Multiboot and Partitioning

[vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com]

Can I use a nearly ten year old version or Partition Commander
to co-install an equally old version of Solaris and a pure DOS6.22
partition on a brand new machine that has XP Pre-Installed?

Any tips, experiences, thoughts?


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NOOOOOO.........

they are not compatible
with xp technology and
will crash your system

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<vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com> wrote in message
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> Can I use a nearly ten year old version or Partition Commander
> to co-install an equally old version of Solaris and a pure DOS6.22
> partition on a brand new machine that has XP Pre-Installed?
>
> Any tips, experiences, thoughts?
>
>
> - = -
> Vasos Panagiotopoulos, Columbia'81+, Reagan, Mozart, Pindus, BioStrategist
> http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/vjp2/vasos.htm
> ---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}---
> [Homeland Security means private firearms not lazy obstructive guards]
> [Urb sprawl confounds terror] [Remorse begets zeal] [Windows is for Bimbos]

 

[John John]

vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:

> Can I use a nearly ten year old version or Partition Commander
> to co-install an equally old version of Solaris and a pure DOS6.22
> partition on a brand new machine that has XP Pre-Installed?
>
> Any tips, experiences, thoughts?

It should work but I should tell you off hand that I have no experience
with Solaris. I would suggest that you install a second hard disk in
the computer and install MS-DOS, Solaris and the boot manager on that
new disk. There are two reasons for this recommendation:

1- Your primary operating system and its drive are less at risk of
damage if you install the boot manager and other operating systems on a
second independent hard disk. To be doubly sure that you don't damage
your XP installation you can disable or disconnect the disk while you
try to install the other operating systems and the boot manager. Once
done you should be able to reconnect the XP disk and add it to the boot
manager's startup list.

2- MS-DOS 6.22 can only be installed on a FAT16 partition and (if my
memory serves me well) it must be on the first primary partition on the
disk. It may be messy trying to install it on the same disk as your XP
installation.

As I said, I don't know how Solaris will fit in the picture and how it
will install. I do not believes that it has the same constraints as
MS-DOS as to where (which) partition it is installed.

Other than the BIOS INT 13 interface requirements and the 7.8GB System
drive limit (which were done away with Windows 2000) the NT boot process
has not really changed all since NT 3.1 so your old boot manager should
be able to handle XP. If it cannot there are other newer alternatives
such as the free Ranish and XOSL or the pay for BootItNG which should do
the job.

Also note that it is increasingly difficult to install these old
operating systems on new hardware, the old OS may simply not understand
the newer hardware, you will have to do some research and give it a try
to find out!

John

 

[Sjouke Burry]

John John wrote:
> vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
>
>> Can I use a nearly ten year old version or Partition Commander
>> to co-install an equally old version of Solaris and a pure DOS6.22
>> partition on a brand new machine that has XP Pre-Installed?
>> Any tips, experiences, thoughts?
>
> It should work but I should tell you off hand that I have no experience
> with Solaris. I would suggest that you install a second hard disk in
> the computer and install MS-DOS, Solaris and the boot manager on that
> new disk. There are two reasons for this recommendation:
>
> 1- Your primary operating system and its drive are less at risk of
> damage if you install the boot manager and other operating systems on a
> second independent hard disk. To be doubly sure that you don't damage
> your XP installation you can disable or disconnect the disk while you
> try to install the other operating systems and the boot manager. Once
> done you should be able to reconnect the XP disk and add it to the boot
> manager's startup list.
>
> 2- MS-DOS 6.22 can only be installed on a FAT16 partition and (if my
> memory serves me well) it must be on the first primary partition on the
> disk. It may be messy trying to install it on the same disk as your XP
> installation.
I am reading this on a computer with XP(NTFS) on the first HD,
DOS 6.22 on the primary of the second disk(1GB fat16), 32GB fat32 and 200GB
ntfs taking up the rest of the second drive.
When booting from a Dos6.22 floppy, it is quite happy to use the second
disk as disk C:, and ignores the ntfs drive.
Using the bootfloppy as "bootmanager " works fine for me.
And when booting from a dos 7.1(WIN98 SE) floppy, it shows
c1GB and d32GB), again ignoring the XP disk.

 

[Bruce Coryell]

Sjouke Burry wrote:
> John John wrote:
>
>> vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
>>
>>> Can I use a nearly ten year old version or Partition Commander
>>> to co-install an equally old version of Solaris and a pure DOS6.22
>>> partition on a brand new machine that has XP Pre-Installed?
>>> Any tips, experiences, thoughts?
>>
>>
>> It should work but I should tell you off hand that I have no
>> experience with Solaris. I would suggest that you install a second
>> hard disk in the computer and install MS-DOS, Solaris and the boot
>> manager on that new disk. There are two reasons for this recommendation:
>>
>> 1- Your primary operating system and its drive are less at risk of
>> damage if you install the boot manager and other operating systems on
>> a second independent hard disk. To be doubly sure that you don't
>> damage your XP installation you can disable or disconnect the disk
>> while you try to install the other operating systems and the boot
>> manager. Once done you should be able to reconnect the XP disk and
>> add it to the boot manager's startup list.
>>
>> 2- MS-DOS 6.22 can only be installed on a FAT16 partition and (if my
>> memory serves me well) it must be on the first primary partition on
>> the disk. It may be messy trying to install it on the same disk as
>> your XP installation.
>
> I am reading this on a computer with XP(NTFS) on the first HD,
> DOS 6.22 on the primary of the second disk(1GB fat16), 32GB fat32 and 200GB
> ntfs taking up the rest of the second drive.
> When booting from a Dos6.22 floppy, it is quite happy to use the second
> disk as disk C:, and ignores the ntfs drive.
> Using the bootfloppy as "bootmanager " works fine for me.
> And when booting from a dos 7.1(WIN98 SE) floppy, it shows
> c1GB and d32GB), again ignoring the XP disk.

Just curious - what are you doing with DOS 6.22 these days?

 

[Sjouke Burry]

Bruce Coryell wrote:
> Sjouke Burry wrote:
>> John John wrote:
>>
>>> vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Can I use a nearly ten year old version or Partition Commander
>>>> to co-install an equally old version of Solaris and a pure DOS6.22
>>>> partition on a brand new machine that has XP Pre-Installed?
>>>> Any tips, experiences, thoughts?
>>>
>>>
>>> It should work but I should tell you off hand that I have no
>>> experience with Solaris. I would suggest that you install a second
>>> hard disk in the computer and install MS-DOS, Solaris and the boot
>>> manager on that new disk. There are two reasons for this
>>> recommendation:
>>>
>>> 1- Your primary operating system and its drive are less at risk of
>>> damage if you install the boot manager and other operating systems on
>>> a second independent hard disk. To be doubly sure that you don't
>>> damage your XP installation you can disable or disconnect the disk
>>> while you try to install the other operating systems and the boot
>>> manager. Once done you should be able to reconnect the XP disk and
>>> add it to the boot manager's startup list.
>>>
>>> 2- MS-DOS 6.22 can only be installed on a FAT16 partition and (if my
>>> memory serves me well) it must be on the first primary partition on
>>> the disk. It may be messy trying to install it on the same disk as
>>> your XP installation.
>>
>> I am reading this on a computer with XP(NTFS) on the first HD,
>> DOS 6.22 on the primary of the second disk(1GB fat16), 32GB fat32 and
>> 200GB
>> ntfs taking up the rest of the second drive.
>> When booting from a Dos6.22 floppy, it is quite happy to use the second
>> disk as disk C:, and ignores the ntfs drive.
>> Using the bootfloppy as "bootmanager " works fine for me.
>> And when booting from a dos 7.1(WIN98 SE) floppy, it shows
>> c1GB and d32GB), again ignoring the XP disk.
>
> Just curious - what are you doing with DOS 6.22 these days?

Writing my own software. Nothing to do with windows.
Fractal software,hardware interface, Astronomy, graphics, curio , etc.
I dont need the fancy windows interface, and you can write short,
well behaved, non-crashing programs, with access to all the hardware.
And with the Watcom free C and Fortran compiler, you have 32 bit programs
under DOS.

 

[Bruce Coryell]

Sjouke Burry wrote:
> Bruce Coryell wrote:
>
>> Sjouke Burry wrote:
>>
>>> John John wrote:
>>>
>>>> vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Can I use a nearly ten year old version or Partition Commander
>>>>> to co-install an equally old version of Solaris and a pure DOS6.22
>>>>> partition on a brand new machine that has XP Pre-Installed?
>>>>> Any tips, experiences, thoughts?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It should work but I should tell you off hand that I have no
>>>> experience with Solaris. I would suggest that you install a second
>>>> hard disk in the computer and install MS-DOS, Solaris and the boot
>>>> manager on that new disk. There are two reasons for this
>>>> recommendation:
>>>>
>>>> 1- Your primary operating system and its drive are less at risk of
>>>> damage if you install the boot manager and other operating systems
>>>> on a second independent hard disk. To be doubly sure that you don't
>>>> damage your XP installation you can disable or disconnect the disk
>>>> while you try to install the other operating systems and the boot
>>>> manager. Once done you should be able to reconnect the XP disk and
>>>> add it to the boot manager's startup list.
>>>>
>>>> 2- MS-DOS 6.22 can only be installed on a FAT16 partition and (if
>>>> my memory serves me well) it must be on the first primary partition
>>>> on the disk. It may be messy trying to install it on the same disk
>>>> as your XP installation.
>>>
>>>
>>> I am reading this on a computer with XP(NTFS) on the first HD,
>>> DOS 6.22 on the primary of the second disk(1GB fat16), 32GB fat32 and
>>> 200GB
>>> ntfs taking up the rest of the second drive.
>>> When booting from a Dos6.22 floppy, it is quite happy to use the second
>>> disk as disk C:, and ignores the ntfs drive.
>>> Using the bootfloppy as "bootmanager " works fine for me.
>>> And when booting from a dos 7.1(WIN98 SE) floppy, it shows
>>> c1GB and d32GB), again ignoring the XP disk.
>>
>>
>> Just curious - what are you doing with DOS 6.22 these days?
>
>
> Writing my own software. Nothing to do with windows.
> Fractal software,hardware interface, Astronomy, graphics, curio , etc.
> I dont need the fancy windows interface, and you can write short,
> well behaved, non-crashing programs, with access to all the hardware.
> And with the Watcom free C and Fortran compiler, you have 32 bit programs
> under DOS.

All well and good. I was perfectly happy with DOS, hated the migration
to 3.1 about 15 years ago.

 

[vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com]

*+-Just curious - what are you doing with DOS 6.22 these days?

It still works better than anything else.
And I have plenty of legacy apps.

BTW, you'ld be surprised 85% of the programs running in NY City are
still IBM COBOL with hierarchical databases, and Windows front ends.


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[Urb sprawl confounds terror] [Remorse begets zeal] [Windows is for Bimbos]

 

[vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com]

*+-And with the Watcom free C and Fortran compiler, you have 32 bit programs
*+-under DOS.

Watcom is Free these days? I paid like a hundred bucks for it in 1995.
I have C, but not FORTRAN. Where to get?


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Vasos Panagiotopoulos, Columbia'81+, Reagan, Mozart, Pindus, BioStrategist
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/vjp2/vasos.htm
---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}---
[Homeland Security means private firearms not lazy obstructive guards]
[Urb sprawl confounds terror] [Remorse begets zeal] [Windows is for Bimbos]

 

[vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com]

*+-All well and good. I was perfectly happy with DOS, hated the migration
*+-to 3.1 about 15 years ago.

My main machine is a P5-75 I got in 1995. (I got used 250 and 500 MHz
machines in the basement but my expensive software - $7k worth in 1996
- is all on the 75MHz.) It came with WFWG3.11 but within two years I
went back to DOS. I have W98 dual boot on it (mostly to burn CDs). Now
I just got an AOpen AMD64 with XP KVM-ed with the P5-75.

The migration to 3.11 took a lot of time and money and left me burned
out and disappointed. Before that, for ten years, I had an 8MHz 80186
(MS DOS generic - no bitmap) with just 10MB of space and I knew where
everything was and the machine didn't waste my time. It ran with the
HP2621a terminal I got in college instead of a monitor.

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http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/vjp2/vasos.htm
---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}---
[Homeland Security means private firearms not lazy obstructive guards]
[Urb sprawl confounds terror] [Remorse begets zeal] [Windows is for Bimbos]

 

[vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com]

Many thanks. I'm not inclined to start putting extra drives, so I
guess the KVM will have to do for now.

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Vasos Panagiotopoulos, Columbia'81+, Reagan, Mozart, Pindus, BioStrategist
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/vjp2/vasos.htm
---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}---
[Homeland Security means private firearms not lazy obstructive guards]
[Urb sprawl confounds terror] [Remorse begets zeal] [Windows is for Bimbos]

 

[Sjouke Burry]

vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
> *+-And with the Watcom free C and Fortran compiler, you have 32 bit programs
> *+-under DOS.
>
> Watcom is Free these days? I paid like a hundred bucks for it in 1995.
> I have C, but not FORTRAN. Where to get?
>
>
> - = -
> Vasos Panagiotopoulos, Columbia'81+, Reagan, Mozart, Pindus, BioStrategist
> http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/vjp2/vasos.htm
> ---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}---
> [Homeland Security means private firearms not lazy obstructive guards]
> [Urb sprawl confounds terror] [Remorse begets zeal] [Windows is for Bimbos]
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