Re: Linux Just Sucks.. No Wonder So Few Are Using It.

[dragunovguy]

Stephan
Will Autodesk Architecture and Revit Architecture work on Linux or
Ubuntu? Those are the two programs I make my living with and Autodesk
does not support Linux.
Do any of the popular FPS games like Ghost Recon, Halo, Splinter Cell,
or any of the top flight simulator games work on Linux or Ubuntu? When
I am not working those are the programs I like to play with.
I am asking because I genuinely want to know why I should ever
consider Linux. Most of the software offerings for Linux are pretty
lame. I know because I have friends that run Linux/Ubuntu and while
there are people trying to develop CAD programs and games that run on
a Linux box, none of those that I have seen would do me any good.
Quite honestly, I have a Vista Business running on a high end IBM
Intellistation that I can run the 2008 versions of the Autodesk
products I mentioned and they run very well. I cannot play any of my
favorite FPS or flight simulators on it, but I still have a dual Xeon,
4GB RAM machine running Win XP Pro that works great for those.
Should I switch to Linux just to get back at Microsoft and Gates? I
guess if you can be productive with Linux and get to use the programs
you want to with it maybe it is worth it. I cannot afford to because
my support from Autodesk and my reseller would be gone if I run those
products on Linux. I also do IT work for an architectural firm. They
keep saying they want to try a new MAC. That will be fine if they buy
one that is running Intel processors and Windows, because they use
Autodesk Architecture and Revit also. Those products do not run on a
Mac. Lots of people rag on Autodesk the same way a lot of the people
in this group rag on Microsoft. But when your living depends on
software you will run the OS and the software that makes you money.
I don't like the security problems with Windows and quite a few of the
other issues, but until the MAC/Linux/Ubuntu developers come up
software I can use I won't be switching.

Daryl
(In my lifetime)
four motorcycles, two race cars, one airplane

 

[caver1]

dragunovguy wrote:
> Stephan
> Will Autodesk Architecture and Revit Architecture work on Linux or
> Ubuntu? Those are the two programs I make my living with and Autodesk
> does not support Linux.
> Do any of the popular FPS games like Ghost Recon, Halo, Splinter Cell,
> or any of the top flight simulator games work on Linux or Ubuntu? When
> I am not working those are the programs I like to play with.
> I am asking because I genuinely want to know why I should ever
> consider Linux. Most of the software offerings for Linux are pretty
> lame. I know because I have friends that run Linux/Ubuntu and while
> there are people trying to develop CAD programs and games that run on
> a Linux box, none of those that I have seen would do me any good.
> Quite honestly, I have a Vista Business running on a high end IBM
> Intellistation that I can run the 2008 versions of the Autodesk
> products I mentioned and they run very well. I cannot play any of my
> favorite FPS or flight simulators on it, but I still have a dual Xeon,
> 4GB RAM machine running Win XP Pro that works great for those.
> Should I switch to Linux just to get back at Microsoft and Gates? I
> guess if you can be productive with Linux and get to use the programs
> you want to with it maybe it is worth it. I cannot afford to because
> my support from Autodesk and my reseller would be gone if I run those
> products on Linux. I also do IT work for an architectural firm. They
> keep saying they want to try a new MAC. That will be fine if they buy
> one that is running Intel processors and Windows, because they use
> Autodesk Architecture and Revit also. Those products do not run on a
> Mac. Lots of people rag on Autodesk the same way a lot of the people
> in this group rag on Microsoft. But when your living depends on
> software you will run the OS and the software that makes you money.
> I don't like the security problems with Windows and quite a few of the
> other issues, but until the MAC/Linux/Ubuntu developers come up
> software I can use I won't be switching.
>
> Daryl
> (In my lifetime)
> four motorcycles, two race cars, one airplane
>



I agree. My son depends on Autodesk.
Autodesk is worse than MS when it wants money.
But that is not Linux's fault that they won't port to Linux.
They could port to Linux and still charge.
caver1

 

[Stephan Rose]

On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 16:57:02 -0700, dragunovguy wrote:

> Stephan
> Will Autodesk Architecture and Revit Architecture work on Linux or
> Ubuntu? Those are the two programs I make my living with and Autodesk
> does not support Linux.
> Do any of the popular FPS games like Ghost Recon, Halo, Splinter Cell,
> or any of the top flight simulator games work on Linux or Ubuntu? When I
> am not working those are the programs I like to play with. I am asking
> because I genuinely want to know why I should ever consider Linux. Most
> of the software offerings for Linux are pretty lame. I know because I
> have friends that run Linux/Ubuntu and while there are people trying to
> develop CAD programs and games that run on a Linux box, none of those
> that I have seen would do me any good. Quite honestly, I have a Vista
> Business running on a high end IBM Intellistation that I can run the
> 2008 versions of the Autodesk products I mentioned and they run very
> well. I cannot play any of my favorite FPS or flight simulators on it,
> but I still have a dual Xeon, 4GB RAM machine running Win XP Pro that
> works great for those. Should I switch to Linux just to get back at
> Microsoft and Gates? I guess if you can be productive with Linux and get
> to use the programs you want to with it maybe it is worth it. I cannot
> afford to because my support from Autodesk and my reseller would be gone
> if I run those products on Linux. I also do IT work for an architectural
> firm. They keep saying they want to try a new MAC. That will be fine if
> they buy one that is running Intel processors and Windows, because they
> use Autodesk Architecture and Revit also. Those products do not run on a
> Mac. Lots of people rag on Autodesk the same way a lot of the people in
> this group rag on Microsoft. But when your living depends on software
> you will run the OS and the software that makes you money. I don't like
> the security problems with Windows and quite a few of the other issues,
> but until the MAC/Linux/Ubuntu developers come up software I can use I
> won't be switching.
>

Then...don't switch? It's that easy. You really think I personally care
what operating system you use? I honestly could not care less.

Couple of suggestions for you though:

First, learn to use paragraphs. It makes what you write much more
coherent and a lot easier to read.

Secondly, use the software and OS that meets your needs. Easy isn't it?

--
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[Charlie Tame]

Stephan Rose wrote:
> On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 16:57:02 -0700, dragunovguy wrote:
>
>> Stephan
>> Will Autodesk Architecture and Revit Architecture work on Linux or
>> Ubuntu? Those are the two programs I make my living with and Autodesk
>> does not support Linux.
>> Do any of the popular FPS games like Ghost Recon, Halo, Splinter Cell,
>> or any of the top flight simulator games work on Linux or Ubuntu? When I
>> am not working those are the programs I like to play with. I am asking
>> because I genuinely want to know why I should ever consider Linux. Most
>> of the software offerings for Linux are pretty lame. I know because I
>> have friends that run Linux/Ubuntu and while there are people trying to
>> develop CAD programs and games that run on a Linux box, none of those
>> that I have seen would do me any good. Quite honestly, I have a Vista
>> Business running on a high end IBM Intellistation that I can run the
>> 2008 versions of the Autodesk products I mentioned and they run very
>> well. I cannot play any of my favorite FPS or flight simulators on it,
>> but I still have a dual Xeon, 4GB RAM machine running Win XP Pro that
>> works great for those. Should I switch to Linux just to get back at
>> Microsoft and Gates? I guess if you can be productive with Linux and get
>> to use the programs you want to with it maybe it is worth it. I cannot
>> afford to because my support from Autodesk and my reseller would be gone
>> if I run those products on Linux. I also do IT work for an architectural
>> firm. They keep saying they want to try a new MAC. That will be fine if
>> they buy one that is running Intel processors and Windows, because they
>> use Autodesk Architecture and Revit also. Those products do not run on a
>> Mac. Lots of people rag on Autodesk the same way a lot of the people in
>> this group rag on Microsoft. But when your living depends on software
>> you will run the OS and the software that makes you money. I don't like
>> the security problems with Windows and quite a few of the other issues,
>> but until the MAC/Linux/Ubuntu developers come up software I can use I
>> won't be switching.
>>
>
> Then...don't switch? It's that easy. You really think I personally care
> what operating system you use? I honestly could not care less.
>
> Couple of suggestions for you though:
>
> First, learn to use paragraphs. It makes what you write much more
> coherent and a lot easier to read.
>
> Secondly, use the software and OS that meets your needs. Easy isn't it?
>
Hmmm... wonder how long it will be before WPA strikes

Actually this may be a sign of things to come...

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=869&num=1

 

[Stephan Rose]

On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 04:34:55 -0500, Charlie Tame wrote:

> Stephan Rose wrote:
>> On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 16:57:02 -0700, dragunovguy wrote:
>>
>>> Stephan
>>> Will Autodesk Architecture and Revit Architecture work on Linux or
>>> Ubuntu? Those are the two programs I make my living with and Autodesk
>>> does not support Linux.
>>> Do any of the popular FPS games like Ghost Recon, Halo, Splinter Cell,
>>> or any of the top flight simulator games work on Linux or Ubuntu? When
>>> I am not working those are the programs I like to play with. I am
>>> asking because I genuinely want to know why I should ever consider
>>> Linux. Most of the software offerings for Linux are pretty lame. I
>>> know because I have friends that run Linux/Ubuntu and while there are
>>> people trying to develop CAD programs and games that run on a Linux
>>> box, none of those that I have seen would do me any good. Quite
>>> honestly, I have a Vista Business running on a high end IBM
>>> Intellistation that I can run the 2008 versions of the Autodesk
>>> products I mentioned and they run very well. I cannot play any of my
>>> favorite FPS or flight simulators on it, but I still have a dual Xeon,
>>> 4GB RAM machine running Win XP Pro that works great for those. Should
>>> I switch to Linux just to get back at Microsoft and Gates? I guess if
>>> you can be productive with Linux and get to use the programs you want
>>> to with it maybe it is worth it. I cannot afford to because my support
>>> from Autodesk and my reseller would be gone if I run those products on
>>> Linux. I also do IT work for an architectural firm. They keep saying
>>> they want to try a new MAC. That will be fine if they buy one that is
>>> running Intel processors and Windows, because they use Autodesk
>>> Architecture and Revit also. Those products do not run on a Mac. Lots
>>> of people rag on Autodesk the same way a lot of the people in this
>>> group rag on Microsoft. But when your living depends on software you
>>> will run the OS and the software that makes you money. I don't like
>>> the security problems with Windows and quite a few of the other
>>> issues, but until the MAC/Linux/Ubuntu developers come up software I
>>> can use I won't be switching.
>>>
>>>
>> Then...don't switch? It's that easy. You really think I personally care
>> what operating system you use? I honestly could not care less.
>>
>> Couple of suggestions for you though:
>>
>> First, learn to use paragraphs. It makes what you write much more
>> coherent and a lot easier to read.
>>
>> Secondly, use the software and OS that meets your needs. Easy isn't it?
>>
> Hmmm... wonder how long it will be before WPA strikes
>
> Actually this may be a sign of things to come...
>
> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=869&num=1

Now *THAT* is just too cool. =)

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[Alfred]

On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 04:34:55 -0500, Charlie Tame <charlie@tames.net>
wrote:

>Stephan Rose wrote:
>> On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 16:57:02 -0700, dragunovguy wrote:
>>
>>> Stephan
>>> Will Autodesk Architecture and Revit Architecture work on Linux or
>>> Ubuntu? Those are the two programs I make my living with and Autodesk
>>> does not support Linux.
>>> Do any of the popular FPS games like Ghost Recon, Halo, Splinter Cell,
>>> or any of the top flight simulator games work on Linux or Ubuntu? When I
>>> am not working those are the programs I like to play with. I am asking
>>> because I genuinely want to know why I should ever consider Linux. Most
>>> of the software offerings for Linux are pretty lame. I know because I
>>> have friends that run Linux/Ubuntu and while there are people trying to
>>> develop CAD programs and games that run on a Linux box, none of those
>>> that I have seen would do me any good. Quite honestly, I have a Vista
>>> Business running on a high end IBM Intellistation that I can run the
>>> 2008 versions of the Autodesk products I mentioned and they run very
>>> well. I cannot play any of my favorite FPS or flight simulators on it,
>>> but I still have a dual Xeon, 4GB RAM machine running Win XP Pro that
>>> works great for those. Should I switch to Linux just to get back at
>>> Microsoft and Gates? I guess if you can be productive with Linux and get
>>> to use the programs you want to with it maybe it is worth it. I cannot
>>> afford to because my support from Autodesk and my reseller would be gone
>>> if I run those products on Linux. I also do IT work for an architectural
>>> firm. They keep saying they want to try a new MAC. That will be fine if
>>> they buy one that is running Intel processors and Windows, because they
>>> use Autodesk Architecture and Revit also. Those products do not run on a
>>> Mac. Lots of people rag on Autodesk the same way a lot of the people in
>>> this group rag on Microsoft. But when your living depends on software
>>> you will run the OS and the software that makes you money. I don't like
>>> the security problems with Windows and quite a few of the other issues,
>>> but until the MAC/Linux/Ubuntu developers come up software I can use I
>>> won't be switching.
>>>
>>
>> Then...don't switch? It's that easy. You really think I personally care
>> what operating system you use? I honestly could not care less.
>>
>> Couple of suggestions for you though:
>>
>> First, learn to use paragraphs. It makes what you write much more
>> coherent and a lot easier to read.
>>
>> Secondly, use the software and OS that meets your needs. Easy isn't it?
>>
>Hmmm... wonder how long it will be before WPA strikes
>
>Actually this may be a sign of things to come...
>
>http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=869&num=1
>
Commodore 64 for the 21 century?

It's probably the way things will go especially with ever larger
memory modules becoming available. Definitely for mobile computers.

 

[dennis@home]

"Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote in message
news:kNydnRCU0N45MJXanZ2dnUVZ8qjinZ2d@giganews.com...
> On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 04:34:55 -0500, Charlie Tame wrote:

>> Actually this may be a sign of things to come...
>>
>> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=869&num=1
>
> Now *THAT* is just too cool. =)

Its not new stuff though.
Quite a few machines have shipped with embedded software to use features
without starting windows.
They don't appear to be reasons why people buy a machine and I don't expect
many will flock to the ASUS one either.

Its a bit silly really.. its a high performance motherboard that is intended
for games so the buyer is going to want to run windows.. the buyer is more
likely to just use the windows installed.

 

[Stephan Rose]

On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 15:30:42 +0100, dennis@home wrote:

> "Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote in message
> news:kNydnRCU0N45MJXanZ2dnUVZ8qjinZ2d@giganews.com...
>> On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 04:34:55 -0500, Charlie Tame wrote:
>
>>> Actually this may be a sign of things to come...
>>>
>>> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=869&num=1
>>
>> Now *THAT* is just too cool. =)
>
> Its not new stuff though.
> Quite a few machines have shipped with embedded software to use features
> without starting windows.
> They don't appear to be reasons why people buy a machine and I don't
> expect many will flock to the ASUS one either.
>
> Its a bit silly really.. its a high performance motherboard that is
> intended for games so the buyer is going to want to run windows.. the
> buyer is more likely to just use the windows installed.

You just don't get it and probably never will, right?

Of course nobody is going to use this as their operating system so your
entire point you were trying to make just went down the drain.

The point of this whole thing is that this is possible to do with Linux
whereas it'd be impossible to do with something like Vista. When it comes
to embedded products, Windows just falls flat on it's face.

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[dennis@home]

"Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote in message
news:eKydnfJOxoshl5TaRVnyigA@giganews.com...
> On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 15:30:42 +0100, dennis@home wrote:
>
>> "Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote in message
>> news:kNydnRCU0N45MJXanZ2dnUVZ8qjinZ2d@giganews.com...
>>> On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 04:34:55 -0500, Charlie Tame wrote:
>>
>>>> Actually this may be a sign of things to come...
>>>>
>>>> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=869&num=1
>>>
>>> Now *THAT* is just too cool. =)
>>
>> Its not new stuff though.
>> Quite a few machines have shipped with embedded software to use features
>> without starting windows.
>> They don't appear to be reasons why people buy a machine and I don't
>> expect many will flock to the ASUS one either.
>>
>> Its a bit silly really.. its a high performance motherboard that is
>> intended for games so the buyer is going to want to run windows.. the
>> buyer is more likely to just use the windows installed.
>
> You just don't get it and probably never will, right?

You, as usual get the wrong end of the stick.

> Of course nobody is going to use this as their operating system so your
> entire point you were trying to make just went down the drain.
>
> The point of this whole thing is that this is possible to do with Linux
> whereas it'd be impossible to do with something like Vista. When it comes
> to embedded products, Windows just falls flat on it's face.

Who said it didn't fall flat on its face?
There are a few embedded windows products about BTW so it is not impossible.
What falls flat on its face is the idea of putting a mini preboot OS in a
PC.
Its been done before and it didn't work, I see no reason for this to change
ATM.
Now if they put a similar bit of software in a really cheap small MB and got
someone to manufacture a suitable matching touch screen things might be
different.

 

[Adam Albright]

On Sun, 7 Oct 2007 18:08:51 +0100, "dennis@home"
<dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:

>"Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote in message

>> You just don't get it and probably never will, right?
>
>You, as usual get the wrong end of the stick.

Your problem is you have a stick up your ass or is that your own head?

 

[dennis@home]

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
news:ut4ig3l06i8oevnsog5shp6v54corv7882@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 7 Oct 2007 18:08:51 +0100, "dennis@home"
> <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:
>
>>"Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote in message
>
>>> You just don't get it and probably never will, right?
>>
>>You, as usual get the wrong end of the stick.
>
> Your problem is you have a stick up your ass or is that your own head?
>
>
Your problem is you are irrational.
You will always do the wrong thing and look stupid so learn to live with it.
You may as well forget about giving out your advice too as everyone thinks
you are crazy and ignores you except for the odd moment they are bored and
want to play.

 

[Stephan Rose]

On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 18:08:51 +0100, dennis@home wrote:

> "Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote in message
> news:eKydnfJOxoshl5TaRVnyigA@giganews.com...
>> On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 15:30:42 +0100, dennis@home wrote:
>>
>>> "Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote in message
>>> news:kNydnRCU0N45MJXanZ2dnUVZ8qjinZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>> On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 04:34:55 -0500, Charlie Tame wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Actually this may be a sign of things to come...
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=869&num=1
>>>>
>>>> Now *THAT* is just too cool. =)
>>>
>>> Its not new stuff though.
>>> Quite a few machines have shipped with embedded software to use
>>> features without starting windows.
>>> They don't appear to be reasons why people buy a machine and I don't
>>> expect many will flock to the ASUS one either.
>>>
>>> Its a bit silly really.. its a high performance motherboard that is
>>> intended for games so the buyer is going to want to run windows.. the
>>> buyer is more likely to just use the windows installed.
>>
>> You just don't get it and probably never will, right?
>
> You, as usual get the wrong end of the stick.

Seeing how my end of the stick doesn't have much of windows on it, I like
it very much.

>
>> Of course nobody is going to use this as their operating system so your
>> entire point you were trying to make just went down the drain.
>>
>> The point of this whole thing is that this is possible to do with Linux
>> whereas it'd be impossible to do with something like Vista. When it
>> comes to embedded products, Windows just falls flat on it's face.
>
> Who said it didn't fall flat on its face? There are a few embedded
> windows products about BTW so it is not impossible. What falls flat on
> its face is the idea of putting a mini preboot OS in a PC.

Yea I know about WinCE. It's about the last environment I'd want to use
for any embedded product. Oh and, embedded software is among the software
I write for a living. Microsoft's embedded compiler is beyond outdated
dating back to Visual Studio 6 days. MS' newer environments are only able
to use the .Net Compact Framework for CE Development which is about as
inappropriate for embedded development as it can only get.

When I write embedded software I want and need low level access to my
hardware and every bit of speed I can find. Not a high-level abstracted
object oriented language with a garbage collector and runtime checking
and no direct hardware access that MS wants me to use.

Dunno what went over Microsoft's head there....

> Its been done before and it didn't work, I see no reason for this to
> change ATM.

Well it obviously isn't intended to be actually used as a daily use OS
for the computer. But I can quite well see the uses for diagnostics,
trouble shooting, or plain simple testing when I go to build a new
system. It also would make a far more excellent environment to do things
like reflash the bios from.

> Now if they put a similar bit of software in a really cheap small MB and
> got someone to manufacture a suitable matching touch screen things might
> be different.

Check out Ubuntu Mobile. It is intended for precisely *that* using Intel
hardware and just blows Windows CE out of the water.

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[dennis@home]

"Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 18:08:51 +0100, dennis@home wrote:
>
>> "Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote in message
>> news:eKydnfJOxoshl5TaRVnyigA@giganews.com...
>>> On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 15:30:42 +0100, dennis@home wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:kNydnRCU0N45MJXanZ2dnUVZ8qjinZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>>> On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 04:34:55 -0500, Charlie Tame wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Actually this may be a sign of things to come...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=869&num=1
>>>>>
>>>>> Now *THAT* is just too cool. =)
>>>>
>>>> Its not new stuff though.
>>>> Quite a few machines have shipped with embedded software to use
>>>> features without starting windows.
>>>> They don't appear to be reasons why people buy a machine and I don't
>>>> expect many will flock to the ASUS one either.
>>>>
>>>> Its a bit silly really.. its a high performance motherboard that is
>>>> intended for games so the buyer is going to want to run windows.. the
>>>> buyer is more likely to just use the windows installed.
>>>
>>> You just don't get it and probably never will, right?
>>
>> You, as usual get the wrong end of the stick.
>
> Seeing how my end of the stick doesn't have much of windows on it, I like
> it very much.
>
>>
>>> Of course nobody is going to use this as their operating system so your
>>> entire point you were trying to make just went down the drain.
>>>
>>> The point of this whole thing is that this is possible to do with Linux
>>> whereas it'd be impossible to do with something like Vista. When it
>>> comes to embedded products, Windows just falls flat on it's face.
>>
>> Who said it didn't fall flat on its face? There are a few embedded
>> windows products about BTW so it is not impossible. What falls flat on
>> its face is the idea of putting a mini preboot OS in a PC.
>
> Yea I know about WinCE. It's about the last environment I'd want to use
> for any embedded product. Oh and, embedded software is among the software
> I write for a living.

I used to do that before I did bigger and, maybe, better things.
I have written in ASM86, PLM86, C, java amongst others.
I quite liked RMX86 as a kernel myself.. did some X25 firmware in that.

> Microsoft's embedded compiler is beyond outdated
> dating back to Visual Studio 6 days. MS' newer environments are only able
> to use the .Net Compact Framework for CE Development which is about as
> inappropriate for embedded development as it can only get.
>
> When I write embedded software I want and need low level access to my
> hardware and every bit of speed I can find.

When you work on realtime control systems like telephone exchanges you have
different requirements to windows and Linux.
Linux sure doesn't give realtime responses in the varieties most people talk
about here so just because someone calls it linux doesn't mean it is linux.

> Not a high-level abstracted
> object oriented language with a garbage collector and runtime checking
> and no direct hardware access that MS wants me to use.

Write a driver then.. that's what I did when I needed real-time response in
Unix.
Its not a problem if you need to do it.

>
> Dunno what went over Microsoft's head there....
>
>> Its been done before and it didn't work, I see no reason for this to
>> change ATM.
>
> Well it obviously isn't intended to be actually used as a daily use OS
> for the computer. But I can quite well see the uses for diagnostics,
> trouble shooting, or plain simple testing when I go to build a new
> system. It also would make a far more excellent environment to do things
> like reflash the bios from.

It might be a bit risky if its in the same rom as the bios.

>> Now if they put a similar bit of software in a really cheap small MB and
>> got someone to manufacture a suitable matching touch screen things might
>> be different.
>
> Check out Ubuntu Mobile. It is intended for precisely *that* using Intel
> hardware and just blows Windows CE out of the water.

No need really, its fairly easy to write a run to completion real time
scheduler.

 

[Adam Albright]

On Sun, 7 Oct 2007 18:35:00 +0100, "dennis@home"
<dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:

>
>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
>news:ut4ig3l06i8oevnsog5shp6v54corv7882@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 7 Oct 2007 18:08:51 +0100, "dennis@home"
>> <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:
>>
>>>"Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote in message
>>
>>>> You just don't get it and probably never will, right?
>>>
>>>You, as usual get the wrong end of the stick.
>>
>> Your problem is you have a stick up your ass or is that your own head?
>>
>>
>Your problem is you are irrational.
>You will always do the wrong thing and look stupid so learn to live with it.
>You may as well forget about giving out your advice too as everyone thinks
>you are crazy and ignores you except for the odd moment they are bored and
>want to play.

Play with this:

http://usversusthem.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/bush-finger.jpg

While I never would try to speak for others, I think the sentiment
Bush is conveying in the above image is typical of what most think of
blowhards like you.

 

[dennis@home]

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
news:dtaig3h22dd216culv270otdmgj40lt7fs@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 7 Oct 2007 18:35:00 +0100, "dennis@home"
> <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
>>news:ut4ig3l06i8oevnsog5shp6v54corv7882@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 7 Oct 2007 18:08:51 +0100, "dennis@home"
>>> <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>>>> You just don't get it and probably never will, right?
>>>>
>>>>You, as usual get the wrong end of the stick.
>>>
>>> Your problem is you have a stick up your ass or is that your own head?
>>>
>>>
>>Your problem is you are irrational.
>>You will always do the wrong thing and look stupid so learn to live with
>>it.
>>You may as well forget about giving out your advice too as everyone thinks
>>you are crazy and ignores you except for the odd moment they are bored and
>>want to play.
>
> Play with this:
>
> http://usversusthem.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/bush-finger.jpg
>
> While I never would try to speak for others, I think the sentiment
> Bush is conveying in the above image is typical of what most think of
> blowhards like you.
>

How come everything you say could be about you.. no probably is about you?
Do you have some sort of mental problem that requires you to keep saying
things that are true of you but that you need to attach to others? Maybe to
convince yourself that you are normal?
I bet you could tell us the name if you read your notes again.