Linux developers MUST consolidate and release a "master" distro for the general computer/device mark

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On Oct 6, 4:19 pm, "Randy Oaks" <ro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> <bones4jo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1191705624.157060.40790@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Oct 6, 3:47 pm, Gene Jones <ja...@janus.com> wrote:
> >> Dean Plude <xenop...@charter.net> wrote:
> >> > In my many years using linux I have come to know that to truly support
> >> > and promote linux as I did with brunswick and many others is simply
> >> > show
> >> > large companies that there are choices in an OS and that they do not
> >> > have to pay a fortune to get.I will never forget when I gave the head
> >> > manufacturing engineer a Debian BO disk and simplly said check it out .
> >> > that was all it took.
> >> > Remember World Domination is our ultimate goal.
>
> >> Linux will never achieve anything close to world domination unless the
> >> users unite and follow Apple's OSX direction. Now Linux has pretty much
> >> become a footnote in history compared to what apple is doing with UNIX.
>
> >> So unless that changes, it's a slow fade to black for the Linux
> >> community.
>
> >> You guys have a chance, but you must "unite" - it's that simple.
>
> >> OSX is now about 9 times as large in the world, 6 years ago you guys
> >> were neck and neck. What happened? No leadership is the answer.
>
> >> Within the next few weeks, OSX is going to be a CERTIFIED UNIX.
>
> >> Why isn't Linux up to this certification level?
>
> >>http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/unix/
>
> > Linux is far too fragmented to accomplish anything useful.
> > It's two hundred thousand developers all trying to release their own
> > version of Linux.
>
> Agreed. Linux is the classic case of "too many cooks in the kitchen."
>
> If Linux were going to succeed in the consumer market it would have done so
> already. Now it's simply too-little, too-late as Linux has absolutely zero
> mindset with the consumer. OSX and Vista will continue to dominate.
>

Maybe there is still hope yet, but it requires the developers to get
together, set aside their egos, and all work on a single master
distro. If they did that, Linux would beat the pants off of Vista and
OSX guaranteed, and perhaps chart the course for the whole computer
(and computer-device) industry away from the lockdown-drm-crippled
dreck that it's been floating in for a while now.
 
ultimauw@hotmail.com wrote:

> > Agreed. Linux is the classic case of "too many cooks in the kitchen."
> >
> > If Linux were going to succeed in the consumer market it would have done so
> > already. Now it's simply too-little, too-late as Linux has absolutely zero
> > mindset with the consumer. OSX and Vista will continue to dominate.
> >
>
> Maybe there is still hope yet, but it requires the developers to get
> together, set aside their egos, and all work on a single master
> distro. If they did that, Linux would beat the pants off of Vista and
> OSX guaranteed, and perhaps chart the course for the whole computer
> (and computer-device) industry away from the lockdown-drm-crippled
> dreck that it's been floating in for a while now.

yes, and I've told them SEVERAL times they need to concentrate on just
one or two distros and let the others die off. they just can't compete
until they take this advice.

chances are now zero that they can't rally around and heed this advice.
they are mostly young kids with no skills outside of playing games or
hacking.

linux had a chance during the late 90's but blew it. now OSX is the main
UNIX distro by a 7 to 1 margin... all because Apple knew about design
and understood high quality computing.

linux is a total mess now, and it's very sad. I thought at least they
would have 1% of the market, but it still hovers around .76 percent. Not
good when Apple has jumped to 6.4% in recent months.

-
 
Re: Linux developers MUST consolidate and release a "master" distrofor the general computer/device market.

ultimauw wrote:

> Maybe there is still hope yet,

Not for you. You're doomed to be stupid forever.

*plonk*
 
Re: Linux developers MUST consolidate and release a "master" distrofor the general computer/device market.

On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 13:16:30 -0600, Oxford wrote:

> ultimauw@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>> > Agreed. Linux is the classic case of "too many cooks in the kitchen."
>> >
>> > If Linux were going to succeed in the consumer market it would have
>> > done so already. Now it's simply too-little, too-late as Linux has
>> > absolutely zero mindset with the consumer. OSX and Vista will
>> > continue to dominate.
>> >
>> >
>> Maybe there is still hope yet, but it requires the developers to get
>> together, set aside their egos, and all work on a single master distro.
>> If they did that, Linux would beat the pants off of Vista and OSX
>> guaranteed, and perhaps chart the course for the whole computer (and
>> computer-device) industry away from the lockdown-drm-crippled dreck
>> that it's been floating in for a while now.
>
> yes, and I've told them SEVERAL times they need to concentrate on just
> one or two distros and let the others die off. they just can't compete
> until they take this advice.
>
> chances are now zero that they can't rally around and heed this advice.
> they are mostly young kids with no skills outside of playing games or
> hacking.
>
> linux had a chance during the late 90's but blew it. now OSX is the main
> UNIX distro by a 7 to 1 margin... all because Apple knew about design
> and understood high quality computing.
>
> linux is a total mess now, and it's very sad. I thought at least they
> would have 1% of the market, but it still hovers around .76 percent. Not
> good when Apple has jumped to 6.4% in recent months.
>

I find it funny how everyone takes the statistic of one irrelevant web-
server of any actual value.

That said, what do you think is happening? The efforts *are* consolidated.

All distributions use the same kernel.
The same desktop managers.
The same browers.
The same software.
The same e-mail software.
The same newsreaders.
The same everything.

The only main significant difference between any distributions is what
they come with out of the box. That's largely irrelevant.

So how is this not consolidated?

So redhat has different package management than ubuntu does. Big friggin
deal....they still use the same software and kernel.

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Re: Linux developers MUST consolidate and release a "master" distrofor the general computer/device market.

ultimauw@hotmail.com wrote:

<<snipped>>
>
> Maybe there is still hope yet, but it requires the developers to get
> together, set aside their egos, and all work on a single master
> distro. If they did that, Linux would beat the pants off of Vista and
> OSX guaranteed, and perhaps chart the course for the whole computer
> (and computer-device) industry away from the lockdown-drm-crippled
> dreck that it's been floating in for a while now.
>

Short of becoming a recognized national/international "standard", know of
any other OS that was able to achieve this feat under the guise of "open
source"?
 
chrisv wrote:
> ultimauw wrote:
>
> > Maybe there is still hope yet,
>
> Not for you. You're doomed to be stupid forever.
>
AWWWW Did I upset the little shillbot?
 
Re: Linux developers MUST consolidate and release a "master" distrofor the general computer/device market.

On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 11:54:16 -0700, ultimauw wrote:

> On Oct 6, 4:19 pm, "Randy Oaks" <ro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> <bones4jo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1191705624.157060.40790@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Oct 6, 3:47 pm, Gene Jones <ja...@janus.com> wrote:
>> >> Dean Plude <xenop...@charter.net> wrote:
>> >> > In my many years using linux I have come to know that to truly
>> >> > support and promote linux as I did with brunswick and many others
>> >> > is simply show
>> >> > large companies that there are choices in an OS and that they do
>> >> > not have to pay a fortune to get.I will never forget when I gave
>> >> > the head manufacturing engineer a Debian BO disk and simplly said
>> >> > check it out . that was all it took.
>> >> > Remember World Domination is our ultimate goal.
>>
>> >> Linux will never achieve anything close to world domination unless
>> >> the users unite and follow Apple's OSX direction. Now Linux has
>> >> pretty much become a footnote in history compared to what apple is
>> >> doing with UNIX.
>>
>> >> So unless that changes, it's a slow fade to black for the Linux
>> >> community.
>>
>> >> You guys have a chance, but you must "unite" - it's that simple.
>>
>> >> OSX is now about 9 times as large in the world, 6 years ago you guys
>> >> were neck and neck. What happened? No leadership is the answer.
>>
>> >> Within the next few weeks, OSX is going to be a CERTIFIED UNIX.
>>
>> >> Why isn't Linux up to this certification level?
>>
>> >>http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/unix/
>>
>> > Linux is far too fragmented to accomplish anything useful. It's two
>> > hundred thousand developers all trying to release their own version
>> > of Linux.
>>
>> Agreed. Linux is the classic case of "too many cooks in the kitchen."
>>
>> If Linux were going to succeed in the consumer market it would have
>> done so already. Now it's simply too-little, too-late as Linux has
>> absolutely zero mindset with the consumer. OSX and Vista will continue
>> to dominate.
>>
>>
> Maybe there is still hope yet, but it requires the developers to get
> together, set aside their egos, and all work on a single master distro.
> If they did that, Linux would beat the pants off of Vista and OSX
> guaranteed, and perhaps chart the course for the whole computer (and
> computer-device) industry away from the lockdown-drm-crippled dreck that
> it's been floating in for a while now.

Your are missing the idea that the reason there are so many distros is
that many people want different things. You are missing the point that
many of the things added to or improved in one distro can be directly
added to another.



--
Rick
 
Re: Linux developers MUST consolidate and release a "master" distrofor the general computer/device market.

Stephan Rose wrote:

>> linux is a total mess now, and it's very sad. I thought at least they
>> would have 1% of the market, but it still hovers around .76 percent.
>> Not good when Apple has jumped to 6.4% in recent months.
>>
>>
> I find it funny how everyone takes the statistic of one irrelevant web-
> server of any actual value.

"Everyone", or just trolling idiots like Oxtard?
 
chrisv wrote:

> Stephan Rose wrote:
>
>>> linux is a total mess now, and it's very sad. I thought at least they
>>> would have 1% of the market, but it still hovers around .76 percent.
>>> Not good when Apple has jumped to 6.4% in recent months.
>>>
>>>
>> I find it funny how everyone takes the statistic of one irrelevant web-
>> server of any actual value.
>
> "Everyone", or just trolling idiots like Oxtard?

"ultimauw" is not OxRetard

It is either flatfish or the "linux-sux" cretin
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Re: Linux developers MUST consolidate and release a "master" distrofor the general computer/device market.

On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 13:16:30 -0600, Oxford wrote:

> ultimauw@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>> > Agreed. Linux is the classic case of "too many cooks in the kitchen."
>> >
>> > If Linux were going to succeed in the consumer market it would have
>> > done so already. Now it's simply too-little, too-late as Linux has
>> > absolutely zero mindset with the consumer. OSX and Vista will
>> > continue to dominate.
>> >
>> >
>> Maybe there is still hope yet, but it requires the developers to get
>> together, set aside their egos, and all work on a single master distro.
>> If they did that, Linux would beat the pants off of Vista and OSX
>> guaranteed, and perhaps chart the course for the whole computer (and
>> computer-device) industry away from the lockdown-drm-crippled dreck
>> that it's been floating in for a while now.
>
> yes, and I've told them SEVERAL times they need to concentrate on just
> one or two distros and let the others die off. they just can't compete
> until they take this advice.

And you have been told several times you are a cluesless twit. Who are
you to say someone can't but together a distro to satisfy a want or need
that isn't being met?

And you told ... THEM? Who? Did you think to go tell Shuttleworth to kill
off Ubuntu? No? Did you write Novell or Red Hat to tell them to kill
their distros? Did you email texstar to tell him to dump PCLinuxOS? Have
you noticed PCLOS is becoming one of the more popular distros, without
heavy advertising? Using your "system", I probably wouldn't be able to
use the distro and environment I have chosen.

>
> chances are now zero that they can't rally around and heed this advice.
> they are mostly young kids with no skills outside of playing games or
> hacking.

I highly doubt the developers at Sun, IBM, Novell, Red Hat (to name a
very few) are mostly young kids with no skills outside of playing games
or hacking.

>
> linux had a chance during the late 90's but blew it. now OSX is the main
> UNIX distro by a 7 to 1 margin... all because Apple knew about design
> and understood high quality computing.
>
> linux is a total mess now, and it's very sad.

No, you are sad.

> I thought at least they
> would have 1% of the market, but it still hovers around .76 percent. Not
> good when Apple has jumped to 6.4% in recent months.

So Apple's at 6.4% now. What was their share in 1978. Let us know when it
gets back there.


--
Rick
 
On Oct 7, 3:16 pm, Oxford <colalovesm...@mac.com> wrote:
> ultim...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > Agreed. Linux is the classic case of "too many cooks in the kitchen."
>
> > > If Linux were going to succeed in the consumer market it would have done so
> > > already.

Not necessarily. Remember, Linux competes with a company who blocks
all access to the retail display space. A Linux customer must
purchase and install Linux without the benefit of an OEM preinstalled
system.

The OEM is not allowed to tell the customer exactly which machines can
easily be configured to run Linux, and which machines should NEVER be
used to run Linux. The customers usually figure this out for
themselves, but the OEM can't put this in advertizing or catalog
descriptions without getting Microsoft's prior written approval, which
never seems to come in time for the ad deadlines. The OEM just has to
keep falling back to a "safe" ad that has been approved. Often, both
ads are submitted the same day, but Microsoft seems to delay the Linux
ad past the known deadlines.

Most contracts I deal with, if the approver doesn't provide written
approval or revisions within 7 days, it is treated as an automatic
approval, but it seems that Microsoft must only respond within "a
reasonable time" - not sure what that means - maybe some time within
the decade?

The OEM can't make changes to the configuration without Microsoft's
prior written approval either. Again, if two versions are submitted,
the Microsoft-only version gets approved within a day, the one
involving competitors will be revised - perhaps within a year AFTER
the product release date.
That whole "reasonable time" thing again.

> > > Now it's simply too-little, too-late as Linux has absolutely zero
> > > mindset with the consumer. OSX and Vista will continue to dominate.

I wouldn't say that. There are billions of Linux licensed devices,
and almost 1 billion internet users access Linux systems such as
Google every day. They send their e-mail through Linux routers, they
protect their LAN with Linux firewalls, go to a coffee shop or
restaurant and connect via a Linux powered WiFi hub. The PC may be
purchased with Windows, but it may be running Linux as a VMWare
appliance, as a Virtual PC client, or it may be Linux working as the
primary operating system and Windows that is running as the
Virtualized Client. Running Windows as the VM client makes back-up,
recovery, and system management much easier, and the extra clock-
cycles burned in virtualization calls are offset by better
optimization of disk access and memory management.

> > Maybe there is still hope yet, but it requires the developers to get
> > together, set aside their egos, and all work on a single master
> > distro.

Funny, that's not what IBM, Dell, and HP are saying. Most of the OEMs
like the idea of 2-3 competitors competing for access to the
preinstalled desktop. If they could have their way, all of them would
allow all of their distributions to be installed and started as either
the primary OS using a boot manager, or as a virtualized client. Most
like both Red Hat and SUSE for the server market, and many also like
Ubuntu for the client market. Others, including Linspire, Xandros,
and PCLinux are also willing to give very generous terms.

Unfortunately, Microsoft seems to be unable to approve any
configuration which involves any configuration of any product other
than the Microsoft standard Package. Furthermore, if the OEM makes
such requests, it often takes a while for the drivers for other
systems to be approved.

It seems that Microsoft has all the lawyers it needs for it's "Loyal
Customers", but there seems to be a single lawyer who speaks very
little English, as a 3rd language, who can't approve anything for
months, or even a year or two.

It seems that Microsoft must respond within a "reasonable time". Most
contracts I deal with, a specific time such as 5 business days is used
instead. If a response is not provided within that time period, it is
automatically approved.

Rex Ballard
http://www.open4success.com
 
Rex Ballard wrote:
> On Oct 7, 3:16 pm, Oxford <colalovesm...@mac.com> wrote:
>> ultim...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>> Agreed. Linux is the classic case of "too many cooks in the
>>>> kitchen."
>>
>>>> If Linux were going to succeed in the consumer market it would
>>>> have done so already.
>
> Not necessarily. Remember, Linux competes with a company who blocks
> all access to the retail display space. A Linux customer must
> purchase and install Linux without the benefit of an OEM preinstalled
> system.

I certainly see your point. But, if you don't like Microsoft's terms, don't
agree to them. Kick MS out the door. Do the right thing.
 
On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 14:45:12 -0500, Stephan Rose <nospam@spammer.com>
wrote:

>On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 13:16:30 -0600, Oxford wrote:
>
>> ultimauw@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> > Agreed. Linux is the classic case of "too many cooks in the kitchen."
>>> >
>>> > If Linux were going to succeed in the consumer market it would have
>>> > done so already. Now it's simply too-little, too-late as Linux has
>>> > absolutely zero mindset with the consumer. OSX and Vista will
>>> > continue to dominate.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> Maybe there is still hope yet, but it requires the developers to get
>>> together, set aside their egos, and all work on a single master distro.
>>> If they did that, Linux would beat the pants off of Vista and OSX
>>> guaranteed, and perhaps chart the course for the whole computer (and
>>> computer-device) industry away from the lockdown-drm-crippled dreck
>>> that it's been floating in for a while now.
>>
>> yes, and I've told them SEVERAL times they need to concentrate on just
>> one or two distros and let the others die off. they just can't compete
>> until they take this advice.
>>
>> chances are now zero that they can't rally around and heed this advice.
>> they are mostly young kids with no skills outside of playing games or
>> hacking.
>>
>> linux had a chance during the late 90's but blew it. now OSX is the main
>> UNIX distro by a 7 to 1 margin... all because Apple knew about design
>> and understood high quality computing.
>>
>> linux is a total mess now, and it's very sad. I thought at least they
>> would have 1% of the market, but it still hovers around .76 percent. Not
>> good when Apple has jumped to 6.4% in recent months.
>>
>
>I find it funny how everyone takes the statistic of one irrelevant web-
>server of any actual value.

When does it become rlevant then? 10 servers, 100? 1'000?
What about 40'000?

http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=2

0.8% after 15 years of free availability? Linux will never make it.
Face it.

Meanwhile:

http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=5&qpcustom=Windows+Vista
 
In article <1191792966.660220.310560@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
Rex Ballard <rex.ballard@gmail.com> wrote:
> Not necessarily. Remember, Linux competes with a company who blocks
> all access to the retail display space. A Linux customer must
> purchase and install Linux without the benefit of an OEM preinstalled
> system.

Nice fantasy. Exactly what mechanism prevents you from leasing space,
and opening a store there selling Linux computers? (Just like Apple
does to sell Macintosh computers).

Answer: absolutely nothing.

--
--Tim Smith
 
Re: Linux developers MUST consolidate and release a "master" distrofor the general computer/device market.

On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 01:07:42 +0200, OK wrote:

> On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 14:45:12 -0500, Stephan Rose <nospam@spammer.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 13:16:30 -0600, Oxford wrote:
>>
>>> ultimauw@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> > Agreed. Linux is the classic case of "too many cooks in the
>>>> > kitchen."
>>>> >
>>>> > If Linux were going to succeed in the consumer market it would have
>>>> > done so already. Now it's simply too-little, too-late as Linux has
>>>> > absolutely zero mindset with the consumer. OSX and Vista will
>>>> > continue to dominate.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> Maybe there is still hope yet, but it requires the developers to get
>>>> together, set aside their egos, and all work on a single master
>>>> distro. If they did that, Linux would beat the pants off of Vista and
>>>> OSX guaranteed, and perhaps chart the course for the whole computer
>>>> (and computer-device) industry away from the lockdown-drm-crippled
>>>> dreck that it's been floating in for a while now.
>>>
>>> yes, and I've told them SEVERAL times they need to concentrate on just
>>> one or two distros and let the others die off. they just can't compete
>>> until they take this advice.
>>>
>>> chances are now zero that they can't rally around and heed this
>>> advice. they are mostly young kids with no skills outside of playing
>>> games or hacking.
>>>
>>> linux had a chance during the late 90's but blew it. now OSX is the
>>> main UNIX distro by a 7 to 1 margin... all because Apple knew about
>>> design and understood high quality computing.
>>>
>>> linux is a total mess now, and it's very sad. I thought at least they
>>> would have 1% of the market, but it still hovers around .76 percent.
>>> Not good when Apple has jumped to 6.4% in recent months.
>>>
>>>
>>I find it funny how everyone takes the statistic of one irrelevant web-
>>server of any actual value.
>
> When does it become rlevant then? 10 servers, 100? 1'000? What about
> 40'000?
>
> http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=2
>
> 0.8% after 15 years of free availability? Linux will never make it. Face
> it.
>
> Meanwhile:
>
> http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=5&qpcustom=Windows
+Vista

Because *who the hell* is hitslink.com!?

Their statistics don't represent the entire web.

Their statistics don't represent users that go to google.com.

Their statistics don't represent users that go to yahoo.com.

Their statistics don't represent users that go to microsoft.com.

I could go on...

Their statistics ONLY represent users that go to THEIR servers. So what
servers, of what significance, do THEY host and what content? Different
content attracts different users which also influences statistics.

What significance does one single server companies' statistic that likely
doesn't even capture 1% of all users have to do on a world-wide scale?

Ultimately their statistics are utterly meaningless.

About the only statistic I would give any credit to would be Google.com's
statistic just simply because it is a neutral site that isn't going to
favor linux, microsoft or mac users. And it is a site that virtually
everyone uses.

Google.com however does not show their statistics. Smart move.

And, if you still don't get it....here is an example

marketshare.hitslink.com claims 0.8%

www.w3schools.com claims 3.4%

So who is right now? Is it 0.8%? Is it 3.4%?

If you don't answer that question with "Neither one" then you probably
don't nor ever will get it.

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In message <reply_in_group-2A5541.16163207102007@news.supernews.com> Tim
Smith <reply_in_group@mouse-potato.com> wrote:

>In article <1191792966.660220.310560@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
> Rex Ballard <rex.ballard@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Not necessarily. Remember, Linux competes with a company who blocks
>> all access to the retail display space. A Linux customer must
>> purchase and install Linux without the benefit of an OEM preinstalled
>> system.
>
>Nice fantasy. Exactly what mechanism prevents you from leasing space,
>and opening a store there selling Linux computers? (Just like Apple
>does to sell Macintosh computers).
>
>Answer: absolutely nothing.

Lack of funds. Lack of venture capitalists that won't look into what
he's doing and realize he won't make any money?

--
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Re: Linux developers MUST consolidate and release a "master" distrofor the general computer/device market.

Tim Smith wrote:
> In article <1191792966.660220.310560@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
> Rex Ballard <rex.ballard@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Not necessarily. Remember, Linux competes with a company who blocks
>> all access to the retail display space. A Linux customer must
>> purchase and install Linux without the benefit of an OEM preinstalled
>> system.
>
> Nice fantasy. Exactly what mechanism prevents you from leasing space,
> and opening a store there selling Linux computers? (Just like Apple
> does to sell Macintosh computers).
>
> Answer: absolutely nothing.
>

A major computer chain in Spain is doing just that and selling a lot of
computers with Ubuntu preinstalled. Welcome to the 21st century. Linux
will first become popular in Europe where computer users are a bit more
sophisticated than they ones who buy their computers at Best Buy or
Walmart. Firefox is used much more in Europe than Internet Exploder for
the same reason.

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Per Stephan Rose:
>The only main significant difference between any distributions is what
>they come with out of the box. That's largely irrelevant.

Well, I tried dabbling in Linux a couple of times. Last time
around, I installed Ubuntu. Had to do something or other - and
the OS' prompt was to log out and log back in again.

Dutifully logged out.

When I tried to log back in again, it wanted a UserID and
Password.

Somebody, somewhere probably knows the default ID/PW for that
particular distro/install - but there was zilch in the install
procedure about it and I Googled for about 45 minutes without
success.
--
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DevilsPGD <spam_narf_spam@crazyhat.net> writes:

> In message <reply_in_group-2A5541.16163207102007@news.supernews.com> Tim
> Smith <reply_in_group@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
>
>>In article <1191792966.660220.310560@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
>> Rex Ballard <rex.ballard@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Not necessarily. Remember, Linux competes with a company who blocks
>>> all access to the retail display space. A Linux customer must
>>> purchase and install Linux without the benefit of an OEM preinstalled
>>> system.
>>
>>Nice fantasy. Exactly what mechanism prevents you from leasing space,
>>and opening a store there selling Linux computers? (Just like Apple
>>does to sell Macintosh computers).
>>
>>Answer: absolutely nothing.
>
> Lack of funds. Lack of venture capitalists that won't look into what
> he's doing and realize he won't make any money?

How can he make any money? Linux users don't pay for the OS and
certainly wont pay the hourly rate required for a computer professional
to install their custom kernels.

The only way would be disk cloning and a good "Lets get started" FAQ on
how to use Synaptic and the like.

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Look afar and see the end from the beginning.
 
Re: Linux developers MUST consolidate and release a "master" distrofor the general computer/device market.

ultimauw@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Oct 6, 4:19 pm, "Randy Oaks" <ro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> <bones4jo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1191705624.157060.40790@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Oct 6, 3:47 pm, Gene Jones <ja...@janus.com> wrote:
>>>> Dean Plude <xenop...@charter.net> wrote:
>>>>> In my many years using linux I have come to know that to truly support
>>>>> and promote linux as I did with brunswick and many others is simply
>>>>> show
>>>>> large companies that there are choices in an OS and that they do not
>>>>> have to pay a fortune to get.I will never forget when I gave the head
>>>>> manufacturing engineer a Debian BO disk and simplly said check it out .
>>>>> that was all it took.
>>>>> Remember World Domination is our ultimate goal.
>>>> Linux will never achieve anything close to world domination unless the
>>>> users unite and follow Apple's OSX direction. Now Linux has pretty much
>>>> become a footnote in history compared to what apple is doing with UNIX.
>>>> So unless that changes, it's a slow fade to black for the Linux
>>>> community.
>>>> You guys have a chance, but you must "unite" - it's that simple.
>>>> OSX is now about 9 times as large in the world, 6 years ago you guys
>>>> were neck and neck. What happened? No leadership is the answer.
>>>> Within the next few weeks, OSX is going to be a CERTIFIED UNIX.
>>>> Why isn't Linux up to this certification level?
>>>> http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/unix/
>>> Linux is far too fragmented to accomplish anything useful.
>>> It's two hundred thousand developers all trying to release their own
>>> version of Linux.
>> Agreed. Linux is the classic case of "too many cooks in the kitchen."
>>
>> If Linux were going to succeed in the consumer market it would have done so
>> already. Now it's simply too-little, too-late as Linux has absolutely zero
>> mindset with the consumer. OSX and Vista will continue to dominate.
>>
>
> Maybe there is still hope yet, but it requires the developers to get
> together, set aside their egos, and all work on a single master
> distro. If they did that, Linux would beat the pants off of Vista and
> OSX guaranteed, and perhaps chart the course for the whole computer
> (and computer-device) industry away from the lockdown-drm-crippled
> dreck that it's been floating in for a while now.

So, who's good ideas are we prepared to give up? Could we live with the
loss of developers and interest? Where will new ideas get tested and
promoted? What's the advantage? I'm not having compatibility problems.
Are you?
 
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