People Would Rather Pay For Windows Than Use Linux.

[chrisv]

Bullwinkle wrote:

>"Frank Kirk" wrote:
>>
>> dont.pullout@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>
>>> So why the hell is Linux's desktop useage hovering around 1 percent?
>>> Why does Microsoft still have 95 to 98 percent of the market?
>>
>> Because 95 to 98 percent of the people are incapable of thinking for
>> themselves?
>
>I suppose you would rather have folks play with computers rather than use
>them for constructive purposes such as business or communication. You want
>to be able to get into the systems and play with that rather than use the
>system for what it was intended.
>
>Good luck and have a good time and let us get along with our work.

You've got the right attitude. "What, me worry?", as Micro$oft wraps
it's tentacles around your data and snuffs-out all potential
competitors...

 

[Kerry Brown]

"Gregory Shearman" <ZekeGregory@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:1616666.b6vf69phXH@netscape.net...
> Sven Geier wrote:
>
>> dont.pullout@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>> Linux is free.
>>> Windows is not.
>>> Linux has been free for a long time while Microsoft stagnated with
>>> Windows XP.
>>> Linux is free.
>> [...]
>>>
>>> Why?
>>
>> 1) You may be mistaken with the "windows costs money" line of reasoning.
>> See right here: http://articles.tlug.jp/Windows_Is_Free
>>
>> 2) The wife just bought a laptop. It came with Windows on it. It just
>> works. Why would she go to the trouble of erasing a perfectly functioning
>> OS just to install another one? The apps that she likes (like OpenOffice
>> or Firefox) can be downloaded for Windows just as well as for Linux. What
>> motivation would she have to "switch"?
>>
>>
>> Just thinking out loud here...
>
> What happens when she needs an upgrade of her hardware? Will Windows allow
> her to do it without invalidating her install?
>

An install is not invalidated. The activation status is changed.
Reactivating fixes the problem.

> How long will her system run without an re-install or even a reboot?

I have two computers that have been running Vista since the RTM was released
with no re-installs. I have had many XP and Server 2000/2003 computers that
went many years with no re-installs. I don't see any reason that Vista will
be any different. In this day of everything and everyone going green I turn
off my computers when not in use so I'm not sure how long Vista can go
without a reboot. I have had servers that only need a reboot after an update
that requires one. I had one Windows 2003 server that was not connected to
the Internet that went well over a year without a reboot.

>
> Stability, security, freedom.
>

So far for me Vista has been both stable and secure. I don't know what
freedom means in the context of an OS. Maybe you could explain this.

--
Kerry Brown
Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
http://www.vistahelp.ca

 

[chrisv]

chrisv wrote:
> Bullwinkle wrote:
>
>> "Frank Kirk" wrote:
>>>
>>> dont.pullout@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> So why the hell is Linux's desktop useage hovering around 1
>>>> percent? Why does Microsoft still have 95 to 98 percent of the
>>>> market?
>>>
>>> Because 95 to 98 percent of the people are incapable of thinking for
>>> themselves?
>>
>> I suppose you would rather have folks play with computers rather
>> than use them for constructive purposes such as business or
>> communication. You want to be able to get into the systems and play
>> with that rather than use the system for what it was intended.
>>
>> Good luck and have a good time and let us get along with our work.
>
> You've got the right attitude. "What, me worry?", as Micro$oft wraps
> it's tentacles around your data and snuffs-out all potential
> competitors...

That is utopia.

 

[chrisv]

some idiot forging chrisv wrote:

>chrisv wrote:
>>
>> You've got the right attitude. "What, me worry?", as Micro$oft wraps
>> it's tentacles around your data and snuffs-out all potential
>> competitors...
>
>That is utopia.

Of course it is! After all, why would anyone want to option of using
an operating system other than what Micro$oft chooses to provide?
After all, the Micro$oft operating systems are perfect in every way,
for every PC user on the planet. They strike a perfect compromise
between power/flexability and ease-of-use. They provide the optimal
and indisputably fair balance between the rights of consumer and
protection of intellectual property. Upgrades and redesigns are
perfectly timed and executed. The security models are flawless. They
are even priced perfectly.

 

[chrisv]

chrisv wrote:
> some idiot forging chrisv wrote:
>
>> chrisv wrote:
>>>
>>> You've got the right attitude. "What, me worry?", as Micro$oft
>>> wraps it's tentacles around your data and snuffs-out all potential
>>> competitors...
>>
>> That is utopia.
>
> Of course it is! After all, why would anyone want to option of using
> an operating system other than what Micro$oft chooses to provide?
> After all, the Micro$oft operating systems are perfect in every way,
> for every PC user on the planet. They strike a perfect compromise
> between power/flexability and ease-of-use. They provide the optimal
> and indisputably fair balance between the rights of consumer and
> protection of intellectual property. Upgrades and redesigns are
> perfectly timed and executed. The security models are flawless. They
> are even priced perfectly.

I don't think I could have said it better. Thanks for that insightful
opinion.

 

[chrisv]

some idiot forging chrisv wrote:

>chrisv wrote:
>> some idiot forging chrisv wrote:
>>> chrisv wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You've got the right attitude. "What, me worry?", as Micro$oft
>>>> wraps it's tentacles around your data and snuffs-out all potential
>>>> competitors...
>>>
>>> That is utopia.
>>
>> Of course it is! After all, why would anyone want to option of using
>> an operating system other than what Micro$oft chooses to provide?
>> After all, the Micro$oft operating systems are perfect in every way,
>> for every PC user on the planet. They strike a perfect compromise
>> between power/flexability and ease-of-use. They provide the optimal
>> and indisputably fair balance between the rights of consumer and
>> protection of intellectual property. Upgrades and redesigns are
>> perfectly timed and executed. The security models are flawless. They
>> are even priced perfectly.
>
>I don't think I could have said it better.

Of course you couldn't. You're me.

>Thanks for that insightful opinion.

*plonk*

 

[The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly]

Charlie Tame wrote:
>
> I am a Microsoft MVP not a "Linux Person" but
<snip>

Wow, I never would have guessed! For how long now?

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[The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly]

dennis@home wrote:
>
> "The poster formerly known as the poster formerly known as Nina DiBoy"
> <nonee@none.not> wrote in message news:fc2fem$r4k$4@aioe.org...
>> dennis@home wrote:
>>>
>>> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message
>>> news:Oo7zLYj8HHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> The apple OS is much like Linux, Sun's Solaris is much like Linux,
>>>> so although they will not directly be about to support free Linux
>>>> there is a user base out there, which from a learning curve point of
>>>> view is not insignificant.
>>>
>>> The Apple OS is nothing like Linux.. its based on FreeBSD so there is
>>> no Linux in the Apple OS at all.
>>>
>>> Sun Solaris has a kernel similar to Linux.. not really surprising as
>>> Solaris is based on SVR5 and Linus copied its predecesor to make Linux.
>>> However the structure and resource management in Solaris is way ahead
>>> of Linux as is its security model, the kernel is compartmentalised as
>>> required by the DoD unlike Linux.
>>>
>>> BTW you can get Solaris free from
>>> http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/get.jsp if you want to see a
>>> Linux killer.
>>
>>
>> I tried solaris 10, and linux is much more user friendly I find.
>>
>
> If you already know Linux then it will be more user friendly.. you get
> that with all sorts of things including Macs, windows, calculators,
> cars, web sites, etc. The trouble is the users never look at it from the
> point of view of a new user so they never actually know if its user
> friendly they just assume, often wrongly, that it is. Unless the
> manufacturer is prepared to run trials with new users they can never be
> sure its user friendly which is where open source can fall down.. they
> get all their feedback from existing users and not from people that are
> newbies. So while I accept that you think Linux is user friendly I will
> reserve judgment on that until someone demonstrates that it actually is.
> Certainly when I went from SVR5 to Linux I didn't think it was user
> friendly as everything was different (ps produced different output and
> had different modifiers for instance).

Well, I use Fedora core which is not the most user-friendly distro out
there (ubuntu beats it hands down in gui ease of use, but I find fedora
infinately more 'unneutered' of features so to speak), but after
installing it, it boots to a gui (more like windows). When I installed
solaris 10 in a VM a few months ago, it boots to a command line in true
unix form and even though I tried directions from a number of sources
about how to get it to recognize commands, I had no luck what so ever,
so now I'm waiting for Sun to further the project of the more user
friendly open source solaris. I guess my point is that linux may not be
as user friendly as windows all the time, but it does excel in that area
compared to solaris and probably most other unixes.

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[chrisv]

chrisv wrote:
> some idiot forging chrisv wrote:
>
>> chrisv wrote:
>>> some idiot forging chrisv wrote:
>>>> chrisv wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> You've got the right attitude. "What, me worry?", as Micro$oft
>>>>> wraps it's tentacles around your data and snuffs-out all potential
>>>>> competitors...
>>>>
>>>> That is utopia.
>>>
>>> Of course it is! After all, why would anyone want to option of
>>> using an operating system other than what Micro$oft chooses to
>>> provide? After all, the Micro$oft operating systems are perfect in
>>> every way, for every PC user on the planet. They strike a perfect
>>> compromise between power/flexability and ease-of-use. They provide
>>> the optimal and indisputably fair balance between the rights of
>>> consumer and protection of intellectual property. Upgrades and
>>> redesigns are perfectly timed and executed. The security models
>>> are flawless. They are even priced perfectly.
>>
>> I don't think I could have said it better.
>
> Of course you couldn't. You're me.

Oh yeah, I forgot.

>
>> Thanks for that insightful opinion.
>
> *plonk*

*ouch*

 

[The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly]

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
> Aside from the recent problem with the WGA server, a problem which was
> sorted very quickly but didn't appear so because reports of failure came
> in over the period of a few days, can you find figures showing that the
> majority of Vista/XP users have been adversely affected by WPA/WGA? I
> doubt it somehow because, in all probability, the majority of users are
> not affected.
>
> I have had to use the WPA call on maybe four occasions in the course of
> my work, all XP related, and have had to use it once for myself after a
> new hard drive, freshly installed, failed after three days of use,
> forcing a re-install onto another drive. How many times have you had to
> use the service?

Wait until you start using Vista, I think you'll have alot more problems
with it.

>
> Did I see it as an affront to my honesty, or the honesty of my local
> clients? Nope, just MS trying to protect themselves from the huge piracy
> mess that was Win 'all versions up to and including 2000 Pro'.
>
> I will readily admit that people who once distributed one CD and one
> product code across an entire school, campus or sub-division may well be
> annoyed that their bid to gain friends has been curtailed, but the rule
> has always been one product code on one computer, and we all knew/know
> that.
>
> The pricing of Vista is a little steep,

Try very steep!

> but even if MS charged $1, there
> would be some people trying to get around paying it. That is the nature
> of some people.
>
> We have no rights to expect Windows to be free,

Agreed, never expected that.

> or for that matter
> anything else unless it is clearly labeled as such. I think it is sad
> that we have to go above and beyond to protect what is ours these days
> from certain members of society,

Me too, like paying customers protecting what they purchased (windows)
from MS's buggy DRM.

> but I will be told 'get used to it'.

Yes, and you will also be told to bend over like all the rest of the
paying customers.

> The pirates are hearing an echo now
>
> The worst part of having to police in this way is that the occasional
> innocent person is mistakenly targeted. The pirates see it as collateral
> damage 'oh dear', but why should they care.They have what they want, and
> the rest of us are left paying the price.

Right, and none of this DRM from MS for windows does crap to stop the
pirates.

>
> "The poster formerly known as the poster formerly known as Nina DiBoy"
> <nonee@none.not> wrote in message news:fc2f47$r4k$1@aioe.org...
>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>> <snips>
>>>
>>> It is only hobbyists and 'upgraders' who are badly affected by Vista
>>> pricing.. OEM system buyers are not, and they get a free printer..
>>>
>> <snippage>
>>
>> From the mouth of an MVP...
>> I don't believe it!
>> Thanks for being honest Mike, but don't you mean price and WPA/WGA/N
>> of vista?
>>



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[Saucy]

"The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'"
<none@none.not> wrote in message news:fc4bht$5eo$1@aioe.org...
> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>> Aside from the recent problem with the WGA server, a problem which was
>> sorted very quickly but didn't appear so because reports of failure came
>> in over the period of a few days, can you find figures showing that the
>> majority of Vista/XP users have been adversely affected by WPA/WGA? I
>> doubt it somehow because, in all probability, the majority of users are
>> not affected.
>>
>> I have had to use the WPA call on maybe four occasions in the course of
>> my work, all XP related, and have had to use it once for myself after a
>> new hard drive, freshly installed, failed after three days of use,
>> forcing a re-install onto another drive. How many times have you had to
>> use the service?
>
> Wait until you start using Vista, I think you'll have alot more problems
> with it.
>
>>
>> Did I see it as an affront to my honesty, or the honesty of my local
>> clients? Nope, just MS trying to protect themselves from the huge piracy
>> mess that was Win 'all versions up to and including 2000 Pro'.
>>
>> I will readily admit that people who once distributed one CD and one
>> product code across an entire school, campus or sub-division may well be
>> annoyed that their bid to gain friends has been curtailed, but the rule
>> has always been one product code on one computer, and we all knew/know
>> that.
>>
>> The pricing of Vista is a little steep,
>
> Try very steep!
>

Try $89 bucks USD. In other words, inexpensive.

Saucy

 

[Mike Hall - MVP]

Saucy

I have been using Vista exclusively since November 17th, 2006 and have had
no problems with it.. I also have local clients running Vista, and they have
had no problems with it..

Vista pricing is higher than XP.. and we do not all live in the US..


"Saucy" <saucy538347334873772.sjhdf@net.net.net> wrote in message
news:uwTUVH$8HHA.4784@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> "The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'"
> <none@none.not> wrote in message news:fc4bht$5eo$1@aioe.org...
>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>> Aside from the recent problem with the WGA server, a problem which was
>>> sorted very quickly but didn't appear so because reports of failure came
>>> in over the period of a few days, can you find figures showing that the
>>> majority of Vista/XP users have been adversely affected by WPA/WGA? I
>>> doubt it somehow because, in all probability, the majority of users are
>>> not affected.
>>>
>>> I have had to use the WPA call on maybe four occasions in the course of
>>> my work, all XP related, and have had to use it once for myself after a
>>> new hard drive, freshly installed, failed after three days of use,
>>> forcing a re-install onto another drive. How many times have you had to
>>> use the service?
>>
>> Wait until you start using Vista, I think you'll have alot more problems
>> with it.
>>
>>>
>>> Did I see it as an affront to my honesty, or the honesty of my local
>>> clients? Nope, just MS trying to protect themselves from the huge piracy
>>> mess that was Win 'all versions up to and including 2000 Pro'.
>>>
>>> I will readily admit that people who once distributed one CD and one
>>> product code across an entire school, campus or sub-division may well be
>>> annoyed that their bid to gain friends has been curtailed, but the rule
>>> has always been one product code on one computer, and we all knew/know
>>> that.
>>>
>>> The pricing of Vista is a little steep,
>>
>> Try very steep!
>>
>
> Try $89 bucks USD. In other words, inexpensive.
>
> Saucy

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[The poster formerly known as the poster formerly k]

Saucy wrote:
> "The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'"
> <none@none.not> wrote in message news:fc4bht$5eo$1@aioe.org...
>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>> Aside from the recent problem with the WGA server, a problem which
>>> was sorted very quickly but didn't appear so because reports of
>>> failure came in over the period of a few days, can you find figures
>>> showing that the majority of Vista/XP users have been adversely
>>> affected by WPA/WGA? I doubt it somehow because, in all probability,
>>> the majority of users are not affected.
>>>
>>> I have had to use the WPA call on maybe four occasions in the course
>>> of my work, all XP related, and have had to use it once for myself
>>> after a new hard drive, freshly installed, failed after three days of
>>> use, forcing a re-install onto another drive. How many times have you
>>> had to use the service?
>>
>> Wait until you start using Vista, I think you'll have alot more
>> problems with it.
>>
>>>
>>> Did I see it as an affront to my honesty, or the honesty of my local
>>> clients? Nope, just MS trying to protect themselves from the huge
>>> piracy mess that was Win 'all versions up to and including 2000 Pro'.
>>>
>>> I will readily admit that people who once distributed one CD and one
>>> product code across an entire school, campus or sub-division may well
>>> be annoyed that their bid to gain friends has been curtailed, but the
>>> rule has always been one product code on one computer, and we all
>>> knew/know that.
>>>
>>> The pricing of Vista is a little steep,
>>
>> Try very steep!
>>
>
> Try $89 bucks USD. In other words, inexpensive.
>
> Saucy

Yah, for vista basic I'm sure.

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[Saucy]

"Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.org> wrote in message
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> Saucy
>
> I have been using Vista exclusively since November 17th, 2006 and have had
> no problems with it.. I also have local clients running Vista, and they
> have had no problems with it..
>
> Vista pricing is higher than XP.. and we do not all live in the US..
>
>
> "Saucy" <saucy538347334873772.sjhdf@net.net.net> wrote in message
> news:uwTUVH$8HHA.4784@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> "The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'"
>> <none@none.not> wrote in message news:fc4bht$5eo$1@aioe.org...
>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>> Aside from the recent problem with the WGA server, a problem which was
>>>> sorted very quickly but didn't appear so because reports of failure
>>>> came in over the period of a few days, can you find figures showing
>>>> that the majority of Vista/XP users have been adversely affected by
>>>> WPA/WGA? I doubt it somehow because, in all probability, the majority
>>>> of users are not affected.
>>>>
>>>> I have had to use the WPA call on maybe four occasions in the course of
>>>> my work, all XP related, and have had to use it once for myself after a
>>>> new hard drive, freshly installed, failed after three days of use,
>>>> forcing a re-install onto another drive. How many times have you had to
>>>> use the service?
>>>
>>> Wait until you start using Vista, I think you'll have alot more problems
>>> with it.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Did I see it as an affront to my honesty, or the honesty of my local
>>>> clients? Nope, just MS trying to protect themselves from the huge
>>>> piracy mess that was Win 'all versions up to and including 2000 Pro'.
>>>>
>>>> I will readily admit that people who once distributed one CD and one
>>>> product code across an entire school, campus or sub-division may well
>>>> be annoyed that their bid to gain friends has been curtailed, but the
>>>> rule has always been one product code on one computer, and we all
>>>> knew/know that.
>>>>
>>>> The pricing of Vista is a little steep,
>>>
>>> Try very steep!
>>>
>>
>> Try $89 bucks USD. In other words, inexpensive.
>>
>> Saucy
>
> --
>
>
> Mike Hall
> MS MVP Windows Shell/User
> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/
>
>
>


Mr. Hall:

Vista's price the same here as XP. $129.00 Cdn. .. the same price XP's been
since 2001. A bit higher than the price in the USA because the Cdn. dollar
has gained on the US by about 30% during that time.

Either way, US or Cdn or Aussie or Brit or Chinese, Vista is a good upgrade,
especially for parents.

Saucy

 

[KickinChicken]

Their is no need for an explanation.
Linux is the "60's Hippy" of today.
Linux users believe they are some sort of counter culture revolutionaries.
They are gonna "change the world", but being too fat and lazy to march on
Washington(or Redmond), they post anti Microsoft spam all over NG's.

Like Aristotle used to say...No one gives a rats arse what OS you use.

"Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message
news:B9E776E1-B5F3-49F8-84FD-FDF1DF393E8E@microsoft.com...
> "Gregory Shearman" <ZekeGregory@netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:1616666.b6vf69phXH@netscape.net...
>> Sven Geier wrote:
>>
>>> dont.pullout@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Linux is free.
>>>> Windows is not.
>>>> Linux has been free for a long time while Microsoft stagnated with
>>>> Windows XP.
>>>> Linux is free.
>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>> Why?
>>>
>>> 1) You may be mistaken with the "windows costs money" line of reasoning.
>>> See right here: http://articles.tlug.jp/Windows_Is_Free
>>>
>>> 2) The wife just bought a laptop. It came with Windows on it. It just
>>> works. Why would she go to the trouble of erasing a perfectly
>>> functioning
>>> OS just to install another one? The apps that she likes (like OpenOffice
>>> or Firefox) can be downloaded for Windows just as well as for Linux.
>>> What
>>> motivation would she have to "switch"?
>>>
>>>
>>> Just thinking out loud here...
>>
>> What happens when she needs an upgrade of her hardware? Will Windows
>> allow
>> her to do it without invalidating her install?
>>
>
> An install is not invalidated. The activation status is changed.
> Reactivating fixes the problem.
>
>> How long will her system run without an re-install or even a reboot?
>
> I have two computers that have been running Vista since the RTM was
> released with no re-installs. I have had many XP and Server 2000/2003
> computers that went many years with no re-installs. I don't see any reason
> that Vista will be any different. In this day of everything and everyone
> going green I turn off my computers when not in use so I'm not sure how
> long Vista can go without a reboot. I have had servers that only need a
> reboot after an update that requires one. I had one Windows 2003 server
> that was not connected to the Internet that went well over a year without
> a reboot.
>
>>
>> Stability, security, freedom.
>>
>
> So far for me Vista has been both stable and secure. I don't know what
> freedom means in the context of an OS. Maybe you could explain this.
>
> --
> Kerry Brown
> Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
> http://www.vistahelp.ca
>
>

 

[NoStop]

Kerry Brown wrote:

>
> So far for me Vista has been both stable and secure. I don't know what
> freedom means in the context of an OS. Maybe you could explain this.
>
Sure Kerry ... read the definition here ...

http://www.fsf.org/licensing/essays/free-sw.html

Cheers.

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[Mike Hall - MVP]

Are you comparing Vista Basic and XP Home?


"Saucy" <saucy538347334873772.sjhdf@net.net.net> wrote in message
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> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:%23UWRgm$8HHA.5160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Saucy
>>
>> I have been using Vista exclusively since November 17th, 2006 and have
>> had no problems with it.. I also have local clients running Vista, and
>> they have had no problems with it..
>>
>> Vista pricing is higher than XP.. and we do not all live in the US..
>>
>>
>> "Saucy" <saucy538347334873772.sjhdf@net.net.net> wrote in message
>> news:uwTUVH$8HHA.4784@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> "The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'"
>>> <none@none.not> wrote in message news:fc4bht$5eo$1@aioe.org...
>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>>> Aside from the recent problem with the WGA server, a problem which was
>>>>> sorted very quickly but didn't appear so because reports of failure
>>>>> came in over the period of a few days, can you find figures showing
>>>>> that the majority of Vista/XP users have been adversely affected by
>>>>> WPA/WGA? I doubt it somehow because, in all probability, the majority
>>>>> of users are not affected.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have had to use the WPA call on maybe four occasions in the course
>>>>> of my work, all XP related, and have had to use it once for myself
>>>>> after a new hard drive, freshly installed, failed after three days of
>>>>> use, forcing a re-install onto another drive. How many times have you
>>>>> had to use the service?
>>>>
>>>> Wait until you start using Vista, I think you'll have alot more
>>>> problems with it.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Did I see it as an affront to my honesty, or the honesty of my local
>>>>> clients? Nope, just MS trying to protect themselves from the huge
>>>>> piracy mess that was Win 'all versions up to and including 2000 Pro'.
>>>>>
>>>>> I will readily admit that people who once distributed one CD and one
>>>>> product code across an entire school, campus or sub-division may well
>>>>> be annoyed that their bid to gain friends has been curtailed, but the
>>>>> rule has always been one product code on one computer, and we all
>>>>> knew/know that.
>>>>>
>>>>> The pricing of Vista is a little steep,
>>>>
>>>> Try very steep!
>>>>
>>>
>>> Try $89 bucks USD. In other words, inexpensive.
>>>
>>> Saucy
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> Mike Hall
>> MS MVP Windows Shell/User
>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> Mr. Hall:
>
> Vista's price the same here as XP. $129.00 Cdn. .. the same price XP's
> been since 2001. A bit higher than the price in the USA because the Cdn.
> dollar has gained on the US by about 30% during that time.
>
> Either way, US or Cdn or Aussie or Brit or Chinese, Vista is a good
> upgrade, especially for parents.
>
> Saucy

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

 

[Charlie Tame]

dennis@home wrote:
>
> "The poster formerly known as the poster formerly known as Nina DiBoy"
> <nonee@none.not> wrote in message news:fc2fem$r4k$4@aioe.org...
>> dennis@home wrote:
>>>
>>> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message
>>> news:Oo7zLYj8HHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> The apple OS is much like Linux, Sun's Solaris is much like Linux,
>>>> so although they will not directly be about to support free Linux
>>>> there is a user base out there, which from a learning curve point of
>>>> view is not insignificant.
>>>
>>> The Apple OS is nothing like Linux.. its based on FreeBSD so there is
>>> no Linux in the Apple OS at all.
>>>
>>> Sun Solaris has a kernel similar to Linux.. not really surprising as
>>> Solaris is based on SVR5 and Linus copied its predecesor to make Linux.
>>> However the structure and resource management in Solaris is way ahead
>>> of Linux as is its security model, the kernel is compartmentalised as
>>> required by the DoD unlike Linux.
>>>
>>> BTW you can get Solaris free from
>>> http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/get.jsp if you want to see a
>>> Linux killer.
>>
>>
>> I tried solaris 10, and linux is much more user friendly I find.
>>
>
> If you already know Linux then it will be more user friendly.. you get
> that with all sorts of things including Macs, windows, calculators,
> cars, web sites, etc. The trouble is the users never look at it from the
> point of view of a new user so they never actually know if its user
> friendly they just assume, often wrongly, that it is. Unless the
> manufacturer is prepared to run trials with new users they can never be
> sure its user friendly which is where open source can fall down.. they
> get all their feedback from existing users and not from people that are
> newbies. So while I accept that you think Linux is user friendly I will
> reserve judgment on that until someone demonstrates that it actually is.
> Certainly when I went from SVR5 to Linux I didn't think it was user
> friendly as everything was different (ps produced different output and
> had different modifiers for instance).


I can't really comment on which is more friendly since I don't have
experience using Solaris to any great extent, but you raise a very
interesting point and that of course is why "Windows" appears friendly
to "most" people - which also makes one wonder why MS chose to swap some
things around in Vista apparently just to make it "Look Different".

One of the things of course is that all OSs have some new user brick
walls that you hit and can't seem to find an obvious way around, and for
someone used to Windows as an ordinary "User" Linux is probably quite
good at producing them.

 

[Charlie Tame]

The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'
wrote:
> Charlie Tame wrote:
>>
>> I am a Microsoft MVP not a "Linux Person" but
> <snip>
>
> Wow, I never would have guessed! For how long now?
>

Probably not much longer at the rate things are going, oh well. The fact
is that sometimes a big company needs realistic criticism, just as
governments do.

I started off maybe 4 years back helping some folks out with OE problems
and had some W2000 security info on a website but soon after getting the
award life changed somewhat with a new job etc and my spare time went
along with it

MS employs a lot of people and most of them don't deserve to lose their
jobs, but some at the top do, given the appalling decisions they
sometimes make. What annoys me is they can be both brilliant and
innovative yet seem to make the same mistakes over and over and then are
very slow to respond.

They need to be aware that the problems they have created with Vista,
DRM, WGA and WPA and shipping with a simple thing like the mail clients
unfinished and undecided, actively encourages, no, even forces people to
look elsewhere. As the Captain of the Titanic discovered not everything
moves out of the way just because it's a big ship.

 

[Adam Albright]

On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 20:43:18 -0500, Charlie Tame <charlie@tames.net>
wrote:

>The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'
>wrote:
>> Charlie Tame wrote:
>>>
>>> I am a Microsoft MVP not a "Linux Person" but
>> <snip>
>>
>> Wow, I never would have guessed! For how long now?
>>
>
>Probably not much longer at the rate things are going, oh well. The fact
>is that sometimes a big company needs realistic criticism, just as
>governments do.

Yes, but the fanboy club can't handle criticism no matter how
constructive it is. You are the FIRST MVP I've seen in this newsgroup
that's objective. The rest... well what's the point. Everyone knows
already.
>
>MS employs a lot of people and most of them don't deserve to lose their
>jobs, but some at the top do, given the appalling decisions they
>sometimes make.

True of nearly every major corporation. Most companies are overloaded
with dead wood. Rather than prune it out, they often get pushed higher
and higher up the corporate ladder when ironically they can start to
do real damage.