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gulfcoaster
What I am posting here is discussed in another area. However the big question is how should windows try to respond after a new MOBO,PS and chasse change.
below is a copy from the other discussion group. Thanks for your help....
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So basically, I have a new bare bones system with my old drives.
My system consists of one sata hd, two IDE drives, one IDE CD/DVD and one external WD usb 1 tb hard drive used for backups.
The new system sees all the physical drives and attempts to boot but comes up with "NO OS". I booted up on my recovery dvd and it sees a backup file on the USB drive. However, I have used this external usb drive to backup 2 computers and the backups are in separate directories. naturally it sees the wrong one. I am using Windows 7 family 3 pack upgrade. I have tried to boot from my installation windows disk but it complains that it needs a "CD/DVD" driver and basically halts there. My concern is that the hardware no longer reflects the original upgrade info for windows.
I have a new SATA HD installed. Do I need to buy/install a new copy of windows 7 to use it? If I do, how do I get my files and programs from the backup USB drive so they will work? I thought I would be able to browse for my backup files but I was never given the chance.
It looks like it is close to booting up but can't figure out the new hardware or something.
Any Ideas?
I most likely have failed to explain in enough detail my problem. I will attempt to answer any questions to the best of my ability.
Tom
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Frederik Long replied on
Since you replaced most of your hardware you must re-install Windows onto a clean disk, using your Windows installation DVD. Later on you can restore your data files from your backup medium.
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gulfcoaster replied on
Ya, I thought that was one of my choices. Problem is that I have upgrade disks and no installation disk. Guess I will have to go buy a fresh copy. darn it.
Thanks for info.
Tom
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Frederik Long replied on
Ya, I thought that was one of my choices. Problem is that I have upgrade disks and no installation disk. Guess I will have to go buy a fresh copy.
If this is a preloaded machine then it would have a hidden recovery partition on the hard disk that you can use.
If the disk no longer works then you can order a Factory Restore DVD from the distributor.
If you took the time to create an image of your installation then you can restore Windows from this image.
If none of the above apply then it's down to "Experience is an excellent teacher, if only the lessons weren't so bl.. expensive!"
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Bill Smithers replied on
MVP Community Moderator
A few things I have to point out.
1. You have assembled a new Computer
2. You have been advised to look for a Recovery Partition or contact the Manufacturer for Recovery disks
Recovery partitions are only available when you buy a Computer with a preinstalled OEM Operating System (Dell, HP, etc)
3. Recovery partitions and Recovery disks do not work on a new and different Motherboard, etc., due to the wrong Drivers being installed on the Hard Drive and incorrect matching for Activation
4. If the Operating System came pre-installed on the old machine, it is illegal to do what you did unless you had followed this
"http://www.microsoft.com/oem/en-gb/licensing/sblicensing/pages/licensing_faq.aspx#fbid=iePP5a9JaWJ
Q. If my customer asks me to upgrade a PC with new hardware components, when is a new operating system needed? When would the PC be considered "new"?
A. Generally, an end user can upgrade or replace all of the hardware components on a computer—except the motherboard—and still retain the licence for the original Microsoft OEM operating system software. If the motherboard is upgraded or replaced for reasons other than a defect, then a new computer has been created. Microsoft OEM operating system software cannot be transferred to the new computer, and the licence of new operating system software is required.
If the motherboard is replaced because it is defective, you do not need to acquire a new operating system license for the PC as long as the replacement motherboard is the same make/model or the same manufacturer's replacement/equivalent, as defined by the manufacturer's warranty."
___________________________________________
If you bought your own Retail Windows License, yes , you can transfer it to another machine
Please post back if that is the case..
Cheers.
Microsoft MVP July 2013 - June 2014
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gulfcoaster replied on
Yes Bill,
It is a new build with motherboard being new. I do have a retail Windows7 coming. Should be here Monday. My goal is to be able to recover my programs and data files. What makes this a pain is that 2 of the 3 HDD are formatted for raid and use an IDE interface. I think they are raid 0. My third drive was a sata and only used for data storage. I had to buy a PCI IDE control card to run the old IDE drives. The new motherboard does not have IDE on it. Now the question is, do I need a hardware raid IDE controller so my 2 hard drives can be seen by the new windows? As far as the bios goes it does see the 2 IDE drives and has tagged them as raid. I have no idea how. In all reality, I don't need a raid system at all and hope to save as much as I can before I scrap all IDE drives. I might add, that my DVD drive is also IDE so I needed a dual IDE controller to hook it all up.
I think I am in a catch -22 ( to use and old phrase). IF I install the new windows on the new (4th) hard drive (1 TB SATA) I my able to see the other drives but I will loose most programs on them because I have had them for years and do not have my original install disks for them all.
As a side note: About 8 months ago I downloaded a trail copy of Acronis image backup and backed up my 3 hard drives to my 1TB USB Passport drive. I talked to an Acronis rep and she assured me I would be able to recover everything if I bought their new backup software. But I am still not clear how/if windows would run when it saw the motherboard change. I would think it would crash or complain when I tried to boot the old win7.
Thanks for all your help and comments. Let me know as kindly as you can where you think I stand in this mess.
Tom
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Frederik Long replied on
I don't think you are in a catch-22 situation. Since you will have to re-install Windows, you will also have to re-install all programs. You cannot just copy them from the old to the new disk. This is why it is essential to keep copies of all installation media (or files) and, of course, of all licence keys.
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gulfcoaster replied on
I hear you on the program license keys. I find it interesting however that I paid originally for a 3 user windows 7 license and due to a hardware MOBO and power supply failure I have lost one of my licenses even though everything remains the same.
Thanks for all your help,
Tom
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Frederik Long replied on
I paid originally for a 3 user windows 7 license and due to a hardware MOBO and power supply failure I have lost one of my licenses even though everything remains the same.
If you are referring to the Windows product key then your assumption is incorrect. Full licences (as opposed to OEM licences) are portable. If you have exhausted the number of licences then you can ring Microsoft, explain the situation and obtain a new licence.
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gulfcoaster replied on
Thanks Frederik I will try that. I'm beginning to think I need a IDE raid controller card for my 2 IDE hard drives. It seems to me that windows should try to boot even if the wrong MB. The system worked fine just before the meltdown. Instead I get a NO OS message. Would be a $14 cost to try one in hopes the system can see the Hard drives correctly. If windows tried to boot I would think it would complain at some time and ask for a activation code, then I think I could get a full recovery. Does that make any sense?
Tom
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Frederik Long replied on
I'm beginning to think I need a IDE raid controller card for my 2 IDE hard drives.
To me a RAID system makes no sense in a home environment. It has two advantages, neither of which seems beneficial at home:
It's the downsides that matter to me:
It is rare for owners of a RAID array to check in advance how they would recover from a disaster, e.g. by artificially damaging the boot sector of one of the disks. It's like the fire brigade having some fancy fire fighting equipment but never testing it. Creating/restoring a partition image would be far easier.
The experts in the File Services and Storage Forum might have some useful suggestions for you:
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en/winserverfiles/threads
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below is a copy from the other discussion group. Thanks for your help....
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gulfcoaster asked on
So basically, I have a new bare bones system with my old drives.
My system consists of one sata hd, two IDE drives, one IDE CD/DVD and one external WD usb 1 tb hard drive used for backups.
The new system sees all the physical drives and attempts to boot but comes up with "NO OS". I booted up on my recovery dvd and it sees a backup file on the USB drive. However, I have used this external usb drive to backup 2 computers and the backups are in separate directories. naturally it sees the wrong one. I am using Windows 7 family 3 pack upgrade. I have tried to boot from my installation windows disk but it complains that it needs a "CD/DVD" driver and basically halts there. My concern is that the hardware no longer reflects the original upgrade info for windows.
I have a new SATA HD installed. Do I need to buy/install a new copy of windows 7 to use it? If I do, how do I get my files and programs from the backup USB drive so they will work? I thought I would be able to browse for my backup files but I was never given the chance.
It looks like it is close to booting up but can't figure out the new hardware or something.
Any Ideas?
I most likely have failed to explain in enough detail my problem. I will attempt to answer any questions to the best of my ability.
Tom
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Frederik Long replied on
Since you replaced most of your hardware you must re-install Windows onto a clean disk, using your Windows installation DVD. Later on you can restore your data files from your backup medium.
Found this helpful 0
gulfcoaster replied on
Ya, I thought that was one of my choices. Problem is that I have upgrade disks and no installation disk. Guess I will have to go buy a fresh copy. darn it.
Thanks for info.
Tom
Found this helpful 0
Frederik Long replied on
Ya, I thought that was one of my choices. Problem is that I have upgrade disks and no installation disk. Guess I will have to go buy a fresh copy.
If this is a preloaded machine then it would have a hidden recovery partition on the hard disk that you can use.
If the disk no longer works then you can order a Factory Restore DVD from the distributor.
If you took the time to create an image of your installation then you can restore Windows from this image.
If none of the above apply then it's down to "Experience is an excellent teacher, if only the lessons weren't so bl.. expensive!"
Found this helpful 0
Bill Smithers replied on
MVP Community Moderator
A few things I have to point out.
1. You have assembled a new Computer
2. You have been advised to look for a Recovery Partition or contact the Manufacturer for Recovery disks
Recovery partitions are only available when you buy a Computer with a preinstalled OEM Operating System (Dell, HP, etc)
3. Recovery partitions and Recovery disks do not work on a new and different Motherboard, etc., due to the wrong Drivers being installed on the Hard Drive and incorrect matching for Activation
4. If the Operating System came pre-installed on the old machine, it is illegal to do what you did unless you had followed this
"http://www.microsoft.com/oem/en-gb/licensing/sblicensing/pages/licensing_faq.aspx#fbid=iePP5a9JaWJ
Q. If my customer asks me to upgrade a PC with new hardware components, when is a new operating system needed? When would the PC be considered "new"?
A. Generally, an end user can upgrade or replace all of the hardware components on a computer—except the motherboard—and still retain the licence for the original Microsoft OEM operating system software. If the motherboard is upgraded or replaced for reasons other than a defect, then a new computer has been created. Microsoft OEM operating system software cannot be transferred to the new computer, and the licence of new operating system software is required.
If the motherboard is replaced because it is defective, you do not need to acquire a new operating system license for the PC as long as the replacement motherboard is the same make/model or the same manufacturer's replacement/equivalent, as defined by the manufacturer's warranty."
___________________________________________
If you bought your own Retail Windows License, yes , you can transfer it to another machine
Please post back if that is the case..
Cheers.
Microsoft MVP July 2013 - June 2014
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gulfcoaster replied on
Yes Bill,
It is a new build with motherboard being new. I do have a retail Windows7 coming. Should be here Monday. My goal is to be able to recover my programs and data files. What makes this a pain is that 2 of the 3 HDD are formatted for raid and use an IDE interface. I think they are raid 0. My third drive was a sata and only used for data storage. I had to buy a PCI IDE control card to run the old IDE drives. The new motherboard does not have IDE on it. Now the question is, do I need a hardware raid IDE controller so my 2 hard drives can be seen by the new windows? As far as the bios goes it does see the 2 IDE drives and has tagged them as raid. I have no idea how. In all reality, I don't need a raid system at all and hope to save as much as I can before I scrap all IDE drives. I might add, that my DVD drive is also IDE so I needed a dual IDE controller to hook it all up.
I think I am in a catch -22 ( to use and old phrase). IF I install the new windows on the new (4th) hard drive (1 TB SATA) I my able to see the other drives but I will loose most programs on them because I have had them for years and do not have my original install disks for them all.
As a side note: About 8 months ago I downloaded a trail copy of Acronis image backup and backed up my 3 hard drives to my 1TB USB Passport drive. I talked to an Acronis rep and she assured me I would be able to recover everything if I bought their new backup software. But I am still not clear how/if windows would run when it saw the motherboard change. I would think it would crash or complain when I tried to boot the old win7.
Thanks for all your help and comments. Let me know as kindly as you can where you think I stand in this mess.
Tom
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Frederik Long replied on
I think I am in a catch -22 ( to use and old phrase). IF I install the new windows on the new (4th) hard drive (1 TB SATA) I my able to see the other drives but I will loose most programs on them because I have had them for years and do not have my original install disks for them all.
I don't think you are in a catch-22 situation. Since you will have to re-install Windows, you will also have to re-install all programs. You cannot just copy them from the old to the new disk. This is why it is essential to keep copies of all installation media (or files) and, of course, of all licence keys.
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gulfcoaster replied on
I hear you on the program license keys. I find it interesting however that I paid originally for a 3 user windows 7 license and due to a hardware MOBO and power supply failure I have lost one of my licenses even though everything remains the same.
Thanks for all your help,
Tom
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Frederik Long replied on
I paid originally for a 3 user windows 7 license and due to a hardware MOBO and power supply failure I have lost one of my licenses even though everything remains the same.
If you are referring to the Windows product key then your assumption is incorrect. Full licences (as opposed to OEM licences) are portable. If you have exhausted the number of licences then you can ring Microsoft, explain the situation and obtain a new licence.
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gulfcoaster replied on
Thanks Frederik I will try that. I'm beginning to think I need a IDE raid controller card for my 2 IDE hard drives. It seems to me that windows should try to boot even if the wrong MB. The system worked fine just before the meltdown. Instead I get a NO OS message. Would be a $14 cost to try one in hopes the system can see the Hard drives correctly. If windows tried to boot I would think it would complain at some time and ask for a activation code, then I think I could get a full recovery. Does that make any sense?
Tom
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Frederik Long replied on
I'm beginning to think I need a IDE raid controller card for my 2 IDE hard drives.
To me a RAID system makes no sense in a home environment. It has two advantages, neither of which seems beneficial at home:
- Because it is fault tolerant it can survive a disk crash.
- It can be faster for disk-intensive applications.
It's the downsides that matter to me:
- You need more disks.
- Setup and configuration is demanding.
- Repair and recovery can be a huge challenge.
It is rare for owners of a RAID array to check in advance how they would recover from a disaster, e.g. by artificially damaging the boot sector of one of the disks. It's like the fire brigade having some fancy fire fighting equipment but never testing it. Creating/restoring a partition image would be far easier.
The experts in the File Services and Storage Forum might have some useful suggestions for you:
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en/winserverfiles/threads
Continue reading...
