Re: [News] Red Hat Developer's Update on PulseAudio, Fedora Live CDs Interview

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Moshe Goldfarb

On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 04:17:25 +0100, Roy Schestowitz wrote:

> What's Cooking in PulseAudio's glitch-free Branch

Another day.

Another Linux sound system.

Talk about total confusion.

How many different sound systems are we up to now?
Like ten?

You Linux guys can't even get ALSA working properly, and easily, yet you
keep churning out one sound system after another.

And Linux nuts wonder why average Jane considers desktop Linux a joke....

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"Moshe Goldfarb" <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1d90ogevhssac.1unp33rqyvymt$.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 04:17:25 +0100, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>
>> What's Cooking in PulseAudio's glitch-free Branch
>
> Another day.
>
> Another Linux sound system.
>
> Talk about total confusion.
>
> How many different sound systems are we up to now?
> Like ten?

Linux operates on the survival of the fittest. Unlike Windows products,
they compete and it isn't a monopoly.

> You Linux guys can't even get ALSA working properly, and easily, yet you
> keep churning out one sound system after another.

Further ahead than Vista.

-----------
Vista OS- Vastly Inferior Software Try Another OS
 
"Canuck57" <dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> writes:

> "Moshe Goldfarb" <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1d90ogevhssac.1unp33rqyvymt$.dlg@40tude.net...
>> On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 04:17:25 +0100, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>
>>> What's Cooking in PulseAudio's glitch-free Branch
>>
>> Another day.
>>
>> Another Linux sound system.
>>
>> Talk about total confusion.
>>
>> How many different sound systems are we up to now?
>> Like ten?
>
> Linux operates on the survival of the fittest. Unlike Windows products,
> they compete and it isn't a monopoly.

You could not be more wrong. Because there is no commercial need for
most Linux stuff, even the crap stay there. I hate to tell you but most
SW used on Windows is not from MS. It is from competing commercial
companies.

I mean, really, could you be more clueless?

>
>> You Linux guys can't even get ALSA working properly, and easily, yet you
>> keep churning out one sound system after another.
>
> Further ahead than Vista.

Are you joking? Linux sound architecture is a joke at the moment.

Here's the Pulseaudio "how to make it work" wiki:

http://www.pulseaudio.org/wiki/PerfectSetup

And thats the easy bit. There are many distro specific hacks and the
need to compile from CVS in many cases.
 
On 2008-04-10, Hadron <hadronquark@googlemail.com> wrote:
> "Canuck57" <dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> writes:
>
>> "Moshe Goldfarb" <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1d90ogevhssac.1unp33rqyvymt$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>> On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 04:17:25 +0100, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>
>>>> What's Cooking in PulseAudio's glitch-free Branch
>>>
>>> Another day.
>>>
>>> Another Linux sound system.
>>>
>>> Talk about total confusion.
>>>
>>> How many different sound systems are we up to now?
>>> Like ten?
>>
>> Linux operates on the survival of the fittest. Unlike Windows products,
>> they compete and it isn't a monopoly.
>
> You could not be more wrong. Because there is no commercial need for
> most Linux stuff, even the crap stay there. I hate to tell you but most
> SW used on Windows is not from MS. It is from competing commercial
> companies.
>
> I mean, really, could you be more clueless?
>
>>
>>> You Linux guys can't even get ALSA working properly, and easily, yet you
>>> keep churning out one sound system after another.
>>
>> Further ahead than Vista.
>
> Are you joking? Linux sound architecture is a joke at the moment.
>
> Here's the Pulseaudio "how to make it work" wiki:
>
> http://www.pulseaudio.org/wiki/PerfectSetup
>
> And thats the easy bit. There are many distro specific hacks and the
> need to compile from CVS in many cases.

I did absolutely nothing with my sound setup, in either Hardy or
Gutsy, it all just worked. My use of sound is mostly watching movies
or listening to music.

i
 
Ignoramus9437 <ignoramus9437@NOSPAM.9437.invalid> writes:

> On 2008-04-10, Hadron <hadronquark@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> "Canuck57" <dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> writes:
>>
>>> "Moshe Goldfarb" <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1d90ogevhssac.1unp33rqyvymt$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>> On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 04:17:25 +0100, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What's Cooking in PulseAudio's glitch-free Branch
>>>>
>>>> Another day.
>>>>
>>>> Another Linux sound system.
>>>>
>>>> Talk about total confusion.
>>>>
>>>> How many different sound systems are we up to now?
>>>> Like ten?
>>>
>>> Linux operates on the survival of the fittest. Unlike Windows products,
>>> they compete and it isn't a monopoly.
>>
>> You could not be more wrong. Because there is no commercial need for
>> most Linux stuff, even the crap stay there. I hate to tell you but most
>> SW used on Windows is not from MS. It is from competing commercial
>> companies.
>>
>> I mean, really, could you be more clueless?
>>
>>>
>>>> You Linux guys can't even get ALSA working properly, and easily, yet you
>>>> keep churning out one sound system after another.
>>>
>>> Further ahead than Vista.
>>
>> Are you joking? Linux sound architecture is a joke at the moment.
>>
>> Here's the Pulseaudio "how to make it work" wiki:
>>
>> http://www.pulseaudio.org/wiki/PerfectSetup
>>
>> And thats the easy bit. There are many distro specific hacks and the
>> need to compile from CVS in many cases.
>
> I did absolutely nothing with my sound setup, in either Hardy or
> Gutsy, it all just worked. My use of sound is mostly watching movies
> or listening to music.
>
> i

Yes, well, good for you.

Open up a second x screen on your TV. Play a totem movie
there. Now test your system sounds and try to play youtube in flash or
a bbc player item in iceweasel. Also try something like gnubiff to alert
you with audio of a new email and/or listen to amarok or a radio
stream. Does it all work together?
 
On 2008-04-10, Hadron <hadronquark@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Ignoramus9437 <ignoramus9437@NOSPAM.9437.invalid> writes:
>
>> On 2008-04-10, Hadron <hadronquark@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>> "Canuck57" <dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> writes:
>>>
>>>> "Moshe Goldfarb" <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:1d90ogevhssac.1unp33rqyvymt$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>>> On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 04:17:25 +0100, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> What's Cooking in PulseAudio's glitch-free Branch
>>>>>
>>>>> Another day.
>>>>>
>>>>> Another Linux sound system.
>>>>>
>>>>> Talk about total confusion.
>>>>>
>>>>> How many different sound systems are we up to now?
>>>>> Like ten?
>>>>
>>>> Linux operates on the survival of the fittest. Unlike Windows products,
>>>> they compete and it isn't a monopoly.
>>>
>>> You could not be more wrong. Because there is no commercial need for
>>> most Linux stuff, even the crap stay there. I hate to tell you but most
>>> SW used on Windows is not from MS. It is from competing commercial
>>> companies.
>>>
>>> I mean, really, could you be more clueless?
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> You Linux guys can't even get ALSA working properly, and easily, yet you
>>>>> keep churning out one sound system after another.
>>>>
>>>> Further ahead than Vista.
>>>
>>> Are you joking? Linux sound architecture is a joke at the moment.
>>>
>>> Here's the Pulseaudio "how to make it work" wiki:
>>>
>>> http://www.pulseaudio.org/wiki/PerfectSetup
>>>
>>> And thats the easy bit. There are many distro specific hacks and the
>>> need to compile from CVS in many cases.
>>
>> I did absolutely nothing with my sound setup, in either Hardy or
>> Gutsy, it all just worked. My use of sound is mostly watching movies
>> or listening to music.
>>
>> i
>
> Yes, well, good for you.
>
> Open up a second x screen on your TV. Play a totem movie
> there. Now test your system sounds and try to play youtube in flash or
> a bbc player item in iceweasel. Also try something like gnubiff to alert
> you with audio of a new email and/or listen to amarok or a radio
> stream. Does it all work together?

I will try tonight, will let you know.

i
 
On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 18:32:23 +0200, Hadron wrote:

> "Canuck57" <dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> writes:
>
>> "Moshe Goldfarb" <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1d90ogevhssac.1unp33rqyvymt$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>> On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 04:17:25 +0100, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>
>>>> What's Cooking in PulseAudio's glitch-free Branch
>>>
>>> Another day.
>>>
>>> Another Linux sound system.
>>>
>>> Talk about total confusion.
>>>
>>> How many different sound systems are we up to now?
>>> Like ten?
>>
>> Linux operates on the survival of the fittest. Unlike Windows products,
>> they compete and it isn't a monopoly.
>
> You could not be more wrong. Because there is no commercial need for
> most Linux stuff, even the crap stay there. I hate to tell you but most
> SW used on Windows is not from MS. It is from competing commercial
> companies.
>
> I mean, really, could you be more clueless?
>
>>
>>> You Linux guys can't even get ALSA working properly, and easily, yet you
>>> keep churning out one sound system after another.
>>
>> Further ahead than Vista.
>
> Are you joking? Linux sound architecture is a joke at the moment.
>
> Here's the Pulseaudio "how to make it work" wiki:
>
> http://www.pulseaudio.org/wiki/PerfectSetup
>
> And thats the easy bit. There are many distro specific hacks and the
> need to compile from CVS in many cases.

Audio under Linux is a complete clusterfsck.
It has been that way for years and it continues to be that way.


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On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 11:38:32 -0500, Ignoramus9437 wrote:

> On 2008-04-10, Hadron <hadronquark@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> "Canuck57" <dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> writes:
>>
>>> "Moshe Goldfarb" <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1d90ogevhssac.1unp33rqyvymt$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>> On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 04:17:25 +0100, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What's Cooking in PulseAudio's glitch-free Branch
>>>>
>>>> Another day.
>>>>
>>>> Another Linux sound system.
>>>>
>>>> Talk about total confusion.
>>>>
>>>> How many different sound systems are we up to now?
>>>> Like ten?
>>>
>>> Linux operates on the survival of the fittest. Unlike Windows products,
>>> they compete and it isn't a monopoly.
>>
>> You could not be more wrong. Because there is no commercial need for
>> most Linux stuff, even the crap stay there. I hate to tell you but most
>> SW used on Windows is not from MS. It is from competing commercial
>> companies.
>>
>> I mean, really, could you be more clueless?
>>
>>>
>>>> You Linux guys can't even get ALSA working properly, and easily, yet you
>>>> keep churning out one sound system after another.
>>>
>>> Further ahead than Vista.
>>
>> Are you joking? Linux sound architecture is a joke at the moment.
>>
>> Here's the Pulseaudio "how to make it work" wiki:
>>
>> http://www.pulseaudio.org/wiki/PerfectSetup
>>
>> And thats the easy bit. There are many distro specific hacks and the
>> need to compile from CVS in many cases.
>
> I did absolutely nothing with my sound setup, in either Hardy or
> Gutsy, it all just worked. My use of sound is mostly watching movies
> or listening to music.
>
> i

Try running Ardour and see what happens.

--
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On 2008-04-10, Moshe Goldfarb <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 11:38:32 -0500, Ignoramus9437 wrote:
>>> Here's the Pulseaudio "how to make it work" wiki:
>>>
>>> http://www.pulseaudio.org/wiki/PerfectSetup
>>>
>>> And thats the easy bit. There are many distro specific hacks and the
>>> need to compile from CVS in many cases.
>>
>> I did absolutely nothing with my sound setup, in either Hardy or
>> Gutsy, it all just worked. My use of sound is mostly watching movies
>> or listening to music.
>>
>> i
>
> Try running Ardour and see what happens.
>

OK, I will try to find time to give it a try, I never used such
things.

i
 
On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:29:09 -0500, Ignoramus9437 wrote:

> On 2008-04-10, Moshe Goldfarb <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 11:38:32 -0500, Ignoramus9437 wrote:
>>>> Here's the Pulseaudio "how to make it work" wiki:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.pulseaudio.org/wiki/PerfectSetup
>>>>
>>>> And thats the easy bit. There are many distro specific hacks and the
>>>> need to compile from CVS in many cases.
>>>
>>> I did absolutely nothing with my sound setup, in either Hardy or
>>> Gutsy, it all just worked. My use of sound is mostly watching movies
>>> or listening to music.
>>>
>>> i
>>
>> Try running Ardour and see what happens.
>>
>
> OK, I will try to find time to give it a try, I never used such
> things.
>
> i

Thank you.

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Moshe Goldfarb <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> writes:

> On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:29:09 -0500, Ignoramus9437 wrote:
>
>> On 2008-04-10, Moshe Goldfarb <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 11:38:32 -0500, Ignoramus9437 wrote:
>>>>> Here's the Pulseaudio "how to make it work" wiki:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.pulseaudio.org/wiki/PerfectSetup
>>>>>
>>>>> And thats the easy bit. There are many distro specific hacks and the
>>>>> need to compile from CVS in many cases.
>>>>
>>>> I did absolutely nothing with my sound setup, in either Hardy or
>>>> Gutsy, it all just worked. My use of sound is mostly watching movies
>>>> or listening to music.
>>>>
>>>> i
>>>
>>> Try running Ardour and see what happens.
>>>
>>
>> OK, I will try to find time to give it a try, I never used such
>> things.
>>
>> i
>
> Thank you.

First questions

err, is pulseaudio working with or against jack?!?!? Where is ESD? Err,
does this work with arts on KDE? Is alsa a friend or foe of pulseaudio?

Aaarrrghhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 20:36:45 +0200, Hadron wrote:

> Moshe Goldfarb <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:29:09 -0500, Ignoramus9437 wrote:
>>
>>> On 2008-04-10, Moshe Goldfarb <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 11:38:32 -0500, Ignoramus9437 wrote:
>>>>>> Here's the Pulseaudio "how to make it work" wiki:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.pulseaudio.org/wiki/PerfectSetup
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And thats the easy bit. There are many distro specific hacks and the
>>>>>> need to compile from CVS in many cases.
>>>>>
>>>>> I did absolutely nothing with my sound setup, in either Hardy or
>>>>> Gutsy, it all just worked. My use of sound is mostly watching movies
>>>>> or listening to music.
>>>>>
>>>>> i
>>>>
>>>> Try running Ardour and see what happens.
>>>>
>>>
>>> OK, I will try to find time to give it a try, I never used such
>>> things.
>>>
>>> i
>>
>> Thank you.
>
> First questions
>
> err, is pulseaudio working with or against jack?!?!? Where is ESD? Err,
> does this work with arts on KDE? Is alsa a friend or foe of pulseaudio?
>
> Aaarrrghhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have no idea.
That is why Linux sound systems are so confused.

--
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Moshe Goldfarb <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> writes:

> On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 20:36:45 +0200, Hadron wrote:
>
>> Moshe Goldfarb <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:29:09 -0500, Ignoramus9437 wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2008-04-10, Moshe Goldfarb <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 11:38:32 -0500, Ignoramus9437 wrote:
>>>>>>> Here's the Pulseaudio "how to make it work" wiki:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.pulseaudio.org/wiki/PerfectSetup
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And thats the easy bit. There are many distro specific hacks and the
>>>>>>> need to compile from CVS in many cases.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I did absolutely nothing with my sound setup, in either Hardy or
>>>>>> Gutsy, it all just worked. My use of sound is mostly watching movies
>>>>>> or listening to music.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i
>>>>>
>>>>> Try running Ardour and see what happens.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> OK, I will try to find time to give it a try, I never used such
>>>> things.
>>>>
>>>> i
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>
>> First questions
>>
>> err, is pulseaudio working with or against jack?!?!? Where is ESD? Err,
>> does this work with arts on KDE? Is alsa a friend or foe of pulseaudio?
>>
>> Aaarrrghhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> I have no idea.
> That is why Linux sound systems are so confused.

So lets have a look at the design docs!

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`----

Oops!

OK, lets try a bit easier. Lets look at the introduction!

http://jackaudio.org/documentation

Nothing there! Only the FAQ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What about configuring it for our "me too" distro?

"System configuration for success, joy and eternal happiness"

Oh no!!!!!!!!! Nothing!


See? Typical half arsed and incomplete.

What it needs is someone to start ANOTHER sound system!


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Re: [News] Red Hat Developer's Update on PulseAudio, Fedora LiveCDs Interview

On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 15:18:14 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb wrote:

> On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 20:36:45 +0200, Hadron wrote:
>
>> Moshe Goldfarb <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:29:09 -0500, Ignoramus9437 wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2008-04-10, Moshe Goldfarb <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 11:38:32 -0500, Ignoramus9437 wrote:
>>>>>>> Here's the Pulseaudio "how to make it work" wiki:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.pulseaudio.org/wiki/PerfectSetup
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And thats the easy bit. There are many distro specific hacks and
>>>>>>> the need to compile from CVS in many cases.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I did absolutely nothing with my sound setup, in either Hardy or
>>>>>> Gutsy, it all just worked. My use of sound is mostly watching
>>>>>> movies or listening to music.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i
>>>>>
>>>>> Try running Ardour and see what happens.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> OK, I will try to find time to give it a try, I never used such
>>>> things.
>>>>
>>>> i
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>
>> First questions
>>
>> err, is pulseaudio working with or against jack?!?!? Where is ESD? Err,
>> does this work with arts on KDE? Is alsa a friend or foe of pulseaudio?
>>
>> Aaarrrghhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> I have no idea.
> That is why Linux sound systems are so confused.

If Linux distros are so crappy, why do you and your family use them?

--
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Moshe Goldfarb <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote in
news:157i64ax9oq8z$.1dj8ysl6450oc$.dlg@40tude.net:

>>> And thats the easy bit. There are many distro specific hacks and the
>>> need to compile from CVS in many cases.
>>
>> I did absolutely nothing with my sound setup, in either Hardy or
>> Gutsy, it all just worked. My use of sound is mostly watching movies
>> or listening to music.
>>
>> i
>
> Try running Ardour and see what happens.

Well, when I installed Ubuntu, the audio just, worked, and I just installed
Ardour a couple of days ago, and by golly, that just worked too.
 
DanS <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> writes:

> Moshe Goldfarb <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:157i64ax9oq8z$.1dj8ysl6450oc$.dlg@40tude.net:
>
>>>> And thats the easy bit. There are many distro specific hacks and the
>>>> need to compile from CVS in many cases.
>>>
>>> I did absolutely nothing with my sound setup, in either Hardy or
>>> Gutsy, it all just worked. My use of sound is mostly watching movies
>>> or listening to music.
>>>
>>> i
>>
>> Try running Ardour and see what happens.
>
> Well, when I installed Ubuntu, the audio just, worked, and I just installed
> Ardour a couple of days ago, and by golly, that just worked too.

That's nice.

It didn't work for the fellow who replied to that "how to use apt-get"
"article" that Marti posted a link to.

What sound system are you using? What HW?
 
>Hadron
>is pulseaudio working with or against jack?!?!?

It works against JACK. JACK is essentially another variant upon the same idea
as Pulse Audio -- a sound daemon running on top of ALSA.

They all run on top of ALSA (well, except for really, really old stuff that
runs on top of OSS. But that stuff really is archaic and obsolete).

ALSA can do everything that JACK can do, but in a more complicated manner. JACK
was meant to simplify use of ALSA for audio (not MIDI. ALSA is both an audio
and MIDI API).

What you really want is for everyone to drop support for all these daemons and
instead use ALSA. Then you just use ALSA dmix plugin, and viola, you have what
you're looking for. Every time you encounter some software that makes sound,
but doesn't directly use ALSA, write the developers and ask them to directly
support ALSA. (And give them a link to my web page article about Linux audio
programming)
 
Hadron <hadronquark@googlemail.com> wrote in
news:ftmev7$1k1$1@registered.motzarella.org:

> DanS <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> writes:
>
>> Moshe Goldfarb <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:157i64ax9oq8z$.1dj8ysl6450oc$.dlg@40tude.net:
>>
>>>>> And thats the easy bit. There are many distro specific hacks and
>>>>> the need to compile from CVS in many cases.
>>>>
>>>> I did absolutely nothing with my sound setup, in either Hardy or
>>>> Gutsy, it all just worked. My use of sound is mostly watching
>>>> movies or listening to music.
>>>>
>>>> i
>>>
>>> Try running Ardour and see what happens.
>>
>> Well, when I installed Ubuntu, the audio just, worked, and I just
>> installed Ardour a couple of days ago, and by golly, that just worked
>> too.
>
> That's nice.
>
> It didn't work for the fellow who replied to that "how to use apt-get"
> "article" that Marti posted a link to.
>
> What sound system are you using? What HW?

Honestly, I have no clue as to what SS (and can't check right now),
whatever was installed when the OS was installed and detected it. It
worked properly right off the bat, so no reason to dig into it at all.

I'm sure I'd be able to tell you if I had a major problem and had to
troubleshoot it, but all went smooth.

The HW is a CreativeLabs ES1371 chipset, so I'm sure quite common. Well,
maybe not, it is a PCI card and not on-board.

I didn't use Ardour much, just to check it out to see if it worked. I
didn't build a large project or anything, but it accepted tracks, allowed
editing, mixing, etc. I didn't try recording with it though.

Ardour seems like a decent OSS application, comparable to some of the
commercial (not top-end though) Windows audio s/w just like it I have
used.
 
On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 21:36:00 -0400, Jeff Glatt wrote:

>>Hadron
>>is pulseaudio working with or against jack?!?!?
>
> It works against JACK. JACK is essentially another variant upon the same idea
> as Pulse Audio -- a sound daemon running on top of ALSA.
>
> They all run on top of ALSA (well, except for really, really old stuff that
> runs on top of OSS. But that stuff really is archaic and obsolete).
>
> ALSA can do everything that JACK can do, but in a more complicated manner. JACK
> was meant to simplify use of ALSA for audio (not MIDI. ALSA is both an audio
> and MIDI API).
>
> What you really want is for everyone to drop support for all these daemons and
> instead use ALSA. Then you just use ALSA dmix plugin, and viola, you have what
> you're looking for. Every time you encounter some software that makes sound,
> but doesn't directly use ALSA, write the developers and ask them to directly
> support ALSA. (And give them a link to my web page article about Linux audio
> programming)

That is the correct answer, but I strongly suspect the OP didn't know that
and now you've let the cat out of the bag so to speak :)

Actually I think of Jack as more of a tool to connect various pieces of the
audio software and hardware together at very low latency's.
For example piping the output of one program into another one.

I too support the notion of ONE system that works with little or no user
input.
The current scheme of things is far too complicated IMHO.



--
Moshe Goldfarb
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DanS <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> writes:

> Hadron <hadronquark@googlemail.com> wrote in
> news:ftmev7$1k1$1@registered.motzarella.org:
>
>> DanS <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> writes:
>>
>>> Moshe Goldfarb <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:157i64ax9oq8z$.1dj8ysl6450oc$.dlg@40tude.net:
>>>
>>>>>> And thats the easy bit. There are many distro specific hacks and
>>>>>> the need to compile from CVS in many cases.
>>>>>
>>>>> I did absolutely nothing with my sound setup, in either Hardy or
>>>>> Gutsy, it all just worked. My use of sound is mostly watching
>>>>> movies or listening to music.
>>>>>
>>>>> i
>>>>
>>>> Try running Ardour and see what happens.
>>>
>>> Well, when I installed Ubuntu, the audio just, worked, and I just
>>> installed Ardour a couple of days ago, and by golly, that just worked
>>> too.
>>
>> That's nice.
>>
>> It didn't work for the fellow who replied to that "how to use apt-get"
>> "article" that Marti posted a link to.
>>
>> What sound system are you using? What HW?
>
> Honestly, I have no clue as to what SS (and can't check right now),
> whatever was installed when the OS was installed and detected it. It
> worked properly right off the bat, so no reason to dig into it at all.

Please report back.

>
> I'm sure I'd be able to tell you if I had a major problem and had to
> troubleshoot it, but all went smooth.

Sure it did.

>
> The HW is a CreativeLabs ES1371 chipset, so I'm sure quite common. Well,
> maybe not, it is a PCI card and not on-board.


Uh huh.

>
> I didn't use Ardour much, just to check it out to see if it worked. I
> didn't build a large project or anything, but it accepted tracks, allowed
> editing, mixing, etc. I didn't try recording with it though.

So, you really dont know much about it at all?

>
> Ardour seems like a decent OSS application, comparable to some of the
> commercial (not top-end though) Windows audio s/w just like it I have
> used.

And yet you didn't record anything with it?

Uh, ok.
 
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