Booting into DOS

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In order to boot into DOS is it necessary to create a boot disk or is there
any other way like in Win98?
 
yeh,
recovery console
via your windows cd


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"Ultraglide" <sscully2.trash@cogeco.trash.ca> wrote in message
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> In order to boot into DOS is it necessary to create a boot disk or is
> there any other way like in Win98?
>
 
Put a floppy into the drive, go to My Computer, right click the A drive,
pick format from the menu, check the bottom box on the format screen...it
says "Create an MS-DOS startup disk"

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"Ultraglide" <sscully2.trash@cogeco.trash.ca> wrote in message
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> In order to boot into DOS is it necessary to create a boot disk or is
> there any other way like in Win98?
>
 
To boot to a command prompt (DOS screen) hit F8 before windows loads, pick
safe mode command prompt.
You can also open a DOS window by using Start>Run>cmd

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"Ultraglide" <sscully2.trash@cogeco.trash.ca> wrote in message
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> In order to boot into DOS is it necessary to create a boot disk or is
> there any other way like in Win98?
>
 
Tried both. Does "Deltree" not work?
"NotMe" <cargodZeroOne@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Put a floppy into the drive, go to My Computer, right click the A drive,
> pick format from the menu, check the bottom box on the format screen...it
> says "Create an MS-DOS startup disk"
>
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> "Ultraglide" <sscully2.trash@cogeco.trash.ca> wrote in message
> news:uHH$XSnwHHA.2076@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> In order to boot into DOS is it necessary to create a boot disk or is
>> there any other way like in Win98?
>>
>
>
 
The Recovery Console does *not* boot to DOS and you can't do anything
DOS in the RC. Have you ever tried running a DOS program in there?

John

db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. . wrote:

> yeh,
> recovery console
> via your windows cd
>
>
 
Those are *not* DOS.

John

NotMe wrote:

> To boot to a command prompt (DOS screen) hit F8 before windows loads, pick
> safe mode command prompt.
> You can also open a DOS window by using Start>Run>cmd
>
 
You cannot do it like in Windows 98. You need to create a DOS boot disk
or have DOS installed on the hard drive and have an entry to it in the
boot.ini file.

John

Ultraglide wrote:

> In order to boot into DOS is it necessary to create a boot disk or is there
> any other way like in Win98?
>
>
 
I noticed that you used the term DELTREE on this post. Are you attempting
to delete a folder and it's contents like you could on Win 98 systems?

The program will work (on a FAT32 formatted drive) but it isn't included on
a Win XP disk As it is an "external" program to DOS you would have to
create a 98 or ME system boot disk and copy it (DELTREE.EXE) from the
install CD to the floppy.

You can do the exact same thing from the Win XP command line by typing RD
C:\DUMP /S /Q (modified from http://malektips.com/2000wd0008.html)

This deletes the C:\DUMP directory and all subdirectories WITHOUT WARNING!

Use this command with caution! One slip-up and you could accidentally delete
important files from your hard drive just like you could do with the DELTREE
command.


"Ultraglide" <sscully2.trash@cogeco.trash.ca> wrote in message
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> Tried both. Does "Deltree" not work?
> "NotMe" <cargodZeroOne@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:OP4mw0nwHHA.4300@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Put a floppy into the drive, go to My Computer, right click the A drive,
>> pick format from the menu, check the bottom box on the format screen...it
>> says "Create an MS-DOS startup disk"
>>
>> --
>> A Professional Amateur...If anyone knew it all, none of would be here!
>> CarGodZeroOne@hotmail.com
>> Change Alpha to Numeric to reply
>> "Ultraglide" <sscully2.trash@cogeco.trash.ca> wrote in message
>> news:uHH$XSnwHHA.2076@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> In order to boot into DOS is it necessary to create a boot disk or is
>>> there any other way like in Win98?
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
 
"Ultraglide" <sscully2.trash@cogeco.trash.ca> wrote in message
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> In order to boot into DOS is it necessary to create a boot disk or is
> there any other way like in Win98?

DOS boot disks will technically "work", but there are some things you don't
appear to be aware of.

First, and most importantly, DOS boot disks generally won't recognise XP
hard disks over 30 meg.

That's because disks of that size are normally NTFS, and DOS can't read them
without 3rd party drivers you'd remember paying for.

Second, NTFS is not FAT or FAT32. NTFS has permissions that FAT knows
nothing of.

Third, the XP or Recovery Console command prompt is *not* DOS. It's XP,
but without the pictures.

If you are planning to boot with a DOS diskette and run DOS commands on an
NTFS disk, the short answer is no. The disk won't even be recognised.
Stop, and learn.

If you boot with just about any bootable XP CD, and go to the Recovery
Console, there are a lot of very effective commands available, though by
default, the folders the Recovery Console can access are limited.

What exactly is it you wished to do?

HTH
-pk
 
"Ultraglide" <sscully2.trash@cogeco.trash.ca> wrote in message
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> In order to boot into DOS is it necessary to create a boot disk or is
> there any other way like in Win98?
>

Not an XP OS question.

There's multitude of ways to make a boot diskette in the windows 98 OS.
Assuming the floppy is formatted and in the floppy diskette drive:

1. Press F8 at the proper time during windows startup, you will have an
msdos screen. Type in "sys a:"

2. Make a startup diskette, and eliminate all the files with windows
explorer except io.sys, msdos.sys, and command.com

3. With windows explorer, right click the floppy drive. Select copy system
files.

4. Exit to dos while in windows, do same as noted in first instruction last
sentence.

5. Get a 98 boot image from bootdisk.com and restore to a floppy. (works
in 98 and XP).

If you're another ninny using fdisk for large capacity hard drives, don't

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=263044

Dave
 
"Patrick Keenan" <test@dev.null> wrote in message
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> "Ultraglide" <sscully2.trash@cogeco.trash.ca> wrote in message
> news:uHH$XSnwHHA.2076@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> In order to boot into DOS is it necessary to create a boot disk or is
>> there any other way like in Win98?
>
> DOS boot disks will technically "work", but there are some things you
> don't appear to be aware of.
>
> First, and most importantly, DOS boot disks generally won't recognise XP
> hard disks over 30 meg.
>
> That's because disks of that size are normally NTFS, and DOS can't read
> them without 3rd party drivers you'd remember paying for.
>
> Second, NTFS is not FAT or FAT32. NTFS has permissions that FAT knows
> nothing of.
>

I'm not sure that you understand this. A DOS disk will not see an NTFS disk
at all.
 
granted dos and windowsnt
are different, but i interpreted
the question as one looking
for similar methodology for
accessing the file system.

the o.p. said nothing about
running dos programs.

if you have a better answer
then i would be pleased to read your
response to the o.p.

"DONT HAVE A COW MANN MANN"

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"John John" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
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> The Recovery Console does *not* boot to DOS and you can't do anything
> DOS in the RC. Have you ever tried running a DOS program in there?
>
> John
>
> db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. . wrote:
>
>> yeh,
>> recovery console
>> via your windows cd
>>
 
db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. . wrote:

> granted dos and windowsnt
> are different, but i interpreted
> the question as one looking
> for similar methodology for
> accessing the file system.
>
> the o.p. said nothing about
> running dos programs.
>
> if you have a better answer
> then i would be pleased to read your
> response to the o.p.
>
> "DONT HAVE A COW MANN MANN"

I'm not having a cow, I am in the spring calving heard, not the summer
calving bunch...

If you would have read the OP's post twice you would have known that he
wanted to boot to real DOS as: "...is it necessary to create a boot
disk or is there any other way like in Win98?"

Why he wants to boot to DOS or what he is trying to accomplish is beyond
me, but almost any answer other than "yeh, recovery console" is a better
answer, the Recovery Console has absolutely nothing to do with DOS and
only a handful of commands and directories are available in the RC.

John
 
Ultraglide wrote:
> In order to boot into DOS is it necessary to create a boot disk or is there
> any other way like in Win98?
>
>


There is no way to reboot a WinXP PC into Real Mode DOS unless
you've set up a dual-boot system, or use a bootable MS-DOS diskette or
CD. And even then, you'd likely have no access to the hard drive's
contents, if using the NTFS file system. The WinNT family of 32-bit
graphical operating systems, of which WinXP is the latest generation,
has never used, included, or "ridden upon" MS-DOS. The Recovery
Console's CLI (Command Line Interface) is the closest you can come to
the old "DOS mode." What, precisely, are you trying to accomplish?


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db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. . wrote:
> yeh,
> recovery console
> via your windows cd
>
>


Wrong! The OP asked about booting into DOS, *NOT* the Recovery
Console's CLI.


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you can access the disk
operating system and
navigate to the root drive
via the recovery console:

http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_1861689147/disk_operating_system.html



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"Bruce Chambers" <bchambers@cable0ne.n3t> wrote in message
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> db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. . wrote:
>> yeh,
>> recovery console
>> via your windows cd
>>
>>
>
>
> Wrong! The OP asked about booting into DOS, *NOT* the Recovery
> Console's CLI.
>
>
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> Bruce Chambers
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> Help us help you:
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> They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin
>
> Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand
> Russell
 
you can access the disk
operating system and
navigate to the root drive
via the recovery console:

http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_1861689147/disk_operating_system.html


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"John John" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
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> db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. . wrote:
>
>> granted dos and windowsnt
>> are different, but i interpreted
>> the question as one looking
>> for similar methodology for
>> accessing the file system.
>>
>> the o.p. said nothing about
>> running dos programs.
>>
>> if you have a better answer
>> then i would be pleased to read your
>> response to the o.p.
>>
>> "DONT HAVE A COW MANN MANN"
>
> I'm not having a cow, I am in the spring calving heard, not the
> summer calving bunch...
>
> If you would have read the OP's post twice you would have known that
> he wanted to boot to real DOS as: "...is it necessary to create a
> boot disk or is there any other way like in Win98?"
>
> Why he wants to boot to DOS or what he is trying to accomplish is
> beyond me, but almost any answer other than "yeh, recovery console" is
> a better answer, the Recovery Console has absolutely nothing to do
> with DOS and only a handful of commands and directories are available
> in the RC.
>
> John
>
 
db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. . wrote:
> you can access the disk
> operating system and
> navigate to the root drive
> via the recovery console:
>


So what? That isn't what the OP asked to do, is it?


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