Re: Test power supply???

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"Ross" wrote in message
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> VanguardLH,
>
> The power supply is an ATX. Thanks for asking, let me know if there
> is an
> easy way to see if this power supply has gone bad.


Disconnect the ATX power supply from everything except: power cord to
wall outlet and to 1 hard drive (to provide an internal load).
Obviously you need power to test. The load may be needed by some
power supplies which do not power up if they see no load on their
power taps.

Remove the 20-pin header from the power supply to the motherboard (for
an ATX power supply, 24-pin if an ATX-12 style). Short the PS-ON line
to a ground line. The power supply never completely turns off (unless
you yank the power cord). A 5-volt standby line remains up to power
the logic on the motherboard for powering up the power supply. When
you press the Power switch, that switch is not connected to the power
supply. Instead that switch goes to the motherboard where logic will
drop the PS-ON line to ground to tell the power supply to come up
fully. So basically you are replacing that motherboard logic by
shorting PS-ON to ground at the 20-pin connector. PS-ON is the green
wire (pin 14 for the 20-pin connector). The grounds are the black
wires.

When the power cord is connected to the power supply, there is a load
(by the hard drive), if needed, and with PS-ON shorted to ground, you
should see the power supply come on. That is, you will see its fan
start spinning and the hard drive will spin up. If that works, all
you've proven is that the power supply will come on if told to power
up by PS-ON going low. You still need to measure the voltages at each
of the power taps using a voltmeter or multimeter (and this must be
measured under load so you hook it all back up and then check
voltages).

If PS-ON going low made the power supply come on, reconnect the power
supply but under a minimal load. The power supply should only be
connected to: motherboard and 1 hard drive. CD/DVD drives, floppy
drives, and other components shouldn't be powered. Remove all cards
from the slots except the video card. Remove all but 1 stick of
memory. Check if the host powers up. If it does, check voltages on
the power taps that are used. Then power down, connect the next piece
of hardware, and check if you can power up again. Perhaps you have a
part that is drawing too much power (i.e., it has a short) or you
simply have way too many parts that are consuming more power than the
power supply can supply.

Figure on not getting more than two-thirds of the rated wattage from a
cheap power supply. Rather than doing all the above, and if you don't
feel capable, it might be easier and faster to just get another power
supply but expect to pay for a decent one that actually supplies the
wattage that it is rated for.

> Also, you ask: ""Also, how is this a Windows XP question?"" Well,
> yes there
> are other groups such as hardware. The problem is that very few
> people post
> on these boards and sometimes it takes awhile to get your questions
> answered.
> So, I am posting the problem here for a quick response. Hope this is
> not a
> problem for you.


Doesn't matter if a group is busier than the appropriate one(s).
Would you post in a gardening group if it were busy? Off-topic posts
are spam.

I have crossposted my reply (and set FollowUp-To) to the
microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware group so go there to continue the
discussion (after testing the power supply).
 
VanguardLH, now why in the world would I want to continue my discussion with
another group (one that I did not initate by the way) when you have posted
the answer I am looking for??? Where is the logic in this??? BTW, thanks for
the post - very helpful.

"VanguardLH" wrote:

> "Ross" wrote in message
> news:0068296D-46A2-49FE-98FF-BCF4F97D8A2B@microsoft.com...
> > VanguardLH,
> >
> > The power supply is an ATX. Thanks for asking, let me know if there
> > is an
> > easy way to see if this power supply has gone bad.

>
> Disconnect the ATX power supply from everything except: power cord to
> wall outlet and to 1 hard drive (to provide an internal load).
> Obviously you need power to test. The load may be needed by some
> power supplies which do not power up if they see no load on their
> power taps.
>
> Remove the 20-pin header from the power supply to the motherboard (for
> an ATX power supply, 24-pin if an ATX-12 style). Short the PS-ON line
> to a ground line. The power supply never completely turns off (unless
> you yank the power cord). A 5-volt standby line remains up to power
> the logic on the motherboard for powering up the power supply. When
> you press the Power switch, that switch is not connected to the power
> supply. Instead that switch goes to the motherboard where logic will
> drop the PS-ON line to ground to tell the power supply to come up
> fully. So basically you are replacing that motherboard logic by
> shorting PS-ON to ground at the 20-pin connector. PS-ON is the green
> wire (pin 14 for the 20-pin connector). The grounds are the black
> wires.
>
> When the power cord is connected to the power supply, there is a load
> (by the hard drive), if needed, and with PS-ON shorted to ground, you
> should see the power supply come on. That is, you will see its fan
> start spinning and the hard drive will spin up. If that works, all
> you've proven is that the power supply will come on if told to power
> up by PS-ON going low. You still need to measure the voltages at each
> of the power taps using a voltmeter or multimeter (and this must be
> measured under load so you hook it all back up and then check
> voltages).
>
> If PS-ON going low made the power supply come on, reconnect the power
> supply but under a minimal load. The power supply should only be
> connected to: motherboard and 1 hard drive. CD/DVD drives, floppy
> drives, and other components shouldn't be powered. Remove all cards
> from the slots except the video card. Remove all but 1 stick of
> memory. Check if the host powers up. If it does, check voltages on
> the power taps that are used. Then power down, connect the next piece
> of hardware, and check if you can power up again. Perhaps you have a
> part that is drawing too much power (i.e., it has a short) or you
> simply have way too many parts that are consuming more power than the
> power supply can supply.
>
> Figure on not getting more than two-thirds of the rated wattage from a
> cheap power supply. Rather than doing all the above, and if you don't
> feel capable, it might be easier and faster to just get another power
> supply but expect to pay for a decent one that actually supplies the
> wattage that it is rated for.
>
> > Also, you ask: ""Also, how is this a Windows XP question?"" Well,
> > yes there
> > are other groups such as hardware. The problem is that very few
> > people post
> > on these boards and sometimes it takes awhile to get your questions
> > answered.
> > So, I am posting the problem here for a quick response. Hope this is
> > not a
> > problem for you.

>
> Doesn't matter if a group is busier than the appropriate one(s).
> Would you post in a gardening group if it were busy? Off-topic posts
> are spam.
>
> I have crossposted my reply (and set FollowUp-To) to the
> microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware group so go there to continue the
> discussion (after testing the power supply).
>
>
 
My guess is that you're not the only one in the world who reads this
newsgroup, and may have a very similar question. Or, maybe, info may help
someone in the future. Oops, forgot, some people have the center of the
universe thing...

--
Dave
"Ross" <Ross@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:7CD5FBD4-85A1-4D91-AD17-998A7A1E1071@microsoft.com...
> VanguardLH, now why in the world would I want to continue my discussion
> with
> another group (one that I did not initate by the way) when you have posted
> the answer I am looking for??? Where is the logic in this??? BTW, thanks
> for
> the post - very helpful.
>
> "VanguardLH" wrote:
>
>> "Ross" wrote in message
>> news:0068296D-46A2-49FE-98FF-BCF4F97D8A2B@microsoft.com...
>> > VanguardLH,
>> >
>> > The power supply is an ATX. Thanks for asking, let me know if there
>> > is an
>> > easy way to see if this power supply has gone bad.

>>
>> Disconnect the ATX power supply from everything except: power cord to
>> wall outlet and to 1 hard drive (to provide an internal load).
>> Obviously you need power to test. The load may be needed by some
>> power supplies which do not power up if they see no load on their
>> power taps.
>>
>> Remove the 20-pin header from the power supply to the motherboard (for
>> an ATX power supply, 24-pin if an ATX-12 style). Short the PS-ON line
>> to a ground line. The power supply never completely turns off (unless
>> you yank the power cord). A 5-volt standby line remains up to power
>> the logic on the motherboard for powering up the power supply. When
>> you press the Power switch, that switch is not connected to the power
>> supply. Instead that switch goes to the motherboard where logic will
>> drop the PS-ON line to ground to tell the power supply to come up
>> fully. So basically you are replacing that motherboard logic by
>> shorting PS-ON to ground at the 20-pin connector. PS-ON is the green
>> wire (pin 14 for the 20-pin connector). The grounds are the black
>> wires.
>>
>> When the power cord is connected to the power supply, there is a load
>> (by the hard drive), if needed, and with PS-ON shorted to ground, you
>> should see the power supply come on. That is, you will see its fan
>> start spinning and the hard drive will spin up. If that works, all
>> you've proven is that the power supply will come on if told to power
>> up by PS-ON going low. You still need to measure the voltages at each
>> of the power taps using a voltmeter or multimeter (and this must be
>> measured under load so you hook it all back up and then check
>> voltages).
>>
>> If PS-ON going low made the power supply come on, reconnect the power
>> supply but under a minimal load. The power supply should only be
>> connected to: motherboard and 1 hard drive. CD/DVD drives, floppy
>> drives, and other components shouldn't be powered. Remove all cards
>> from the slots except the video card. Remove all but 1 stick of
>> memory. Check if the host powers up. If it does, check voltages on
>> the power taps that are used. Then power down, connect the next piece
>> of hardware, and check if you can power up again. Perhaps you have a
>> part that is drawing too much power (i.e., it has a short) or you
>> simply have way too many parts that are consuming more power than the
>> power supply can supply.
>>
>> Figure on not getting more than two-thirds of the rated wattage from a
>> cheap power supply. Rather than doing all the above, and if you don't
>> feel capable, it might be easier and faster to just get another power
>> supply but expect to pay for a decent one that actually supplies the
>> wattage that it is rated for.
>>
>> > Also, you ask: ""Also, how is this a Windows XP question?"" Well,
>> > yes there
>> > are other groups such as hardware. The problem is that very few
>> > people post
>> > on these boards and sometimes it takes awhile to get your questions
>> > answered.
>> > So, I am posting the problem here for a quick response. Hope this is
>> > not a
>> > problem for you.

>>
>> Doesn't matter if a group is busier than the appropriate one(s).
>> Would you post in a gardening group if it were busy? Off-topic posts
>> are spam.
>>
>> I have crossposted my reply (and set FollowUp-To) to the
>> microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware group so go there to continue the
>> discussion (after testing the power supply).
>>
>>
 
"Ross" <Ross@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:7CD5FBD4-85A1-4D91-AD17-998A7A1E1071@microsoft.com...
> VanguardLH, now why in the world would I want to continue my discussion
> with
> another group (one that I did not initate by the way) when you have posted
> the answer I am looking for??? Where is the logic in this??? BTW, thanks
> for
> the post - very helpful.
>
>

Ross
Have you never wondered why there are 'groups'?
But to admit that you intentionaly posted into a wrong group just to get a
quick answer beggars belief.
There are a lot of clever people in these groups who in their own time, read
these posts and help others. The last thing they need are posters like
youself wasting their time opening and reading off topic posts.
The idea of using a correct group is to get as many expert replies as
possible and as quickly as possible.
You were lucky that on this occassion you did not get 'flamed' and or
ignored(which is very likely).
Perhaps the below might be a good read for you

Asking a newsgroup question:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375

How Not to Get Help in Newsgroups
http://users.tpg.com.au/bzyhjr/liszt.html

Your attitude in your last remarks could to with edifying IMO.

Antioch
 
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