Re: Will Linux EVER hit 1 percent????

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John O. Kopf

Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
> Linux has been around for 15+ years.
> Linux is free.
> Linux applications are free.
>
> So, the question is why is Linux still sitting at below 1 percent of the
> desktop market?
>
> Something that is free is used by so little of the population?
> SNIP
>
> Unfortunately the numbers speak for themselves and the numbers say, Linux
> is a stinker.....
>
> Thanks to Kman for doing the research and posting the original thread..
>
>

Unfortunately, Ubunto/Linux is an OS for people already familiar with
Ubunto/Linux and there are few places where one can become familiar
with it.

FOR EXAMPLE: You have a file you want to write on a PC You open the My
"Computer Icon", find the "3½ Floppy" icon, and drag/drop the file onto it.

In Linux, you're asked to MOUNT the floppy - What is "MOUNT"? When
you're done, you have to UNMOUNT it. These are inherited from the
multi-user UNIX environment. Meaning is not obvious to the newcomer.

John Kopf
 
In article <IBSck.105414$102.33461@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, "John O. Kopf" <kopfj@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>> Linux has been around for 15+ years.
>> Linux is free.
>> Linux applications are free.
>>
>> So, the question is why is Linux still sitting at below 1 percent of the
>> desktop market?
>> Something that is free is used by so little of the population?
>> SNIP
>> Unfortunately the numbers speak for themselves and the numbers say, Linux
>> is a stinker.....
>> Thanks to Kman for doing the research and posting the original thread..
>Unfortunately, Ubunto/Linux is an OS for people already familiar with
>Ubunto/Linux and there are few places where one can become familiar
>with it.
>
>FOR EXAMPLE: You have a file you want to write on a PC You open the My
>"Computer Icon", find the "3½ Floppy" icon, and drag/drop the file onto it.
>
>In Linux, you're asked to MOUNT the floppy - What is "MOUNT"? When
>you're done, you have to UNMOUNT it. These are inherited from the
>multi-user UNIX environment. Meaning is not obvious to the newcomer.

Right. You obviously haven't ever used linux then ... at least not recently.
In kubuntu 7.10, I can drag the file from the current directory to the
floppy, no worries. Like any removeable media, I then have to 'safely
remove' it. Please ... talk about similar versions of s/w if you want to
compare. Of course, if you are only trolling (as looks likely) then please
say now so I can bin you with the other idiots. :)
... besides ... what's a floppy ? :) :)
 
In article <IBSck.105414$102.33461@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
John O. Kopf <kopfj@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>In Linux, you're asked to MOUNT the floppy - What is "MOUNT"? When

Oh, horseshit. (Trollshit? Anyway...) Every Linux since 2001
runs a volume manager when the graphical desktop is up. Damned things
are in the way, but if you can't handle a mount command then they'll
make it all work just like Windows.

Geeez. I'm responding to trolls. Is there a doctor in the house?
 
John O. Kopf wrote:
> Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>> Linux has been around for 15+ years.
>> Linux is free.
>> Linux applications are free.
>>
>> So, the question is why is Linux still sitting at below 1 percent of the
>> desktop market?
>>
>> Something that is free is used by so little of the population?
>> SNIP
>>
>> Unfortunately the numbers speak for themselves and the numbers say, Linux
>> is a stinker.....
>>
>> Thanks to Kman for doing the research and posting the original thread..
>>
>>
>
> Unfortunately, Ubunto/Linux is an OS for people already familiar with
> Ubunto/Linux and there are few places where one can become familiar
> with it.
>
> FOR EXAMPLE: You have a file you want to write on a PC You open the My
> "Computer Icon", find the "3½ Floppy" icon, and drag/drop the file onto it.
>
> In Linux, you're asked to MOUNT the floppy - What is "MOUNT"? When
> you're done, you have to UNMOUNT it. These are inherited from the
> multi-user UNIX environment. Meaning is not obvious to the newcomer.
>
> John Kopf


Boy are you incredibly stupid. Get your Mom to sign you up for the
teletubbies newsgroup.
 
On Tue, 08 Jul 2008 20:09:44 -0500, Charlie Tame wrote:

> John O. Kopf wrote:
>> Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>> Linux has been around for 15+ years.
>>> Linux is free.
>>> Linux applications are free.
>>>
>>> So, the question is why is Linux still sitting at below 1 percent of the
>>> desktop market?
>>>
>>> Something that is free is used by so little of the population?
>>> SNIP
>>>
>>> Unfortunately the numbers speak for themselves and the numbers say, Linux
>>> is a stinker.....
>>>
>>> Thanks to Kman for doing the research and posting the original thread..
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Unfortunately, Ubunto/Linux is an OS for people already familiar with
>> Ubunto/Linux and there are few places where one can become familiar
>> with it.
>>
>> FOR EXAMPLE: You have a file you want to write on a PC You open the My
>> "Computer Icon", find the "3½ Floppy" icon, and drag/drop the file onto it.
>>
>> In Linux, you're asked to MOUNT the floppy - What is "MOUNT"? When
>> you're done, you have to UNMOUNT it. These are inherited from the
>> multi-user UNIX environment. Meaning is not obvious to the newcomer.
>>
>> John Kopf
>
>
> Boy are you incredibly stupid. Get your Mom to sign you up for the
> teletubbies newsgroup.

Is that another Linux distribution?

Teletubby Linux?

Wow, have we hit 1000 different versions of Linux yet?

Hey, screw the fragmentation and confusion, it's all about choice!!!

Go Linux!!

You GO Girl!!!!!



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"Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_n_straw@gmail.com> stated in post
1h9uwgq999vza$.1tyxyay4wjkmj.dlg@40tude.net on 7/8/08 6:19 PM:

>> Boy are you incredibly stupid. Get your Mom to sign you up for the
>> teletubbies newsgroup.
>
> Is that another Linux distribution?
>
> Teletubby Linux?
>
> Wow, have we hit 1000 different versions of Linux yet?
>
> Hey, screw the fragmentation and confusion, it's all about choice!!!
>
> Go Linux!!
>
> You GO Girl!!!!!

What I find amusing is how they are all grouped as "Linux" when convenient
but then talked about as different OSs based on Linux when that makes things
look better.



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* John O. Kopf peremptorily fired off this memo:

> Unfortunately, Ubunto/Linux is an OS for people already familiar with
> Ubunto/Linux and there are few places where one can become familiar
> with it.
>
> FOR EXAMPLE: You have a file you want to write on a PC You open the My
> "Computer Icon", find the "3½ Floppy" icon, and drag/drop the file onto it.
>
> In Linux, you're asked to MOUNT the floppy - What is "MOUNT"? When
> you're done, you have to UNMOUNT it. These are inherited from the
> multi-user UNIX environment. Meaning is not obvious to the newcomer.

The 1990's is calling you. They want their FUD back.

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsbFlashDrives

Mounting your USB drive

Generally all you need to do to use your storage device is to plug it
into a USB port. The device should be automatically recognised and
appear on your GNOME desktop.

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One reason why it's not at 1%. No one is writing major apps for it. I for
one do not like open source apps, at present that's all that seems
available. I put Linux in the same boat as OS-2, there was no interest in it
plus no one wrote apps for it.

--

Bob Eyster
MS Windows Vista Home Premium



"John O. Kopf" <kopfj@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:IBSck.105414$102.33461@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>> Linux has been around for 15+ years.
>> Linux is free.
>> Linux applications are free.
>>
>> So, the question is why is Linux still sitting at below 1 percent of the
>> desktop market?
>>
>> Something that is free is used by so little of the population?
>> SNIP
>>
>> Unfortunately the numbers speak for themselves and the numbers say, Linux
>> is a stinker.....
>>
>> Thanks to Kman for doing the research and posting the original thread..
>>
>>
>
> Unfortunately, Ubunto/Linux is an OS for people already familiar with
> Ubunto/Linux and there are few places where one can become familiar with
> it.
>
> FOR EXAMPLE: You have a file you want to write on a PC You open the My
> "Computer Icon", find the "3½ Floppy" icon, and drag/drop the file onto
> it.
>
> In Linux, you're asked to MOUNT the floppy - What is "MOUNT"? When you're
> done, you have to UNMOUNT it. These are inherited from the multi-user
> UNIX environment. Meaning is not obvious to the newcomer.
>
> John Kopf
 
On Tue, 08 Jul 2008 18:27:11 -0700, Snit wrote:

> "Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_n_straw@gmail.com> stated in post
> 1h9uwgq999vza$.1tyxyay4wjkmj.dlg@40tude.net on 7/8/08 6:19 PM:
>
>>> Boy are you incredibly stupid. Get your Mom to sign you up for the
>>> teletubbies newsgroup.
>>
>> Is that another Linux distribution?
>>
>> Teletubby Linux?
>>
>> Wow, have we hit 1000 different versions of Linux yet?
>>
>> Hey, screw the fragmentation and confusion, it's all about choice!!!
>>
>> Go Linux!!
>>
>> You GO Girl!!!!!
>
> What I find amusing is how they are all grouped as "Linux" when convenient
> but then talked about as different OSs based on Linux when that makes things
> look better.

It is the same thing as:

Linux is the kernel.
Linux is not the kernel

Depending upon what fits the Linux loons argument at any given time.

Like DFS says, they talk out of both sides of their mouth.
Total hypocrites the Linux advocates are.


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Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
 
On Tue, 08 Jul 2008 23:19:04 +0000, John O. Kopf wrote:


> In Linux, you're asked to MOUNT the floppy - What is "MOUNT"? When
> you're done, you have to UNMOUNT it. These are inherited from the
> multi-user UNIX environment. Meaning is not obvious to the newcomer.


Who uses floppy drives anymore?


-Thufir
 
On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 10:00:02 -0400, Bob Eyster wrote:

> One reason why it's not at 1%. No one is writing major apps for it. I for
> one do not like open source apps, at present that's all that seems
> available. I put Linux in the same boat as OS-2, there was no interest in it
> plus no one wrote apps for it.

That's part of the problem for sure.

People just don't like Linux when they try it.
It's like trying to fit a square peg (Linux) in a round hole (Windows).

(Now don't get all excited High Plains Thumper and Marti)



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Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
 
"Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_n_straw@gmail.com> stated in post
oev8dsb8ho2d.1xrja943sa4iw$.dlg@40tude.net on 7/9/08 7:03 AM:

> On Tue, 08 Jul 2008 18:27:11 -0700, Snit wrote:
>
>> "Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_n_straw@gmail.com> stated in post
>> 1h9uwgq999vza$.1tyxyay4wjkmj.dlg@40tude.net on 7/8/08 6:19 PM:
>>
>>>> Boy are you incredibly stupid. Get your Mom to sign you up for the
>>>> teletubbies newsgroup.
>>>
>>> Is that another Linux distribution?
>>>
>>> Teletubby Linux?
>>>
>>> Wow, have we hit 1000 different versions of Linux yet?
>>>
>>> Hey, screw the fragmentation and confusion, it's all about choice!!!
>>>
>>> Go Linux!!
>>>
>>> You GO Girl!!!!!
>>
>> What I find amusing is how they are all grouped as "Linux" when convenient
>> but then talked about as different OSs based on Linux when that makes things
>> look better.
>
> It is the same thing as:
>
> Linux is the kernel.
> Linux is not the kernel
>
> Depending upon what fits the Linux loons argument at any given time.
>
> Like DFS says, they talk out of both sides of their mouth.
> Total hypocrites the Linux advocates are.
>
Well, the trolling "advocates". I am a Linux Advocate... I hand out Ubuntu
CDs, I encourage people to try it, I expose people to it. I just do not lie
about it nor do I feign ignorance or target people's personal and business
life when I lose Usenet debates and otherwise play silly games.

Those who do such things are the trolls of COLA... *not* the advocates.


--
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On 2008-07-08, John O. Kopf <kopfj@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>> Linux has been around for 15+ years.
>> Linux is free.
>> Linux applications are free.
>>
>> So, the question is why is Linux still sitting at below 1 percent of the
>> desktop market?
>>
>> Something that is free is used by so little of the population?
>> SNIP
>>
>> Unfortunately the numbers speak for themselves and the numbers say, Linux
>> is a stinker.....
>>
>> Thanks to Kman for doing the research and posting the original thread..
>>
>>
>
> Unfortunately, Ubunto/Linux is an OS for people already familiar with
> Ubunto/Linux and there are few places where one can become familiar
> with it.
>
> FOR EXAMPLE: You have a file you want to write on a PC You open the My
> "Computer Icon", find the "3½ Floppy" icon, and drag/drop the file onto it.

Nope.

In Linux, modern Linux that is, you see a desktop icon appear when a new
disk is detected. It mounts itself. If you like, you can hunt it down
in the Linux equivalent of the "My Computer" which from the main desktop
menu is Places->Computer.

[deletia]

Even Solaris back in the depths of time had an automounter...

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On Wed, 09 Jul 2008 10:00:02 -0400, Bob Eyster wrote:

> One reason why it's not at 1%. No one is writing major apps for it. I
> for one do not like open source apps, at present that's all that seems
> available. I put Linux in the same boat as OS-2, there was no interest
> in it plus no one wrote apps for it.

For a counter-example showing proprietary software running on Linux:

http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/choose/



Yup, lotsa software is FOSS -- firefox being the epitome (after Linux/GNU
itself) but not all software for Linux is FOSS.



-Thufir
 
In article <crbdk.107774$102.98607@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, "John O. Kopf" <kopfj@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>the wharf rat wrote:
> > In article <IBSck.105414$102.33461@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> > John O. Kopf <kopfj@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> >> In Linux, you're asked to MOUNT the floppy - What is "MOUNT"? When
> >
> > Oh, horseshit. (Trollshit? Anyway...) Every Linux since 2001
> > runs a volume manager when the graphical desktop is up. Damned things
> > are in the way, but if you can't handle a mount command then they'll
> > make it all work just like Windows.
> >
> > Geeez. I'm responding to trolls. Is there a doctor in the house?
>My point is that the casual user inflicted with a mount insistence has
>NO idea where to turn to determine what to do next. What does the
>"volume manager" look like? Which icon brings it up?
>
>You snipped out my main point:
>
>"Unfortunately, Ubunto/Linux is an OS for people already familiar with
>Ubunto/Linux and there are few places where one can become familiar
>with it."

... possibly because your "main point", while not new, is still wrong :)
 
On 2008-07-09, John O. Kopf <kopfj@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> the wharf rat wrote:
> > In article <IBSck.105414$102.33461@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> > John O. Kopf <kopfj@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> >> In Linux, you're asked to MOUNT the floppy - What is "MOUNT"? When
> >
> > Oh, horseshit. (Trollshit? Anyway...) Every Linux since 2001
> > runs a volume manager when the graphical desktop is up. Damned things
> > are in the way, but if you can't handle a mount command then they'll
> > make it all work just like Windows.
> >
> > Geeez. I'm responding to trolls. Is there a doctor in the house?
> >
>
>
> My point is that the casual user inflicted with a mount insistence has

Is this a criticism of Windows or Linux?

You could apply the same criticism equally on either platform.

> NO idea where to turn to determine what to do next. What does the
> "volume manager" look like? Which icon brings it up?
>
> You snipped out my main point:
>
> "Unfortunately, Ubunto/Linux is an OS for people already familiar with
> Ubunto/Linux and there are few places where one can become familiar
> with it."

s/ubuntu/vista/g

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John O. Kopf <kopfj@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> My point is that the casual user inflicted with a mount insistence has
> NO idea where to turn to determine what to do next. What does the
> "volume manager" look like? Which icon brings it up?

It doesn't "look like" anything.
IT brings up the icons that represent the media that's inserted.
Put a CD in, and a CD icon appears on the desktop.
Put a memory stick in, and a hard disk icon appears on the desktop.
Put a memory card in, and a memory card icon appears on the desktop

It may also pop up the file browser or (in the case of a digital camera
or digicam memory card) a graphics viewer.

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Damian <nospam@rabid-dog.net> wrote:
> With such a tiny installed linux base, makes you wonder how long any of them
> will remain on the market. You can't stay in business long even if all 7
> linux users buy it.

Idiot.
Oh, hang on, that's Peter's line... Sorry Peter.
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John O. Kopf wrote:
> the wharf rat wrote:
> > In article <IBSck.105414$102.33461@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> > John O. Kopf <kopfj@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> >> In Linux, you're asked to MOUNT the floppy - What is "MOUNT"? When
> >
> > Oh, horseshit. (Trollshit? Anyway...) Every Linux since 2001
> > runs a volume manager when the graphical desktop is up. Damned things
> > are in the way, but if you can't handle a mount command then they'll
> > make it all work just like Windows.
> >
> > Geeez. I'm responding to trolls. Is there a doctor in the house?
> >
>
>
> My point is that the casual user inflicted with a mount insistence has
> NO idea where to turn to determine what to do next. What does the
> "volume manager" look like? Which icon brings it up?
>
> You snipped out my main point:
>
> "Unfortunately, Ubunto/Linux is an OS for people already familiar with
> Ubunto/Linux and there are few places where one can become familiar
> with it."
>
> John Kopf



I'm sorry but that was a stupid statement. How do you get familiar with
Linux in the first place? Maybe some are born with the knowledge?
caver1
 
"Damian" <nospam@rabid-dog.net> wrote in
news:g53fq5$pp1$1@news.tornevall.net:

> DanS wrote:
>> "Bob Eyster" <reyster1@comcast.net> wrote in
>> news:#6a5awc4IHA.3396@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:
>>
>>> One reason why it's not at 1%. No one is writing major apps for it.
>>> I for one do not like open source apps, at present that's all that
>>> seems available. I put Linux in the same boat as OS-2, there was no
>>> interest in it plus no one wrote apps for it.
>>
>> Here's the problem.....for some reason, many people think that just
>> because many Linux flavours are free (some aren't), that the only
>> available s/w is free OSS. This is not the case. Here's a short list
>> of commercial Linux apps, and a few larger players are
>> represented......
>>
>> AccRev Enterprise v4.5.4
>> Active State Komodo IDE v4.0.1
>> AdventNet ManageEngine PasswordManager Pro v4.8
>> AdventNet ManageEngine ServiceDesk Enterprise Plus v7.0

<SNIP>

>> Xilinx ChipScope Pro v9.2i x64
>> Xilinx ChipScope Pro v9.2i x86
>> Xilinx PlanAhead v9.2.7
>>
>> I'd also like to add RealBASIC 2007 to the list also. The 'Lite'
>> version is free. But no the 'Pro' version. Additionally, in the 'Pro'
>> version, if you stick with intrinsic functions and subs, the same
>> source code can be used to compile for Windows, MAC, and Linux, with
>> very little change.
>
>
> With such a tiny installed linux base, makes you wonder how long any
> of them will remain on the market.

Only time will tell.
 
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