64 Bit DVD-RAM Drive Displays As CD Drive In My Computer

[DaffyD®]

When I insert a blank DVD into the drive, the icon changes from DVD-RAM

Drive to CD Drive and a windows opens up asking what I

would like to do with the CD. After I eject the blank DVD, the icon

returns to displaying DVD-RAM Drive. However, when I insert a DVD

video into the drive, it will be recognized as such. A DVD data

disc is correctly displayed as DVD ROM. The drive reads any disk I

insert, and the drive is also recognized by most of my DVD burning

software. I've also updated to the latest firmware for the drive.

I've checked online and this problem seems to have existed for

years with Windows XP.

The question is, why does the icon change to CD Drive when I insert a blank

DVD disc and then only give me options for working with a CD?



Make: LG Model: GH22LP20. Their website was no help at all I'm also

waiting for a response from their customer service dept. I didn't specify my

hardware because this situation has also occurred with HP, Pioneer and other

manufacturers over the past few years. I think it's an XP issue, not

hardware-based. I asked this question in another newsgroup but didn't get a

solution there.







__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4845 (20100207) __________



The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.



http://www.eset.com

 

[peter]

Because XP cannot write to a DVD.........and you inserted a blank DVD.

peter



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"DaffyD®" wrote in message

news:#A2OrrGqKHA.4648@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> When I insert a blank DVD into the drive, the icon changes from DVD-RAM Drive

> to CD Drive and a windows opens up asking what I

> would like to do with the CD. After I eject the blank DVD, the icon

> returns to displaying DVD-RAM Drive. However, when I insert a DVD

> video into the drive, it will be recognized as such. A DVD data

> disc is correctly displayed as DVD ROM. The drive reads any disk I

> insert, and the drive is also recognized by most of my DVD burning

> software. I've also updated to the latest firmware for the drive.

> I've checked online and this problem seems to have existed for

> years with Windows XP.

> The question is, why does the icon change to CD Drive when I insert a blank

> DVD disc and then only give me options for working with a CD?

>

> Make: LG Model: GH22LP20. Their website was no help at all I'm also

> waiting for a response from their customer service dept. I didn't specify my

> hardware because this situation has also occurred with HP, Pioneer and other

> manufacturers over the past few years. I think it's an XP issue, not

> hardware-based. I asked this question in another newsgroup but didn't get a

> solution there.

>

>

>

> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature

> database 4845 (20100207) __________

>

> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.

>

> http://www.eset.com

>

>

>

>

 

[DaffyD®]

So this is "normal" behaviour for XP?



"peter" wrote in message

news:uJBca7GqKHA.2076@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> Because XP cannot write to a DVD.........and you inserted a blank DVD.

> peter

>

> --

> If you find a posting or message from me offensive,inappropriate

> or disruptive,please ignore it.

> If you dont know how to ignore a posting complain

> to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate

>

> "DaffyD®" wrote in message

> news:#A2OrrGqKHA.4648@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> When I insert a blank DVD into the drive, the icon changes from DVD-RAM

>> Drive to CD Drive and a windows opens up asking what I

>> would like to do with the CD. After I eject the blank DVD, the icon

>> returns to displaying DVD-RAM Drive. However, when I insert a DVD

>> video into the drive, it will be recognized as such. A DVD data

>> disc is correctly displayed as DVD ROM. The drive reads any disk I

>> insert, and the drive is also recognized by most of my DVD burning

>> software. I've also updated to the latest firmware for the drive.

>> I've checked online and this problem seems to have existed for

>> years with Windows XP.

>> The question is, why does the icon change to CD Drive when I insert a

>> blank DVD disc and then only give me options for working with a CD?

>>

>> Make: LG Model: GH22LP20. Their website was no help at all I'm also

>> waiting for a response from their customer service dept. I didn't specify

>> my

>> hardware because this situation has also occurred with HP, Pioneer and

>> other

>> manufacturers over the past few years. I think it's an XP issue, not

>> hardware-based. I asked this question in another newsgroup but didn't

>> get a solution there.

>>

>>

>>

>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus

>> signature database 4845 (20100207) __________

>>

>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.

>>

>> http://www.eset.com

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus

> signature database 4846 (20100208) __________

>

> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.

>

> http://www.eset.com

>

>

>







__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4846 (20100208) __________



The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.



http://www.eset.com

 

[VanguardLH]

DaffyD wrote:



> So this is "normal" behaviour for XP?



You will have to get burning software. Some is free, like Ashampoo 2010,

Nero 9 Lite, and CDburnerXP Pro.



> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4846 (20100208) __________

>

> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.

>

> http://www.eset.com



Stop spamming the newsgroups. All it does it tack on superfluous text and

makes you look foolish as though anyone is going to believe a post is clean

because it says it is. It makes you their spamming affiliate. This isn't

even a signature (there is no "-- \n" sigdash delimiter) so the spam is

inside the body of your post. Turn the option off to spamify your posts.

 

[DaffyD®]

Are you directing the comment about spamming newsgroups to me?



"VanguardLH" wrote in message

news:hko9u0$l4k$1@news.albasani.net...

> DaffyD wrote:

>

>> So this is "normal" behaviour for XP?

>

> You will have to get burning software. Some is free, like Ashampoo 2010,

> Nero 9 Lite, and CDburnerXP Pro.

>

>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus

>> signature database 4846 (20100208) __________

>>

>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.

>>

>> http://www.eset.com

>

> Stop spamming the newsgroups. All it does it tack on superfluous text and

> makes you look foolish as though anyone is going to believe a post is

> clean

> because it says it is. It makes you their spamming affiliate. This isn't

> even a signature (there is no "-- \n" sigdash delimiter) so the spam is

> inside the body of your post. Turn the option off to spamify your posts.

>

 

[sgopus]

follow the messages, I believe his spamming the newsgroups was directed

toward peter.



"DaffyD®" wrote:



> Are you directing the comment about spamming newsgroups to me?

>

> "VanguardLH" wrote in message

> news:hko9u0$l4k$1@news.albasani.net...

> > DaffyD wrote:

> >

> >> So this is "normal" behaviour for XP?

> >

> > You will have to get burning software. Some is free, like Ashampoo 2010,

> > Nero 9 Lite, and CDburnerXP Pro.

> >

> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus

> >> signature database 4846 (20100208) __________

> >>

> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.

> >>

> >> http://www.eset.com

> >

> > Stop spamming the newsgroups. All it does it tack on superfluous text and

> > makes you look foolish as though anyone is going to believe a post is

> > clean

> > because it says it is. It makes you their spamming affiliate. This isn't

> > even a signature (there is no "-- \n" sigdash delimiter) so the spam is

> > inside the body of your post. Turn the option off to spamify your posts.

> >

>

>

> .

>

 

[Shenan Stanley]

DaffyD® wrote:

> When I insert a blank DVD into the drive, the icon changes from

> DVD-RAM Drive to CD Drive and a windows opens up asking what

> I would like to do with the CD. After I eject the blank DVD, the icon

> returns to displaying DVD-RAM Drive. However, when I insert a DVD

> video into the drive, it will be recognized as such. A DVD data

> disc is correctly displayed as DVD ROM. The drive reads any disk I

> insert, and the drive is also recognized by most of my DVD burning

> software. I've also updated to the latest firmware for the drive.

> I've checked online and this problem seems to have existed for

> years with Windows XP.

>

> The question is, why does the icon change to CD Drive when I insert

> a blank DVD disc and then only give me options for working with a

> CD?

>

> Make: LG Model: GH22LP20. Their website was no help at all I'm

> also waiting for a response from their customer service dept. I

> didn't specify my hardware because this situation has also occurred

> with HP, Pioneer and other manufacturers over the past few years.

> I think it's an XP issue, not hardware-based. I asked this question

> in another newsgroup but didn't get a solution there.



Windows XP never supported burning to DVD +/- R/RW media, only CD.

Therefore - what you are seeing may be a normal consequence of this

fact. For DVD +/- R/RW authoring in Windows XP you have always

needed (and will always likely need) third party software.



Since you do have a DVD-RAM drive (for reasons only you know) I feel

obliged to ask what happens when you insert a DVD-RAM disc for writing?



In any case - this is a quirk caused by the lack of support (which is likely

to continue for Windows XP as it is a dead OS for all intents and purposes

of support and future development beyond security patches) for

DVD +/- R/RW burning.



DVD-RAM, however, was strangely supported... Thus my query about what

happens when you insert a DVD-RAM disc? Although the original list of

actually supported drives does not include yours. -)



Windows XP supports the DVD-RAM file systems

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/283588



And, in some part:

http://www.mytechguide.com/26/using-dvd-ram-disc-under-windows-xp/



And the problem you describe is not, by any means, new (Google - it works):

http://club.myce.com/f61/dvd-rw-drives-show-up-cd-r-drives-upon-disc-insertion-200821/



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[peter]

excuse me .

..I have a signature not a spam message repeated 4 times at the end of the post

about eset nod.32 Antivirus

with a website link

peter



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"sgopus" wrote in message

news:23584969-BF4B-484E-B972-A4E5670A5E6F@microsoft.com...

> follow the messages, I believe his spamming the newsgroups was directed

> toward peter.

>

> "DaffyD®" wrote:

>

>> Are you directing the comment about spamming newsgroups to me?

>>

>> "VanguardLH" wrote in message

>> news:hko9u0$l4k$1@news.albasani.net...

>> > DaffyD wrote:

>> >

>> >> So this is "normal" behaviour for XP?

>> >

>> > You will have to get burning software. Some is free, like Ashampoo 2010,

>> > Nero 9 Lite, and CDburnerXP Pro.

>> >

>> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus

>> >> signature database 4846 (20100208) __________

>> >>

>> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.

>> >>

>> >> http://www.eset.com

>> >

>> > Stop spamming the newsgroups. All it does it tack on superfluous text and

>> > makes you look foolish as though anyone is going to believe a post is

>> > clean

>> > because it says it is. It makes you their spamming affiliate. This isn't

>> > even a signature (there is no "-- \n" sigdash delimiter) so the spam is

>> > inside the body of your post. Turn the option off to spamify your posts.

>> >

>>

>>

>> .

>>

 

[Shenan Stanley]

http://groups.google.com/group/micr....hardware/browse_frm/thread/5819077c7044fc6a/









DaffyD® wrote:

> Are you directing the comment about spamming newsgroups to me?



sgopus wrote:

> follow the messages, I believe his spamming the newsgroups was

> directed toward peter.



peter wrote:

> excuse me .

> .I have a signature not a spam message repeated 4 times at the end

> of the post about eset nod.32 Antivirus

> with a website link



You guys... *grin*



It's very simple, follow the trail.



The accusation of SPAM was made by VanguardLH towards the original poster

(DaffyD®) because of their lack of removing the outgoing eSet NOD32

signature additive:



"__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus

signature database 4845 (20100207) __________

The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.

http://www.eset.com"



Which got added every time DaffyD® responded (excluding the last, guessing

they understood the accusation and were asking rhetorically) in addition to

it having been there from the beginning because of the lack of a

recognized/common signature delimiter.



It's one of those annoying defaults most who utilize their purchased

products actively tend to remove rather quickly. -)



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[VanguardLH]

DaffyD® wrote:



> Are you directing the comment about spamming newsgroups to me?



Yep. And now I see you did not append the "ESET NOD32 Antivirus" spam in

your post.

 

[VanguardLH]

sgopus wrote:



> follow the messages, I believe his spamming the newsgroups was directed

> toward peter.



Nope. Daffy configured (which is probably the default) his anti-virus

software to append its pseudo-signature (because it isn't a real signature

due to the absence of a sigdash line). No one cares what AV program he

uses. No one is going to believe a post is uninfected because it says so.

Users of AV products that insert this promotional crap in newsgroup posts

(and also in outbound e-mails) are acting as spamming affiliates for those

programs. All it really does is make the sender/poster look foolish.

 

[VanguardLH]

peter wrote:



> excuse me .

> .I have a signature not a spam message repeated 4 times at the end of the post

> about eset nod.32 Antivirus

> with a website link

> peter



Except you place your signature at the wrong location. Signatures ALWAYS go

at the bottom of your post regardless of whether you like to top- or bottom-

post. There is only the start-of-signature delimiter line ("-- \n") aka

sigdash line. There is no end-of-signature delimiter. That means

EVERYTHING after the sigdash becomes part of your *signature*. Even many

MVPs can't seem to figure out this simple logic in how signatures work.

Typically those that place the signature at the top (after their top-posted

addition) are using OE which, in the past, improperly positioned the sigdash

line (after they got around to creating a valid one) after the top-posted

content rather than at the bottom.



This is not a "OE is a bad newsreader" argument. It takes but 2 brain cells

to cogitate on the use of the sigstart delimiter and realizing there is no

matching sigend delimiter to realize that everything past the sigstart line

is, gee, all part of a signature. As of SP-2 for Windows XP, a registry

edit became available for OE where the user can specify whether to top- or

bottom-post and to place the signature at the end. Rare few users ever

bothered to read the release notes for SP-2.



Service Pack 2 for Windows XP introduced registry settings where you can

decide if OE defaults to top- or bottom-posting style and also to where the

signature gets placed (which should ALWAYS be at the end regardless of top-

or bottom-posting style because there is only the start-of-sig delimiter and

no end-of-sig delimiter).



From KB 886340:

"List of Outlook Express fixes that are in Windows XP Service Pack 2 and

in Windows XP PC Tablet Edition 2005"



http://support.microsoft.com/kb/886340



However, these settings apply to BOTH e-mails and newsgroup posts. OE does

not afford separate style controls for e-mail versus newsgroups regarding

bottom/top posting and sig position. That is why some users that know about

the registry hacks don't use them. They may want to bottom-post for their

newsgroup posts but continue to top-post for their e-mail replies. Since

they use e-mail more often than visit newsgroups, they leave OE configured

to top-post and then choose whether or not to simply reposition the insert

cursor when they begin editing their reply post. However, the signature

should still go at the bottom even for e-mails and it is a separate option.



Top-posting is a style choice but most OE users didn't make a choice. They

just use what the client defaults to using. Even if you like top-posting,

that doesn't preclude you from properly placing your signature at the end

however, again due to lazy users, most don't know about the option and many

that do simply refuse to enable it. They're too lazy to find out, they're

too lazy to change, they're too lazy (or scared) to make the registry edits.

Users are not alone in being lazy. Many MVPs don't bother to properly

position their signature, too.



In your case, everything past:



--

If you find ...



became part of your *signature*, including the quoted posts.

 

[Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]]

Peter,

I love your signature!

Russ



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"peter" wrote in message

news:u85uduSqKHA.3824@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> excuse me .

> .I have a signature not a spam message repeated 4 times at the end of the

> post about eset nod.32 Antivirus

> with a website link

> peter

>

> --

> If you find a posting or message from me offensive,inappropriate

> or disruptive,please ignore it.

> If you dont know how to ignore a posting complain

> to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate

>

> "sgopus" wrote in message

> news:23584969-BF4B-484E-B972-A4E5670A5E6F@microsoft.com...

>> follow the messages, I believe his spamming the newsgroups was directed

>> toward peter.

>>

>> "DaffyD®" wrote:

>>

>>> Are you directing the comment about spamming newsgroups to me?

>>>

>>> "VanguardLH" wrote in message

>>> news:hko9u0$l4k$1@news.albasani.net...

>>> > DaffyD wrote:

>>> >

>>> >> So this is "normal" behaviour for XP?

>>> >

>>> > You will have to get burning software. Some is free, like Ashampoo

>>> > 2010,

>>> > Nero 9 Lite, and CDburnerXP Pro.

>>> >

>>> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus

>>> >> signature database 4846 (20100208) __________

>>> >>

>>> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.

>>> >>

>>> >> http://www.eset.com

>>> >

>>> > Stop spamming the newsgroups. All it does it tack on superfluous text

>>> > and

>>> > makes you look foolish as though anyone is going to believe a post is

>>> > clean

>>> > because it says it is. It makes you their spamming affiliate. This

>>> > isn't

>>> > even a signature (there is no "-- \n" sigdash delimiter) so the spam

>>> > is

>>> > inside the body of your post. Turn the option off to spamify your

>>> > posts.

>>> >

>>>

>>>

>>> .

>>>

 

[DaffyD®]

This is a non-issue which I will no longer address. Besides, I'm no longer

using NOD32.



"VanguardLH" wrote in message

news:hkqkdu$q1o$1@news.albasani.net...

> peter wrote:

>

>> excuse me .

>> .I have a signature not a spam message repeated 4 times at the end of the

>> post

>> about eset nod.32 Antivirus

>> with a website link

>> peter

>

> Except you place your signature at the wrong location. Signatures ALWAYS

> go

> at the bottom of your post regardless of whether you like to top- or

> bottom-

> post. There is only the start-of-signature delimiter line ("-- \n") aka

> sigdash line. There is no end-of-signature delimiter. That means

> EVERYTHING after the sigdash becomes part of your *signature*. Even many

> MVPs can't seem to figure out this simple logic in how signatures work.

> Typically those that place the signature at the top (after their

> top-posted

> addition) are using OE which, in the past, improperly positioned the

> sigdash

> line (after they got around to creating a valid one) after the top-posted

> content rather than at the bottom.

>

> This is not a "OE is a bad newsreader" argument. It takes but 2 brain

> cells

> to cogitate on the use of the sigstart delimiter and realizing there is no

> matching sigend delimiter to realize that everything past the sigstart

> line

> is, gee, all part of a signature. As of SP-2 for Windows XP, a registry

> edit became available for OE where the user can specify whether to top- or

> bottom-post and to place the signature at the end. Rare few users ever

> bothered to read the release notes for SP-2.

>

> Service Pack 2 for Windows XP introduced registry settings where you can

> decide if OE defaults to top- or bottom-posting style and also to where

> the

> signature gets placed (which should ALWAYS be at the end regardless of

> top-

> or bottom-posting style because there is only the start-of-sig delimiter

> and

> no end-of-sig delimiter).

>

> From KB 886340:

> "List of Outlook Express fixes that are in Windows XP Service Pack 2 and

> in Windows XP PC Tablet Edition 2005"

>

> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/886340

>

> However, these settings apply to BOTH e-mails and newsgroup posts. OE

> does

> not afford separate style controls for e-mail versus newsgroups regarding

> bottom/top posting and sig position. That is why some users that know

> about

> the registry hacks don't use them. They may want to bottom-post for their

> newsgroup posts but continue to top-post for their e-mail replies. Since

> they use e-mail more often than visit newsgroups, they leave OE configured

> to top-post and then choose whether or not to simply reposition the insert

> cursor when they begin editing their reply post. However, the signature

> should still go at the bottom even for e-mails and it is a separate

> option.

>

> Top-posting is a style choice but most OE users didn't make a choice.

> They

> just use what the client defaults to using. Even if you like top-posting,

> that doesn't preclude you from properly placing your signature at the end

> however, again due to lazy users, most don't know about the option and

> many

> that do simply refuse to enable it. They're too lazy to find out, they're

> too lazy to change, they're too lazy (or scared) to make the registry

> edits.

> Users are not alone in being lazy. Many MVPs don't bother to properly

> position their signature, too.

>

> In your case, everything past:

>

> --

> If you find ...

>

> became part of your *signature*, including the quoted posts.

>

 

[DaffyD®]

For some reason, after I installed the LG drive, it appeared in My Computer

as DVD-RAM Drive. And now, ever since I installed a new antivirus program, I

no longer see the change to CD Drive--it remains DVD-RAM Drive when I insert

a blank DVD or CD disk. Maybe a Windows Update fixed it or perhaps I fixed

the registry somehow. But the problem is solved.

--

DaffyD® ( : []=



If I knew where I was I'd be there now.





"Shenan Stanley" wrote in message

news:uLLzrNSqKHA.4752@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> DaffyD® wrote:

>> When I insert a blank DVD into the drive, the icon changes from

>> DVD-RAM Drive to CD Drive and a windows opens up asking what

>> I would like to do with the CD. After I eject the blank DVD, the icon

>> returns to displaying DVD-RAM Drive. However, when I insert a DVD

>> video into the drive, it will be recognized as such. A DVD data

>> disc is correctly displayed as DVD ROM. The drive reads any disk I

>> insert, and the drive is also recognized by most of my DVD burning

>> software. I've also updated to the latest firmware for the drive.

>> I've checked online and this problem seems to have existed for

>> years with Windows XP.

>>

>> The question is, why does the icon change to CD Drive when I insert

>> a blank DVD disc and then only give me options for working with a

>> CD?

>>

>> Make: LG Model: GH22LP20. Their website was no help at all I'm

>> also waiting for a response from their customer service dept. I

>> didn't specify my hardware because this situation has also occurred

>> with HP, Pioneer and other manufacturers over the past few years.

>> I think it's an XP issue, not hardware-based. I asked this question

>> in another newsgroup but didn't get a solution there.

>

> Windows XP never supported burning to DVD +/- R/RW media, only CD.

> Therefore - what you are seeing may be a normal consequence of this

> fact. For DVD +/- R/RW authoring in Windows XP you have always

> needed (and will always likely need) third party software.

>

> Since you do have a DVD-RAM drive (for reasons only you know) I feel

> obliged to ask what happens when you insert a DVD-RAM disc for writing?

>

> In any case - this is a quirk caused by the lack of support (which is

> likely

> to continue for Windows XP as it is a dead OS for all intents and purposes

> of support and future development beyond security patches) for

> DVD +/- R/RW burning.

>

> DVD-RAM, however, was strangely supported... Thus my query about what

> happens when you insert a DVD-RAM disc? Although the original list of

> actually supported drives does not include yours. -)

>

> Windows XP supports the DVD-RAM file systems

> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/283588

>

> And, in some part:

> http://www.mytechguide.com/26/using-dvd-ram-disc-under-windows-xp/

>

> And the problem you describe is not, by any means, new (Google - it

> works):

> http://club.myce.com/f61/dvd-rw-drives-show-up-cd-r-drives-upon-disc-insertion-200821/

>

> --

> Shenan Stanley

> MS-MVP

> --

> How To Ask Questions The Smart Way

> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

>

>

 

[Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]]

There's a big difference in not knowing

and not caring...



Russ



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"VanguardLH" wrote in message

news:hkqkdu$q1o$1@news.albasani.net...

> peter wrote:

>

>> excuse me .

>> .I have a signature not a spam message repeated 4 times at the end of the

>> post

>> about eset nod.32 Antivirus

>> with a website link

>> peter

>

> Except you place your signature at the wrong location. Signatures ALWAYS

> go

> at the bottom of your post regardless of whether you like to top- or

> bottom-

> post. There is only the start-of-signature delimiter line ("-- \n") aka

> sigdash line. There is no end-of-signature delimiter. That means

> EVERYTHING after the sigdash becomes part of your *signature*. Even many

> MVPs can't seem to figure out this simple logic in how signatures work.

> Typically those that place the signature at the top (after their

> top-posted

> addition) are using OE which, in the past, improperly positioned the

> sigdash

> line (after they got around to creating a valid one) after the top-posted

> content rather than at the bottom.

>

> This is not a "OE is a bad newsreader" argument. It takes but 2 brain

> cells

> to cogitate on the use of the sigstart delimiter and realizing there is no

> matching sigend delimiter to realize that everything past the sigstart

> line

> is, gee, all part of a signature. As of SP-2 for Windows XP, a registry

> edit became available for OE where the user can specify whether to top- or

> bottom-post and to place the signature at the end. Rare few users ever

> bothered to read the release notes for SP-2.

>

> Service Pack 2 for Windows XP introduced registry settings where you can

> decide if OE defaults to top- or bottom-posting style and also to where

> the

> signature gets placed (which should ALWAYS be at the end regardless of

> top-

> or bottom-posting style because there is only the start-of-sig delimiter

> and

> no end-of-sig delimiter).

>

> From KB 886340:

> "List of Outlook Express fixes that are in Windows XP Service Pack 2 and

> in Windows XP PC Tablet Edition 2005"

>

> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/886340

>

> However, these settings apply to BOTH e-mails and newsgroup posts. OE

> does

> not afford separate style controls for e-mail versus newsgroups regarding

> bottom/top posting and sig position. That is why some users that know

> about

> the registry hacks don't use them. They may want to bottom-post for their

> newsgroup posts but continue to top-post for their e-mail replies. Since

> they use e-mail more often than visit newsgroups, they leave OE configured

> to top-post and then choose whether or not to simply reposition the insert

> cursor when they begin editing their reply post. However, the signature

> should still go at the bottom even for e-mails and it is a separate

> option.

>

> Top-posting is a style choice but most OE users didn't make a choice.

> They

> just use what the client defaults to using. Even if you like top-posting,

> that doesn't preclude you from properly placing your signature at the end

> however, again due to lazy users, most don't know about the option and

> many

> that do simply refuse to enable it. They're too lazy to find out, they're

> too lazy to change, they're too lazy (or scared) to make the registry

> edits.

> Users are not alone in being lazy. Many MVPs don't bother to properly

> position their signature, too.

>

> In your case, everything past:

>

> --

> If you find ...

>

> became part of your *signature*, including the quoted posts.

 

[VanguardLH]

DaffyD® wrote:



> This is a non-issue which I will no longer address. Besides, I'm no longer

> using NOD32.



Hopefully you are still using some anti-virus/malware program to protect

your host. The point was to merely and very easily configure the anti-virus

program to stop spamifying your posts (by NOT appending its non-signature

into the body of your post). NOD32 isn't the only AV program that has this

feature that cajoles it users into becoming spamming affiliates. Avast that

I use also has this "feature" which is not only spamming but makes the

poster look stupid by pretending the added text would in any way guarantee

the post was malware-free.



It wasn't necessary to stop using NOD32. Scanning your inbound NNTP posts

might have some value *if* you frequent the binary groups. But scanning

outbound posts and/or spammifying those outbound posts with their

advertisement is so ridiculous and amateurish.



On reflection, I should've probably added "OT:" to the Subject header in

this subthread.