Advice on Vista

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Kevin

I know this is an XP group but I wanted to ask here since I am a current XP
user.

Is this a good time to upgrade to Vista?
Do you think it's still too early, you know, Java, Active X, Hardware
problems etc.?

Thanks
 
Kevin wrote:
> I know this is an XP group but I wanted to ask here since I am a
> current XP user.
>
> Is this a good time to upgrade to Vista?
> Do you think it's still too early, you know, Java, Active X,
> Hardware problems etc.?

All that depends on you, your needs and your hardware/software.

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MS-MVP
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Kevin wrote:
>
> I know this is an XP group but I wanted to ask here since I am a current XP
> user.
>
> Is this a good time to upgrade to Vista?

Best to wait intil Vista2, or in you want to use a new game that
requires Vista and DirectX10.

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"Kevin" wrote in message
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>
> Is this a good time to upgrade to Vista?
> Do you think it's still too early, you know, Java, Active X, Hardware
> problems etc.?


So just why do YOU think that you need to "upgrade" to Vista?
 
Vanguard wrote:
>
> "Kevin" wrote in message
> news:6liki.37434$YL5.33436@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
> >
> > Is this a good time to upgrade to Vista?
> > Do you think it's still too early, you know, Java, Active X, Hardware
> > problems etc.?
>
> So just why do YOU think that you need to "upgrade" to Vista?

One only needs to upgrade to the newest MS OS if the programs they want
to use require it.


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"Kevin" <Y @ Y .com> wrote in message
news:6liki.37434$YL5.33436@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
>I know this is an XP group but I wanted to ask here since I am a current XP
>user.
>
> Is this a good time to upgrade to Vista?
> Do you think it's still too early, you know, Java, Active X, Hardware
> problems etc.?
>
> Thanks
>
 
Only if you absolutely NEED it or have to support it.
I have used Vista since before they changed the name; Beta, RC and RTM
versions.
I have Ultimate on one PC out of 11 in my house... and on zero of 250 PCs at
work.
It works fine for me (on a PC built just for Vista, with all compatible
hardware), but I don't like the interface or the AOL style "let us protect
you from yourself" User Access Control (UAC) interruptions.
If you turn off UAC, it breaks other things. To me, that was a BIG MISTAKE!!
by MS.

They did the same garbage in Vista as in IE7; reduced the ability to
customize and force hacks & third party software to make it even remotely
resemble something I want to use on a daily basis.
Maybe you like Tabs, I don't.
I uninstalled Tabworks from W3.1 and haven't looked back, why would MS bring
something like that back now?
Firefox envy? I turn their tabs off too.
The 'ribbon' in Office should be woven into a rope & used to hang the
programmers.

After seeing what MS released to manufacturing, I decided to extend the
replacement cycle of the PCs on our network at least one additional year to
avoid Vista in it's present form.
I have converted most of the P3/NT4/W2K machines to Linux. The P4s that came
with XP will continue to use it.
If MS doesn't do a major 'fix' of Vista, the P4s will stay online as Linux
machines and no Vista systems will be added.

Those are my opinions; others seem to be in love with Vista and sing it's
praises.
I'm happy for those who like Vista; but personally disappointed with what MS
claims is the future of computing.
I've seen a lot of changes since I started computing in 1970. Almost all of
them I could see the improvements & reasoning behind them.
Change is a fact of life in all aspects of life, but there needs to be a
value to changes in software.
With Vista, all I see is eye candy & a 'you can't/don't want to do that'
interface.
AOL grew to be pretty big doing that with their software, but as users
matured, they moved away from it in droves.
Why MS decided to follow that path is a mystery to me.
I think they missed their foot and shot themselves in the head with this pig
they call Vista.

"Kevin" <Y @ Y .com> wrote in message
news:6liki.37434$YL5.33436@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
>I know this is an XP group but I wanted to ask here since I am a current XP
>user.
>
> Is this a good time to upgrade to Vista?
> Do you think it's still too early, you know, Java, Active X, Hardware
> problems etc.?
>
> Thanks
>
 
On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 03:55:46 GMT, "Kevin" <Y @ Y .com> wrote:

>I know this is an XP group but I wanted to ask here since I am a current XP
>user.
>
>Is this a good time to upgrade to Vista?

No.

>Do you think it's still too early, you know, Java, Active X, Hardware
>problems etc.?

Wait at least until the next major service pack is released. But, my
personal preference is not to install Vista at all, as there are few
benefits for an expensive upgrade. Some components may not work.
Besides, who really wants to slow their machine down?
 
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 03:34:28 -0600, "Not Me" <cargod01@bresnan.net>
wrote:

>AOL grew to be pretty big doing that with their software, but as users
>matured, they moved away from it in droves.
>Why MS decided to follow that path is a mystery to me.
>I think they missed their foot and shot themselves in the head with this pig
>they call Vista.

MS just doesn't get it. They keep trying to dumb down the desktop
software. But, the people who didn't get it before still don't get it.
The people who did get it are just getting aggravated at how difficult
it is to do anything with each new release.

Oh that... and they need to sell new software, whether or not there's
a need for new software. Lest we forget, they also have a quest
underway to dominate a lot more than the software industry, and things
like Vista's entertainment-ware are part of that evolutionary plan.
 
Kevin wrote:
> I know this is an XP group but I wanted to ask here since I am a current XP
> user.
>
> Is this a good time to upgrade to Vista?


Why? Just to have the "newest and shiniest OS?" If your current
operating system is meeting all of your computing needs, there's no real
reason to change your operating system.


> Do you think it's still too early, you know, Java, Active X, Hardware
> problems etc.?
>


How old is the computer you're thinking of upgrading? Have you run
Vista's Upgrade Adviser to get a feel (it's not 100% foolproof) for
what, if anything, will need to be done to get Vista to run on the system?


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Kevin wrote:
> I know this is an XP group but I wanted to ask here since I am a
> current XP user.
>
> Is this a good time to upgrade to Vista?
> Do you think it's still too early, you know, Java, Active X, Hardware
> problems etc.?
>

From my perspective, NOW is an excellent time for everyone to upgrade to
Vista.

The enhanced security features may protect me from nastiness on your
machine.
 
"Kevin" <Y @ Y .com> wrote in message
news:6liki.37434$YL5.33436@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
>I know this is an XP group but I wanted to ask here since I am a current XP
>user.
>
> Is this a good time to upgrade to Vista?
> Do you think it's still too early, you know, Java, Active X, Hardware
> problems etc.?

We bought a new laptop for one of our sales consultants. I spec'd it so it
should have been the fastest laptop in our company ... but I made the
mistake of specifying vista rather than xp. The result is that it has a
super hardware spec but crawls ...

So, if you want your pc to run slower than it does now, then yes its a good
time to upgrade to vista. Frankly other than a new look interface (some of
which is nice) it sucks compared to XP. Sorry Microsoft.
--
Brian Cryer
www.cryer.co.uk/brian
 
It will help your decision if you run the Vista Upgrade Advisor. Run it
when all your computer gadgets are powered. It will report on whether your
peripherals and programs can handle Vista. In my case my scanner won't work
in Vista and my media card would need to be upgraded. See

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/buyorupgrade/upgradeadvisor.mspx

"Kevin" <Y @ Y .com> wrote in message
news:6liki.37434$YL5.33436@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
>I know this is an XP group but I wanted to ask here since I am a current XP
>user.
>
> Is this a good time to upgrade to Vista?
> Do you think it's still too early, you know, Java, Active X, Hardware
> problems etc.?
>
> Thanks
>
 
"HeyBub" <heybub@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Kevin wrote:
>> I know this is an XP group but I wanted to ask here since I
>> am a
>> current XP user.
>>
>> Is this a good time to upgrade to Vista?
>> Do you think it's still too early, you know, Java, Active X,
>> Hardware
>> problems etc.?
>>
>
> From my perspective, NOW is an excellent time for everyone to
> upgrade to Vista.
>
> The enhanced security features may protect me from nastiness
> on your machine.
>
I would be just as happy if "they" reverted to DOS.
-
Doug W.
-
 
On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 03:55:46 GMT, "Kevin" <Y @ Y .com> wrote:

> I know this is an XP group but I wanted to ask here since I am a current XP
> user.
>
> Is this a good time to upgrade to Vista?
> Do you think it's still too early, you know, Java, Active X, Hardware
> problems etc.?



I'm sure you'll get a lot of answers to this question, and they won't
all be the same. Here's my view:

First, note that I use Vista on my main machine, and I'm very happy
with it. No, I don't think it's too early, and I don't think there are
many problems with it.

Second, if you were contemplating buying a new machine and asking
whether to get Vista or XP on it, I would unhesitatingly reply
"Vista."

But regarding upgrading, my view is that you're going about this
backward. A change of operating system should be driven by need, not
just because there is a new version available. Are you having a
problem with Windows XP that you expect Vista to solve? Do you have or
expect to get new hardware or software that is supported in Vista, but
not in XP? Is there some new feature in Vista that you need or yearn
for? Does your job require you have skills in Vista? Are you a
computer hobbyist who enjoys playing with whatever is newest?

If the answer to one or more of those questions is yes (and your
hardware is adequate for Vista), then you should get Vista. Otherwise
most people should stick with what they have. There is *always* a
learning curve and a potential for problems when you take a step as
big as this one, regardless of how wonderful whatever you're
contemplating moving to is. Sooner or later you'll have to upgrade (to
XP or its successor) because you'll want support for hardware or
software that you can't get in Vista, but don't rush it.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
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Doug W. wrote:

>
> "HeyBub" <heybub@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:e9u%23FMkwHHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>
>> Kevin wrote:
>>
>>> I know this is an XP group but I wanted to ask here since I am a
>>> current XP user.
>>>
>>> Is this a good time to upgrade to Vista?
>>> Do you think it's still too early, you know, Java, Active X, Hardware
>>> problems etc.?
>>>
>>
>> From my perspective, NOW is an excellent time for everyone to upgrade
>> to Vista.
>>
>> The enhanced security features may protect me from nastiness on your
>> machine.
>>
> I would be just as happy if "they" reverted to DOS.
> -
> Doug W.
> -
>

As long as it isn't Version 4!
 
On 7/9/2007 11:41 AM On a whim, Ken Blake, MVP pounded out on the keyboard

> On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 03:55:46 GMT, "Kevin" <Y @ Y .com> wrote:
>
>> I know this is an XP group but I wanted to ask here since I am a current XP
>> user.
>>
>> Is this a good time to upgrade to Vista?
>> Do you think it's still too early, you know, Java, Active X, Hardware
>> problems etc.?
>
>
>
> I'm sure you'll get a lot of answers to this question, and they won't
> all be the same. Here's my view:
>
> First, note that I use Vista on my main machine, and I'm very happy
> with it. No, I don't think it's too early, and I don't think there are
> many problems with it.
>
> Second, if you were contemplating buying a new machine and asking
> whether to get Vista or XP on it, I would unhesitatingly reply
> "Vista."
>
> But regarding upgrading, my view is that you're going about this
> backward. A change of operating system should be driven by need, not
> just because there is a new version available. Are you having a
> problem with Windows XP that you expect Vista to solve? Do you have or
> expect to get new hardware or software that is supported in Vista, but
> not in XP? Is there some new feature in Vista that you need or yearn
> for? Does your job require you have skills in Vista? Are you a
> computer hobbyist who enjoys playing with whatever is newest?
>
> If the answer to one or more of those questions is yes (and your
> hardware is adequate for Vista), then you should get Vista. Otherwise
> most people should stick with what they have. There is *always* a
> learning curve and a potential for problems when you take a step as
> big as this one, regardless of how wonderful whatever you're
> contemplating moving to is. Sooner or later you'll have to upgrade (to
> XP or its successor) because you'll want support for hardware or
> software that you can't get in Vista, but don't rush it.
>

Excellent advice Ken (but isn't your last sentence backwards?). And I
could only say to Kevin in addition, is if you do decide to go with
Vista, beforehand make sure all your apps and peripherals will work.
Otherwise you may also be paying for upgrades you hadn't counted on, and
possibly even new hardware.

--
Terry R.

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On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 12:19:03 -0700, "Terry R." <F1ComNOSPAM@pobox.com>
wrote:

> On 7/9/2007 11:41 AM On a whim, Ken Blake, MVP pounded out on the keyboard
>
> > On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 03:55:46 GMT, "Kevin" <Y @ Y .com> wrote:
> >
> >> I know this is an XP group but I wanted to ask here since I am a current XP
> >> user.
> >>
> >> Is this a good time to upgrade to Vista?
> >> Do you think it's still too early, you know, Java, Active X, Hardware
> >> problems etc.?
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm sure you'll get a lot of answers to this question, and they won't
> > all be the same. Here's my view:
> >
> > First, note that I use Vista on my main machine, and I'm very happy
> > with it. No, I don't think it's too early, and I don't think there are
> > many problems with it.
> >
> > Second, if you were contemplating buying a new machine and asking
> > whether to get Vista or XP on it, I would unhesitatingly reply
> > "Vista."
> >
> > But regarding upgrading, my view is that you're going about this
> > backward. A change of operating system should be driven by need, not
> > just because there is a new version available. Are you having a
> > problem with Windows XP that you expect Vista to solve? Do you have or
> > expect to get new hardware or software that is supported in Vista, but
> > not in XP? Is there some new feature in Vista that you need or yearn
> > for? Does your job require you have skills in Vista? Are you a
> > computer hobbyist who enjoys playing with whatever is newest?
> >
> > If the answer to one or more of those questions is yes (and your
> > hardware is adequate for Vista), then you should get Vista. Otherwise
> > most people should stick with what they have. There is *always* a
> > learning curve and a potential for problems when you take a step as
> > big as this one, regardless of how wonderful whatever you're
> > contemplating moving to is. Sooner or later you'll have to upgrade (to
> > XP or its successor) because you'll want support for hardware or
> > software that you can't get in Vista, but don't rush it.
> >
>
> Excellent advice Ken (but isn't your last sentence backwards?).


Yes, sorry. Thanks for the correction (and the kind words).


> And I
> could only say to Kevin in addition, is if you do decide to go with
> Vista, beforehand make sure all your apps and peripherals will work.
> Otherwise you may also be paying for upgrades you hadn't counted on, and
> possibly even new hardware.


Yes, I completely agree.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
Please Reply to the Newsgroup
 
"Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Doug W. wrote:
>
>>
>> "HeyBub" <heybub@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:e9u%23FMkwHHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>
>>> Kevin wrote:
>>>
>>>> I know this is an XP group but I wanted to ask here since I
>>>> am a
>>>> current XP user.
>>>>
>>>> Is this a good time to upgrade to Vista?
>>>> Do you think it's still too early, you know, Java, Active
>>>> X, Hardware
>>>> problems etc.?
>>>>
>>>
>>> From my perspective, NOW is an excellent time for everyone
>>> to upgrade to Vista.
>>>
>>> The enhanced security features may protect me from nastiness
>>> on your machine.
>>>
>> I would be just as happy if "they" reverted to DOS.
>> -
>> Doug W.
>> -
>>
>
> As long as it isn't Version 4!
-
Version 6.1 was okay.

>
 
"Plato" wrote in message news:4691ce1a$0$286$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com...
>
> Vanguard wrote:
>>
>> "Kevin" wrote in message
>> news:6liki.37434$YL5.33436@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
>> >
>> > Is this a good time to upgrade to Vista?
>> > Do you think it's still too early, you know, Java, Active X,
>> > Hardware
>> > problems etc.?
>>
>> So just why do YOU think that you need to "upgrade" to Vista?
>
> One only needs to upgrade to the newest MS OS if the programs they
> want
> to use require it.


Some of which, like games (Shadowrun and Halo 2), have been hacked to
NOT demand DX10 (which is only in Vista) so they will run under DX9 on
Windows XP. I can see some low-level utilities (file system, hardware)
requiring a specific OS version but no one buys an OS because of a
utility program. So what killer apps are forcing users to go to Vista?
 
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