Re: Wal-Mart Ends Test of Linux in Stores

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Moshe Goldfarb

On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:32:58 -0500, DFS wrote:

> Andy wrote:
>> http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hVyPFIJPx8NKAzElk21Isx-zQxvgD8VAQTSG0
>>
>>
>>
>> NEW YORK (AP) — Computers that run the Linux operating system instead
>> of Microsoft Corp.'s Windows didn't attract enough attention from
>> Wal-Mart customers, and the chain has stopped selling them in stores,
>> a spokeswoman said Monday.
>>
>> "This really wasn't what our customers were looking for," said
>> Wal-Mart Stores Inc. spokeswoman Melissa O'Brien.
>>
>> To test demand for systems with the open-source operating system,
>> Wal-Mart stocked the $199 "Green gPC," made by Everex of Taiwan, in
>> about 600 stores starting late in October.
>>
>>
Click to expand...
>
>
> I smell MS bribery at work here, 'cause everyone really wants Linux (700
> cola "advocates" told me so).
>
> Wal-Mart should have displayed those bad-boy Linux machines running X-Moto
> on a 30" LCD.
> http://linux.softpedia.com/screenshots/X-Moto_2.jpg LMAO!!! Linux Format
> magazine Hot Pick!
>
> Then they could put a Vista machine next to it running BioShock on a measly
> 22" LCD.
> http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/bioshock/images.html
>
> Who could resist Linux then?

You sure know how to wound a Linux advocate when he is down DFS :)

They should have had 6 kernel compiles each in it's own CLI going
simultaneously on all sides of a rotating cube.

Now *THAT* is something average people might be interested in.

BTW Walmart dumping Linux was predicted by the Windows supporters from the
very first day Walmart announced it.

Kudos to Walmart though for trying the concept and being on the cutting
edge.

The truth is, average people are just not interested in Linux.


--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
 
Moshe Goldfarb wrote:

> On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:32:58 -0500, DFS wrote:
>
>> Andy wrote:
>>> http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hVyPFIJPx8NKAzElk21Isx-zQxvgD8VAQTSG0
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> NEW YORK (AP) — Computers that run the Linux operating system instead
>>> of Microsoft Corp.'s Windows didn't attract enough attention from
>>> Wal-Mart customers, and the chain has stopped selling them in stores,
>>> a spokeswoman said Monday.
>>>
>>> "This really wasn't what our customers were looking for," said
>>> Wal-Mart Stores Inc. spokeswoman Melissa O'Brien.
>>>
>>> To test demand for systems with the open-source operating system,
>>> Wal-Mart stocked the $199 "Green gPC," made by Everex of Taiwan, in
>>> about 600 stores starting late in October.
>>>
>>>
Click to expand...
>>
>>
>> I smell MS bribery at work here, 'cause everyone really wants Linux (700
>> cola "advocates" told me so).
>>
>> Wal-Mart should have displayed those bad-boy Linux machines running
>> X-Moto on a 30" LCD.
>> http://linux.softpedia.com/screenshots/X-Moto_2.jpg LMAO!!! Linux
>> Format magazine Hot Pick!
>>
>> Then they could put a Vista machine next to it running BioShock on a
>> measly 22" LCD.
>> http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/bioshock/images.html
>>
>> Who could resist Linux then?
>
> You sure know how to wound a Linux advocate when he is down DFS :)
>
> They should have had 6 kernel compiles each in it's own CLI going
> simultaneously on all sides of a rotating cube.
>
> Now *THAT* is something average people might be interested in.
>
> BTW Walmart dumping Linux was predicted by the Windows supporters from the
> very first day Walmart announced it.
>
> Kudos to Walmart though for trying the concept and being on the cutting
> edge.
>
> The truth is, average people are just not interested in Linux.
>
>
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"Moshe Goldfarb" <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:8eego801kukn.1fsou3lbfp0ar$.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:32:58 -0500, DFS wrote:
>
>> Andy wrote:
>>> http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hVyPFIJPx8NKAzElk21Isx-zQxvgD8VAQTSG0
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> NEW YORK (AP) - Computers that run the Linux operating system instead
>>> of Microsoft Corp.'s Windows didn't attract enough attention from
>>> Wal-Mart customers, and the chain has stopped selling them in stores,
>>> a spokeswoman said Monday.
>>>
>>> "This really wasn't what our customers were looking for," said
>>> Wal-Mart Stores Inc. spokeswoman Melissa O'Brien.
>>>
>>> To test demand for systems with the open-source operating system,
>>> Wal-Mart stocked the $199 "Green gPC," made by Everex of Taiwan, in
>>> about 600 stores starting late in October.
>>>
>>>
Click to expand...
>>
>>
>> I smell MS bribery at work here, 'cause everyone really wants Linux (700
>> cola "advocates" told me so).
>>
>> Wal-Mart should have displayed those bad-boy Linux machines running
>> X-Moto
>> on a 30" LCD.
>> http://linux.softpedia.com/screenshots/X-Moto_2.jpg LMAO!!! Linux
>> Format
>> magazine Hot Pick!
>>
>> Then they could put a Vista machine next to it running BioShock on a
>> measly
>> 22" LCD.
>> http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/bioshock/images.html
>>
>> Who could resist Linux then?
>
> You sure know how to wound a Linux advocate when he is down DFS :)
>
> They should have had 6 kernel compiles each in it's own CLI going
> simultaneously on all sides of a rotating cube.
>
> Now *THAT* is something average people might be interested in.
>
> BTW Walmart dumping Linux was predicted by the Windows supporters from the
> very first day Walmart announced it.
>
> Kudos to Walmart though for trying the concept and being on the cutting
> edge.
>
> The truth is, average people are just not interested in Linux.
>
Were interested but not in going back 15 years to the command prompt to type
in arcane lines of code! I tried Umbutu and after 3 evenings of cutting and
pasting from the forums I got wireless networking going. Then I discovered
that I couldn't play an MP3 but could play a DVD. Had to install a few
players to get a simple MP3 to play and have control of FF and the things
that Winamp does with ease. I couldn't set a play list or shuffle. Then I
tried to look at my other window machines to share files etc. WOW was that
fun mounting and un-mounting drives etc....enough back to windows and
clicking to get most things done!

My two cents, Rich
 
On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:17:42 -0500, Rich wrote:

> "Moshe Goldfarb" <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:8eego801kukn.1fsou3lbfp0ar$.dlg@40tude.net...
>> On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:32:58 -0500, DFS wrote:
>>
>>> Andy wrote:
>>>> http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hVyPFIJPx8NKAzElk21Isx-zQxvgD8VAQTSG0
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> NEW YORK (AP) - Computers that run the Linux operating system instead
>>>> of Microsoft Corp.'s Windows didn't attract enough attention from
>>>> Wal-Mart customers, and the chain has stopped selling them in stores,
>>>> a spokeswoman said Monday.
>>>>
>>>> "This really wasn't what our customers were looking for," said
>>>> Wal-Mart Stores Inc. spokeswoman Melissa O'Brien.
>>>>
>>>> To test demand for systems with the open-source operating system,
>>>> Wal-Mart stocked the $199 "Green gPC," made by Everex of Taiwan, in
>>>> about 600 stores starting late in October.
>>>>
>>>>
Click to expand...
>>>
>>>
>>> I smell MS bribery at work here, 'cause everyone really wants Linux (700
>>> cola "advocates" told me so).
>>>
>>> Wal-Mart should have displayed those bad-boy Linux machines running
>>> X-Moto
>>> on a 30" LCD.
>>> http://linux.softpedia.com/screenshots/X-Moto_2.jpg LMAO!!! Linux
>>> Format
>>> magazine Hot Pick!
>>>
>>> Then they could put a Vista machine next to it running BioShock on a
>>> measly
>>> 22" LCD.
>>> http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/bioshock/images.html
>>>
>>> Who could resist Linux then?
>>
>> You sure know how to wound a Linux advocate when he is down DFS :)
>>
>> They should have had 6 kernel compiles each in it's own CLI going
>> simultaneously on all sides of a rotating cube.
>>
>> Now *THAT* is something average people might be interested in.
>>
>> BTW Walmart dumping Linux was predicted by the Windows supporters from the
>> very first day Walmart announced it.
>>
>> Kudos to Walmart though for trying the concept and being on the cutting
>> edge.
>>
>> The truth is, average people are just not interested in Linux.
>>
> Were interested but not in going back 15 years to the command prompt to type
> in arcane lines of code! I tried Umbutu and after 3 evenings of cutting and
> pasting from the forums I got wireless networking going. Then I discovered
> that I couldn't play an MP3 but could play a DVD. Had to install a few
> players to get a simple MP3 to play and have control of FF and the things
> that Winamp does with ease. I couldn't set a play list or shuffle. Then I
> tried to look at my other window machines to share files etc. WOW was that
> fun mounting and un-mounting drives etc....enough back to windows and
> clicking to get most things done!
>
> My two cents, Rich

Exactly the experience that many noobs to Linux encounter.

But if you go into the Linux groups they will call you an idiot for not
being able to make Linux work.

I think the proof is in the pudding and the fact that despite being free,
desktop Linux hovers below 1 percent of market share and has done so for
many years.

Even the BBC recently had it pegged a 0.8 percent.

Linux advocates need to stop the denial and start figuring out what is
wrong with Linux that is keeping it at so low a desktop market share.


--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
 
"Moshe Goldfarb" <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:oo6kv0n4s6bn.1a6m6d8l0vvwa$.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:17:42 -0500, Rich wrote:
>
>> "Moshe Goldfarb" <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:8eego801kukn.1fsou3lbfp0ar$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>> On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:32:58 -0500, DFS wrote:
>>>
>>>> Andy wrote:
>>>>> http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hVyPFIJPx8NKAzElk21Isx-zQxvgD8VAQTSG0
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> NEW YORK (AP) - Computers that run the Linux operating system instead
>>>>> of Microsoft Corp.'s Windows didn't attract enough attention from
>>>>> Wal-Mart customers, and the chain has stopped selling them in stores,
>>>>> a spokeswoman said Monday.
>>>>>
>>>>> "This really wasn't what our customers were looking for," said
>>>>> Wal-Mart Stores Inc. spokeswoman Melissa O'Brien.
>>>>>
>>>>> To test demand for systems with the open-source operating system,
>>>>> Wal-Mart stocked the $199 "Green gPC," made by Everex of Taiwan, in
>>>>> about 600 stores starting late in October.
>>>>>
>>>>>
Click to expand...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I smell MS bribery at work here, 'cause everyone really wants Linux
>>>> (700
>>>> cola "advocates" told me so).
>>>>
>>>> Wal-Mart should have displayed those bad-boy Linux machines running
>>>> X-Moto
>>>> on a 30" LCD.
>>>> http://linux.softpedia.com/screenshots/X-Moto_2.jpg LMAO!!! Linux
>>>> Format
>>>> magazine Hot Pick!
>>>>
>>>> Then they could put a Vista machine next to it running BioShock on a
>>>> measly
>>>> 22" LCD.
>>>> http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/bioshock/images.html
>>>>
>>>> Who could resist Linux then?
>>>
>>> You sure know how to wound a Linux advocate when he is down DFS :)
>>>
>>> They should have had 6 kernel compiles each in it's own CLI going
>>> simultaneously on all sides of a rotating cube.
>>>
>>> Now *THAT* is something average people might be interested in.
>>>
>>> BTW Walmart dumping Linux was predicted by the Windows supporters from
>>> the
>>> very first day Walmart announced it.
>>>
>>> Kudos to Walmart though for trying the concept and being on the cutting
>>> edge.
>>>
>>> The truth is, average people are just not interested in Linux.
>>>
>> Were interested but not in going back 15 years to the command prompt to
>> type
>> in arcane lines of code! I tried Umbutu and after 3 evenings of cutting
>> and
>> pasting from the forums I got wireless networking going. Then I
>> discovered
>> that I couldn't play an MP3 but could play a DVD. Had to install a few
>> players to get a simple MP3 to play and have control of FF and the things
>> that Winamp does with ease. I couldn't set a play list or shuffle. Then I
>> tried to look at my other window machines to share files etc. WOW was
>> that
>> fun mounting and un-mounting drives etc....enough back to windows and
>> clicking to get most things done!
>>
>> My two cents, Rich
>
> Exactly the experience that many noobs to Linux encounter.
>
> But if you go into the Linux groups they will call you an idiot for not
> being able to make Linux work.
>
> I think the proof is in the pudding and the fact that despite being free,
> desktop Linux hovers below 1 percent of market share and has done so for
> many years.
>
> Even the BBC recently had it pegged a 0.8 percent.
>
> Linux advocates need to stop the denial and start figuring out what is
> wrong with Linux that is keeping it at so low a desktop market share.
>
>
> --
> Moshe Goldfarb
> Collector of soaps from around the globe.
> Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
> http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

I think what is wrong with it is that real programmers want to get paid. The
work to get a GUI working would take more time and then money and that's the
catch! They have plenty of time building tutorials so you can get things
going but no one ever thought of putting this in a bundle and click here to
get your wireless card going? That takes effort and with the various
hardware configurations you can come up with it wouldn't work so you have to
type this and that to get this done then you have to become Super User!!!
Wow I'm a super user.....cute.

Rich
 
On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:48:44 -0500, Rich wrote:

> "Moshe Goldfarb" <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:oo6kv0n4s6bn.1a6m6d8l0vvwa$.dlg@40tude.net...
>> On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:17:42 -0500, Rich wrote:
>>
>>> "Moshe Goldfarb" <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:8eego801kukn.1fsou3lbfp0ar$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>> On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:32:58 -0500, DFS wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Andy wrote:
>>>>>> http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hVyPFIJPx8NKAzElk21Isx-zQxvgD8VAQTSG0
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> NEW YORK (AP) - Computers that run the Linux operating system instead
>>>>>> of Microsoft Corp.'s Windows didn't attract enough attention from
>>>>>> Wal-Mart customers, and the chain has stopped selling them in stores,
>>>>>> a spokeswoman said Monday.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "This really wasn't what our customers were looking for," said
>>>>>> Wal-Mart Stores Inc. spokeswoman Melissa O'Brien.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To test demand for systems with the open-source operating system,
>>>>>> Wal-Mart stocked the $199 "Green gPC," made by Everex of Taiwan, in
>>>>>> about 600 stores starting late in October.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
Click to expand...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I smell MS bribery at work here, 'cause everyone really wants Linux
>>>>> (700
>>>>> cola "advocates" told me so).
>>>>>
>>>>> Wal-Mart should have displayed those bad-boy Linux machines running
>>>>> X-Moto
>>>>> on a 30" LCD.
>>>>> http://linux.softpedia.com/screenshots/X-Moto_2.jpg LMAO!!! Linux
>>>>> Format
>>>>> magazine Hot Pick!
>>>>>
>>>>> Then they could put a Vista machine next to it running BioShock on a
>>>>> measly
>>>>> 22" LCD.
>>>>> http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/bioshock/images.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Who could resist Linux then?
>>>>
>>>> You sure know how to wound a Linux advocate when he is down DFS :)
>>>>
>>>> They should have had 6 kernel compiles each in it's own CLI going
>>>> simultaneously on all sides of a rotating cube.
>>>>
>>>> Now *THAT* is something average people might be interested in.
>>>>
>>>> BTW Walmart dumping Linux was predicted by the Windows supporters from
>>>> the
>>>> very first day Walmart announced it.
>>>>
>>>> Kudos to Walmart though for trying the concept and being on the cutting
>>>> edge.
>>>>
>>>> The truth is, average people are just not interested in Linux.
>>>>
>>> Were interested but not in going back 15 years to the command prompt to
>>> type
>>> in arcane lines of code! I tried Umbutu and after 3 evenings of cutting
>>> and
>>> pasting from the forums I got wireless networking going. Then I
>>> discovered
>>> that I couldn't play an MP3 but could play a DVD. Had to install a few
>>> players to get a simple MP3 to play and have control of FF and the things
>>> that Winamp does with ease. I couldn't set a play list or shuffle. Then I
>>> tried to look at my other window machines to share files etc. WOW was
>>> that
>>> fun mounting and un-mounting drives etc....enough back to windows and
>>> clicking to get most things done!
>>>
>>> My two cents, Rich
>>
>> Exactly the experience that many noobs to Linux encounter.
>>
>> But if you go into the Linux groups they will call you an idiot for not
>> being able to make Linux work.
>>
>> I think the proof is in the pudding and the fact that despite being free,
>> desktop Linux hovers below 1 percent of market share and has done so for
>> many years.
>>
>> Even the BBC recently had it pegged a 0.8 percent.
>>
>> Linux advocates need to stop the denial and start figuring out what is
>> wrong with Linux that is keeping it at so low a desktop market share.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Moshe Goldfarb
>> Collector of soaps from around the globe.
>> Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
>> http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
>
> I think what is wrong with it is that real programmers want to get paid. The
> work to get a GUI working would take more time and then money and that's the
> catch! They have plenty of time building tutorials so you can get things
> going but no one ever thought of putting this in a bundle and click here to
> get your wireless card going? That takes effort and with the various
> hardware configurations you can come up with it wouldn't work so you have to
> type this and that to get this done then you have to become Super User!!!
> Wow I'm a super user.....cute.
>
> Rich

People want to *use* a computer.
People don't want to *build* a computer, at least not most people.

--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
 
In article <e2ybFf5gIHA.5088@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>,
Rich <dontbotherme@localhost> wrote:
>
>going but no one ever thought of putting this in a bundle and click here to

Think of Linux as the manual transmission of the desktop. You need
to spend a little time learning how to start it without stalling but once
you get the idea you'll never have to wait for some dumb piece of machinery
to downshift so you can merge from an on-ramp.

Personally, I think that if Ghu, the great, had meant us to drive
automatics we'd have been born with one foot.
 
In article <1r6rzh0c05kt0.6wceh671381n$.dlg@40tude.net>,
Moshe Goldfarb <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>People don't want to *build* a computer, at least not most people.
>

There's nothing inherent to Unix that requires you to build a
computer.

Interestingly enough, one of the first sites I ever ran was a
Unix site, a couple of Vaxen and about 200 serial lines out to terminals
on the desktops. Even the secretaries used Unix, wrote their memos in
Emacs and used mailx instead of some fancy graphical client. Office ran
just fine, too.

To repeat an analogy: some people think they need cushy seats,
ABS, traction control, electric windows, and an engine control system that
takes a rocket scientist to troubleshoot. But the essence of the experience
is four wheels, a clutch, and a few hundred horses under the hood.

Although quad carbs is an acceptable complexity.
 
* Rich peremptorily fired off this memo:

>> The truth is, average people are just not interested in Linux.
>>
> Were interested but not in going back 15 years to the command prompt to type
> in arcane lines of code! I tried Umbutu and after 3 evenings of cutting and
> pasting from the forums I got wireless networking going. Then I discovered
> that I couldn't play an MP3 but could play a DVD. Had to install a few
> players to get a simple MP3 to play and have control of FF and the things
> that Winamp does with ease. I couldn't set a play list or shuffle. Then I
> tried to look at my other window machines to share files etc. WOW was that
> fun mounting and un-mounting drives etc....enough back to windows and
> clicking to get most things done!

You're posting from the Advanced Photon Source synchrotron x-ray
research facility at Argonne National Labs and you can't get "Umbutu" to
play and shuffle MP3 and automount drives without editing files?

Surely you know how to navigate menus!

--
You see, antiquated ideas of kindness and generosity are simply bugs that
must be programmed out of our world. And these cold, unfeeling machines will
show us the way.
-- Bill Gates
 
* Rich peremptorily fired off this memo:

> I think what is wrong with it is that real programmers want to get paid. The
> work to get a GUI working would take more time and then money and that's the
> catch! They have plenty of time building tutorials so you can get things
> going but no one ever thought of putting this in a bundle and click here to
> get your wireless card going? That takes effort and with the various
> hardware configurations you can come up with it wouldn't work so you have to
> type this and that to get this done then you have to become Super User!!!
> Wow I'm a super user.....cute.

Take it up with Intel, Broadcomm, and Atheros.

Maybe you should stick to crystallography.

--
"Microsoft has had competitors in the past. It's a good thing we have
museums to document this stuff."
-- Bill Gates, in a talk at the Computer History Museum
in Mountain View, Calif.
 
* the wharf rat peremptorily fired off this memo:

> In article <e2ybFf5gIHA.5088@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>,
> Rich <dontbotherme@localhost> wrote:
>>
>>going but no one ever thought of putting this in a bundle and click here to
>
> Think of Linux as the manual transmission of the desktop. You need
> to spend a little time learning how to start it without stalling but once
> you get the idea you'll never have to wait for some dumb piece of machinery
> to downshift so you can merge from an on-ramp.
>
> Personally, I think that if Ghu, the great, had meant us to drive
> automatics we'd have been born with one foot.

Actually, in large part the state of wireless kernel modules in Linux is
the fault of the manufacturers.

Intel had a pretty decent driver with IWL3945, but somebody had to get a
wild hair about binary blobs and now we have the problematic IWLWIFI
series. Thanks, Intel.

--
We will never make a 32-bit operating system.
-- Bill Gates, At the launch of MSX[3]
 
"the wharf rat" <wrat@panix.com> wrote in message
news:fr6idv$qaa$1@reader2.panix.com...
> In article <1r6rzh0c05kt0.6wceh671381n$.dlg@40tude.net>,
> Moshe Goldfarb <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>People don't want to *build* a computer, at least not most people.
>>
>
> There's nothing inherent to Unix that requires you to build a
> computer.
>
> Interestingly enough, one of the first sites I ever ran was a
> Unix site, a couple of Vaxen and about 200 serial lines out to terminals
> on the desktops. Even the secretaries used Unix, wrote their memos in
> Emacs and used mailx instead of some fancy graphical client. Office ran
> just fine, too.
>
> To repeat an analogy: some people think they need cushy seats,
> ABS, traction control, electric windows, and an engine control system that
> takes a rocket scientist to troubleshoot. But the essence of the
> experience
> is four wheels, a clutch, and a few hundred horses under the hood.
>
> Although quad carbs is an acceptable complexity.
>

the wharf rat,

I've got another analogy. Some people prefer to use newspapers and rags
while others prefer toilet paper. They all achieve the same purpose but I'll
choose the easiest, most functional and best of the three and my choice is
certainly not newspapers and/or rags.

C.B.


--
It is the responsibility and duty of everyone to help the underprivileged
and unfortunate among us.
 
On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:11:01 +0000 (UTC), the wharf rat wrote:

> In article <e2ybFf5gIHA.5088@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>,
> Rich <dontbotherme@localhost> wrote:
>>
>>going but no one ever thought of putting this in a bundle and click here to
>
> Think of Linux as the manual transmission of the desktop. You need
> to spend a little time learning how to start it without stalling but once
> you get the idea you'll never have to wait for some dumb piece of machinery
> to downshift so you can merge from an on-ramp.

Until the first time you are stuck on a 60 degree incline and have to get
moving from a standstill and the car behind you is 6 inches from your rear
bumper.

There is a reason why many of the sports cars now come the DSG type
transmissions most of which which can be shifted totally manually, usually
by paddles, or automatically.

No clutch needed.

(Note I'm a clutch person myself, I'm just saying the average person
doesn't want one, even the average sports car driver hence the DSG
transmissions which typically can be shifted manually)


> Personally, I think that if Ghu, the great, had meant us to drive
> automatics we'd have been born with one foot.


--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
 
"Moshe Goldfarb" <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:17:42 -0500, Rich wrote:
>
>> "Moshe Goldfarb" <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:8eego801kukn.1fsou3lbfp0ar$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>> On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:32:58 -0500, DFS wrote:
>>>
>>>> Andy wrote:
>>>>> http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hVyPFIJPx8NKAzElk21Isx-zQxvgD8VAQTSG0
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> NEW YORK (AP) - Computers that run the Linux operating system instead
>>>>> of Microsoft Corp.'s Windows didn't attract enough attention from
>>>>> Wal-Mart customers, and the chain has stopped selling them in stores,
>>>>> a spokeswoman said Monday.
>>>>>
>>>>> "This really wasn't what our customers were looking for," said
>>>>> Wal-Mart Stores Inc. spokeswoman Melissa O'Brien.
>>>>>
>>>>> To test demand for systems with the open-source operating system,
>>>>> Wal-Mart stocked the $199 "Green gPC," made by Everex of Taiwan, in
>>>>> about 600 stores starting late in October.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I smell MS bribery at work here, 'cause everyone really wants Linux
>>>> (700
>>>> cola "advocates" told me so).
>>>>
>>>> Wal-Mart should have displayed those bad-boy Linux machines running
>>>> X-Moto
>>>> on a 30" LCD.
>>>> http://linux.softpedia.com/screenshots/X-Moto_2.jpg LMAO!!! Linux
>>>> Format
>>>> magazine Hot Pick!
>>>>
>>>> Then they could put a Vista machine next to it running BioShock on a
>>>> measly
>>>> 22" LCD.
>>>> http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/bioshock/images.html
>>>>
>>>> Who could resist Linux then?
>>>
>>> You sure know how to wound a Linux advocate when he is down DFS :)
>>>
>>> They should have had 6 kernel compiles each in it's own CLI going
>>> simultaneously on all sides of a rotating cube.
>>>
>>> Now *THAT* is something average people might be interested in.
>>>
>>> BTW Walmart dumping Linux was predicted by the Windows supporters from
>>> the
>>> very first day Walmart announced it.
>>>
>>> Kudos to Walmart though for trying the concept and being on the cutting
>>> edge.
>>>
>>> The truth is, average people are just not interested in Linux.
>>>
>> Were interested but not in going back 15 years to the command prompt to
>> type
>> in arcane lines of code! I tried Umbutu and after 3 evenings of cutting
>> and
>> pasting from the forums I got wireless networking going. Then I
>> discovered
>> that I couldn't play an MP3 but could play a DVD. Had to install a few
>> players to get a simple MP3 to play and have control of FF and the things
>> that Winamp does with ease. I couldn't set a play list or shuffle. Then I
>> tried to look at my other window machines to share files etc. WOW was
>> that
>> fun mounting and un-mounting drives etc....enough back to windows and
>> clicking to get most things done!
>>
>> My two cents, Rich
>
> Exactly the experience that many noobs to Linux encounter.

I am by no means a noob, have used Linux (Mandrake/Mandriva and can even
show screenshots) quite a bit and like it because it gives me a challenge
being a geek at heart. However, while it excels as a server, it truly blows.
As put forth here in the Vista group, yeah it 25,000 free programs. But none
of them are really worth a damn to anyone that wants to get anything done,
except maybe as a development platform where is also pretty good. New users
want whatever will allow them things done the easiest, and I can tell you
from experience, Linux isn't it.

> But if you go into the Linux groups they will call you an idiot for not
> being able to make Linux work.

Never had that problem as I CAN make it work, but why do I want to waste
productivity time taking twice as long to do something that should work by
default? If I have spare time, and feel like tinkering, then I will do it
there.

> I think the proof is in the pudding and the fact that despite being free,
> desktop Linux hovers below 1 percent of market share and has done so for
> many years.
>
> Even the BBC recently had it pegged a 0.8 percent.
>
> Linux advocates need to stop the denial and start figuring out what is
> wrong with Linux that is keeping it at so low a desktop market share.

I wouldn't say the advocates as at least THEY look at things in an unbiased
manner. It's the zealots, which I call smacktards, that give it a bad name,
and are deep in denial. The smacktards also include the Mac and Win zealots.
The advocates are aware of it's shortcomings, and are at least doing
something to try and address them. The smacktards on the other hand, do
nothing to support their contentions, regularly make themselves look like
retards, and care only for whatever agenda they have. I have used and/or
supported all three, and could care less what someone uses as long as it
gets whatever they need done. Too bad the smacktards can't take the same
view.

--
Sanity calms, but madness is more interesting.
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"Moshe Goldfarb" <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> There is a reason why many of the sports cars now come the DSG type
> transmissions most of which which can be shifted totally manually, usually
> by paddles, or automatically.

That would be the poor driving ability of Americans. Most cars are manual
4/5/6 speed over here. -)
 
* dennis@home peremptorily fired off this memo:

> "Moshe Goldfarb" <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
>> There is a reason why many of the sports cars now come the DSG type
>> transmissions most of which which can be shifted totally manually, usually
>> by paddles, or automatically.
>
> That would be the poor driving ability of Americans. Most cars are manual
> 4/5/6 speed over here. -)

I never buy automatic, even though I learned manual late (thanks to a
salesman so desperate to sell a little Mazda that he taught my
wife and I to shift).

Manual turns my little Yaris into a speed demon, a demonstration of
high-speed precision driving! Which I need, to survive in this place.

Sort of like Linux. Takes a little longer to learn to shift, but you
don't have to deal with gummy hydraulics.

--
The best way to prepare [to be a programmer] is to write programs, and to
study great programs that other people have written. In my case, I went to
the garbage cans at the Computer Science Center and fished out listings of
their operating system.
-- Bill Gates
 
dennis@home wrote:

>"Moshe Goldfarb" <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:upb6mnq2ytnv$.176dz5dzr34js$.dlg@40tude.net...
>
>> There is a reason why many of the sports cars now come the DSG type
>> transmissions most of which which can be shifted totally manually, usually
>> by paddles, or automatically.
>
>That would be the poor driving ability of Americans. Most cars are manual
>4/5/6 speed over here. -)

I'm not sure that you have the traffic jams that we have.
 
In article <upb6mnq2ytnv$.176dz5dzr34js$.dlg@40tude.net>,
Moshe Goldfarb <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>Until the first time you are stuck on a 60 degree incline and have to get
>moving from a standstill and the car behind you is 6 inches from your rear
>bumper.
>

Yes, like a manual transmission, unix takes some amount of skill
and practice. The reward is increased flexibility and control.

>> Personally, I think that if Ghu, the great, had meant us to drive
>> automatics we'd have been born with one foot.
 
"the wharf rat" <wrat@panix.com> wrote in message
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> In article <upb6mnq2ytnv$.176dz5dzr34js$.dlg@40tude.net>,
> Moshe Goldfarb <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Until the first time you are stuck on a 60 degree incline and have to get
>>moving from a standstill and the car behind you is 6 inches from your rear
>>bumper.
>>
>
> Yes, like a manual transmission, unix takes some amount of skill
> and practice. The reward is increased flexibility and control.
>
>>> Personally, I think that if Ghu, the great, had meant us to drive
>>> automatics we'd have been born with one foot.
>

Why are there so many Linux people here touting Linux? Is there this many
windows people in the linux groups doing the same thing?

Seems odd to me.
 
Folks that are using Linux (sic) are so miserable that
they just want everyone else to share in their misery.
What they really desire is to use Windows Vista,
but unfortunately they have poor computer hardware
that cannot be used for installing the start-of-the-art
Vista operating system.

Linux is such a poor O/S that even Wal-Mart no longer
carries the bottom-line computers preinstalled with the
pitiful penguin.

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows Shell/User

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"Rich" wrote:

Why are there so many Linux people here touting Linux? Is there this many
windows people in the linux groups doing the same thing?

Seems odd to me.
 
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