Oh, I had thought that was it, yes I am willing to try anything else. Strangest thing though, I am now trying to reload win7 on their 2nd identical pc and when it's getting to the end I am getting these error messages:
Windows setup could not configure windows to run on this computer's hardware.
but on this 2nd pc, I am getting another error
Windows could not complete the installation. To install windows on this computer, restart the installation.
When i restart it keeps going back to that error. If ok with you, help me load windows on this one first please then we can address the windows updating issue on the other? I am suspecting hard drive issues on both these pc's.