Re: "End of Life" announcement for Ubuntu 6.10

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Moshe Goldfarb

On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:27:39 +0100, Roy Schestowitz wrote:

> ____/ Darth Chaos on Monday 31 March 2008 08:00 : \____
>
>> http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntu610end-of-life
>
> Oh noes! It's been almost 2 years. How much will to cost to upgrade?
> [sarcasm /] Get the checkbook ready. The nice thing is that upgrading a
> GNU/Linux distribution such as Ubuntu can be done as soon as the subsequent
> release comes out. No need for burning any CDs assuming you have an internet
> connection. Upgrade 'on tap'...

Yet Microsoft keeps supporting XP for how many years now?

As usual the career student, Roy Schestowitz, has absolutely no idea how
the real world works.

Think time Roy.
Think time...
Time to upgrade.
Time is money.
Think of the rag tag nature of Linux where nobody is held accountable and
backward compatibility with older versions of software is a crap shoot.
Etc.

You're just the kind of boob that would take the latest version of Linux,
put 200 CD's in the server rooms servers on Sunday afternoon and reboot
them all at midnight hoping everything would be up and running Monday
morning at 8:00AM.

And when nothing worked, you would be out of a job.

Of course that would never happen because you'll never be able to get a
job, other than a paid spammer that is.


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On 2008-03-31, Moshe Goldfarb <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:27:39 +0100, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>
>> ____/ Darth Chaos on Monday 31 March 2008 08:00 : \____
>>
>>> http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntu610end-of-life
>>
>> Oh noes! It's been almost 2 years. How much will to cost to upgrade?
>> [sarcasm /] Get the checkbook ready. The nice thing is that upgrading a
>> GNU/Linux distribution such as Ubuntu can be done as soon as the subsequent
>> release comes out. No need for burning any CDs assuming you have an internet
>> connection. Upgrade 'on tap'...
>
> Yet Microsoft keeps supporting XP for how many years now?
>
> As usual the career student, Roy Schestowitz, has absolutely no idea how
> the real world works.
>
> Think time Roy.
> Think time...
> Time to upgrade.
> Time is money.
> Think of the rag tag nature of Linux where nobody is held accountable and
> backward compatibility with older versions of software is a crap shoot.
> Etc.
>
> You're just the kind of boob that would take the latest version of Linux,
> put 200 CD's in the server rooms servers on Sunday afternoon and reboot
> them all at midnight hoping everything would be up and running Monday
> morning at 8:00AM.
>
> And when nothing worked, you would be out of a job.
>
> Of course that would never happen because you'll never be able to get a
> job, other than a paid spammer that is.
>
>

Keep in mind that Ubuntu does offer long term support versions. The
server version of Hardy (to come out this month) will be supported
until 2013. It is not unreasonable, especially given that you can
upgrade with just a couple of commands.

i
 
On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:01:24 -0500, Ignoramus7016 wrote:


> Keep in mind that Ubuntu does offer long term support versions. The
> server version of Hardy (to come out this month) will be supported
> until 2013. It is not unreasonable, especially given that you can
> upgrade with just a couple of commands.
>
> i

Sure you can.
The question is will it work and how much will it break.

The same can be said of Windows BTW.

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On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:34:50 -0500, Ignoramus7016 wrote:


> Yep. But with this computer, I can easily afford to fsck up.
>
> What I have is a couple of scripts that set up any computer to exactly
> the way I want, they install stuff, get my personal code, edit config
> files, set up user faces, etc, depending on roles chosen for this
> particular machine (kid's laptop of webserver etc). So rebuilding a
> server is very easy and I know that I will not forget to do something,
> since it is all done automatically.

Make a backup of your /home directory, assuming your scripts live there.
It all depends upon what has changed in the new version as to whether or
not your scripts will work or not.
Linux is a fast moving target.


>>>> The same can be said of Windows BTW.
>>>
>>> So you can in-place upgrade XP to Vista, say? Will the server type
>>> stuff continue to run?
>>>
>>> i
>>
>> It *should* but I woudn't recommend doing it though just like I don't
>> recommend upgrading Linux to a completely new version.
>>
>> A fresh install, of both platforms, is ALWAYS a better idea especially in
>> mission critical settings.
>
> While I agree with that, and that was the case for me previously, I am
> anxious to try an in-place upgrade. The downside for me is minimal.

Give it a try and see what happens.
Report back in the ubuntu group so your experiences may help others.




> i


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On 2008-03-31, Moshe Goldfarb <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:34:50 -0500, Ignoramus7016 wrote:
>
>
>> Yep. But with this computer, I can easily afford to fsck up.
>>
>> What I have is a couple of scripts that set up any computer to exactly
>> the way I want, they install stuff, get my personal code, edit config
>> files, set up user faces, etc, depending on roles chosen for this
>> particular machine (kid's laptop of webserver etc). So rebuilding a
>> server is very easy and I know that I will not forget to do something,
>> since it is all done automatically.
>
> Make a backup of your /home directory, assuming your scripts live there.
> It all depends upon what has changed in the new version as to whether or
> not your scripts will work or not.
> Linux is a fast moving target.

scripts are all in my CVS and I do not really need to backup /home on
that computer. It will be all restored by my scripts, including
..bashrc etc.

>
>>>>> The same can be said of Windows BTW.
>>>>
>>>> So you can in-place upgrade XP to Vista, say? Will the server type
>>>> stuff continue to run?
>>>>
>>>> i
>>>
>>> It *should* but I woudn't recommend doing it though just like I don't
>>> recommend upgrading Linux to a completely new version.
>>>
>>> A fresh install, of both platforms, is ALWAYS a better idea especially in
>>> mission critical settings.
>>
>> While I agree with that, and that was the case for me previously, I am
>> anxious to try an in-place upgrade. The downside for me is minimal.
>
> Give it a try and see what happens.
> Report back in the ubuntu group so your experiences may help others.

I promise to honestly report my results. I have just started.

i
 
On 2008-03-31, Moshe Goldfarb <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:34:50 -0500, Ignoramus7016 wrote:
>
>
>> Yep. But with this computer, I can easily afford to fsck up.
>>
>> What I have is a couple of scripts that set up any computer to exactly
>> the way I want, they install stuff, get my personal code, edit config
>> files, set up user faces, etc, depending on roles chosen for this
>> particular machine (kid's laptop of webserver etc). So rebuilding a
>> server is very easy and I know that I will not forget to do something,
>> since it is all done automatically.
>
> Make a backup of your /home directory, assuming your scripts live there.
> It all depends upon what has changed in the new version as to whether or
> not your scripts will work or not.
> Linux is a fast moving target.
>
>
>>>>> The same can be said of Windows BTW.
>>>>
>>>> So you can in-place upgrade XP to Vista, say? Will the server type
>>>> stuff continue to run?
>>>>
>>>> i
>>>
>>> It *should* but I woudn't recommend doing it though just like I don't
>>> recommend upgrading Linux to a completely new version.
>>>
>>> A fresh install, of both platforms, is ALWAYS a better idea especially in
>>> mission critical settings.
>>
>> While I agree with that, and that was the case for me previously, I am
>> anxious to try an in-place upgrade. The downside for me is minimal.
>
> Give it a try and see what happens.
> Report back in the ubuntu group so your experiences may help others.
>

See my separate post titled "DONE -- in-place upgrade from Gutsy to
Hardy". While I have not yet been able to verify that GUI stuff works,
since I am away and can only use ssh, at least the system was not
fully hosed.

i
 
Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>> Darth Chaos wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntu610end-of-life
>>
>> Oh noes! It's been almost 2 years. How much will to cost to
>> upgrade? [sarcasm /] Get the checkbook ready. The nice thing is
>> that upgrading a GNU/Linux distribution such as Ubuntu can be
>> done as soon as the subsequent release comes out. No need for
>> burning any CDs assuming you have an internet connection.
>> Upgrade 'on tap'...
>
> Yet Microsoft keeps supporting XP for how many years now?

However UBUNTU 6.06 (the long-term issue) is still supported.

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Try the download section.



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CBFalconer <cbfalconer@yahoo.com> writes:

> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>> Darth Chaos wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntu610end-of-life
>>>
>>> Oh noes! It's been almost 2 years. How much will to cost to
>>> upgrade? [sarcasm /] Get the checkbook ready. The nice thing is
>>> that upgrading a GNU/Linux distribution such as Ubuntu can be
>>> done as soon as the subsequent release comes out. No need for
>>> burning any CDs assuming you have an internet connection.
>>> Upgrade 'on tap'...
>>
>> Yet Microsoft keeps supporting XP for how many years now?
>
> However UBUNTU 6.06 (the long-term issue) is still supported.
>
> --
> [mail]: Chuck F (cbfalconer at maineline dot net)
> [page]: <http://cbfalconer.home.att.net>
> Try the download section.

And hopefully in that time period you will somehow sort out your double signature.

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debian.
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Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:27:39 +0100, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>
>> ____/ Darth Chaos on Monday 31 March 2008 08:00 : \____
>>
>>> http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntu610end-of-life
>> Oh noes! It's been almost 2 years. How much will to cost to upgrade?
>> [sarcasm /] Get the checkbook ready. The nice thing is that upgrading a
>> GNU/Linux distribution such as Ubuntu can be done as soon as the subsequent
>> release comes out. No need for burning any CDs assuming you have an internet
>> connection. Upgrade 'on tap'...
>
> Yet Microsoft keeps supporting XP for how many years now?

You're comparing apples (a distribution obtainable for free where the
upgrade is, as described, only a mouseclick away) with oranges (a
"distribution" where each release costs you $s and may require replacing
hardware).

If Canonical decides not to support something they give away for free
and people have to download and switch to a newer release without having
to pay for it in any way, it's nothing more than a nuisance for the users.

If Microsoft decides not to support XP any more, then people are must
shell out some cash to get Vista.

BTW The Nuisance of switching from one to the next is there in both cases.

I rather click on the "Upgrade" button and keep the dough.

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Josef Moellers wrote:

> I rather click on the "Upgrade" button and keep the dough.

And the superior OS.

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Josef Moellers wrote:

> If Microsoft decides not to support XP any more, then people are must
> shell out some cash to get Vista.
>
> BTW The Nuisance of switching from one to the next is there in both cases.
>
> I rather click on the "Upgrade" button and keep the dough.

But don't forget that when you pay for Windows, you have a chance of
getting back some of your money years later as an award in an antitrust
class-action suit.
 
Matt <matt@themattfella.xxxyyz.com> writes:

> Josef Moellers wrote:
>
>> If Microsoft decides not to support XP any more, then people are
>> must shell out some cash to get Vista.
>>
>> BTW The Nuisance of switching from one to the next is there in both cases.
>>
>> I rather click on the "Upgrade" button and keep the dough.
>
> But don't forget that when you pay for Windows, you have a chance of
> getting back some of your money years later as an award in an
> antitrust class-action suit.

Aha. You are losing it. One can always tell the loons. They start
muttering about "class-action" suits.
 
On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 09:24:53 +0200, Josef Moellers
<josef.moellers@fujitsu-siemens.com> wrote:


>
>If Microsoft decides not to support XP any more, then people are must
>shell out some cash to get Vista.
>

Bull. I have XPPro on one laptop and it works just fine. If they
never put out an update from now on, it would still work! Until it no
longer does and then I would reload from the restore disks.

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* Matt peremptorily fired off this memo:

> Josef Moellers wrote:
>
>> If Microsoft decides not to support XP any more, then people are must
>> shell out some cash to get Vista.
>>
>> BTW The Nuisance of switching from one to the next is there in both cases.
>>
>> I rather click on the "Upgrade" button and keep the dough.
>
> But don't forget that when you pay for Windows, you have a chance of
> getting back some of your money years later as an award in an antitrust
> class-action suit.

That's like getting your clothes ruined by a washing machine and getting
back a $23 class-action settlement award.

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____/ Linonut on Wednesday 02 April 2008 02:14 : \____

> * Matt peremptorily fired off this memo:
>
>> Josef Moellers wrote:
>>
>>> If Microsoft decides not to support XP any more, then people are must
>>> shell out some cash to get Vista.
>>>
>>> BTW The Nuisance of switching from one to the next is there in both cases.
>>>
>>> I rather click on the "Upgrade" button and keep the dough.
>>
>> But don't forget that when you pay for Windows, you have a chance of
>> getting back some of your money years later as an award in an antitrust
>> class-action suit.
>
> That's like getting your clothes ruined by a washing machine and getting
> back a $23 class-action settlement award.

Sounds like money laundering. Is that legal?

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Hadron wrote:
> Matt <matt@themattfella.xxxyyz.com> writes:
>
>> Josef Moellers wrote:
>>
>>> If Microsoft decides not to support XP any more, then people are
>>> must shell out some cash to get Vista.
>>>
>>> BTW The Nuisance of switching from one to the next is there in both cases.
>>>
>>> I rather click on the "Upgrade" button and keep the dough.
>> But don't forget that when you pay for Windows, you have a chance of
>> getting back some of your money years later as an award in an
>> antitrust class-action suit.
>
> Aha. You are losing it. One can always tell the loons. They start
> muttering about "class-action" suits.

A lot of judges and juries and attorneys and class members plonk you, to
the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars awarded.

I thought you'd be happy that I was pointing out that Windows' TCO is
often lower than it looks. But funny---I don't think the antitrust
actions were mentioned in the Get the Facts campaign.
 
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