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Hadron wrote:
> caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> writes:
>
>> Hadron wrote:
>>> Stephan Rose <nospam@spammer.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 10:35:30 -0400, nospam wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ignoramus10476 wrote:
>>>>>> I used fedora for years and switched to Ubuntu. It is very well put
>>>>>> together and works much more smoothly than Fedora. It does have some
>>>>>> real benefits that accrue to users like me.
>>>>> I, too, agree that Ubuntu is more polished than the rest of the Linux
>>>>> distributions, but until big application makers such as Adobe and
>>>>> others support it with their first class applications, Linux is
>>>>> nothing, unfortunately
>>>> Actually Adobe and others are fairly irrelevant.
>>>>
>>>> Sticking with Adobe, let's look at Photoshop.
>>>>
>>>> Other than graphics artists and related people, who actually
>>>> legally and legitimately owns and uses Photoshop? What percentage
>>>> of people is there that actually can use Photoshop to it's fullest
>>>> extend? I know I sure can't. I'm lucky if I can manage to draw a
>>>> straight line.
>>>>
>>>> There is plenty of software in existence that can meet the needs of
>>>> the average person. The biggest thing that Photoshop simply has
>>>> going for itself is the name.
>>>
>>> What utter nonsense. There are hundreds of thousand professional artists
>>> who use it. Your, and mine, ignorance of its usage should not be used as
>>> a justified reason to dispute its importance.
>>>
>>>> Now how about accounting?
>>>>
>>>> Sure, there is Quickbooks and the people I know in Accounting love
>>>> some features about it. I also hear them curse and absolutely hate
>>>> some other things about it. So it's got it's good and bad parts.
>>>
>>> No news there.
>>>
>>>> But what about home users? Personally, I just use Gnucash and call
>>>> it a day. I can enter all my expenses and bills and categorize
>>>> things the way I want. And, it's got more graphs and reports to
>>>> show with than I even know what they all mean. About the only
>>>> report I give a crap about is the expense barchart so I can see
>>>> where my expenses are and what may be worth looking at for
>>>> improvement....So even if this program doesn't have all the
>>>> features Quickbooks has, it already has more than I'll ever
>>>> need...
>>>
>>> For home use, maybe fine. Does you local tax office except it though?
>>> Mine doesn't.
>>>
>>>> Office?
>>>>
>>>> Sure, Ms Office has some neat features. But let's be
>>>> realistic....who needs a $300-$400 office package in order to write
>>>> a letter to
>>>> grandma?
>>>
>>> Huh? What are you waffling on about? O paid significantly less than that
>>> and used word/excel for all sorts of things same as I now do with the
>>> inferior OO equivalents.
>>>
>>>> Point that I'm trying to get across is, while all these high end
>>>> packages may have some neat features that surely there are people
>>>> out there, especially in the business world and maybe even on
>>>> occasion in the home user world, who wouldn't want to or can't live
>>>> without....for the masses at home, in my opinion, they are beyond
>>>> overkill.
>>>
>>> I tend to agree in some cases.
>>>
>>>> And so far, I've always been shown to be correct on that when
>>>> introducing average people with little to know technical knowledge
>>>> of any kind to Linux. It's those people, the people many windows
>>>> advocates would claim could never handle linux because it's too
>>>> complicated, that I've seen to best with it and none of them would
>>>> want to return to windows.
>>>
>>> Unless they wanted proper connectivity with their PDA, their mobile or
>>> wanted to play the latest games. I agree.
>>>
>>>> In some cases, they've even come to me and told me how they've had
>>>> relatives switch away from windows based on their recommendation,
>>>> completely uninfluenced and unassisted by me. Gee, can't be that
>>>> complicated after all I suppose?
>>>
>>> I wouldn't say its necessarily complicated. I would say that not enough
>>> "new gadgets" have decent Linux support though. The wireless scene is
>>> still a mess IMO. And the video card support can still be hairy unless
>>> you use a "non conforming to ideology" release like Ubuntu.
>>>
>>> Who here syncs their phone on Linux? I worked out my own way and posted
>>> it here with ivman. (Oh I know I dont really use linux according to the
>>> COLA morons). But things like that screw up people thinking of moving.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> You are both right to an extent. Yes there are quite a few good
>> Windows based products. Yes Linux has a ways to go. But Linux is
>> trying where as most windows based products with MS in the lead are
>> now only trying to protect their bottom line.
>> There are many things in Ubuntu that (to me) are easier to figure out
>> how to use and yes faster. I know Hadron you don't agree.
>
> Incorrect. I do agree. There are many "pluses" for Linux. But not enough
> to make it worthwhile for most people who already use Windows.
>
Bullshitter! Everybody who I know that is now using Ubuntu, used to use
Windoze. They like Ubuntu better and none have ever expressed any desire to
go back to Windoze. Ever.
Cheers.
--
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> caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> writes:
>
>> Hadron wrote:
>>> Stephan Rose <nospam@spammer.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 10:35:30 -0400, nospam wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ignoramus10476 wrote:
>>>>>> I used fedora for years and switched to Ubuntu. It is very well put
>>>>>> together and works much more smoothly than Fedora. It does have some
>>>>>> real benefits that accrue to users like me.
>>>>> I, too, agree that Ubuntu is more polished than the rest of the Linux
>>>>> distributions, but until big application makers such as Adobe and
>>>>> others support it with their first class applications, Linux is
>>>>> nothing, unfortunately
>>>> Actually Adobe and others are fairly irrelevant.
>>>>
>>>> Sticking with Adobe, let's look at Photoshop.
>>>>
>>>> Other than graphics artists and related people, who actually
>>>> legally and legitimately owns and uses Photoshop? What percentage
>>>> of people is there that actually can use Photoshop to it's fullest
>>>> extend? I know I sure can't. I'm lucky if I can manage to draw a
>>>> straight line.
>>>>
>>>> There is plenty of software in existence that can meet the needs of
>>>> the average person. The biggest thing that Photoshop simply has
>>>> going for itself is the name.
>>>
>>> What utter nonsense. There are hundreds of thousand professional artists
>>> who use it. Your, and mine, ignorance of its usage should not be used as
>>> a justified reason to dispute its importance.
>>>
>>>> Now how about accounting?
>>>>
>>>> Sure, there is Quickbooks and the people I know in Accounting love
>>>> some features about it. I also hear them curse and absolutely hate
>>>> some other things about it. So it's got it's good and bad parts.
>>>
>>> No news there.
>>>
>>>> But what about home users? Personally, I just use Gnucash and call
>>>> it a day. I can enter all my expenses and bills and categorize
>>>> things the way I want. And, it's got more graphs and reports to
>>>> show with than I even know what they all mean. About the only
>>>> report I give a crap about is the expense barchart so I can see
>>>> where my expenses are and what may be worth looking at for
>>>> improvement....So even if this program doesn't have all the
>>>> features Quickbooks has, it already has more than I'll ever
>>>> need...
>>>
>>> For home use, maybe fine. Does you local tax office except it though?
>>> Mine doesn't.
>>>
>>>> Office?
>>>>
>>>> Sure, Ms Office has some neat features. But let's be
>>>> realistic....who needs a $300-$400 office package in order to write
>>>> a letter to
>>>> grandma?
>>>
>>> Huh? What are you waffling on about? O paid significantly less than that
>>> and used word/excel for all sorts of things same as I now do with the
>>> inferior OO equivalents.
>>>
>>>> Point that I'm trying to get across is, while all these high end
>>>> packages may have some neat features that surely there are people
>>>> out there, especially in the business world and maybe even on
>>>> occasion in the home user world, who wouldn't want to or can't live
>>>> without....for the masses at home, in my opinion, they are beyond
>>>> overkill.
>>>
>>> I tend to agree in some cases.
>>>
>>>> And so far, I've always been shown to be correct on that when
>>>> introducing average people with little to know technical knowledge
>>>> of any kind to Linux. It's those people, the people many windows
>>>> advocates would claim could never handle linux because it's too
>>>> complicated, that I've seen to best with it and none of them would
>>>> want to return to windows.
>>>
>>> Unless they wanted proper connectivity with their PDA, their mobile or
>>> wanted to play the latest games. I agree.
>>>
>>>> In some cases, they've even come to me and told me how they've had
>>>> relatives switch away from windows based on their recommendation,
>>>> completely uninfluenced and unassisted by me. Gee, can't be that
>>>> complicated after all I suppose?
>>>
>>> I wouldn't say its necessarily complicated. I would say that not enough
>>> "new gadgets" have decent Linux support though. The wireless scene is
>>> still a mess IMO. And the video card support can still be hairy unless
>>> you use a "non conforming to ideology" release like Ubuntu.
>>>
>>> Who here syncs their phone on Linux? I worked out my own way and posted
>>> it here with ivman. (Oh I know I dont really use linux according to the
>>> COLA morons). But things like that screw up people thinking of moving.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> You are both right to an extent. Yes there are quite a few good
>> Windows based products. Yes Linux has a ways to go. But Linux is
>> trying where as most windows based products with MS in the lead are
>> now only trying to protect their bottom line.
>> There are many things in Ubuntu that (to me) are easier to figure out
>> how to use and yes faster. I know Hadron you don't agree.
>
> Incorrect. I do agree. There are many "pluses" for Linux. But not enough
> to make it worthwhile for most people who already use Windows.
>
Bullshitter! Everybody who I know that is now using Ubuntu, used to use
Windoze. They like Ubuntu better and none have ever expressed any desire to
go back to Windoze. Ever.
Cheers.
--
The world can't afford the rich.
Q: What OS is built for lusers?
A: Which one requires running lusermgr.msc to create them?
Francis (Frank) adds a new "gadget" to his Vista box ...
Download it here: http://tinyurl.com/2hnof6
