Aevin[_3_ Wrote:
> 3134634']Could be the defrag has not completed due to
> -low disk space. Need to clear up some disk space. The XP defragger
> needs atleast 15% to function well.
> -fragmented system files (MFT, page file) . Need to do a boot-time
> defrag. XP defragger cannot do it.
> -heavy fragmentation. May need repeated attempts.
>
> You could check the analysis report for the list of fragmented files.
> that should indicate if the system files are fragmented.
>
> Also, you can defrag quickly and thoroughly (including system files)
> even under low space conditions, with third party utilities such as
> Diskeeper. They are not free, but you can get 30-day fully functional
> free downloads from the Diskeeper website if you want. That's a quick
> fix to most defrag woes.
>
>
> Mike787165 Wrote: -
> Hi
>
> I've defraged C hard-disk.
> Then I found the disk still contains some discontinuity.
> So I analyze it and it suggests defrag again.
> I've repeatedly analyzed and defrag many times.
> Why?
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
> Mike-
>
>
> --
> Aevin
> Posted via http://freepchelp.forum Forum to Usenet gateway




--
doodle
 
Perhaps if you both understood how to get the best out of the Microsoft
Disk Defragmenter you would find a third party Disk Defragmenter
unnecessary and save hard earned cash for something else!

--



Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


doodle wrote:
> I agree with Aevin, some of the third party party do a very efficent
> job on the first attempt and faster if your drive is badly fragged.
> Some of them also defrag with lesser free space.
>
>
>
> 'Aevin[_3_ Wrote:
>> 3134634']Could be the defrag has not completed due to
>> -low disk space. Need to clear up some disk space. The XP defragger
>> needs atleast 15% to function well.
>> -fragmented system files (MFT, page file) . Need to do a boot-time
>> defrag. XP defragger cannot do it.
>> -heavy fragmentation. May need repeated attempts.
>>
>> You could check the analysis report for the list of fragmented files.
>> that should indicate if the system files are fragmented.
>>
>> Also, you can defrag quickly and thoroughly (including system files)
>> even under low space conditions, with third party utilities such as
>> Diskeeper. They are not free, but you can get 30-day fully functional
>> free downloads from the Diskeeper website if you want. That's a quick
>> fix to most defrag woes.
>>
>>
>> Mike787165 Wrote: -
>> Hi
>>
>> I've defraged C hard-disk.
>> Then I found the disk still contains some discontinuity.
>> So I analyze it and it suggests defrag again.
>> I've repeatedly analyzed and defrag many times.
>> Why?
>>
>> Thank you in advance.
>>
>> Mike-
>>
>>
>> --
>> Aevin
>> Posted via http://freepchelp.forum Forum to Usenet gateway
 
"Gerry" <gerry@nospam.com> wrote:

>Perhaps if you both understood how to get the best out of the Microsoft
>Disk Defragmenter you would find a third party Disk Defragmenter
>unnecessary and save hard earned cash for something else!

The one insurmountable problem is the inability to defrag when there
is less than 15% free space on the disk.

Ya gotta pay to get that.
 
A good, more full featured Defrag tool that is cost free is JKDefrag.
http://www.kessels.com/JkDefrag/
Provides both a Windows GUI based tool and a command line version
that is easily scheduled.

"Gerry" <gerry@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:ux3dJEAyIHA.1504@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Perhaps if you both understood how to get the best out of the Microsoft
> Disk Defragmenter you would find a third party Disk Defragmenter
> unnecessary and save hard earned cash for something else!
>
> --
>
>
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Gerry
> ~~~~
> FCA
> Stourport, England
> Enquire, plan and execute
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
> doodle wrote:
>> I agree with Aevin, some of the third party party do a very efficent
>> job on the first attempt and faster if your drive is badly fragged.
>> Some of them also defrag with lesser free space.
>>
>>
>>
>> 'Aevin[_3_ Wrote:
>>> 3134634']Could be the defrag has not completed due to
>>> -low disk space. Need to clear up some disk space. The XP defragger
>>> needs atleast 15% to function well.
>>> -fragmented system files (MFT, page file) . Need to do a boot-time
>>> defrag. XP defragger cannot do it.
>>> -heavy fragmentation. May need repeated attempts.
>>>
>>> You could check the analysis report for the list of fragmented files.
>>> that should indicate if the system files are fragmented.
>>>
>>> Also, you can defrag quickly and thoroughly (including system files)
>>> even under low space conditions, with third party utilities such as
>>> Diskeeper. They are not free, but you can get 30-day fully functional
>>> free downloads from the Diskeeper website if you want. That's a quick
>>> fix to most defrag woes.
>>>
>>>
>>> Mike787165 Wrote: -
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> I've defraged C hard-disk.
>>> Then I found the disk still contains some discontinuity.
>>> So I analyze it and it suggests defrag again.
>>> I've repeatedly analyzed and defrag many times.
>>> Why?
>>>
>>> Thank you in advance.
>>>
>>> Mike-
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Aevin
>>> Posted via http://freepchelp.forum Forum to Usenet gateway
>
>
 
There's good advice in the other posts, but file system errors can cause a
Windows defrag to quit before it's really finished. Check your drive for
errors. In a command window, type:

CHKDSK /F C:

When it prompts "Would you like to schedule this volume to be checked the
next time the system restarts?" enter Y, then reboot your system.

If the defrag still doesn't work (and you don't mind waiting a long time for
your system to reboot), you could try a more thorough scan:

CHKDSK /R C:

Both of these commands will write a report into the Application event log,
with a source of Winlogon. Don't worry about the hundreds of "minor
inconsistencies" that will be reported they're normal.

Good luck!

"Mike" wrote:

> Hi
>
> I've defraged C hard-disk.
> Then I found the disk still contains some discontinuity.
> So I analyze it and it suggests defrag again.
> I've repeatedly analyzed and defrag many times.
> Why?
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
> Mike
>
 
On Jun 7, 3:25 am, jjjdavidson <jjjdavid...@discussions.microsoft.com>
wrote:
> There's good advice in the other posts, but file system errors can cause a
> Windows defrag to quit before it's really finished.  Check your drive for
> errors.  In a command window, type:
>
> CHKDSK /F C:
>
> When it prompts "Would you like to schedule this volume to be checked the
> next time the system restarts?" enter Y, then reboot your system.
>
> If the defrag still doesn't work (and you don't mind waiting a long time for
> your system to reboot), you could try a more thorough scan:
>
> CHKDSK /R C:
>
> Both of these commands will write a report into the Application event log,
> with a source of Winlogon.  Don't worry about the hundreds of "minor
> inconsistencies" that will be reported they're normal.
>
> Good luck!
>
>
>
> "Mike" wrote:
> > Hi
>
> > I've defraged C hard-disk.
> > Then I found the disk still contains some discontinuity.
> > So I analyze it and it suggests defrag again.
> > I've repeatedly analyzed and defrag many times.
> > Why?
>
> > Thank you in advance.
>
> > Mike- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


I've checked that in C disk I still have 69% available space.
I've checked the report saying the extent of variation of files is
always 22%, when repeated defragmentations have been performed.

Mike
 
PD43

Not necessarily true. There are ways to get round your perceived
problem.

Select Start, All Programs, Accessories, System Tools, Disk CleanUp to
Empty your Recycle Bin and Remove Temporary Internet Files. Also select
Start, All Programs, accessories, System Tools, Disk CleanUp, More
Options, System Restore and remove all but the latest System Restore
point. Run Disk Defragmenter.

Reducing System Restore Points can tip the balance. Also using cCleaner
plus Disk CleanUp, More Options, System Restore will win even more free
space. Outlook Express users should compact before running Disk CleanUp
/ cCleaner. Another trick is to set the pagefile to zero, restart the
computer, run Disk CleanUp etc and then reinstate the pagefile. Don't do
the pagefile trick if you have a contiguous pagefile as you will not get
a contiguous page file when it is reinstated. Another solution is that
you could copy a large data file or files to a flash drive or CD,
deleting the file(s) from the original locations, and restore the files
after running Disk Defragmenter.

Disk Defragmenter will run where free disk space is less than 15%. The
problem is that with less than 15% you can encounter problems trying to
defragment large files. You can encounter this problem with more than
15% free space but the problem is more pronounced as you move downwards
from 15%. Running Disk Defragmenter a second time can be a solution but
often it is not.

However, all the above are in reality temporary solutions. You should
not be running a computer with free disk space of less than say 25%, if
you want reasonable system performance. If you cannot free up disk
space, there are usually many ways to do this, then the existing drive
should either be replaced with a larger drive or a second drive added
where the computer can accomodate a second drive. The saving on not
buying a third party defragmenter will go some way towards buying the
new drive.

--



Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

PD43 wrote:
> "Gerry" <gerry@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> Perhaps if you both understood how to get the best out of the
>> Microsoft Disk Defragmenter you would find a third party Disk
>> Defragmenter unnecessary and save hard earned cash for something
>> else!
>
> The one insurmountable problem is the inability to defrag when there
> is less than 15% free space on the disk.
>
> Ya gotta pay to get that.
 
Mike

Why don't you post a copy of your Disk Deframenter report complete with
the Most Fragmented List as I suggested earlier?


--



Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Mike wrote:
> On Jun 7, 3:25 am, jjjdavidson <jjjdavid...@discussions.microsoft.com>
> wrote:
>> There's good advice in the other posts, but file system errors can
>> cause a Windows defrag to quit before it's really finished. Check
>> your drive for errors. In a command window, type:
>>
>> CHKDSK /F C:
>>
>> When it prompts "Would you like to schedule this volume to be
>> checked the next time the system restarts?" enter Y, then reboot
>> your system.
>>
>> If the defrag still doesn't work (and you don't mind waiting a long
>> time for your system to reboot), you could try a more thorough scan:
>>
>> CHKDSK /R C:
>>
>> Both of these commands will write a report into the Application
>> event log, with a source of Winlogon. Don't worry about the hundreds
>> of "minor inconsistencies" that will be reported they're normal.
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>>
>>
>> "Mike" wrote:
>>> Hi
>>
>>> I've defraged C hard-disk.
>>> Then I found the disk still contains some discontinuity.
>>> So I analyze it and it suggests defrag again.
>>> I've repeatedly analyzed and defrag many times.
>>> Why?
>>
>>> Thank you in advance.
>>
>>> Mike- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>
> I've checked that in C disk I still have 69% available space.
> I've checked the report saying the extent of variation of files is
> always 22%, when repeated defragmentations have been performed.
>
> Mike
 
As I understand JK Defrag has no real advantages over the Microsoft
Defragmenter. It may easier to schedule automatic running of the tool
but as you need to run Disk CleanUp or other before Disk Defragmenter is
run to maximise the benefits of housekeeping I cannot see that
automation helps. A better third party defragmenter is Perfect Disk but
you pay for that utility. If you get defragmentation issues because of
limited free disk your money is better spent on a larger drive, whether
as a replacement or as a second drive.

If JK Defrag has other advantages please advise.

--



Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

R. McCarty wrote:
> A good, more full featured Defrag tool that is cost free is JKDefrag.
> http://www.kessels.com/JkDefrag/
> Provides both a Windows GUI based tool and a command line version
> that is easily scheduled.
>
> "Gerry" <gerry@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:ux3dJEAyIHA.1504@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Perhaps if you both understood how to get the best out of the
>> Microsoft Disk Defragmenter you would find a third party Disk
>> Defragmenter unnecessary and save hard earned cash for something
>> else! --
>>
>>
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> Gerry
>> ~~~~
>> FCA
>> Stourport, England
>> Enquire, plan and execute
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>
>> doodle wrote:
>>> I agree with Aevin, some of the third party party do a very efficent
>>> job on the first attempt and faster if your drive is badly fragged.
>>> Some of them also defrag with lesser free space.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 'Aevin[_3_ Wrote:
>>>> 3134634']Could be the defrag has not completed due to
>>>> -low disk space. Need to clear up some disk space. The XP defragger
>>>> needs atleast 15% to function well.
>>>> -fragmented system files (MFT, page file) . Need to do a boot-time
>>>> defrag. XP defragger cannot do it.
>>>> -heavy fragmentation. May need repeated attempts.
>>>>
>>>> You could check the analysis report for the list of fragmented
>>>> files. that should indicate if the system files are fragmented.
>>>>
>>>> Also, you can defrag quickly and thoroughly (including system
>>>> files) even under low space conditions, with third party utilities
>>>> such as Diskeeper. They are not free, but you can get 30-day fully
>>>> functional free downloads from the Diskeeper website if you want.
>>>> That's a quick fix to most defrag woes.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mike787165 Wrote: -
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> I've defraged C hard-disk.
>>>> Then I found the disk still contains some discontinuity.
>>>> So I analyze it and it suggests defrag again.
>>>> I've repeatedly analyzed and defrag many times.
>>>> Why?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you in advance.
>>>>
>>>> Mike-
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Aevin
>>>> Posted via http://freepchelp.forum Forum to Usenet gateway
 
"Gerry" <gerry@nospam.com> wrote:

>PD43
>
>Not necessarily true. There are ways to get round your perceived
>problem.

I wasn't asking for help, was only providing some basic info. I'm not
even running XP anymore on my main machine, just on my notebook where
space isn't even a problem since I only use that for web-surfing and
email and don't have all the crap I've accumulated over the years
loaded on to it.

>Select Start, All Programs, Accessories, System Tools, Disk CleanUp to
>Empty your Recycle Bin and Remove Temporary Internet Files. Also select
>Start, All Programs, accessories, System Tools, Disk CleanUp, More
>Options, System Restore and remove all but the latest System Restore
>point. Run Disk Defragmenter.
>
>Reducing System Restore Points can tip the balance. Also using cCleaner
>plus Disk CleanUp, More Options, System Restore will win even more free
>space. Outlook Express users should compact before running Disk CleanUp
>/ cCleaner. Another trick is to set the pagefile to zero, restart the
>computer, run Disk CleanUp etc and then reinstate the pagefile. Don't do
>the pagefile trick if you have a contiguous pagefile as you will not get
>a contiguous page file when it is reinstated. Another solution is that
>you could copy a large data file or files to a flash drive or CD,
>deleting the file(s) from the original locations, and restore the files
>after running Disk Defragmenter.
>
>Disk Defragmenter will run where free disk space is less than 15%. The
>problem is that with less than 15% you can encounter problems trying to
>defragment large files. You can encounter this problem with more than
>15% free space but the problem is more pronounced as you move downwards
>from 15%. Running Disk Defragmenter a second time can be a solution but
>often it is not.
>
>However, all the above are in reality temporary solutions. You should
>not be running a computer with free disk space of less than say 25%, if
>you want reasonable system performance. If you cannot free up disk
>space, there are usually many ways to do this, then the existing drive
>should either be replaced with a larger drive or a second drive added
>where the computer can accomodate a second drive. The saving on not
>buying a third party defragmenter will go some way towards buying the
>new drive.
 
On Jun 7, 9:50 am, "Gerry" <ge...@nospam.com> wrote:
> Mike
>
> Why don't you post a copy of your Disk Deframenter report complete with
> the Most Fragmented List as I suggested earlier?
>
> --
>
> Hope  this helps.
>
> Gerry
> ~~~~
> FCA
> Stourport, England
> Enquire, plan and execute
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
> Mike wrote:
> > On Jun 7, 3:25 am, jjjdavidson <jjjdavid...@discussions.microsoft.com>
> > wrote:
> >> There's good advice in the other posts, but file system errors can
> >> cause a Windows defrag to quit before it's really finished. Check
> >> your drive for errors. In a command window, type:
>
> >> CHKDSK /F C:
>
> >> When it prompts "Would you like to schedule this volume to be
> >> checked the next time the system restarts?" enter Y, then reboot
> >> your system.
>
> >> If the defrag still doesn't work (and you don't mind waiting a long
> >> time for your system to reboot), you could try a more thorough scan:
>
> >> CHKDSK /R C:
>
> >> Both of these commands will write a report into the Application
> >> event log, with a source of Winlogon. Don't worry about the hundreds
> >> of "minor inconsistencies" that will be reported they're normal.
>
> >> Good luck!
>
> >> "Mike" wrote:
> >>> Hi
>
> >>> I've defraged C hard-disk.
> >>> Then I found the disk still contains some discontinuity.
> >>> So I analyze it and it suggests defrag again.
> >>> I've repeatedly analyzed and defrag many times.
> >>> Why?
>
> >>> Thank you in advance.
>
> >>> Mike- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > I've checked that in C disk I still have 69% available space.
> > I've checked the report saying the extent of variation of files is
> > always 22%, when repeated defragmentations have been performed.
>
> > Mike- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Thank you for your help.
The content of the report is in Traditional-Chinese font.

Mike
 
OK Mike that would floor me <G>.


~~~~


Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Mike wrote:
> On Jun 7, 9:50 am, "Gerry" <ge...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> Mike
>>
>> Why don't you post a copy of your Disk Deframenter report complete
>> with the Most Fragmented List as I suggested earlier?
>>
>> --
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> Gerry
>> ~~~~
>> FCA
>> Stourport, England
>> Enquire, plan and execute
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike wrote:
>>> On Jun 7, 3:25 am, jjjdavidson
>>> <jjjdavid...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>>> There's good advice in the other posts, but file system errors can
>>>> cause a Windows defrag to quit before it's really finished. Check
>>>> your drive for errors. In a command window, type:
>>
>>>> CHKDSK /F C:
>>
>>>> When it prompts "Would you like to schedule this volume to be
>>>> checked the next time the system restarts?" enter Y, then reboot
>>>> your system.
>>
>>>> If the defrag still doesn't work (and you don't mind waiting a long
>>>> time for your system to reboot), you could try a more thorough
>>>> scan:
>>
>>>> CHKDSK /R C:
>>
>>>> Both of these commands will write a report into the Application
>>>> event log, with a source of Winlogon. Don't worry about the
>>>> hundreds of "minor inconsistencies" that will be reported they're
>>>> normal.
>>
>>>> Good luck!
>>
>>>> "Mike" wrote:
>>>>> Hi
>>
>>>>> I've defraged C hard-disk.
>>>>> Then I found the disk still contains some discontinuity.
>>>>> So I analyze it and it suggests defrag again.
>>>>> I've repeatedly analyzed and defrag many times.
>>>>> Why?
>>
>>>>> Thank you in advance.
>>
>>>>> Mike- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>>> I've checked that in C disk I still have 69% available space.
>>> I've checked the report saying the extent of variation of files is
>>> always 22%, when repeated defragmentations have been performed.
>>
>>> Mike- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Thank you for your help.
> The content of the report is in Traditional-Chinese font.
>
> Mike
 
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