Repair does not work when replacing MotherBoard

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Bill Simard

I tried using the repair option and it gives the BSOD. then reboots.

I can do a clean install, but that will wipe out all my programs.

Why won't the repair work ? I have tried this serveral times over the years
and it never works. It always crashes.

The motherboard has different chipsets, but isn't there a way to get XP to
go around this problem ?

Any advice is appriciated

Thanks

Bill
 
Personally I've never had a problem using the repair installation option,
and installing the new mobo drivers when requested.
http://michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm


"Bill Simard" <BillSimard@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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>I tried using the repair option and it gives the BSOD. then reboots.
>
> I can do a clean install, but that will wipe out all my programs.
>
> Why won't the repair work ? I have tried this serveral times over the
> years
> and it never works. It always crashes.
>
> The motherboard has different chipsets, but isn't there a way to get XP to
> go around this problem ?
>
> Any advice is appriciated
>
> Thanks
>
> Bill
>
 
Nor have I had a problem. I wonder if Bill, the OP, is using the repair
console and not repair/install?

"DL" <address@invalid> wrote in message
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> Personally I've never had a problem using the repair installation option,
> and installing the new mobo drivers when requested.
> http://michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm
>
>
> "Bill Simard" <BillSimard@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:E9DEBF38-6DD3-4D3A-8F19-013320B67270@microsoft.com...
>>I tried using the repair option and it gives the BSOD. then reboots.
>>
>> I can do a clean install, but that will wipe out all my programs.
>>
>> Why won't the repair work ? I have tried this serveral times over the
>> years
>> and it never works. It always crashes.
>>
>> The motherboard has different chipsets, but isn't there a way to get XP
>> to
>> go around this problem ?
>>
>> Any advice is appriciated
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Bill
>>
>
>
 
Aren't some software bundles booby-trapped so that they will only
install on the original motherboard?

Is this part of a software bundle?
 
Bill Simard wrote:
> I tried using the repair option and it gives the BSOD. then reboots.
>
> I can do a clean install, but that will wipe out all my programs.
>
> Why won't the repair work ? I have tried this serveral times over the years
> and it never works. It always crashes.
>
> The motherboard has different chipsets, but isn't there a way to get XP to
> go around this problem ?
>
> Any advice is appriciated
>
> Thanks
>
> Bill
>


It sounds like you're using the wrong "Repair" option, and entering the
Recovery Console. What you need to do is perform a repair installation,
instead.

Normally, and assuming a retail license (many factory-installed OEM
installations are BIOS-locked to a specific motherboard chipset and
therefore are *not* transferable to a new motherboard - check yours
before starting), unless the new motherboard is virtually identical
(same chipset, same IDE controllers, same BIOS version, etc.) to the one
on which the WinXP installation was originally performed, you'll need to
perform a repair (a.k.a. in-place upgrade) installation, at the very least:

How to Perform an In-Place Upgrade of Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/directory/article.asp?ID=KBEN-USQ315341

Changing a Motherboard or Moving a Hard Drive with WinXP Installed
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/moving_xp.html

The "why" is quite simple, really, and has nothing to do with
licensing issues, per se it's a purely technical matter, at this point.
You've pulled the proverbial hardware rug out from under the OS. (If
you don't like -- or get -- the rug analogy, think of it as picking up a
Cape Cod style home and then setting it down onto a Ranch style
foundation. It just isn't going to fit.) WinXP, like Win2K before it,
is not nearly as "promiscuous" as Win9x when it comes to accepting any
old hardware configuration you throw at it. On installation it
"tailors" itself to the specific hardware found. This is one of the
reasons that the entire WinNT/2K/XP OS family is so much more stable
than the Win9x group.

As always when undertaking such a significant change, back up any
important data before starting.

This will also probably require re-activation, unless you have a
Volume Licensed version of WinXP Pro installed. If it's been more than
120 days since you last activated that specific Product Key, you'll most
likely be able to activate via the Internet without problem. If it's
been less, you might have to make a 5 minute phone call.


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ShadowTek wrote:
> Aren't some software bundles booby-trapped so that they will only
> install on the original motherboard?
>

Many OEM do BIOS-lock their installation/Recovery disks so that they'll
work only on the hardware for which they were designed, yes.


> Is this part of a software bundle?

Do you mean OEM license? "Software bundle" is meaningless in this context.


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Bruce Chambers

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safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot
 
On Jun 7, 11:30 am, Bruce Chambers <bchamb...@cable0ne.n3t> wrote:

> Do you mean OEM license? "Software bundle" is meaningless in this context.

Well, if you have one, then you are also going to have to install all
"their crap" along with Windows. I use the term "software bundle" to
refer to the fact that you aren't just installing Windows when you do
a so-called clean install of the OEM's OS.
 
On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 10:42:00 -0700 (PDT), ShadowTek
<psistormyamato@cs.com> wrote:

> On Jun 7, 11:30 am, Bruce Chambers <bchamb...@cable0ne.n3t> wrote:
>
> > Do you mean OEM license? "Software bundle" is meaningless in this context.
>
> Well, if you have one, then you are also going to have to install all
> "their crap" along with Windows. I use the term "software bundle" to
> refer to the fact that you aren't just installing Windows when you do
> a so-called clean install of the OEM's OS.



That's not necessarily true. It depends, first of all, on whether you
have a generic OEM copy or a specific OEM's CD. A generic OEM copy has
identical software to what's on a retail version--no more and no less.
With specific OEM CDs, these generally *do* come with additional
software, some of which (but not necessarily all) *may* be crap. Even
there, though, I'm not sure that *every* OEM bundles others products
with their CDs.


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On Jun 7, 3:48 pm, "Ken Blake, MVP" <kbl...@this.is.an.invalid.domain>
wrote:
> With specific OEM CDs, these generally *do* come with additional
> software, some of which (but not necessarily all) *may* be crap. Even
> there, though, I'm not sure that *every* OEM bundles others products
> with their CDs.

Every OEM OS that I have ever owned is chocked full of junk, lots of
advertisement-like nonsense spammed all over the drive, url links to
places where they want you to buy stuff, trail versions of buggy apps
that want your money for the full version.

Of course they have incentive to do it, since there's money to be
made.

There may be some "mostly just Windows" OEMs out there, but I've never
seen any.

Of course, I'm no "Microsoft MVP". I'm just relating my end user
experiences.
 
=?Utf-8?B?QmlsbCBTaW1hcmQ=?= wrote:
>
> I tried using the repair option and it gives the BSOD. then reboots.

Only works about half the time from my experience. In other words, it's
not guaranteed.

--
http://www.bootdisk.com/
 
ShadowTek, be a little more respectful: you are not a good representative of
the end user community.

In my (fairly extensive) experience Dell OEM operating system CDs come with
NO additional software above the Microsoft retail stuff, not even the Dell
utilities that on a Dell factory-install are present to identify the serial
number of the PC, nor the Dell support apps, etc.

What you are spouting about are RECOVERY CDs normally provided by other big
company OEMs. These are copies of the recovery partitions that also reinstall
all the junk.



"ShadowTek" wrote:

> On Jun 7, 3:48 pm, "Ken Blake, MVP" <kbl...@this.is.an.invalid.domain>
> wrote:
> > With specific OEM CDs, these generally *do* come with additional
> > software, some of which (but not necessarily all) *may* be crap. Even
> > there, though, I'm not sure that *every* OEM bundles others products
> > with their CDs.
>
> Every OEM OS that I have ever owned is chocked full of junk, lots of
> advertisement-like nonsense spammed all over the drive, url links to
> places where they want you to buy stuff, trail versions of buggy apps
> that want your money for the full version.
>
> Of course they have incentive to do it, since there's money to be
> made.
>
> There may be some "mostly just Windows" OEMs out there, but I've never
> seen any.
>
> Of course, I'm no "Microsoft MVP". I'm just relating my end user
> experiences.
>
 
On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 16:57:33 -0700 (PDT), ShadowTek
<psistormyamato@cs.com> wrote:

> On Jun 7, 3:48 pm, "Ken Blake, MVP" <kbl...@this.is.an.invalid.domain>
> wrote:
> > With specific OEM CDs, these generally *do* come with additional
> > software, some of which (but not necessarily all) *may* be crap. Even
> > there, though, I'm not sure that *every* OEM bundles others products
> > with their CDs.
>
> Every OEM OS that I have ever owned is chocked full of junk, lots of
> advertisement-like nonsense spammed all over the drive, url links to
> places where they want you to buy stuff, trail versions of buggy apps
> that want your money for the full version.
>
> Of course they have incentive to do it, since there's money to be
> made.


Yes, and as I said, most, if not all, of the big OEMs do this. I'm
just not willing to say that *every* OEM does this, since I haven't
seen CDs from every one of them.

Moreover, as I said, not every piece of software that comes with a
computer from a big OEM is crap. For example, Dell computers
optionally come with Microsoft Office, Microsoft Works, and/or Adobe
Elements, and these are not trial versions.


> There may be some "mostly just Windows" OEMs out there, but I've never
> seen any.


Not "mostly just Windows," but complete generic OEM CDs. As I said
before, these contain exactly the same software as retail versions,
with *nothing* added.

These are *widely* available, for example, at
http://www.nextag.com/Microsoft-Windows-XP-Home-78036798/prices-html


>
> Of course, I'm no "Microsoft MVP". I'm just relating my end user
> experiences.

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Repair did not work

As a final note to this, I tried the repair option, not the repair console.

It did not work with the new motherboard. I tried putting the old MB in and
booting, but it crashed. I tried repairing with the original MB, but could
only get in using safe mode. Normal boot up gave this error:

STOP: C000021a (fatal system error) 0xc0000005 Windows Subsystem Process
Terminated Unexpectedly ( 0x7c9106c3 0x06f6ed04 )

I looked for a reference to this error for hours. No exact reference found.
The stop: ...21a error mostly talked about NT4.

So I wound up doing what I did not want to do in the first place, doing a
clean install.

To add insult to injury, I tried to activate the XP and it tells me I can't
activate it because it already was activated and asks for 149.00 dollars.

THANKS MS. This is what happens every single time I have ever tried
replacing the MB. Why does it do this ? And what the hell is up with their
activation system not taking a valid key ?

MS: The next OS you make, put at the top of the white board: Make OS
accept MB replacements. Since you need to replace them every year this
should be critical.

And PLEASE stop with all the security. Now I see why so many people bypass
the authentication and fore go getting any updates.

For the user that never adds or replaces anything, XP is fine, but God help
the poor people that need to replace anything. It's a mine field. Not as
bad as VISTA, but still bad enough to make me wish there was somehting else.

Bill

P.S. The links in my e-mail to read the replies don't open, it just gives
me a blank white microsoft page. Any idea why that is ?
 
Re: Repair did not work

Bill Simard wrote:
>
>
>
> For the user that never adds or replaces anything, XP is fine, but God help
> the poor people that need to replace anything. It's a mine field. Not as
> bad as VISTA, but still bad enough to make me wish there was somehting else.
>
> Bill
>
> P.S. The links in my e-mail to read the replies don't open, it just gives
> me a blank white microsoft page. Any idea why that is ?
>
If you can read this: WINDOWS is not the only OS out there.
 
On Jun 8, 6:07 am, PMC <pmchefalo-spamf...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> ShadowTek, be a little more respectful: you are not a good representative of
> the end user community.

I never claimed to be a representative of anyone else.

Are you suggesting that I am disrespectful if I speak my mind and
relate my personal experiences with this issue?


> In my (fairly extensive) experience Dell OEM operating system CDs come with
> NO additional software above the Microsoft retail stuff, not even the Dell
> utilities that on a Dell factory-install are present to identify the serial
> number of the PC, nor the Dell support apps, etc.

Dell, Dell, Dell isn't the only manufacturer on the market. If they
refrain from stuffing there software distributions with junk, then
good for them. I have never owned a Dell, so I can't comment on the
nature of their software. The way you describe it, it sounds like I
would be pleased with one of their PCs. At least, as far as their
software is concerned.


> What you are spouting about are RECOVERY CDs normally provided by other big
> company OEMs. These are copies of the recovery partitions that also reinstall
> all the junk.

What I am "spouting" about these software bundles is that which is
included with the system from the very first say you buy it. And yes,
if you every restore the software then you will also be installing all
the "junk" along with it.

I don't understand why you are being so defensive about my comment on
my personal experiences. If you have eternal love for all things OEM,
then good for you. But that doesn't mean that everyone in the world is
being "disrespectful" if they dare to disagree with you.
 
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