Re: Linux Opens up While Conquering the Phone Market "So WHERE THE HELL IS LINUX HIDING????????"

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On Nov 1, 8:26 pm, Roy Schestowitz <newsgro...@schestowitz.com> wrote:
> Coming Soon -- the Fully-Customizable Linux Phone
>
> ,----[ Quote ]
> | The Linux revolution is making a run for the smart phone market. This isn't
> | exactly new news. In fact, Linux started taking off in the cell phone market
> | in about 2003.


Does it run on the iPhone?
Please let us know what year the Linux phone reaches the first weeks
sales figures for the iPhone.

You Linux freaks are getting funnier by the hour!
 
Re: Linux Opens up While Conquering the Phone Market "So WHERE THEHELL IS LINUX HIDING????????"

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arkady.duntov@gmail.com wrote:

> You Linux freaks are getting funnier by the hour!


What's it like having to troll a Linux newsgroup just to earn a crust.
It makes me wonder why so much effort is spent it trashing forums like
these. Is it that the boss don't want you reading anything but praise
for the worlds biggest innovator ...
 
On Nov 1, 9:27 pm, arkady.dun...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Nov 1, 8:26 pm, Roy Schestowitz <newsgro...@schestowitz.com> wrote:
>
> > Coming Soon -- the Fully-Customizable Linux Phone

>
> > ,----[ Quote ]
> > | The Linux revolution is making a run for the smart phone market. This isn't
> > | exactly new news. In fact, Linux started taking off in the cell phone market
> > | in about 2003.

>
> Does it run on the iPhone?


Apple chose to put UNIX on the iPhone instead of Linux. I'm really
not even sure of that. Does anybody know more of the technical
details? Who knows?

> Please let us know what year the Linux phone reaches the first weeks
> sales figures for the iPhone.


Motorola has been selling Linux phones in Asia and Europe for years.
In the US, the Carriers are very fussy about not wanting phone buyers
to be able to switch carriers by swtiching CIM chips. In much of the
rest of the world, it's a requirement.

http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT9423084269.html

http://www.news.com/2100-1001-984424.html

http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,108556-page,1/article.html

http://www.tuxmobile.org/phones_linux.html

Keep in mind, none of these phones are going to give you a shell
prompt, or show the penguin Logo on the cover, it's not a license
requirement of Linux. Maybe that should be a stipulation of GPL-V3 is
that any product put the word GNU - in a prominant location on the
phone - Has Richard trademarked that?

> You Linux freaks are getting funnier by the hour!
 
On Nov 2, 7:13 am, Doug Mentohl <doug_ment...@linuxmail.org> wrote:
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> arkady.dun...@gmail.com wrote:
> > You Linux freaks are getting funnier by the hour!


> What's it like having to troll a Linux newsgroup just to earn a crust.
> It makes me wonder why so much effort is spent it trashing forums like
> these. Is it that the boss don't want you reading anything but praise
> for the worlds biggest innovator ...


World's biggest innovator? Seems like IBM, Kodak, AT&T/Lucent, GE,
and United Technologies would have something to say about that.

Microsoft has introduced a few innovations, which have made them a
very big company, and even more important, made Bill Gates the richest
man in the world, and Steve Ballmer the third richest man in the
world.

The first really big innovation was back in 1977. Bill Gates II had a
remarkable understanding of the brand new copyright law, the Copyright
Act of 1976. He understood that the new license provisions would give
a copyright owner a great deal of control not only over his
copyrighted works, but also if a company that used copyrighted
software. Bill Gates II was the father of the Billionaire.

Bill Gates III was able to obtain a backup copy of DEC BASIC, reverse
engineer it, and then figure out how to port it to the 8080. Not much
of an innovation at all. The innovation was when he had Paul Allen -
partner in BOTH MITS and the new Micro-Soft company sign an agreement
where MITS only LICENSED the software from Microsoft. A year later,
when it was time to renew the contract, Bill was able to demand
$150,000 in cash, up front, based on previous year sales, month-to-
month growth, and a "per box" price of $50 per box. THAT was actually
a HUGE innovation. Nobody had ever thought of such creative contracts
before, partly because the law that made it possible didn't EXIST
before.

This model worked so well, that Microsoft was able to use the same
strategy for Commodore, Tandy/Radio Shack, and eventually IBM.

Microsoft may have been one of the first to really turn fraud - aka
vaporware, into a successful business strategy. Remember, when Bill
Gates discussing a port of BASIC to the IBM PC, he told IBM that
Microsoft had an operating system they could port. Microsoft did have
an operating system called Xenix, but that wasn't the one Bill was
selling to IBM. The Operating system Bill was selling to IBM wasn't
owned by Microsoft.

QDOS wasn't much of an operating system, and the source code had
already been published in a magazine. Bill went to the author, who
had formed a very small company called Seattle Computer Company, and
offered him $150,000 for all rights to QDOS. At the time, nobody was
making really big money in Microcomputer software, so the owner/author
was happy to take what must have been like 5 years salary for a
programmer in those days, and get a quick "cash out".

Microsoft used that same innovation - only offering a LICENSE to the
software, not the copyright to the software itself, under terms that
allowed Microsoft to license it to other companies as well. Microsoft
set the "per box" price so low that IBM thought Bill was crazy.
Again, IBM was talking to a nerdy little kid with a squeaky voice. If
they realized that they were REALLY talking to a very successful
lawyer with a reputation for very effective "weasel contracts", they
might have been more careful. The face they were looking at was Bill
Gates III, but the lawyer reviewing and revising the contracts was
Bill Gates II. Another Microsoft "innovation" - start by taking a
ridiculously greedy position, appear to weaken, and have the legal
department carefully word the contract so that the other party APPEARS
to win, but add "minor little concessions" at the last minute, that
are the critical points of the contract, and then tell them to sign or
we'll just go home.

The next innovation was that Microsoft was able to license the IBM
technology to competitors who thought they were getting a huge deal.
IBM wanted about $2 per PC for the BIOS rights, and Microsoft was
willing to sell MS-DOS, but for a much higher price than they were
charging IBM. The innovation was to make it LOOK like these
competitors were getting SOMEONE ELSE's technology. If they had just
tried to sell these vendors MS-DOS, it wouldn't have been so popular.
But by making it seem like Microsoft had tricked IBM into letting them
sell the goodies to others, it made not only MS-DOS more popular but
also the IBM PC as WELL AS the Clone PCs.

The next big innovation was the way the company was incorporated.
First, Bill Gates II realized that if he wanted Bill Gates III to
inherit the company, there would be huge taxes. Instead, they made
"Trey" the big player, and "Duece" was just the company attorney (for
which he was paid a substantial sum of money and a smaller share of
the company).

When Microsoft went public, they only sold a very small percentage of
the company to the public. The remaining shares were split between
Bill, Paul, and Steve. The "tie breaker" was shares owned by the
Gates family - in case there was ever a power struggle. By only
having a very small number of outstanding shares, and not making the
majority of stock available to the public, the stock went as high as
if the most of the stock had been made public, which gave Bill, Paul,
and Steve a much higher PERSONAL net worth than would otherwise have
happened. Again, it was Bill Gates II who was the key, and Bill Gates
III who was able to make it look like he was a nerdy kid with a
squeaky voice who made a rediculous amount of money seemingly
overnight.

The next big "innovation" on the part of Microsoft, was the way they
dealt with Apple when they were writing software for the Mac. The
managed to get all sorts of information from Apple, without having to
restrict their activities to supporting the Mac. Apple couldn't very
well ask Microsoft to stop supporting MS-DOS because Microsoft had all
those other customers. At the same time, Apple needed applications
for the Mac and Bill was willing to learn more about how to program
for it. While he did that he found out about PARC, found out about
the freely availble software, and found out how to create his on GUI
system. It's ironic that Microsoft may have been able to reverse
engineer GEM and SunOS as well as SmallTalk and figure out how to make
all that work on MS-DOS.

The next big innovation from Microsoft was the whole "help system".
Context sensitive help wasn't new, Emacs had had it for years, but
Microsoft released Windows 3.0 and gave everybody a toll free number
they could use to call Microsoft when they needed help. Microsoft
translated the answers to all these frequently asked questions into
help tools in the form of pop-up bubbles, F1 help, Wizards, and
templates. They added dialogs to make networking (NET-BIOS) easier.
They did the same thing with Word, and Excel. When Windows 3.1 was
released, all of this extra help was now part of the application
code. The resulting code and applications were huge, but it did make
the computer easier to learn and use.

With the release of Windows 3.1 came the NEXT Microsoft innovation.
Microsoft knew that it would be in trouble if it actually tried to
"Bundle" Windows, Word, and Excel together, and only offer it in one
package, the federal trade commission had already investigated them on
similar issues a few years earlier. They also knew that if they
charged substantially more for Office, that many of the OEMs wouldn't
buy it. Microsoft solved the problem by offering a "combination
discount". They set the retail price of Windows rediculously high,
they set the price of Word and Excel very high, and then offered the
OEMs the choice of Windows alone for $120 and let customers pay $300
for Word, and $200 for Office (or $400 for WordPerfect and $300 for
Lotus 1-2-3), or pay $150 and give customers Windows AND Word AND
Excel. The catch was that they had to pre-install this combination of
software into every machine they sold. Again, this was a very
creative legal maneuver - possibly also the work of "Deuce". It
locked out Microsoft's competitors in 3 markets, and yet stayed within
the letter of the law.

When the FTC decided that this type of bundling was illegal, they
turned the problem over to the DOJ. The DOJ was willing to settle,
but three judges in a row decided that the settlement was
unacceptable. In the final settlement, it was the Legal team who came
up with yet another brilliant innovation. Microsoft agreed to stop
the "per processor licensing" but as a consession requested the right
to set the pricing of the software.

This opened the door for the next Microsoft Innovation - "Cliff Tiered
Pricing". Rather than requiring OEMs to install Windows in every
machine and defy the judge, Microsoft was allowed to set prices and
discount rates. Quantity discounts are not uncommon in any industry
and especially in the electronics industry. By 1000 units and you can
get it for 1/2 the single unit price, by 10,000 units and get 60% off,
and so on.

Microsoft had been doing business with most of these OEMs for over a
decade. They knew what the sales numbers were, expected volumes based
on growth rates, and manufacturing capacities. Microsoft also knew
that they couldn't get the OEMs to write a big huge $multibillion
check "up front", so they set up pricing based on "Minimum
Commitments". If an OEM agreed to buy a minimum number of machines
within the next year, they would get a bigger discount. Microsoft set
the prices such that buying 120% of your need, 20% MORE than you
needed, you could get it for the same price as if you had purchased
80% of what you needed with a smaller discount. There were a few
catches though. If you sold the PC with a disk, you had to preinstall
Windows and Office. Microsoft had to approve the configuration and
any configuration changes. If you needed to add special drivers,
Microsoft had to approve them. If you wanted to add additional
software, Microsoft had to approve it. This gave Microsoft almost
complete control of how OEM produced PC were configured for shipment.

In 1993 IBM was introducing OS/2 2.0 into the market, and wanted the
other OEMs to join in. The OEMs could have the option of installing
either Windows or OS/2, and OS/2 had the ability to run Windows 3.1
programs. Microsoft didn't want this option advertised, so they
decided to put a few more restrictions on the use of their trademarks
and logos. Microsoft added new clauses to the Windows licenses
stating that, to protect the Microsoft brand name, OEMs had to get
approval for any adds featuring Microsoft's trademarks and logos. The
OEMs learned very quickly that ads featuring competitor products
didn't get approved in time for the publication deadlines. On the
other hand, ads featuring ONLY Microsoft software products and
trademarks got approved almost immediately. Almost overnight, it
became almost impossible to find a computer ad that showed the ability
to order the PC with anything other than Windows and Office. Only IBM
was advertizing both, and even those ads were separate pages in the
magazine.

There are many other Microsoft "innovations", but there are very few
actual technology innovations. Several of these innovations have been
ruled as illegal by United States Federal Court judges, as well as
judges in other countries, but it often too years to make that
determination, during which time, Microsoft make piles of money.

Even today, Vista has very few actual innovations in terms of
technology. Most of the new features are 3rd-rate knock-offs of
superior products offered by competitors who were previously
unchallenged. On the other hand, there are numerous innovations in
the licensing agreements, marketing techniques, and monitoring and
enforcement of those licenses. Many of them will probably also be
ruled to be illegal if they are actually enforced, but it will take
years to sort out the legality, and meanwhile Microsoft will make
piles of money - as usual.
 
arkady.duntov@gmail.com wrote:
> On Nov 1, 8:26 pm, Roy Schestowitz <newsgro...@schestowitz.com> wrote:
>> Coming Soon -- the Fully-Customizable Linux Phone
>>
>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>> The Linux revolution is making a run for the smart phone market.
>>> This isn't exactly new news. In fact, Linux started taking off in
>>> the cell phone market in about 2003.

>
> Does it run on the iPhone?
> Please let us know what year the Linux phone reaches the first weeks
> sales figures for the iPhone.
>
> You Linux freaks are getting funnier by the hour!


You think that's funny, check this:

The government of Nigeria bought 17,000 laptops with Linux installed to
equip their elementary schools.

Nigeria plans to strip off that funny operating system and install XP on all
the machines.

http://www.computerworld.com/action...articleId=9045405&taxonomyId=64&intsrc=kc_top

The president of the company that supplied the custom version of Linux,
Mandriva, got his undies undone and wrote an open letter to Steve Ballmer:

http://blog.mandriva.com/2007/10/31/an-open-letter-to-steve-ballmer/

"How do you call what you just did Steve? There is [sic] various names for
it, I'm sure you know them."

As do I.
 
On Nov 2, 6:37 pm, "HeyBub" <hey...@gmail.com> wrote:
> arkady.dun...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Nov 1, 8:26 pm, Roy Schestowitz <newsgro...@schestowitz.com> wrote:
> >> Coming Soon -- the Fully-Customizable Linux Phone


> You think that's funny, check this:
>
> The government of Nigeria bought 17,000 laptops with Linux installed to
> equip their elementary schools.
>
> Nigeria plans to strip off that funny operating system and install XP on all
> the machines.
>
> http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBas...


What makes it even funnier is that Mandriva will get paid, whether
Nigeria replaces Mandriva with Windows or not. Mandriva was chosen
after a very careful and public bidding process, open competition,
evaluations, and selection criteria. Then, after everybody agreed
that Mandriva was the best choice, after Mandriva has the signed
contract, and after Mandriva commits the resources to delivery, Steve
Ballmer has a closed-door private meeting with a very small number of
people, and the result, with now review, no consultation of the
selection committee, and no explanation, is that Mandriva will be
replaced by Windows as soon as the machines are received.

What did Steve Ballmer say that could cause that kind of reaction?
Did he threaten to shut off the vaccinations from the Gates
Foundation? Did he make some sort of bribe? Did he offer to pay them
to do the replacement and offer Windows free of charge?

We've seen in the Ohio vs Microsoft memos that Microsoft has a "Win at
all costs" policy in these scenarios.

I think Mandriva is legally entitled to a public apology and a public
explanation as well as a full public disclosure of ALL of the
statements, promises, and made in those meetings with Steve Ballmer.

The open letter to Steve Ballmer wasn't actually to Steve, it was in
effect a public declaration of deceipt by the Nigerian government.
Mandriva poured a lot of resources into the project, helped with the
hardware development, and did a lot of the foundation work for and
with Intel. Now all of the sudden, there is a secret deal with
Microsoft that threatens to steal that technology away from Mandriva.
The leaders seem to think that a simple letter promising to make the
agreed payment is sufficient to eliminate the need for the same kind
of explanation that would be required for breach of contract.

What the customer doesn't seem to understand is that there were many
concessions made on the basis of non-monitary consideration. Anyone
who has ever bid a pilot project at below cost knows that the hope is
to be able to perform well, get a solid reputation for performance,
and then get additional orders in volumes and quantities that allow
the company to make a return on it's investment. All of the
competitors are doing the same thing, and often sell at below cost to
get the deal - Mandriva also did this.

For a client or customer to say "well, we'll take your hardware and
software you agreed to sell us at deeply discounted rates, but we'll
then remove your software and replace it with your competitor's
product - and buy HIS product in the future.

Microsoft had their chance to come in with a lower price and decided
not to do it. They had their chance to team with other vendors to
produce a $100 PC, and they didn't even come close, I think their
model was $188. Mandriva may have even put some of their own money
into the deal to get the price down to $100, and now Microsoft is
coming in and telling them "Take their subsidized PC, pay them for the
package so they can't force a rebid or disclosure, and then put our
software on, and we'll only charge you $1/PC for the software.

If the shoe had been on the other foot. If it had been Microsoft
bidding the subsidized PC, and Mandriva had said "take the subsidized
Microsoft PCs, then remove Windows and install Linux, Microsoft would
have been retaliating in every way imaginable. Heck, they might have
revoked all licenses to all Windows PCs being used by ALL government
offices.

Microsoft often does use this tactic against corporate customers who
threaten to purchase Windows PCs and replace Windows with Linux.
Often, the tactics are even more aggressive, such as demanding a
complete and immediate audit of all client and server licenses, which
is usually followed by a huge bill for CALs, under-documented
licenses, and even licenses for PCs used by employees and their
families at home. And then they threaten a lawsuit and public
declarations that the company is guiltty of piracy. The discussion
isn't with the entire board, usually just the CIO, and usually in a
place of Microsoft's choosing (to make sure there are no recording
devices), and then they offer him a deal he can't refuse. He can kill
the plans to switch to Linux, Microsoft will forget all about what
they found (but keep all of the records), and he can keep his job and
his freedom. The CIO understands at this point that if he does not
accept the deal, there is a good chance that he will be fired, and
there is even the chance that he will be prosecuted for piracy. At
minimum he has very slim chances of ever being hired as a CIO again.

It's a very polite form of blackmail. Microsoft tried this against
some officers at IBM, and the whole thing blew up and went public. As
soon as Microsoft threatened the audit, Lou and Sam were told. The
only reason Microsoft finally gave them Windows 95 was because FTC
officials were there at the unveiling and IBM's logo was prominantly
placed at the center of the backdrop. It makes me wonder if perhaps
IBM had suggested to the FTC that if they didn't have a contract by
the time the curtain went up, Microsoft would be guilty of fraud and
anyone on stage should be arrested for fraud.

When someone tries to blackmail you, the only chance you have of
staying clean is to go public the moment the threat is made.
Blackmail is only effective when you attempt to keep the "dirty little
secret" a secret.

> The president of the company that supplied the custom version of Linux,
> Mandriva, got his undies undone and wrote an open letter to Steve Ballmer:
>
> http://blog.mandriva.com/2007/10/31/an-open-letter-to-steve-ballmer/


By blowing the lid off the attempted "polite letter" and making it
wide open and public, but addressing the letter to Steve Ballmer,
Mandriva is giving the Nigerian government a chance to "come clean"
and offer the world an explanation of why they made the decision, and
why western businesses should continue to do business with Nigeria.

> "How do you call what you just did Steve? There is [sic] various names for
> it, I'm sure you know them."
>
> As do I.


It sound to me like fraud, extortion, and blackmail, with an attempt
at obstruction of justice on the part of Microsoft. By offering to
pay the agreed money, Mandriva can't force public disclosures in a
public court trial.

By addressing the letter to Steve Ballmer, rather than the goverment
official in Nigeria, it makes it clear that Mandriva is blaming
Ballmer, and allowing the Nigerian government to say "we were forced
to do it".

Needless to say, the EU is likely to be ever less friendly to
Microsoft after this.
They might even decide that the one time fee of $14,000 Euros is too
high, and that it should be reduced to $14 per viewer and only $14,000
for a distributor who publishes it in a Linux distribution.
 
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